Reverend Wayne Perryman has been busy promoting his new book, Whites, Blacks and Racist Democrats
A former fetus, the “wordsmith from nantucket” was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968. Adopted at birth, wordsmith grew up a military brat. He achieved his B.A. in English from the University of California, Los Angeles (graduating in the top 97% of his class), where he also competed rings for the UCLA mens gymnastics team. The events of 9/11 woke him from his political slumber and malaise. Currently a personal trainer and gymnastics coach.
The wordsmith has never been to Nantucket.
Wow – That just made my day.
Awesome!
Very good. I want his books.
That is a man that knows his history….I will have to see about getting his books very soon
what a wonderful way to start my day, I will post this video also.
Truely wonderful like a refreshing breeze.
Thank you, Word! Now, I have two more books to read. I hope I am able to meet the Reverend Perryman some day.
As a small boy, I listened to my grandmother tell me in hushed tones, as if the wrong people might overhear her, of how members of her family who worked on the Underground Railroad, an entire family group, had been killed with axes in their home on their farm one night near the Kentucky Tennessee border. The murders took place 25 years before her birth and she was still frightened of revenge as an elderly adult. I am sure she wanted me to know the story so that the oral history of our family would be preserved; but the fear and the enormity of the situation was passed on, so that now 60 years later, that former little boy has only recently begun to tell his children and grandchildren the story of the brutal murders on the Underground Railroad. Surely, the fear will be lost from my voice; however, the tragic and symbolic significance will hopefully live on for a few more generations.
In my opinion, Obama and his race baiters, exploit and marginalize the sacrifices of countless people who risked everything and sometimes died for the freedom of others. They are little more than pimps who have no respect for the true unknown heroes of racial equality; who create racial strife to further their personal political agendas and to quench their insatiable greed, these racial pimps do major damage to this country and its heritage by leading astray those of limited intellectual resources, those who are easily degraded and debauched into seeing injustice where there is none. For that, these race pimps’ behavior borders on criminal; especially while they espouse a saintly and sanctimonious piety that makes their charade even more disgusting to those who see through their licentious and dissolute depravity.
If the race-baiter’s and hustlers actually worked to achieve what they claim to want, they’d be out of their million-dollar jobs.
THAT’S why they must change history, and keep the wounds open, even if it means new cuts.
GREAT FIND AND FANTASTIC POST – THANK YOU!
Had he thrown in that there were black slaveholders in the New Orelans area during the War between the States that volunteered to fight for the South would have been icing on an already great cake.
Lol…this post almost didn’t get made, since I was too lazy to add any commentary of my own, and figured most people are already familiar with Wayne Perryman. One of his other books, Unfounded Loyalty, seemed hard to find and expensive not too long ago; I assumed it was out of print, but notice it’s come down in price, offered through his website.
Also note this partial list of Democratic Party history of racism and where Republicans stood as champions in the civil rights struggle.
Of course, neither party is pure on the matter, and people are people; but only one political party has been slandered and smeared with the “racist” label and reworking of history for the last 40 years.
@Skookum: Thanks for sharing that story.
Well, you will be able to add onto the story when you pass it down, mentioning how your grandmother told it to you in “hushed tones”.
This will never be viewed by those that want, and expect something for nothing. This is the truth!
Wordsmith
You might also want to check out who sold the slaves from Africa in the first place. I am not in any way pardoning those who bought the slaves on our side of the Atlantic, but I believe it is widely thought of, especially within the black community that slaves were rounded up by whites, sold by whites and only owned by whites. That assumption and belief by the black community is solely due to the lack of education, which the good Rev. Perryman so rightly condemns.
Some quick hits:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr4.html
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/slavetrade.htm
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/slav/hd_slav.htm
http://www.africaeconomicanalysis.org/articles/38/1/Slave-trade-a-root-of-contemporary-African-Crisis/Page1.html
An excerpt from that last one:
If we were to use the race baiters version of events and outlook on things, only the whites, and all whites at that, were responsible for slavery and subsequent racism, yet, knowing about the history of slavery, we can see that the blame goes far beyond than a simple color.
I’m not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but today I saw an ad for an upcoming series on the history channel. It was about the Nazis. I have come to the realization that the democracts are more like Nazis than originally thought. They want the conservatives annihilated by any means possible so they can completely take over with no dissention. Cue light bulb!
Some of you may think this is far-fetched, but look what is happening on a daily basis. Conservatives are being physically attacked, they are being intimidated with vicious emails and voice messages, and are accused of horrendous things that are outright lies. America needs to wake up before it is too late, and we are going to be forced to live in fear more so than we already do.
Madalyn
Madalyn, you’re not the only one who has come to this train of thought. Hard left supporters of Obama, and some local residents here and where I live, encourage and support the full idea of politicaly silencing all form of opposition be it though physical force or though more subtle means (such as healthcare aka Soviet style solutions).
Ever since my Highschool years, I have seen fellow students taught the concept of “Bill Clinton cool, Republicans and Conservatives bad.” Just for expressing conservative ideals in my school, I was shut down as a Pariah and even physicaly abused and verbaly assaulted for it. Yet they claim themselves enlightened?
BRILLIANT! I can’t wait for this book to come out!
friggin awesome… I JUST ORDERED HIS BOOK!
This was so good, I OT-ed ALL THESE FORUMS to link here:
Ace of Spades HQ
Andrew B’s
-Big Government
-Big Hollywood
-Big Journalism
IHateTheMedia(dotcom)
Michelle(RPbuh)Malkin -(rosepetals, ok?)
and Pajamas Media.
No, no, you don’t have to send me a check. But thanks anyway! This is near and dear to my heart, this issue. The greatest deception ever pulled on a group of people. Started in 1963-64, with the twin abominations:
A: The assassination of JFK by a leftie communist Russian citizen which the VERY NEXT DAY was cast by the media and the Atty General of the US as a racial hatecrime, and this meme was pushed by every lefty avenue since, utterly DELETING the truth of Oswald from history. (I went to a 80% black school, I learned all the stuff Rev. Perryman is talking about WAY THE HELL AFTER SCHOOL, and ABSOLUTELY NONE OF IT in school.)
