During the VP debate the over-caffeinated Tim Kaine went to town on Donald Trump’s taxes:
“How do you know that?” Kaine shot back again, later adding that Trump promised he’d release his returns earlier in the campaign and then mentioning Trump’s comment from the first debate that not paying federal taxes “makes me smart.”
“Is it smart not to be [paying] for our military, for veterans, for teachers?” he continued, later adding, “I guess all of us who do pay for those things, I guess we’re stupid.”
Kaine went so low as to suggest that Trump had a part in causing the 9-11 attacks.
Governor Pence just said — Governor Pence just said that Donald Trump will rebuild the military. No, he won’t. Donald Trump is avoiding paying taxes. The New York Times story — and we need to get this — but the New York Times suggested that he probably didn’t pay taxes for about 18 years starting in 1995. Those years included the years of 9/11.
So get this. On 9/11, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump’s hometown was attacked by the worst terrorist attack in the history of the United States. Young men and women — young men and women signed up to serve in the military to fight terrorism. Hillary Clinton went to Washington to get funds to rebuild her city and protect first responders, but Donald Trump was fighting a very different fight. It was a fight to avoid paying taxes so that he wouldn’t support the fight against terror.
It was pretty unseemly. The feckless Quijano could not be bothered to ask Kaine if he took any tax deductions for his 2001 return.
Quijano then went completely off the rails:
Elaine: The New York Times released part of Mr. Trump’s 1995 tax returns and reported he could have avoided paying several income taxes for years. Mr. Trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little ties as legally possible. Does that seem fair to you?
Fair? Is it fair to use the laws legally and as written? What kind of imbecilic question is that? Is it fair that Donald Trump be able to speak freely? Is it fair that Trump have a right to an attorney? Is it fair that Trump is entitled to due process?
Hillary Clinton also pounded Trump
She criticized Mr. Trump’s reluctance to release his tax returns — as every other major recent presidential candidate has done — and mentioned the article in The New York Times revealing his tax records. “While millions of American families, including mine and yours, were working hard and paying their fair share,” Mrs. Clinton said, “it seems he was contributing nothing to our nation.”
for doing exactly the same thing she did. And so did the NY Times. The biggest tax avoider in the world– Apple- is a big Clinton supporter. They keep at least $180 billion offshore to avoid US taxes. What part did they play in the 9-11 attacks? The top 5- US companies keep $1.4 trillion offshore to avoid US taxes. Why aren’t liberals burning their i-phones and i-pads in protest?
Bloomberg takes a cheap shot at Trump:
While Trump said in the first presidential debate that not paying income taxes “makes me smart,” most voters see doing so as unpatriotic. A CNN/ORC poll released Monday found that 86 percent of those surveyed viewed paying taxes as every American’s “civic duty.”
The Clinton News Network conducted a poll designed to smear Trump:
The vast majority of registered voters view paying taxes as a “civic duty,” including 79% of Donald Trump’s supporters, according to a new poll.
Nearly all registered voters surveyed — 86% — say they see paying taxes as every American’s civic duty, while 12% say that they see taxes as an unnecessary burden to be avoided, according to a CNN/ORC poll released Monday.
The actual question? Here:
Which better describes your view of paying taxes:
It is every American’s civic duty to pay their fair share of taxes.
Taxes are an unnecessary burden and Americans should do everything they can to pay as little as possible.
Talk about biased. “Taxes are an unnecessary burden”? That immediately destroyed the credibility of the question. What should have been asked? A couple of things:
1. Do you pay more taxes than you owe?
2. Do you believe you should pay more taxes than you owe?
3. Are you aware that Hillary Clinton did exactly the same as Donald Trump to pay less in taxes?
That would have been truly enlightening and dare I say far more honest.
Then we come to the galactically idiotic Cher. She continues her disparaging diatribe directed at the Trump offspring:
While speaking at the One Young World Summit in Ottawa, Canada, singer and activist Cher not only slammed both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, she also attacked the GOP presidential candidate’s sons — Donald Trump, Jr., and Eric Trump — for posting an online picture of themselves holding a dead leopard they killed during a hunt in Africa.
Referring to the photograph, Cher declared: “I think that when that kind of message is sent from people who are influential, it’s the exact wrong message”…
She has no problem with killing animals for her frequently scanty leather outfits and has no objection to dismembering a baby the day before it’s born but legally hunting animals is a mortal sin in her aged celebrity sodden eyes.
The problem with all of this is that nothing about any of the above activities is illegal. The morality of it is an individual determination. How many times are we lorded over by liberals demanding that conservatives not impose their morals on others while they feel unrestrained in imposing theirs on us?
