Let’s hear what you have to say about tonight’s debate! It ought to be entertaining. I am really curious to see how Donald Trump behaves in an environment he cannot control and he can’t bully anyone who disagrees with him.
His head could explode.
So what do you think?
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Except for liberals being foolish.
@Redteam: Exactly Repub Primary winner—I got Cruz.–who you got? For $100
I got no idea who will win Dem . nom or POTUS though at this point I lean towards Cruz for POTUS–you wanna pick someone for $100 go right ahead. Either way–you’re up.
@Rich Wheeler: Come back when you’ve got a Dim. anyone can pick Repub’s. You’re the Dim, pick your Dim.
I think you don’t have a clue. You didn’t even know Hillary has dropped out.
@Redteam:
Who is your pick for YOUR party’s nom? So far you haven’t been able to pick anything–how come–are you that clueless
Are you afraid to back the “narcissistic blowhard” against Cruz?
@Rich Wheeler:
Why would I answer a question that you won’t answer?
Are you afraid to back the “narcissistic blowhard” against Sanders?
Oh, I already did. Of course I can’t reveal who I’ve picked because then you would pick the same one and we would have to split the bet, So after you pick for Potus, I’ll give my pick.
Comprende’?
@Redteam: I’ve already told you I wouldn’t pick the narcissistic blowhard Trump against anyone. He’s all yours RT. You afraid to pick him against Cruz.?
Split bets.–What’s that?
@Rich Wheeler: So your Dim pick for Prez is?
@Redteam:
I suppose we have take Rich’s refusal to name a Democrat, as a sign that he too recognizes that his party has no viable candidate who could win both the Democrat primary and the Presidential Election..
@Redteam: So far I’m the only one who has made ANY pick— Cruz. for Repub nom.
Based on Ditto’s thinking you must think Repubs are gonna lose.
@Ditto: I don’t currently have a pick for POTUS. How bout you? You got a pick for Repub. nom.?
To be clear if Sanders faced Trump–highly unlikely–SINCE neither will win nom–Sanders wins.
@Ditto: Well, his no. 1 pick, Shrillary is doomed. She’s going to spend her time staying out of the hoosegow. He knows his socialist buddy Sanders doesn’t have a chance, so he’s left with Feauxchahontas Warren as the only one running. He doesn’t want to pick her so he’s conceding.
@Rich Wheeler: Sorry that’s not a legal pick, Socialists only get to pick for their team.
@Rich Wheeler: Actually no, you challenged me to make a bet. I agreed. that means since you made the challenge you have to make the first pick. You may pick the Potus position or the Dim/Socialsist nom. You can’t pick on the Repub side, unless you picking Potus.
@Rich Wheeler:
I never pick this early in the campaign and there’s no sensible reason why I should. They’ve only had the first of nine debates (although the first wasn’t really a debate. The candidates are supposed to debate each other not the moderators.)
Finally you answer my question. Why was that so hard for you? If it came down to a choice between Sanders and Trump, IMO Trump would win. I think you are seriously underestimating Trump, who is still far ahead of the other Republican candidates.
Bernie has strong support from the radical socialist left, but he’s not going to win without moderate support, and moderate voters and RINO Republicans are not going to go for him. Nor are illegal immigration supporting Hispanics going to support Sanders because he also wants to close the border.
Trump’s immigration stance has gained support of Republicans, Independents and even some Democrats. The majority of voters detest Washington establishment politicians, and there is strong support amongst voters (including rule of law immigrants who are now naturalized citizens,) for exactly the kind of immigration plan Donald has put forth. Even now, Trump has forced the other Republican candidates to reconsider their stances on Immigration. If Trump continues to come up with solid plans while other candidates only later echo “me too.” Trump will be seen by more of the public as the leader.
@Redteam: FYI Warren’s not running. Try to keep up. Obviously you got no clue when it comes to politics–no picks.