B: Goldwater (R) being against the CRA of 1964 while being the RNC candidate for president, DESPITE THAT MOST REPUBS WERE FOR IT, and MOST DEMS WERE AGAINST IT, this man made it possible for the dems to completely switch the black public’s view.
The Dept. of Education is the USSR’s greatest coup.
Thanks, Taqiyyotomist.
@johngalt #12: Thanks for reminding people.
You should check out this debate I had with Gaffa, beginning around comment #10. Didn’t realize until now that he got in the last word. Now that he’s back, maybe if I have the energy I’ll go back there and address his last reply; although really, we’re pretty much going in circles, there.
Obama said to CNN flunkette Alice Cooper ( I think that is her name?) that while in Ghana, he saw many blacks selling black children, but made no comment about this autrocity.
In fact, it may have been a natural thing that blacks use other blacks as slaves in this age.
But we all know Obama is no law scholar, he knows street thug discorse,though.
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Thank the good ole American white men who invented the intertubes and nearly every valuable invention, and for someone of color to notice we haven’t been sitting on our hands.
I knew most of this. Very refreashing to hear. I seek truth wherever I go. That is what I also try to spread and when others try to tell me that I am the racist. I pity them for they are sooooo ignorant of the truth. Spread this around as the truth MUST be told. I gotta go buy a book now.
@Wordsmith
There is a show on NBC that my wife and I watch called “Who Do You Think You Are?” on Fridays. The show traces roots of celebrities. In one episode Emmitt Smith traced roots back to Africa(his ancestors were slaves) and learned of slave trading still going on today. Guess who is doing the selling? That’s right. Fellow africans. Gaffa probably didn’t learn in school the fact that most slaves were sold by fellow africans to white or other black slave traders since that convenient fact is left out of the history they teach in today’s revisionist school system. It would be an “Inconvenient Truth” (to steal a title from one of the dimwits) for it to be known that blacks were hating on blacks and still are. The race baiters of today try to keep that info out of the public education so as to be able to further their use of the race card.
As for Gaffa, I don’t expect him to show up here to discuss this, especially when those links I provided were but a very small sample of info across the net.
I think I’m in love… This man is great!
@Madalyn: I have been following the History Channel as well. I have become (I thought I was pretty well educated about WWII) immersed in everything WWII lately; documentaries as well as historical dramas such as the DVD series based on “The Winds of War” and “War and Remembrance” by Herman Wouk. That led me to “Army of Shadows” about the French Resistance…there’s a lot out there. And yes, as Jews were to the Nazi’s, Conservatives are to the Leftists.
On the same topic of racism though…this may not be news to many but it was to me. A few weeks ago, I had to go to San Francisco (I try to avoid it) for a baby shower for my new grandson due this month. I expected most of the people there to be for 0zer0 and pretty much decided I’d have to stay away from politics. I was surprised to say the least when one of the guests, whom I not met before, engaged in a conversation (I asked about his children) with me about their 12 y/o daughter’s education in…Berkeley. They have been there for 11 years and have been trying to sell their house since the beginning of the downturn to get out of PC Berkeley. Dad lost two jobs with the P. O. because of affirmative action; Mom is self employed and struggling with the economy.
When the girl entered a new school this year, her first friend was a black girl in her class. There’s no American History taught in Berkeley (Thomas Jefferson School was changed to Malcolm X), only Ethnic History and even that is made into a hateful attack on whites. One of the first “exercises” the class was engaged in was splitting the students into two groups…White Slave Owners on one side and Black Slaves on the other. You can guess what the indoctrination was…and by the time they were finished, their child’s Black friend wouldn’t have anything to do with her. Soon after, she was walking alone at school when another student came up and hit her…hard. They went to the Principal to demand the offender be disciplined but were told that the “minority child was not to blame for being angry because English was not her first language.” They are waking up the hard way…in the belly of the beast. I was glad they felt I was safe to talk to…they say they can’t open their mouths in their neighborhood or anywhere in public in Berkeley. I always knew it was really bad/sad in the Bay Area but 0zer0 has emboldened the Left to go to extremes even for them. I read Robin of Berkeley on American Thinker who has addressed a lot of the unbelievable PC morons she has to deal with…bad as it sounds written, it’s even worse with someone in person. And, it’s spreading.
I am sorry White America,This guy has to be the most short sighted, ignorant Black Republican to have a forum I have ever heard. While not disputing his facts and also not defending President Obama,to actually say with a straight face that America has never been a racist country because some whites have fought for the rights of slaves is utterly ridiculous, Ask yourself Bloggers who agree or disagree with the good reverend here,Do you TRULY believe that America has never been racist to Black Americans? Ok, now that we have that out of the way. For him to deny what he himself I am sure has witnessed first hand, but turn a blind eye to every black man and woman that ever suffered whether it be from outright racism (KKK, segregation,slavery,etc) or covert racism ( Ghettos,Crack,profiling,etc) Is utterly disgusting for any black person that knows to ever do. While Black people definitely need to take more initiative in uplifting them selves. I cant help but feel that it is designed to be that way, I’ve spent time in the south where in some corners not only do blacks not know the essentials for being successful in our beloved country but also feel as if they are not even suppose to consider being successful in the same way as white America. And blacks across the whole country have actually been known to look down on successful blacks with disdain and jealousy thus the name Uncle Tom and phrase” trying to be white” come from. If white America did not continue to perpetuate these feelings even after slavery was abolished would this even be an issue that still plagues the black community to this day? America decided after slavery that ok we freed these slaves (Due to European pressure,but thats up for debate) but no way are they going to live the same way as us. Why Reverend Perryman that is what you call institutionalized Racism By our beloved America. And are you willing to submit that a country that went to war with itself to keep slavery intact or not,that the losers of said war would not still harbor ill will towards blacks.Reverend Perryman seems to be very astute in his knowledge of history but I believe his use of his knowledge is aimed in the wrong direction,All of these fears of what President Obama is trying to accomplish have NOT been proven as of yet,fears that so far seem drummed up in a RNC and tea party smear campaign. Why is America so impatient with Mr. President’s agenda?We’ve let lesser presidents talk us into what is known now as a falsified war but we are combating a healthcare right for every American?