I really enjoy this video. It captures liberals perfectly.
These sorts of liberal attacks are both dishonest and misguided. If liberals have a problem with the tax laws as they are, then they should seek a legislative remedy for it. Of course, they won’t like the results once their own oxen start getting gored. If Cher doesn’t like hunting for sport, she should take it up with the appropriate governments in Africa and seek change. obama and democrats had two years to change the tax laws in the US. They didn’t do squat about it. One might think liberals would direct their faux umbrage toward those who failed them, but noooo.
Deduction shaming. Hunter shaming. These actions above are the equivalent of fat shaming. Shaming someone for doing nothing illegal is pathetic. Do we single out people on social media who engage in actions with which we disagree and berate and embarrass them incessantly? Do we hound them into seclusion? Is that what we’ve come to? Is that the America you want?
It is the America of hillary clinton. She smears Trump for doing precisely as she did and her idiot sycophants just sit there and drool. Were this a true democracy Hillary would no doubt be calling for a vote to put Donald Trump on trial for these imagined transgressions- Hillary’s version of of those held in Massachusetts in the late 1600’s.
The Chappaqua B*tch Trials.
UPDATE
I forgot- someone needs to ask hillary if she would have done any different than did Trump were she in his position. It;s a rhetorical question since she already did.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
Trump said he would show us his tax records. He now refuses to do so. If not paying your fair share in taxes is nothing to be ashamed about, is there something WORSE about his taxes that might come out ?
What do you think that might be Dr J?
Trump said he would show us his tax records. He now refuses to do so. If not paying your fair share in taxes is nothing to be ashamed about, is there something WORSE about his taxes that might come out ?
What do you think that might be Dr J?
@john:
What is his fair share, John? Please point us to the “Fair Share” section of the US Tax Code
Pop Honesty Quiz:
Would you have done differently than he?
Finding out whether or not Trump avoided paying federal taxes for the past 18 years is not the only reason we should want to see his tax returns. The question concerning of conflicts of interest is far more important.
Donald Trump Jr, Executive Vice President of Development and Acquisitions for the Trump Organization, speaking at Cityscape USA’s Bridging US and the Emerging Real Estate Markets Conference, Manhattan, 2008:
Donald Trump, July 2016:
So, which of the above statements is true? Trump’s 2008 tax returns would probably answer that question.
Then we’ve got Trump’s claim that he can’t release his tax returns because they’re under audit. This is not true. An audit does not prevent someone from releasing their returns to begin with. Additionally, it’s known for a fact that 2008 and earlier years are no longer being audited, and that the IRS has has administratively closed those years from any further consideration. Trump’s tax attorneys inadvertently provided proof of that themselves, when they produced a letter from the IRS to document that 2014 and 2015 are still under review. Refer to the third paragraph of that letter. (The link is to a pdf copy.)
Does anyone truly believe extensive financial entanglements with Russian investors would not represent a potentially serious conflict of interests on the part of a U.S. president?
Should that not be seen even more as a red flag, when the candidate in question has repeatedly made favorable comments about the leader of the Russian oligarchy, and when it appears Russian hackers have repeatedly targeted his opponent with the intent of influencing the outcome of the U.S. presidential election?
These are real and very serious questions, not something imaginary. They could be quickly resolved, if Trump would do what every presidential candidate has done for the past 40 years. He could certainly release his tax returns through 2008. They’re not under audit.
it is not in the tax code Dr J it is not actually a legal term
But Americans have a pretty good idea of what they think a fair share is and will vote accordingly.
If you don’t know what “fair” is at your age you never will know its meaning.
With one month left in the polls it looks quite probable that Trump will soon be just a funny footnote in our nation’s history. Thankfully he will also probably cost the GOP the Senate, which will also mean the SCOTUS goes left too.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
The favorite lie of the left is a lie by omission.
For instance: D Trump was/is a bad businessman cause his casino had problems”
Prior to the 1980s, the ONLY place gambling was legal in the US was Nevada (Las Vegas)
Then in the mid to late 70s a few places allowed lottery tickets as they didn’t like the fact the mob was making money in the numbers racket (and they promised the money would go to schools. However what they did was use lottery money for schools, and subtract the same amount from the budget so people got tricked. They ASSUMED the money would be ADDED, but it REPLACED instead, and so the left had more money for social programs and the kids and schools got screwed)
Then the 1980s came and I lost all my teachers to be croupiers to Atlantic City (AC)
So what happened?
The supreme court ruled about the Indian reservations and businesses!!!
