By Shipwreckedcrew
The effort by the Trump Campaign to reverse the outcome of the election in Wisconsin is beginning to gain some attention — it now has my attention.
Reversing Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are necessary to call into question what will happen in the Electoral College on December 14.
As explained in this piece yesterday, in Georgia the focus is on invalid voter registrations which used a mail-drop or business location as a “residence” address on the voter and mail-in ballot application.
Pennsylania is a mish-mash of various claims, most of which are traceable back to partisan decisions of the state’s Supreme Court, which makes them all reachable in an omnibus review by the US Supreme Court.
But the approach in Wisconsin has been a bit of a mystery to me until now.
The margin of Biden’s “victory” in Wisconsin is only 43,000 votes out of 3.2 million cast. The reversal of Wisconsin from 2016 pretty much comes down to the additional 45,000 votes Biden received in Dane County compared to what Hillary Clinton received in 2016. That increase of 43,000 votes — from 217,000 to 260,000 — was an increase of 20%. Where did they all come from?
Wisconsin has same-day voter registration — meaning it was possible for a voter to register at the polls and to cast a ballot. But Wisconsin also requires a photo-identification for any person who votes in-person at the polls on Election Day.
But Wisconsin also has a particular class of voters who are eligible to vote by absentee ballot, and voters who qualify for that particular class are not required to submit a copy of a photo ID with their ballot when they mail it in. This is a bit convoluted, so I’ll lay it out step-by-step.
There are a variety of ways to register without having to show a photo ID. All that is needed is a document to establish “residency”, and several types of documents such as a residential lease, utility statement, etc., are acceptable so long as both a name and address are listed.
Once registered, a voter can apply for an absentee ballot, and Wisconsin law allows all electors to vote by absentee ballot if they so chose. But, Wisconsin law also requires strict compliance with the procedural process governing absentee voting, and any violation of the process invalidates the votes cast.
6.84 Construction.
6.84(1)(1) Legislative policy: The legislature finds that voting is a constitutional right, the vigorous exercise of which should be strongly encouraged. In contrast, voting by absentee ballot is a privilege exercised wholly outside the traditional safeguards of the polling place. The legislature finds that the privilege of voting by absentee ballot must be carefully regulated to prevent the potential for fraud or abuse; to prevent overzealous solicitation of absent electors who may prefer not to participate in an election; to prevent undue influence on an absent elector to vote for or against a candidate or to cast a particular vote in a referendum; or other similar abuses.
(2) Interpretation: Notwithstanding s. 5.01 (1), with respect to matters relating to the absentee ballot process, ss. 6.86, 6.87 (3) to (7) and 9.01 (1) (b) 2. and 4. shall be construed as mandatory. Ballots cast in contravention of the procedures specified in those provisions may not be counted. Ballots counted in contravention of the procedures specified in those provisions may not be included in the certified result of any election.
This is the focus of the Trump Campaign’s post-election efforts — to identify absentee ballots in Wisconsin that were not cast ion strict compliance with the procedures set forth in the statute for use of such ballots.
Here is where the efforts get interesting:
6.86 Methods for obtaining an absentee ballot.
(1)(a) Any elector of a municipality who is registered to vote whenever required and who qualifies under ss. 6.20 and 6.85 as an absent elector may make written application to the municipal clerk of that municipality for an official ballot by one of the following methods: 1. By mail. 2. In person at the office of the municipal clerk or at an alternate site under s. 6.855, if applicable. 3. By signing a statement and filing a request to receive absentee ballots under sub. (2) or (2m) (a) or s. 6.22(4), 6.24(4), or 6.25(1) (c). 4. By agent as provided in sub. (3). 5. By delivering an application to a special voting deputy under s. 6.875(6). 6. By electronic mail or facsimile transmission as provided in par. (ac). (ac) Any elector qualifying under par. (a) may make written application to the municipal clerk for an official ballot by means of facsimile transmission or electronic mail. Any application under this paragraph need not contain a copy of the applicant’s original signature. An elector requesting a ballot under this paragraph shall return with the voted ballot a copy of the request bearing an original signature of the elector as provided in s. 6.87(4). Except as authorized in ss. 6.87(4) (b) 2. to 5. and 6.875 (6), and notwithstanding s. 343.43(1) (f), the elector shall transmit a copy of his or her proof of identification in the manner provided in s. 6.87(1) unless the elector is a military elector or an overseas elector or the elector has a confidential listing under s. 6.47(2)…..