I can’t help but want to give the president of our great nation the benefit of the doubt and take him for his word, I will continue to do so until he betrays that trust,Something he has yet to do contrary to what FOX news reports. In closing i have a little food for thought fellow bloggers. If Tiger Woods was a Football player with a black wife and all black mistresses. Would it be as big of a story? or a story at all?
@Dwight:
He’s not saying racism itself doesn’t exist (heard him on the air say as much); but that the country itself is no more racist than any other country on the planet. America is not uniquely guilty of slavery and/or racism.
What he is opposed to is the demonization of “white folk” as enemies of blacks. Some people, who never were slaves nor even had slave ancestors in this country, walk around, carrying a chip on their shoulder and perceive victimization and persecution to this day by “white” America. And they are told a lopsided, distorted view of American history that sees our nation founded upon racism, imperialism, and genocide. When asked if the world would have been better off had America never existed, Howard Zinn replied, “Yes.” I believe that indoctrinated view, shared by so many Americans who grew up on the Zinn-Chomsky worldview of American history, damages us every bit as much, and more so, than the belief that America can do no wrong.
I believe that individuals are racists. But the nation as a whole? On policy and legislation issues, the trend throughout American history has trended toward the direction in which we stand today.
You know, you presume much from a 13 minute video excerpt from a lecture. He’s not “denying” atrocities. But he is acknowledging the help of white folk in the fight against racist attitudes; whites who gave their lives in defense of blacks.
Dwight,
It is DEMOCRATS and their Reverends Sharpton-Wright-Jackson race profiteers who perpetuate those feelings of resentment and hatred and scapegoating and victimization. And part of that is by portraying America as a racist country.
Yeah, let’s hear that debate, Dwight.
Dwight, first your analogizing is partisanly flawed (am happy to debate the “falsified war”, OT claim). Opposition to Obama is about his politics. He is the most far-liberal president we have ever had. His skin color, if anything, helped get him elected.
Opposition to healthcare isn’t about “keeping the black man down, sick, and impoverished”.
Food for thought: Is Jesse James black? I didn’t know. Is John Edwards? I didn’t know that.
Yet if Tiger Woods is receiving greater coverage than they, it has nothing to do with his color. Woods is quite simply a HUGE sports celebrity, and household name, which trumps being James being married to a famous actress and a politician who was a presidential candidate. More people know who Tiger Woods is.
Was Tiger Woods a celebrated hero to many Americans? Yes he was; and probably still is. And, dude…it has little to do with his skin complexion. Many blacks look up to him, however, on account of his melanin count.
And they will make excuses on behalf of a murderer like O.J. Simpson…because of being black.
Dwight,
I suggest you read my debate with Gaffa, regarding whether or not America’s founders were a bunch of white racists.
Dwight
While I understand everything you are saying, I would submit that you, yourself, are perpetuating the stereotypes present in today’s society. You may not intend to do it, but by your words, you connect ALL white people with racism towards blacks. The reverend is simply pointing out that the belief among the black race baiters and their complicate media that the race card is acceptable to use to get your way, is wrong and is disingenuous to the history of racism and blacks as a whole in america. None of us here will deny the existence of slavery, white racism groups, nor discrimination, including your described “institutionalized” racism in america. We know it happens. What we will deny is that it is purely and solely the fault of the conservatives, GOP and right-wing of the political spectrum while giving a complete pass to the side that most perpetrated the crimes of racism in our history.
I will repeat: The left has been given a pass on racism in america. Why, you ask? Because for years the one political party that most opposed integration, and civil rights, including voting, for blacks and other minorities was the democrat party. The country as a whole doesn’t desire, or need, a pass on racism or slavery. We recognize a sad chapter in america’s existence, but we won’t be silenced either just because the race card is applied. I submit to you that the worst all of us are continuing to perpetuate on black america the chains of bondage and that they aren’t any different than the black slave masters of africa, willingly placing their brothers and sisters in bondage, but this time to the state. I say that because they have continually done nothing for black america but further the use of the race card to excuse behaviour, and excuse the plight of the inner city dwellers.
The Rev. Perryman is simply reminding people that a major reason that slavery is ended and civil rights are, in fact, a right to black americans as well, is due to whites in america. As for our president, he is no better than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton when it comes to race relations in america. He, and his supporters, play the race card whenever possible to further their own agenda. To me, that is belittling, and condescending to black america and pride itself should be enough to prevent the black man and woman from accepting his “help”. Most, and I only say most because I cannot speak for all, of us here when talking about politics do not place color anywhere in the equation. When we speak of americans, we include all americans, of all color. Why do you think we get so upset at the inferences included in the 2010 census survey asking about color? It is because we consider all citizens of our country to be Americans with no hyphenation. That, to me, is more inclusive and non-discriminatory than to place that hyphenated label to blacks, or hispanics, or asians, or the native americans, or even the separate euro divisions of america.
This president could done a great service to our country by one simple thing and that is the removal of the racial divides in the country, but instead, he only continues the separation of the races by dividing us using the race card. Quite disgusting if you ask me.
Dwight
As for your last question, myself, much like Wordsmith said, looked up to Tiger Woods, and it had nothing whatsoever to do with his race. Being a sometime duffer myself, I longed to be able to hit the golf ball like he does, and admired him for his personal ethics(up to the point of the cheating on the wife, but again, no one is perfect and many otherwise good and great americans fail at portions of life), and I can overlook his personal failures and not demonize him because he was a black man with a white wife. Race has nothing to do with the story. It is due to the greatness of Tiger as a golfer, a man atop the world in his profession that the story got as much publicity.