[why in all this brouhaha am I the only person that seems to remember this???]
And so…
They opened up places like Mohegan sun, and others which negated all the travel to AC to gamble
There was no way to foresee in the 1980s that the Indian reservations would be legally different
It was called the Cabazon decision.
It created 350 tribal casinos in 28 states almost overnight…
Soooooo..
It wasn’t Trumps bad business…
The Las Vegas monopoly was broken by AC Casinos
[if it wasn’t for Castro, Cuba would have been before AC]
One place became two places that then became 350 places almost over night
And today, AC as a CITY is going bankrupt, and the nails in its coffin will be the new vote in Jersey over casino in north jersey
(stick it to another NJ black community by putting it in Newark? Or lift up the Poconos?)
But don’t wait for someone to pipe up at the press and tell you about Cabazon…
American indian gaming refers to casinos, bingo halls, and other gambling operations on Indian reservations or other tribal land in the United States. Because these areas have tribal sovereignty, states have limited ability to forbid gambling there, as codified by the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988. As of 2011, there were 460 gambling operations run by 240 tribes, with a total annual revenue of $27 billion
why travel so far when there is a reservation nearer?
AC lost all that vacation stuff… if you were not in NJ or NV, you had to take a vacation to go gamble or see the sites… AFTER, you could usually drive to a nearby location… (or much nearer than AC or Las Vegas)
Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Gaming_Regulatory_Act
The use of gaming to generate profit did not begin until the late 1970s and early 1980s within Indian communities. Several tribes, especially in California and Florida, opened bingo parlors as a way to earn revenue. Their actions were related to the search for new sources of revenue, given the emphasis the Reagan administration placed on economic self-sufficiency for the tribes.
see:
Bryan v. Itasca County
California v. Cabazon Band of Mission Indians
@john:
given the outcome of finding out a legal deduction, and how its twisted, refusing to show it is just refusing to let them twist legal actions into an unfair idiots bias that the ignorant will swallow hook line and sinker…
@Greg: So, which of the above statements is true? Trump’s 2008 tax returns would probably answer that question.
Both… duh.. but you have to read well to get it… duh
the first statement is by Donald Trump Jr, as to his work, and whats going on, and what he associates with…
the second is Donald Trump saying “I”, and he never dealt with them
TWO different people, and an ignorant view of companies actions, who does waht, and what someone is associated with or not.
Donald has 560 companies..
you think he sits in on every deal, every note, every meeting for ALL of them?
Thats more than two conpany meetings a day for a year to cover them all and he would only have that one meeting in a year.
IF you think thats what ANY businessman does with a lot of holdings then you have no idea of the concept of delegation
IF i send someone to meet X, i did not meet X someone else did
so read it, and think..
its not a lie, or a contradiction.
Trump deals with his businesses at a higher level
Trump Jr did not have to deal wiht putin to deal with russians
i used to work around Dave from Sesame street, and Parish hilton, and lots of luminaires as a photographer (i also work in research computing for a medical college and hospital)… they met me, i met them, we chated, but no one would say i knew Seal, or Noot Seer, etc..
sheesh
@Greg: Then we’ve got Trump’s claim that he can’t release his tax returns because they’re under audit. This is not true. An audit does not prevent someone from releasing their returns to begin with.
no, not by LAW
but if your arrested you have the right to be silent
would your lawyer tell you to speak up, chat, and all that without you?
and unlike politicos who get SALARY, Trump gets dividends and in his returns are tax strategies for 560 companies that his competitors could use, cause they arent going to show him, are they?
the point here is that they are trying to either bait him into actions that could ruin him, or hurt him for refusing to let them bait him. and us poor sods are idiots for letting them do that the same way they did similar with the banks
dont loan to people who cant pay?
your a racist refusing to loan to minorities and women
loan to people who cant pay?
your a loan predator… taking advantage of those poor people
because WE as people did not stick up for the banks, they were left to try to find a way out of that… and they did… they bundled the bad withthe good the way magazine distributors in nyc area do. you want people mag, you have to take other mags that dont sell and then get credit.
if we stuck up for the banks and all that the community people could not have played this game, the loans would not have been made and what wouldnt have happened?
sigh
Funny how no Lefties are pissy that the IRS is dragging its feet with regards Trump’s most recent tax filings.
He has been audited EVERY YEAR and NEVER had to pay even a fine or penalty!
Yet the IRS ties up Trump’s latest (and therefore ALL past ones, too) tax filing in legal red tape.
Get mad that them!
Forget getting mad at Trump.
EVERYONE who has ever been audited is told by their own lawyers to keep all their taxes confidential until their audit is over, not just Trump.