(ar) Except as authorized in s. 6.875 (6), the municipal clerk shall not issue an absentee ballot unless the clerk receives a written application therefor from a qualified elector of the municipality. The clerk shall retain each absentee ballot application until destruction is authorized under s. 7.23 (1).(2)(a) An elector who is indefinitely confined because of age, physical illness or infirmity or is disabled for an indefinite period may by signing a statement to that effect require that an absentee ballot be sent to the elector automatically for every election. The application form and instructions shall be prescribed by the board, and furnished upon request to any elector by each municipality. The envelope containing the absentee ballot shall be clearly marked as not forwardable. If any elector is no longer indefinitely confined, the elector shall so notify the municipal clerkThe “(ac)” provision that is bolded and italicized was added in 2020. All applications for absentee ballots that are submitted via email or facsimile must be accompanied by a copy of the elector’s photo ID — “Except as authorized in ss. 6.87(4)(b) 2. to 5.” Copies of all such applications are to be retained by the Clerk in each County.
The interplay between 686(2)(a) (“indefinite confinement”) and the requirements for providing a photo ID seem to be the basis for the inquiry being conducted by the Trump Campaign. Why? Because voters who receive an absentee ballot after stating on their application that they fit within the “indefinitely confined” classification do not need to provide a copy of a photo ID when they return their completed absentee ballot for tabulation in the election. Section 6.87(4)(b) 2 states:
(4)(b) 2. …. if the absentee elector has applied for and qualified to receive absentee ballots automatically under s. 6.86(2) (a), the elector may, in lieu of providing proof of identification, submit with his or her absentee ballot a statement signed by the same individual who witnesses voting of the ballot which contains the name and address of the elector and verifies that the name and address are correct.
When you consider these provisions in combination with each other, after the modifications made to Wisconsin election law in 2020, you can knit together a process that allows the following to happen:
It took a very long time for WI to get our voter ID law passed, anyone doing an end run around it must be at least questioned.
It stopped busloads of “voters” showing up in Kenosha and other towns close to the Illinois border.
They need to sniff out Maiden-gate too, I know a girl who was married this year and someone voted in her maiden name. Ashley reported it to authorities. In a town of 2200 population you would know if you shared a name with someone.
It looks like voters are waking up to the Bolsheviks’ scheme and want it fixed.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/nearly-90-voters-believe-outdated-voter-registration-rolls-should-be
@kitt:
Democrats have fought desperately against voter ID laws because it shuts down a fertile source of voter fraud. Even as they argued against positive voter ID they emphasized that positive voter ID does nothing to secure voting by mail… which they have not exploited for massive fraud.
The widespread, massive fraud is undeniable by any honest person.
@Deplorable Me: @kitt:
I currently have friends in Wisconsin helping with the ballot recounts. These are good honest people that would count a vote for Biden if that is what the legal ballot says. Problem is with the mail-in ballots. No signatures, no mail-in ballot request on file, dated prior to the election, no witness signatures or addresses, over votes (marked for more than one candidate for office), under votes (only office marked was for Biden for Pres), P.O. Boxes for address, etc.
They have told me that all those illegal ballots were initially counted, and 99% of them were for Biden. They also said they never saw such an acceptance of mail-in ballots that clearly did not meet the state’s requirements for certification of a mail-in ballot. IOW, Wisconsin is a mess.
Of course. That’s how elections are stolen, even down ticket elections. Yet, they have no problem with people being required to provide I.D. for a checking account, a credit card or a driver’s license. After decades of having a driver’s license in my state, I was required to provide my birth certificate, and proof of residency, last year to renew it.
Remember, the first blatant method of allowing for voter fraud was enacted by Bubba Clinton with the Motor Voter Act.
@retire05: I guess even he realized one day they would have to rely heavily on fraud to win.
@retire05: To get my real ID I had to provide documentation for every name change since birth including birth, married twice 1 divorce all the proof. It does get frustrating as this is all in their records with the government, for the democrat clerks here to give advice on how to get around the ID law then say it isnt our job to insure these people are actually confined that is up to their witness and we will auto mail them a ballot until they dont vote one time. The WEC fighting tooth and nail not to clean the voter rolls. Allowing the filling in of missing information on ballots such as witness addresses. The Milwaukee sewer is expert at election fraud always last to report their decision as to who won an election.
@kitt:
My friends in WI said they have never seen such BLATANT erroneous vote counting in mail-ins. Ballots that are CLEARLY not legal were counted. Now, some on this site may say “Well, so what, all your friends are Republicans” but they will be wrong. Democrats just can’t accept that poll watchers can be honest if they are on the other side so that will be their typical response. I suppose that is due to the fact that Democrats believe the end justifies the means.