GOOD MAN! HE SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT HIMSELF!
Mr. Wordsmith
Your first statement is flawed in it’s self the fact that America was ever in a racist state is hypocritical to its existence, remember it was built upon the belief that all men are created equal (except blacks) If America had kept to its word from its inception their would not be the significants of MLK, Jackie Robinson and the other great blacks who challenged the racist system in place in America.
As far as those so called lopsided views that you say the new to America blacks receive, Mr Wordsmith, believe it or not they are true. Once we can look ourselves in the mirror and agree that yes we are the greatest country in the world but the way we got there was not true to our ideals,the better off we will be as far as race relations are concerned.
Policy and Legislation Of course is not the end all be all of institutionalized racism, What blacks in our country have witnessed is the Americans in power (Whites) with a perceived deservedness of more rights than those not in power (Blacks) through out the course of history.
As a history buff myself, I am not denying the fact that many whites championed the black cause through out the history of the United States but, the shame of our country is that they had to do it at all, the worst thing I believe we can do is deny our history for we will be doomed to repeat it.
While not a fan of Rev Sharpton,Rev Jackson or Rev Wright, ask yourself would they exist if they were not deemed necessary by someone who felt the same way they do because at some point in time they experienced some form of racism and felt they did not have a voice to tell the world that this is wrong and blacks should be treated better than this.
My debate for European pressure on America to abolish slavery can be read in the “Unfinished nation” by Alan Jennings here is a link to an excerpt that proves that point – http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072879130/student_view0/chapter12/america_in_the_world.html
Your opposition to Healthcare reform is very interesting because I’ve never thought of it as
you said “keeping the black man down, sick, and impoverished”.Are you implying that Tea party oppositions believe that the Tea Party believes blacks and other minorities are the only uninsured and under insured that Health care reform will effect positively? I’ve always thought it was based in tax increases or cuts ( depending on which pundit you listen to ) But it is very interesting where your frame of mind is regarding what you believe it is, Its almost insensitive to believe Blacks and other minorities are that short sighted
As far as the Tiger Woods situation , the fact I am trying to make is while like you said Tiger Woods is a bigger than life figure and he did let a lot of people down religiously speaking.A lot of people whether you recognize it or not are taking what he did personally, What he did is what most athletes,rock stars and actors have been doing for as long as their were fans. Why is everybody so shocked and hurt by what has transpired he’s not the first and will not be the last, but he is arguably the greatest golfer who knocked down some serious racial barriers and earned a certain amount of trust never before reached by most if any black athlete and the way the media has persecuted him I just wondered aloud, would it be the exact same results persecution wise if his wife was black as well as his mistress. would the care for Elin Woods be the same for Keisha Woods? would we care what Monique Johnson had to say as much as Rachel Uchitel ? Just an internal thought that I wanted to get opinions on.
Finally Mr. Wordsmith OJ was a case as black people saw it ,that involved a black man utilizing what most blacks can’t ( money and power ) to get acquitted for what everyone knew he did just like a lot of whites who have wronged blacks have been able to do. Black people saw a system that they have always felt was tilted against them for one super huge case turn the other way. So it’s safe to say that it was far from being about OJ. and once again Mr. Wordsmith I ask Would the outrage be as loud and vociferous if Nicole Brown Simpson was Nakia Brown Simpson?
Mr John Galt
While what you say is true, what you neglect to mention is the fact that republicans have been steadily losing the support of Blacks in America since the Teddy Roosevelt era. And for some reason never really made an attempt to get it back. if a candidate does not campaign to you why would you believe they are for you? That is the question posed to most blacks when they go to the polls. So while their was a time when the Right championed the cause of blacks in America and the left did not, as time progressed it was the Democratic party who realized The Black vote is something worth fighting for and the Republicans garnered an image to Blacks as if they could care less up until the 2008 election, Never saw Palin stumping for any Black votes if it was not about race why concede the black vote for so many years? Will you be addressing issues that effect blacks or not? Blacks are under the impression that the right is out of touch with Black Americans and see no signs of them trying to mend those fences. Do you Mr. JohnGalt or do you only see what the Republican party did Many,Many years ago?
It didn’t help, Dwight, that many Blacks in the South were lynched by Democratic groups such as the KKK or the Democrats themselves along with those Whites who fought for their liberties as people. Do understand the true history first and foremost before labeling Republicans as the enslavers or race haters, Republicans were killed in the South up till the late 90’s for their political followings and the Neo-Nazi and KKK groups were the hitmen. A lot of good friends of mine are in graves from Alanta and New Orleans and myself was a victim of constant abuse as a kid by the ilks of supporters of Democrats even being stabbed a few times by a Bill Clinton rabid fan claiming I was a neo-nazi. Do you think it is right to attack an 11 year old child whose only care is to play video games, read his books, do his class work and play with friends is right because this kid have a conservative slant to life? My best friends in High School or Middle School was never whites because I grew up in a very white liberal suburb (it did not help that I had moved into this neighborhood in Middle School) and this suburb didn’t get its first black student till 1998 and they violently atacked this student and trashed her car because she didn’t submit to their “policies” of social structure. I spent my afternoons helping repair her car out of sorrow for what these monsters did to her. As “payment” my locker was pryed open, spraypainted with racial slurs and had knives jammed into a yearbook photo of me in the back of my Locker. The police never found who “did it” but then again, it didn’t help that one knife had the name of the owner’s last name scribed on it and it was a son of a local Officer.
And you gravely mistake the Whig Party’s more “progressive” platforms with the Republican’s. Ignorance is pure bliss, it seems, when being a puppet.