You wanna switch to baseball or football? Any picks there?
@Rich Wheeler:
you said that with a straight face? You’ve got a pick for Dim nom? when are you gonna do the ‘reveal’?
So what is your ‘clue’? Surely you have one?
@Rich Wheeler:
Doesn’t seem to matter to you whether someone is running or not. You’re still trying to pick Shrillary and I keep telling you she has dropped out. While she has told the ‘insiders’ she has not said it to the public so that her fund raising will continue. But: Done Deal.
@Ditto: As suggested in Curt’s post, Cruz is the Conservative and Donald is merely a self promoting “narcissistic blowhard.” He shows up every 4 years with the same basic sctick. He won’t expand much from the hard right tea partiers that currently back him. When Conservatives see him go head to head with Cruz many will switch allegiance. Trump is unelectable in the general election and the Republican Party knows this. I see Rubio as a moderate who will compete with Cruz. Dr. Carson, another guy who would compare well with Trump, should finish strong.
Trump has pushed Bush and early favorite Walker into oblivion–Perry as well.
Seems RT is just too meek to pick The Donald. I said long ago I wasn’t voting for HRC but RT seems to have a crush on her– he can’t stop talking about her.
@Rich Wheeler:
He’s also not a natural born citizen and I will not make a pick on someone that is not eligible.
Here’s my take: He’s saying what the people want to hear. As long as he keeps that up, he’ll do well. If he starts to become a ‘politician’ he’ll start to lose support. Is there some part of his message you disagree with? What?
But anyhow, since you are our resident animal rights, gay rights, abortion rights, socialists rights advocate, tell us which of the Dims you think will get all that done for you.
@Redteam: I don’t agree with Donald on much of anything–to be fair I didn’t like him when he was a Dem.. either.–generally dislike narcissistic blowhards no matter their Party or their message.
For the record I’m very much pro-life for human animals.
@Rich Wheeler:
But you’re not able to actually say what he is for that you’re against. The border fence? More jobs for Americans?
So that means you didn’t care for bill clinton(resident rapist) and don’t like Christie (i agree on him)
Parsing your words again, eh. We know you don’t consider babies to be human ‘yet’.
@Redteam: Everyone thinks babies are human RT–I am absolutely for protection of the sentient fetus.
I evolved on this after seeing the videos—same as I did after seeing “Farm To Fridge” and ‘Earthlings” Shine the light on all atrocities That’s why we show em to tens of thousands of young people –good guys got nothing to hide..
We fight ag gag laws that attempt to stop our undercover filming in factory farms.
@Rich Wheeler:
Not true. Obama voted several times in the ILL legislature to allow babies born alive to be thrown into the garbage can with no effort or intent to save their lives. Does that sound like something a normal person would do to a ‘human’?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-obama-vote-to-deny-rights-to-infant-abortion-survivors/2012/09/07/9852895a-f87d-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_blog.html
@Redteam: Did you read the whole thing–awful lot of pinochios(SIC) in there.
@Rich Wheeler:
Just curious, what states or jurisdictions have laws that attempt to stop filming in factory farms?
Can you be specific.
@Redteam: Ag gag laws have been introduced in many states including Idaho,Indiana,Minnesota, Missouri,Nebraska, New Mexico and others–they attempt to prevent these undercover videos citing privacy rights– Planned Parenthood will try the same tactics–I’d oppose them
@Rich Wheeler:
Why are you p*ssy footing around the issue. What states ‘have’ a law?
I did and even if they doubled the length of the story, it doesn’t change the fact that he voted 4 times to allow them to kill born alive babies. Does it? If so, cite the relevant content.
@Redteam: Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Utah, Wyoming..
What’s your point? Do you believe undercover videos should be legal or not. Do you think Planned Parenthood should be able to block the undercover videos I certainly don’t.