You in WI need to take this to your legislature. Your voter rolls need to be cleaned up. We had to do that. The county EA said she had, but we found over 30 dead people still on the rolls who had voted (mail-in absentee) in the primary. We also found 2 felons who have not had their voting rights adjudicated back to them who voted in the primary. So call your state rep and demand better a better voter system.
IMHO, there is no way that Biden received more votes than Obama. No one I know on the left was excited by Biden, they just hated Trump and a couple of them said they were not going to vote because Biden was just as bad as Trump.
@retire05: Cleaning up Milwaukee would require a gigantic sunami from lake Michigan.
@retire05:
You just happen to have friends in a contested state who just happen to be involved in the counting of ballots? Liar.
November 10, 2020 – Wisconsin Clerks Reported 238 Possible Voter Fraud Cases Since 2016
There follows a summary of the possible Wisconsin fraud cases for each election year from 2016 through 2020. Click on the article link if you want to read it. In the summary you will also find links to the yearly fraud reports, each going into considerably more detail.
The point is that while there will always be people who will try to cheat at just about anything if they see an opportunity to do so, the numbers are so small that they have no effect on the outcome of national elections. In the case of Wisconsin, from 2016 through 2020 there have been 238 possible instances of fraudulent votes out of a cumulative total a cumulative total of 12 million ballots. The number is statistically insignificant.
@Greg: You should have watched the hearing in Gettysburg.
The operators in Milwaukee are real pros, catching them will be a feat. The only way to get fair elections back in WI is to make them finish first then tabulate the rest of the State.
BTW they found more uncounted ballots in the recount than the 238 possible fraud instances you note, but Milwaukee wont report themselves will they.
This is exactly like Trump having convinced millions of people that Obama wasn’t really born in Hawaii. No amount of evidence will ever convince them that Biden really won the election. When they refuse to accept that mainstream view, they’ll be angry and resentful because they’ve been marginalized. Donald Trump and others like him will feed that anger and resentment. Doing so has been turned into a profitable path to influence and power. Us vs. Them serves them best, not promoting unity and common purpose. That’s been the story of the past four years.
@Greg:
You might want to check the facts of the matter, if facts were to suddenly become important to you.
Democrats have smeared evidence of fraud all over this election like cow shit smeared on the inside of a stock trailer. The choice between an energetic, intelligent, patriotic leader to run this country and a doddering, corrupt, lying Obama-tool is too important to allow to be stolen by cheap thieves.
Even if named the “winner”, Biden will never be legitimate. He’ll always have an asterisk nailed on his name.
@Greg:
Seems to me that you are who will not accept the truth. The ballots in two Wisconsin counties are being recounted as you cut and pasted your biased WPR report.
“As President Donald Trump and some of his allies continue to make unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud across the country following last week’s election”
Nah, nothing biased about that line.
How about some real facts: 1) WPR has no idea how many ballots were cast illegally in Wisconsin this year. The count continues in two major counties. 2) the number ballots, due to the recount and closer inspection, that have been illegal, has not been released to the press or even the poll watchers and ballot counters in those two counties.
So for you to quote WPR that cannot honestly give a number of illicit ballots cast in Wisconsin this year is just one more reason why public radio should be unfunded and shut down. Let Brian Steltzer, Rachael Maddow and Don Lemon spread lies. They get paid to do it.
@Greg:
Thats not the way this works, thats not the way any of this works. We dont care if the media accepts or doesnt .
If you get caught cheating you get a big fat nuthin. The DNC operative got busted, big time in PA thats just the first foot to fall.
I think most people are totally fed up with politics based on resentment, anger, and division. That’s what took Trump to the White House, but it turned into the thing that has taken him out.
Biden is putting together a competent team of experienced government professionals who are highly qualified for the specific jobs that they’ll have. They’re not handpicked yes-men who will only tell him what he wants to hear. That’s what this moment in history calls for. There are very serious problems to be dealt with. Four more years of divisional, dysfunctional politics revolving around the egocentric personality of one man wasn’t really a viable option.
@Greg: Biden will never be President, the media cant put him there the DNC and its election fraud machine cant put him there. Pallets of fraudulent ballots cant put him there.
Not 1 sane person actually believes Biden got 80 million legal votes.
Oh Flynn got a Pardon, Sidney is too busy to defend him she is off saving the Republic.
@kitt:
They only make public claims that there were unprecedented levels of election fraud. They have yet to produce a shred of credible evidence that it actually happened.
In fact, when they have turned up in a courtroom before a judge, they won’t even make the same assertions of fraud. There’s one story they tell in their press conferences, and another they tell when lying would have legal consequences.