Thanks for sharing Mr Irons, I have seen bigotry; but nothing compared to the incidents you have seen. It is tragic that the same people who committed those crimes are now pimps for the Black Vote. Perhaps the Black is being manipulated more now, than he has been in recent history
Johngalt wrote —
“I will repeat: The left has been given a pass on racism in america. Why, you ask? Because for years the one political party that most opposed integration, and civil rights, including voting, for blacks and other minorities was the democrat party.”
Neat slight of hand, john. You start out talking about “the left” getting a pass on “racism,” then start talking about the “democrat party.” First off, it is called the “Democratic Party” and its members are “Democrats”; it is not called the “Democrat Party.” Second, you conflate “the left” with “the Democratic Party.” In reality, the left of the Dems, the left of the GOP, and the moderates in both parties were all for the civil rights acts.
It was the Got damned conservatives of the Dem Party and the GOP who chose to throw their lot in with the Klan and Bull Connor. The liberals “get a pass” on racism because . . . they opposed the racists . . . .
http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1543/article_detail.asp
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/12/civil-rights-act-was-opposed-by-conservatives.php
Here . . . read this piece of nonsense from the conservative house organ, the National Review:
http://econ161.berkeley.edu/movable_type/2005-3_archives/001467.html
“The central question that emerges–and it is not a parliamentary question or a question that is answered by merely consulting a catalog of the rights of American citizens, born Equal–is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes–the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the median cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists. . . National Review believes that the South’s premises are correct. If the majority wills what is socially atavistic, then to thwart the majority may be, though undemocratic, enlightened. It is more important for any community, anywhere in the world, to affirm and live by civilized standards, than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority. Sometimes it becomes impossible to assert the will of a minority, in which case it must give way, and the society will regress; sometimes the numberical minority cannot prevail except by violence: then it must determine whether the prevalence of its will is worth the terrible price of violence.”
Want to know why minorities run like hell from the GOP? Reread this editorial from time to time and you will know why.
It is not because the liberals are so great to them; it is because the conservatives chose to be complicit in their violent subjugation. And the conservatives who used to be in the Dem party are all now in the GOP. This point cannot be argued, because the paper trail still exists, even 50 years after the fact. Which is why, 50 years after the fact, the GOP national convention looks not unlike a Klan meeting.
Oh yes… mention the word “race”, and @billy bob shows up, front and center with some 1950’s blip of history as indicative of this nation’s racial mood in 2010. billy bob, I might point out, was barely a glint in his parents’ eyes at that point… if even a glint.
But if you want to regurgitate history as your quintessential proof that today’s conservatives are “racists”, billy bob, you might want to also recognize that it was Dem Senators that organized the filibuster to the 1964 Civil Rights Act of 1964…. led by Robert Byrd of KKK fame. Right along with Al Gore’s pappy. Any post era criticism of them? Or only of generic conservative op-eds?
Then, of course, ignore the convenient facts that Sen. JFK also voted against the 1957 civil rights act, opposed the ’63 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., organized by a black Republican – A. Phillip Randolph.
I suppose that the origination of Jim Crow laws happened to be by the southern Dems also escapes billy bob’s partisan racial rhetoric.
But probably, billy bob, that which always remains your most offensive and predictable characteristic, is that you always mix past era racism with today’s times…. leaving it to the reader’s imagination that it remains the status quo. That you choose to ignore your own party’s contribution to the past is also indefensible.
This perhaps makes you the most dangerous mix to the black community…. a partisan, revisionist history racist who is bent on perpetuating hatred between races merely to advance a progressive social agenda that continues to enslave not only minorities, but seeks to “equalize” that enslavement to all races to a political ruling class.
Very few can defend the negative and despicable actions of both Dems and Conservatives in those days in our current era perspectives, billy bob. That you attempt to keep it alive today puts you, personally, in the same low class of race baiters and racists of that era. And based on your history here, that comes as no surprise.
Whack!! You go MataH!!! I love reading your rebuttals to these libtards!!
@Dwight:
Dwight, I strongly suggest you read my debate with Gaffa, which if I remember, touched upon our Founding Fathers and the perils of judging the past without having lived through the constraints and prism of understanding, of the times. Concepts of freedom and liberty and equality were not the norm of the day. America was a work in progress, and it’s America and Britain who led the way as prime movers in “abolishing” the institution of slavery and ending the slave trade at the expense of blood and treasure. Nowhere else on earth except in the west was the first anti-slavery movement started.
MLK and Jackie Robinson were great Americans who weren’t alone in challenging the “racist system” in America. Thomas Jefferson himself included a condemnation of slavery in the first draft of the Declaration of Independence. Yes, slavery itself was antithetical to the “belief that all men are created equal” and from the very beginning of our nation’s founding, the incompatibility of the two tormented our forefathers, and they, in various manner and in various states were rejecting slavery before the nation ever split into a war between the states.
Rev. Perryman points out that blacks, every step of the way, were helped by whites who defied racism and slavery. Why are they not credited with helping to define who and what America is? Why is it that the racists and believers in slavery are the ones who get to define who we are/were as a nation?
Dwight, we’ve already admitted it. Over and over and over again. Frankly, we’re obsessed by it to the point of “white guilt” bludgeoning us over the head with it, beating the pride out of us. A number of my fellow citizens only believe the very worst about our nation. That is what I have a problem with. This is lopsided history. The Howard Zinns and Ward Churchills of academia are not the keepers of the flame when it comes to perspective and balance. I don’t know any American who isn’t aware of the horrible way in which blacks and American Indians have been treated in the formation of these United States.
Today is not the 60’s. It is not the 1800’s. It is 2010 where a man of color holds the highest office in the land. Where for decades now, minorities of all stripes and colors have held positions of power, wealth, and prestige in government and in the private sector. Who is holding them down? What holds “the black man down”? I believe it is mostly the clinging to the belief of institutionalized racism that does more than the actual existence of institutionalized racism that “holds the black man down”. That makes him hostile to embracing mainstream American society, only seeing things in terms of “black culture” (to be embraced) and white culture (to be rejected).