@Rich Wheeler:
As long as they are legal and show the truth. Any video that is produced that is deliberately altered to show an ‘untruthful’ situation should be punishable for the crime it commits. If a company has a sign posted that does not allow visitors or persons entering for any unauthorized reason, then the person can be charged with criminal trespass. The effort of any ‘civilian’ to be in violation a law themself to try to prove someone else to be in violation of a law should be punishable for whatever law they may violate.
What I’m saying, in English is, your desire to prove someone else is breaking a law does not entitle you to break a law. Can a company prohibit cameras on their property? absolutely. Assuming you have the higher moral ground is not a legal reason to violate a law.
@Rich Wheeler:
I haven’t paid a lot of attention to the planned parenthood videos, but from what I’ve seen, they do not seem to violate any laws as in, they are not made on company property, there are no signs prohibiting them filming what is taking place, etc.
Now if the person doing the filming goes into an office of a person with a sign posted prohibiting unauthorized filming, then I’m guessing they would be breaking a law. I’m not for persons determining which laws they choose to obey or violate.
@Redteam: So you are against whistle blowers—even if the videos are unaltered depictions of the truth.
I understand your position but disagree. When atrocities are committed a light needs to be shined on them. Planned Parenthood videos are an example–if they are true and unaltered.
In the case of “Farm To Fridge” videos taken by employees of the slaughterhouses.
@Rich Wheeler:
Pennsylvania and South Carolina DO NOT have ag gag laws.
Utah and Wyoming do have but only are effective on private property where it is prohibited. (I assume you believe persons should have control over ‘private property’ is that correct?)
@Rich Wheeler: Planned Parenthood says the videos were obtained illegally and altered and wants them turned over to Congress.
I trust you’ll be consistent on this..
I believe employees can film atrocities on private property and whistleblow on illegalities that are occurring SHINE THE LIGHT
@Rich Wheeler: .
is that an atrocity in the eye of the beholder or as defined by a law?
No, I’m not against whistle blowers if they are exposing illegal activities(as defined by a law) So if there is something that violates a law, then it is ok to take a picture of it (as long as the sole intent of the photo is to show the law violation). The fact that you state it as “unaltered depictions of the truth” is not significant unless it is also ‘illegal’, by law.
If the intent is to take a picture of something that is entirely legal, but you just don’t like it, then NO you do not have the right to do that. I suspect that in many of these cases the slaughterhouse is not breaking a law, just doing something that someone doesn’t agree with. I think that would come under ‘vigilante justice’ and I think that is likely illegal in most cases.
@Redteam: Agree and I assure you slaughter house owners and employees have been fined and gone to jail when they have broken the law.As it should be
And of course the laws are getting stricter.
I’ll be interested to see how Planned Parenthood plays out.
@rich wheeler:
The burden would be on Planned Parenthood to prove they were obtained illegally and altered. As I’ve said, what I’ve seen seems to indicate that most of them were not taken on ‘private property’. some were in restaurants. Some states have laws that prohibit recording conversations without the knowledge of the person being recorded. Some states do not. In many cases, you can’t violate a law to show that someone else is violating a law.
Key word there ‘illegalities’ not ‘atrocities’, some of which may be legal.
Rich, question for ‘do gooders’ to consider.
If you go onto a person’s private property, which is clearly labeled as “private property-no trespassing’ and make a video of something you ‘think is a atrocity’ but is clearly not illegal, and as a result you bring a lot of bad publicity and actually damage the person’s reputation and/ or business. Should you be civilly and / or criminally liable?
@rich wheeler:
Publicity companies must not be doing a good job on this, I haven’t heard of any of these type cases.
@Redteam:
Video footage shot secretly at a Texas farm shows workers bashing in the skulls of sick and injured calves with pickaxes and hammers, burning calves and dragging calves by their ears.
Chicago-based group Mercy For Animals said an employee at E6 Cattle Co. in Hart, Texas, recorded the footage it released Wednesday. The employee quit after obtaining the video and apparently did not report the abuse to local authorities or to the owner of the feeding operation.