Joe Biden will become President on January 20, 2021. That is what will happen because that’s what the Constitution decrees will happen. A democratic election has determined it. Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell, and Trump’s media enablers cannot override the results of an election. They can blow steam out of their ears if they want to, but it won’t make fantasy prevail over reality. Donald Trump DID NOT win the presidential election by millions of votes. It’s utter nonsense.
@Greg:
Obviously, Obama doesn’t agree with that. Just recently:
“There’s a lot of evangelical Hispanics who, the fact that Trump says racist things about Mexicans, or puts undocumented workers in cages, they think that’s less important than the fact that he supports their views on gay marriage or abortion.”
Yeah, those damn Hispanics that cling to their God may have voted for me, but hey, they’ve jumped ship. How dare they?
It seems Obama has forgotten who built those cages and it wasn’t Donald J. Trump.
Hispanics who voted for Trump are now deplorables in Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.’s mind. Traitors, one and all. Never mind that a) Hispanics care about their financial bottom line like everyone else and b) native born Hispanics, and legal Hispanic immigrants, do not agree with illegal immigration pandering of the Democrats.
All Biden is doing is using retreads from the Obama administration. The same dishonest bunch that America had to tolerate for EIGHT LONG YEARS. With Biden, we’ll get Obama Part 3.
@Greg:
Oh? Are you? Finally?
Yeah, that’s why they have failed miserably when given the job. Kerry? Will he deploy folk singers to help him waste that $2 trillion in graft? Blinken is mixed up in Hunter’s Burisma corruption. Yeah… quite a team.
Biden is a dottering, corrupt liar. He and his whore VP should never be allowed into the White House. The only question will be if his puppet-masters allow to play President for one year or two.
@kitt: It is sickening that Gen. Flynn had to be pardoned. Sullivan needs to be impeached and disbarred, but Democrats will probably try to put him on the Supreme Court for his proven ideological loyalty.
@Greg: You really need a better way to get info brother
https://www.theepochtimes.com/judge-blocks-certification-of-pennsylvania-election-results_3593327.html
https://populist.press/fraud-was-just-exposed-machines-cant-scan-that-fast/
Your mockingbird media is still gaslighting you.
Your opinion was totally formed by your mind control CIA media .
They dont know a thing about about most people or what they are fed up with, look at the ratings most people dont like them.
You did not watch the hearing today terrified you would see some evidence and that would prove you are still being lied to by your precious media.
@retire05:
Hate to be picky but you misspelled retards.
Yep a shame but we need the General, I think he had loads to do with uncovering the dominion scandal.
@kitt, #21:
From the Populist Press article:
That’s complete nonsense. Nothing was imputed by the machines. The scanning machines perform an actual, accurate, one-for-one count, scanning every individual vote recorded on each individual ballot.
Giuliani’s “expert” in the accompanying video is totally full of it. The speed of the machines has absolutely nothing to do with the spike. As he says, the spike is a loading anomaly. What he says next, however—that the spike is a prime indicator of fraud—is total bullshit. The anomaly could be nothing more than the coincidence that multiple reports came around the same time from machines in precincts that strongly favored Joe Biden.
Giuliani typically attempts to mislead the audience: “And that’s 604,000 votes in 90 minutes. Is that right?”
No, that IS NOT right. It was reports that came in over 90 minutes, which included a total of 604,000 votes. All the scanning of ballots and counting of votes had already been done, and that had probably taken much longer than 90 minutes.
It was a reporting anomaly, not a voting or counting anomaly, and Rudy knows that perfectly well.
Giuliani would never present this guy as a witness in a courtroom because he’d never get away with the lie. If an annoyed judge didn’t point it out, the witness’s statement would be ripped to pieces under cross examination. This venue, however, involved no such risks. It was conducted before the The Senate Majority Policy Committee of the Pennsylvania State Legislature. In other words, not only was there no judge, but no Democratic members were present. It was a staged event, intended to create the appearance of a legitimate inquiry.
Gee, Greg seems to be getting a bit nervous about actual EVIDENCE being introduced along with an accusation.
There was no evidence. It was The Rudy Giuliani Show, hosted by The Pennsylvania Senate Majority Policy Committee. That’s surely a step up from Four Seasons Total Landscaping, conveniently located next to Fantasy Island Adult Bookstore and just across the street from the Delaware Valley Cremation Center.
How many Miracle No Stick Frying Pans do you now own?
@Greg: You have no clue what happened, “All forensic evidence, all custody sheets, gone.” Also said all yellow sheets gone.
Looks like covering up a crime.
I own 3 blue diamond fry pans bought them at BB&B I can and do use metal utensils over a year not a scratch in the finish…why?