The “shame of our country” wasn’t exclusive to our country (where we received only 4 to 6% of the African slaves shipped across the Atlantic). But the beginnings of a worldwide awakening to the evils of slavery began, in part, with us. Again, it was a process; not an instant belief amongst the masses. To change an institution that’s been around for 2000 years in all corners of the globe and shift people’s mindsets doesn’t just happen overnight. I reject the hypocrisy charge.
These men exist because they feed off of fanning the flames of racial hatred and strife, for the most part. Somehow, Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson (who wrote the book “Scam”) and Reverend Wayne Perryman are spouting nonsense to you, while Reverend Jackson and Sharpton “exist because they are deemed necessary by someone who felt the same way they do”? Why doesn’t Peterson and Perryman’s perspective, as black Americans, deserve serious deliberation and attention? Why do the Sharptons get to speak on behalf of the black American experience?
Men like Farrakhan and Wright are part of the racial problem. Not the solution.
Thanks for the link. I read it with interest. The anti-slavery movement was not a “worldwide movement” until spearheaded by Britain and the U.S. The Declaration of Independence, itself, was an inspirational document to the growing movement to end slavery. Before Wilberforce, there were already anti-slavery sentiments afoot in America. As early as 1646 Puritan founders of New England expressed their revulsion of slavery. The General Court of Massachusetts condemned citizens who had brought over two natives they seized in an African village and the magistrates ordered the two blacks returned to their native land. 2 yrs later, Rhode Island passed legislation denouncing the practice of enslaving blacks for life. This before the Declaration of Independence. And American history is filled with those Americans who stood against slavery and turned the tide of a worldwide practice that had been around for generations upon generations. And slavery was legislated against in some parts of the United States, prior to the War between the States. It was thanks to white Americans and white Europeans; not some rebellion and uprising of black slaves.
From your link:
Again, there was no “worldwide movement” or “world” opinion on slavery that did not begin in the West, spearheaded by Christian evangelicals in Britain and in America. From them, spread the growth of the movement.
Mine was a response to yours, where you posed a question regarding President Obama. Perhaps I misread what seemed between the lines- the suggestion that our opposition to Obama’s agenda has to do with racist attitudes toward him. I mean, why the hell are you bringing healthcare into this, when the topic isn’t about healthcare but on “racism”?
Jesus Christ, man….get off the racial obsession! Quit looking at him through the lens of “race”. Quit seeing him as “a black man” married to a “white woman”. Tiger Woods is simply a HUGE sports celebrity known for great charity work and an inspiration to millions. A big part of his fall is due to the fact that so many believed he had his head screwed on straight as a devoted family man. It is big news because he is a big celebrity. Period. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin! Make it an issue, and that’s how racism stays alive and well and MAKES America a racist nation.
Well, ya got mine! 😛
Maybe not.
Well done Wordsmith, I made the mistake of reading it off my blackberry, that was a chore; I enjoyed it none the less.
Mata —
Once again, you are trying to rewrite history. You try to conflate party label with political ideology. But you, again, fail because I will not let you get away with it.
I say it again, and there is simply no actual factual or historic dispute: liberals and moderates of the Democratic Party and Republican Party were the ones responsible for the passage of the civil rights legislation.
You cons sided with Bull Connor. This is a historical fact that, while embarrassing to your side, cannot be swept under the rug. Everytime you bring up “the Dems filibustered”, YOU are the one making this a partisan issue, as opposed to the ideological issue that it is.
I pointed out the National Review article (and there are many others like it, including the infamous Robert Bork article) to show that opposition to the civil rights act was a CONSERVATIVE THING. You can try all you want to, but you can’t get away from that fact: you guys were on the wrong side of history. And as those conservatives all gravitated to the GOP (and away from the Dem Party), Americans minorities went the exact opposite direction.
Remember: up until the 1960s, the Black vote was pretty split . . . not evenly split, but the GOP was competitive. But in the 1960s and 70s and 80s, the Southern Strategy meant that the GOP was more willing to go after the George Wallace voters than the now-upwardly mobile minority vote. And after the 1960s changes in immigration laws, you had more minorities immigrating to the US from Africa, Asia, the Carribean, Latin America. You think those new immigrants are going to side with the party of the Southern Strategy, or the party that was still proud of the civil rights statutes?
Yes, it cost the Dems the South and it cost them some elections. But now the children of those immigrants are voting and they are not even willing to consider the conservative GOP as an option. The conservative GOP is looking at a demographically dictated extinction, and the roots of that extinction can be traced back to the 1950s and 60s, when the conservatives decided to side with Bull Connor over Martin Luther King, to listen to Robert Bork and not LBJ, to go after the angry white voters in the South (angry because of integration) and ignore, with supposed “benign neglect” (the Nixon administration term), the newly empowered minority voters.
It could have been a very different world. But it is what it is because the conservatives were philosphically and ideologically opposed to the civil rights acts. In that, the conservatives thought that empowering minorities was a greater threat to America that the often violent racist subjugation of minorities that the National Review was cheerleading in that 1957 editorial.
Lastly, Mata, you wrote:
“. . . that which always remains your most offensive and predictable characteristic, is that you always mix past era racism with today’s times…. leaving it to the reader’s imagination that it remains the status quo.”
I ask the Janet Jackson question: “what have you done for me lately?” It is all well and good to point out that Lincoln was a GOPer and that GOPers supported the civil rights acts. But what has the GOP done for minority voters since 1965? What has the GOP done to attract minority voters to the party? I won’t give MY answer . . . because I want you to ponder it yourself. As for the “status quo”, the Dems just ran a Black man for president and provided the cash, organization and votes for him to WIN it, going away. What has the GOP done in comparison?