The Mercy for Animals group did not report the activity they were recording to stop the suffering, but rather gathered several days of material to prepare their video released this week. This seems at odds with their mission statement which says that they believe that “non-human animals are irreplaceable individuals with morally significant interests and hence rights.”
http://www.oklahomafarmreport.com/wire/news/2011/04/00161_CalfBashingReact04212011_053602.php?amp
Mercy For Animals did the same thing in another state, filming a farm employee abusing animals in a manner that violated the law, but they did not report the abuse to either farm management, the Humane Society or any law enforcement agency. Seems the MFA goons wanted the abuse to continue so they could continue filming for their “Farm to Fridge” video.
When anyone sees the illegal abuse of an animal, it is our responsibility to report it. MFA let it continue to be able to gather film for their propaganda video. You have to wonder if Rich approves such tactics, that of allowing animals to suffer, just to be able to produce an agenda driven video.
@retire05:
Good question for Rich. The persons that films the brutality to the animals and did not report it is guilty of failure to report illegal activities, in fact, actually participating in the act. MFA had/has knowledge of illegal acts taking place and do not report them to proper authorities. So, should the individuals and MFA be prosecuted ? or are some individuals and organizations above the law?
@Redteam: I’ve noticed You have a tendency to hear and see only what you want. Animal rights groups have sent many to jail for the type of atrocities O5 describes..Good for them. These undercover people are at risk and in my opinion perform heroically.
O5 Hope you and others will go to sites like MFA and HSUS and see ALL they do for the animals we all profess to love Thanks
Not only did these undercover people have to wait they had to participate for a period of time so they could get the videos and send these SOBS to jail . I’ve met these undercover guys AND gals–think they are heros. Some are scarred by what they’ve seen and yes participated in for the greater good–slaughter houses have been shut down Owners have been jailed–It’s not gonna stop
If slaughter houses had glass walls they’d all be shut down.
@Rich Wheeler:
Well, Rich, you can blow smoke and spray perfume on a pile of sh*t but that won’t change what it is. There is NO period time that I would participate in hitting animals in the head with a pick axe just to get a video of it. Kinda puts them in the “in it for the money’ category.
Can anyone imagine how f–ed up the workers and owners of these places must be? God have mercy on these poor bastards What a way to live
@Rich Wheeler:
So you are saying that not only did they fail to report abuse to the proper authorities, they also participated in that abuse for the purpose of exposing abuse?
Really, Rich? You buy that lame excuse? Are you telling me if you saw a neighbor abusing his child you would participate in that abuse, continuing the pain, in order to film it?
What a load of horseshit.
@Rich Wheeler:
Rich do you have some recent numbers showing that the slaughtering of animals in the US is way down? I’ve heard that many chickens are now being slaughtered in China instead of here. I’m sure the government over there is a lot more concerned about the welfare of animals than they are here in the US. That Chinese government, admittedly not very humane to humans do worry about how well the animals shipped from the US are cared for. Right?
@Redteam:
BINGO!!!
How about $3,000,000.00 in 2013 alone?
@retire05:
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Amen 05, can’t say they didn’t have a motive, such as ‘raising more money for Runkle’.
Thanks 05 and RT Keep going to MFA I appreciate it, Yeah these undercover folks are making 10 bucks an hour big money Great people.
If slaughter houses had glass walls they’d cease to exist.
You two gonna join me in picking Ted Cruz.
@Rich Wheeler:
Yes, if they ever take that labeling off the beef products for sale, I’m sure people will stop buying.
Recent label. 100% USDA approved beef. From slaughterhouses made with walls you can’t see thru. Absolutely no glass walled rooms used in processing this meat.
I’m picking Bernie,
@Rich Wheeler:
What are you picking Cruz for? you need to be specific.
@Redteam:Bernie for what? Be specific