@Greg:
So now that we know you are an expert in computer data and elections equipment, why don’t you tell us how many ballots a counting machine can count in an hour? How many ballots can be loaded into the counting machine at one time? What is the process for loading those ballots into equipment designed by Dominion? Surely you know the answer to those questions being the computer science expert you are now representing yourself as.
@Greg:
Elections are not, initially, the purview of the courts. And the Democrats could have attended, by right of their office, if they wanted to. Like every thing else that is crooked that favors Democrats, they scream “I CAN’T HEAR YOU.”
Now, answer the questions in 27 or be thought to be the liar you are.
@retire05:
As I pointed out in post #23, all of those things are totally irrelevant because the speed with which the count was done has absolutely nothing to do with the 90 minutes over which a number of reports came in. You’ll need to find another partner if you want to play 20 Questions.
@kitt: So, in an election that was clearly going to be questioned and contested, why do you suppose they would get rid of the information that would prove how honest and accurate it really was? Sort of reminds me of someone destroying 33,000 emails as soon as they found out someone wanted to see them. Doesn’t sound very “credible”, does it?
@Greg:
Actually, dumbass, it has a lot to do with ballot counts. Each counting machine has a maximum number of ballots it can count in a minute. Depending on the number of counters available (I’m sure that such an informed person as yourself knows the number of ballot counters in Pennsylvannia, right?) that multiplies the number of ballots that can be counted. Now, how many “reports” as you call them, came in during that 90 minute time frame?
Cute. All you’re doing is showing you know squat about ballot counting, data dumps, etc. You should learn to cover your a$$ better because right now it’s hanging out in the wind.
@Deplorable Me: I noticed Dominion had no representative there, I guess the require a subpoena to compel.
GOP observer Justin Kweder: Hundreds of thousands of Philadelphia #MailInBallots were processed with ZERO civilian oversight
as of today, 47 USB Cards are *MISSING* and they are NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.”
@retire05:
It doesn’t matter how many votes they count per hour, because they were already counted when those results were sent in over Rudy’s 90-minute period. Counting and reporting the results of the count are two different activities.
The speed with which a printing machine prints 1,000 newspapers has nothing to do with the time it takes to deliver them. These are two different activities.
Astonishingly, a dumbass such as myself has no difficulty at all understanding this distinction.
@Greg:
You are REALLY struggling through this, aren’t you?
Actually, not at all. I knew Rudy’s claim was bogus the moment I watched his exchange with his “expert” on the video.
@Deplorable Me: Oh he is but the Prez aint messing around, he sent in experts https://populist.press/dod-cyber-warfare-team-busted-the-fraud-in-pennsylvania/
My bet they were watching this happen live in a war room somewhere.
More mail in ballots counted than sent?
@Greg:
Really? Who knew?
Who said anything about newspapers? Or is that you way of avoiding my question which was: why don’t you tell us how many ballots a counting machine can count in an hour?
Not astonishingly, with every dumbass post you make on this subject, I KNOW you don’t know what the hell you are talking about. You have no conception of how elections are run, how votes are counted and how the results data is entered into county/state data bases.
@Deplorable Me:
Yes, yes Comrade Greggie is. Only he’s allowed his typing fingers to overload his a$$ again. And it’s showing like a big, flashing neon sign over the whore house he works in.
@kitt:
For you, Kitt:
“The Wisconsin Election Commission (WEC) sent notices to more than 230,000 voters last year urging them to confirm their registration upon discovering that they may have moved. Based on state law, WEC was supposed to deactivate registrations of those who didn’t respond within 30 days—more than 200,000 of them—but in mid-2020, it decided not to do so. ”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/some-milwaukee-neighborhoods-reported-unusually-high-election-turnout_3590601.html
@Deplorable Me: @kitt:
Interesting reads:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436
https://www.ajc.com/politics/election/in-high-stakes-election-georgias-voting-system-vulnerable-to-cyberattack/TBFT5U5BH5AZZPFPZTP3LFQ7RY/
@retire05: Interesting PBS and NBC both run articles prior to the election on these machines, now say how accurate and secure they must be. Wittmer now says there are no contracts for dominion purchases WTF
Stupid senseless lies of Democrats
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/localgov/7700117_555468_7.pdf
@retire05:
Most people know what an analogy is. Most people could figure out what the point of it was. But that would require you to recognize that Rudy is pitching horse manure, wouldn’t it?
@Greg: Still terrified of watching the hearing or is it blocked where you are? Poor pathetic creature, did you know that Kraken is the name given to a supercomputer? fun factoids
@retire05: Yes the WEC ignored court orders and threats of fines they need to be disbanded. Been a lil political soap opera here, https://www.will-law.org/category/case-updates/wec-complaint/