See, Mata, you cons STILL refuse to acknowledge why you are in the demographic predicament that you are in. I keep trying to explain it to you, but you would rather listen to other cons pontificate on why your party is not even competitive with minority voters. Until you folks stop listening to each other (the blind leading the blind), you will learn nothing.
On second thought . . . maybe you cons . . . like it the way it is, with one party looking like a rainbow coalition and the other looking like a White Citizens Council meeting. Because the GOP certainly has made no effort to change its ways. G’day!
Dwight —
Wordsmith wrote many sentences and uses lots of words, but never addresses your point, which was “If America had kept to its word from its inception their would not be the significants of MLK, Jackie Robinson and the other great blacks who challenged the racist system in place in America.”
We would not have had slavery, a war, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, and an anti-segregation backlash IF NOT for the forces of racism winning in the 1770s and set us on this course. Cons refuse to acknowledge the obvious mainly because conservatives, by definition, were opposed to the very forces of upheaval that set in force the 190 year correction that culminated with the civil rights acts. So they minimize the devstating impact of slavery and Jim Crow . . . yeah, talking about you Dinesh D’Souza. They pooh pooh the intergenerational wealth transfer impact of restricting minority employment to menial positions, regardless of the native abilities of those minorities. You see them spin as best they can to act as if the Southern Strategy did not exist. They try to rewrite history to act as if their demigod Reagan was NOT race baiting by giving a “states rights” speech practically on the burial site where Goodman, Cheney and Schwerner were martyred. And they like to totally ignore Jesse Helms’ and Strom Thurmond’s respective “contributions” to race relations in America, as if everything would have been OK if not for affirmative action, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton . . . please . . . .
What we are seeing on this board is, in reality, a declaration of defeat. Everytime you see a Youtube post of racist behavior at a teabagger rally going uncontested, the cons know they have sunk a little lower. Everytime you hear some nutbag make a caustic speech comparing illegal immigrants to vermin, the cons know they lose a few million more votes of fair-minded voters, Whites, Latinos, Black and Asians alike. Every time you see the US actually doing BETTER at something under Obama, the cons get more desperate. Because they now know they picked the wrong side on the racial issues facing this country, and the demographic chickens are coming home to roost. You have an entire generation of young White voters who are now voting like minority voters. Why? Because they cannot abide what the GOP stands for today. And as you said, the GOP has done nothing to address this problem.
There is a lot of desperation on the con side. It is why you see so much heat, so little thought, and appeals to violent “resistence” coming from the conservatives. They truly believe this is armageddon! I know this because . . . they have said so! But, to paraphrase REM, it only seems like the end of the world because it is the end of the world as THEY know it. They are still working their way through the Kubler-Ross states of grief: caught up at “anger” and “denial” and not quite yet at “acceptance.”
@ BRob
You completely embarrass yourself every time you get near a keyboard. You sir are the one trying to rewrite history. These are the facts:
Senator Everett Dirksen (R-IL) was the Senate Minority leader and helped write and pass the Civil Rights legistlation. He was a huge conservative. He introduced a constituitional amendment to allow public school administrators to provide organized prayer by students. He’s the man responsible for the phrase, “A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money.” Don’t believe me though, let the good senator himself tell you the difference between a Republican and a Democrat.
OMG, did you hear that BRob? He’s a flaming liberal, huh?
The truth is BRob, there were Republicans and Democrats that opposed the legislation and Rebublicans and Democrats that supported it. There were liberals and conservatives that opposed the legislation, (Robert Byrd being one of those libs and Barry Goldwater being one of those conservatives), and conservative and liberals that supported the legislation.
And to further job your memory, Woodrow Wilson, the progressive hero of the left: “His administration imposed full racial segregation in Washington and hounded from office considerable numbers of black federal employees…”
Look it up, you might be surprised. And we can never forget Andrew Jackson, the man responsible for the Jack-ass to become the symbol of the Democrat party. He defied the SCOTUS and force marched the Cherokee Nation from their rightful lands to Oklahoma. He is responsible for the deaths of 1000’s of men, women and children on the Trail of Tears.
Now, go straighten up your Paralegal diploma and get your boss a cup of coffee.
Mata BRob spelled it out perfectly in 40# and 41#.Southern Cons.( some Dems. and Repubs) backed Goldwater64 who voted against Civil Rights Act.Dem. Johnson backed Civil Rights Act. which hurt him in south but helped elect him nationally.Dem Cons.including Dixiecrat and avowed racist Strom Thurmond (D.S.C.) began switching in droves to more conservative Repub.Party.Nixon’s “southern strategy”,bringing more Dem.whites into Repub.fold brought him very close victory in 68 but continued to push southern minorities into Dem. fold.This movement of conservative Southern white Dems into Repub.Party continued in 70’s and early 80’s.The deep south had gone from solid Dem. to solid Repub. in less than 20 years fueled primarily by Civil Right’s Votes.
No question Cons. are desperate as demographically, youth, Latins and other minorities overwhelmingly move to Dems. It truly is “the end of the world as they know it”Fortunately most people think this is a good thing.
BROB it’s weard but the more you say,the more you talk about the democrats,they are the one who project violence and hatred and fear mongering ,,,i go to some others conservatives news facts and i find the sincerety and civilyse way of their news and truth and the comments are very knowledgebale specialy here ,,FA demand proof on every one who bring fact and if there is no proof of what they bring,they are challenge all the time,,there is also humor and the whole spectrum of ideas exchange,,no violence here,no insult here,i say they know what they are talking about,here we have professionals in all spectrum as well as other,,studient very well learned working people of all trades,,AMERICANS,that all would work for AMERICANS,when their time come they will deserve the trust to be elevated in power to serve the people’s demands,,bye 🙄
@Aqua #42:
Let us remind BRob and Rich Wheeler the reason why Goldwater did not support the legislation (which was not out of “racism”):
@BRob #40:
Let’s remind BRob that George Wallace was a Democrat, who in ’68 got 13% of the votes as an independent, then went back to the Democrat Party in ’72 when he was shot, and ran against George McGovern and was beating him in the primaries, running on a transparently racist appeal!
@BRob #41:
That’s one explanation…the other is that you are too partisanly mule-headed and comprehension-deficient to wrap your brain around what is presented before you.
bees —
I said NOTHING about Democrats initially. I said CONSERVATIVES opposed the civil rights act . . . and they did. But if you look at the two parties now, and look at them from the 1970s onward, you will see a dramatic difference, demographically, with college educated people and racial minorities and young people flocking to one party.
And you said Dems “they are the one who project violence and hatred and fear mongering”. Please . . . when is the last time a Dem brought a gun to a presidential rally? Or a Dem congressman cheered a domestic terrorist flying a plane into a government building? When is the last time you heard someone from the left sugesting that people throw bricks through GOP congressmen’s office windows? When is the last time you heard a lefty claim that the government was going to confiscate guns, or create concentration camps, or create panels that would decide if people would be euthanised? That was your side who did those things, and more, in the last fourteen months. Why? Desperation. You people have nothing left but dire predictions and fear and conspiracy theories because you have no rational arguments to add to the discussion.
Wordsmith — I am hoping you are NOT denying the Southern Strategy . . . which was to make GOPers out of the Southern White Wallace voters, the ones who were angry at the Dems after the anti-segregation efforts succeeded. And the Southern Strategy worked, culminating in the gubenatorial run of David Duke (as a Republican, of course). Indeed, the Southern Strategy and Reagan’s disgraceful speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi are simply matters of historic fact that you cons keep trying to alternatively spin and ignore. But it is there, buddy boy, like a big infected dime sized pimple in the middle of your forehead . . . you can look away, but you can’t really avoid it.
And you can spin Goldwater’s opposition to the civil rights act and say it was not about racism. But reread the National Review editorial and tell me that that is not inherently racist, i.e., championing the idea that Whites can and should use force, if necessary, to maintain dominion over the descendents of slaves in the South. What is that EXCEPT racism?
You also skirt right by the fact that Goldwater’s position gave aid and comfort the the domestic terrorists that were marauding throughout the South. The Birchers, the White Citizens Councils, the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission, the Klan . . . all alligned with the GOP. Why? Because the cons threw their hats in with Lester Maddox and against Martin Luther King, with the crooked Southern sheriffs and against Viola Liuzzo. If you cons had had your way, Black people STILL would not be permitted to vote, or travel across state lines freely, or eat lunch at a crappy lunch counter. And that, sonny boy, is why the GOP is dying today: the putrid roots of the party are rotting. It is becoming a old, all White regional party, with the only members left being the same angry people you attracted in the 70s and 80s. Take a look that the angry nuttiness of the teabagger rallies . . . that is the face the GOP is showing America.
Aqua —
From wikipedia — “After losing in the 1930 Republican primary, Dirksen won the nomination and the congressional seat in 1932, and was re-elected seven times. His support for many New Deal programs marked him as a moderate, pragmatic Republican.”
So much for him being a conservative! LOL!
I notice you did not even bother to address professional bigot Jesse Helms and child rapist Strom Thurmond. They were much more important to the GOP than Dirksen, especially seeing as they both were the same kind of racist former Dems who flocked to the GOP in the 1960s and 70s and 80s. Indeed, both of them were much more recent leaders of the GOP, seeing as Dirksen died in 1969 and Thurmond and Helms were around 30 plus years. But that’s OK . . . I know installing a child rapist as head of the Senate Judiciary Committee is an achievement that no one would want to acknowledge now. But, as I said, it is what it is!
Wordsmith In 64 Wallace opposed to the Civil Rights Act ran in 3 Dem primaries and got about 1/3rd of the vote against LBJ. In 68 he broke from Dems and ran 3rd party Pres campaign with American Independant Party, anti Civil Rights,pro States rights.Famed statement “segregation now,segregation forever”. In 7O as Dem. re-elected as Gov.of Ala. in a run-off and in 72 while running as Dem in Pres. primaries was shot and seriously wounded.He was doing OK against McGovern in South but probably had little chance nationally.Meanwhile southern white Dems continued movement into Repub.Party and growth of Conserv. evangelicals added to Republican base.Note I certainly don’t believe Goldwater was a racist but believe he was on wrong side of 64 Civil Rights Act
Aqua Large majority of Repub support of Civil Rights Act came from moderate northern and western Repubs.Dirkson today would most likely be a RINO in conservative’s eyes. Byrd certainly no liberal but like Jim Webb(D.Va.) a bluedog.
This all said in 2010 we want to believe our society is post racial and the election of BHO with 9.5 million vote plurality should make this case.I’d like to think one thing most can agree on is term limits for all.Politics should not be a career but an incredible opportunity for the best among us to SERVE the people and get back to a civilian career.
Happy Easter to all
@ rich wheeler
Did you click on the youtube video with Dirksen explaining the difference between a republican and democrat? He didn’t sound like a RINO to me.
Agreed 100%
Madalyn, I would love to hear you elaborate on how, aside from the History Channel commercial, you’ve come to the rather frightening determination that Democrats are acting like Nazis. This seems to be a somewhat common fear among many conservatives, one that I frankly don’t see, but that I’m very interested in understanding. It seems you’re not alone in this fear. I’m sure you’re well aware of the history of the rise of Nazism in Germany. When they assumed power, they further galvanized their followers by preaching blood purity and a return to traditional family values, while demonizing what they considered to be the morally corrupting influences of communists, homosexuals and Jews. There’s certainly a nasty corner of the American political universe where those ideas might feel right at home, but I wouldn’t necessarily locate that corner within the mainstream Democratic Party. And this isn’t coming from a “Democrat” so to speak (although I’m clearly more liberal than the average poster on this site) but a person who is still, quite unsuccessfully, trying to locate that smoking gun responsible for all this dramatic teeth gnashing.