A businessman like Trump most likely has confidential matters regarding OTHER PEOPLE inside their various tax forms!
To release it all would be illegal because they, too, are guaranteed confidentiality.
I wonder if Obama will ”throw the book” at the NYTimes for breaking that law?
I wonder if Obama will order the IRS to either ”$#!+ or get off the pot” with regards Trumps current taxes.
He could.
Then, problem solved.
Oh, and GREAT CATCH, Artfldgr.
Yes, that was the reason Trump began having tax problems with his casinos.
That was when our local ”injuns,” (actually, just small, powerful cliques within each tribe) became moguls running local casinos.
@Artfldgr, #8:
I think he knows very well who he is financially connected with, who he has the upper hand over, and who might have the upper hand over him. I think those relationships have been the central focus of his existence for decades. Donald Jr. is his understudy.
@Greg:
Luntz focus group: Yeah, we don’t care about Trump’s taxes, but Hillary’s emails…
@Greg:
How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off the Haitian Poor
I would bet their might be a little mixed race bj junior roaming are Haiti given bill clintons proclivity to rape women…..
@john:
John, I missed your answer. Were you in Trump’s shoes, would you have done differently?
Trump is a private citizen. He doesn’t have to show squat. As far as his tax write off, hil -liary’s campaign admitted she used the same legal write-off . BTW bill gates, mark cuban and the other 1% ers use it too.
Additionally, Trump lost 1 million of his own money, but hil-liary lost 6 BILLION of our money. Why isn’t that being questioned? Don’t answer, I already know.
@john: John, like every liberal, without fail, who is asked the question what is a “fair share”, you cannot state a percentage, perhaps for fear that the rich are already paying a higher percentage than that, or that people less fortunate will realize that the percentage you state is anything but “fair”. Don’t change the subject. Please tell us what percentage of any person’s money is a “fair share” to be paid in taxation?
And please forgive me if I don’t hold my breath waiting for you to reply.
@Mike aka Proof:
Good point, Proof.
To quote a Senator: “You got the top 2 percent paying almost half of all income taxes. Is that fair?” Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.
Sen. Kyl says, “The argument that top-tier earners are not doing enough just does not hold water.”
What about the IRS?
IRS figures show:
the top 1 percent of earners take home 16.9 percent of the nation’s total income, but pay 36.7 percent of the nation’s income taxes.
The top 5 percent take home a little more than 31 percent of total income but pay almost 59 percent of all income taxes.
And the top 10 percent earn just over 43 percent of the total income but pay more than 70 percent of all income taxes.
Close to half of American workers pay no federal income taxes at all.
Is THAT their ”fair share?”
Senator Kyl notes, “people who do not share in the sacrifice of paying taxes have little direct incentive to care whether the government is spending and taxing too much.”
Obama’s ”fairness” message did not resonate.
All these quotes and stats were from just before Obama LOST even more seats in both the House and the Senate.
Is Obama even bothering with ”fairness in tax” anymore?
Or is it just a ploy to attack Trump?
@Nanny G:
So you are claiming that Donald Trump has been audited “EVERY YEAR”? Since he has been in business? Every year since when? And where is your proof that he has been audited “every year” since ??? And audited by WHO? The IRS or his own tax attorneys?
@retire05: Every Year, since 2002, retireo:
Here’s CNN:
This from Trump’s tax law team to Trump:
@Nanny G:
I’m sure you are equally believing of anything Hillary’s lawyers say, as well, right?
A closed examination is just that, closed. The only thing that would roll over would be depreciation on items that would have been amortized on a yearly schedule (five years or ten years, etc.).
@Enchanted, #15:
He should remain so—and then it won’t be a national security issue whether he’s owned by the Russian oligarchy or not.
BTW bill gates, mark cuban and the other 1% ers use it too. ..
sorry.. its not a 1% thing.. say you buy stock.. and you lose like i did…
i lost 16k… that law applies to me too.. if you buy a home, and its value goes down, and you have to sell, want to guess which paper you file?
its a law anyone who tries to invest has available to them. and is common if you buy and sell stocks or exchange traded funds… and no, you dont have to be wealthy to buy stocks… every 14 dollars for a KKR stock will get you a dividend factory that dishes out $1 a year in dividends… $0.25 a quarter
by the way, the banks WANT you to earn money in stocks, they go way way way out of the way to teach you, help you, and such… really… they make money on transactions and broke people make few transactions compared to successful traders… and no, you dont need a lot…
and you can sure guarantee that without that peoples retirement and pensions and all that would be compromised to heck.. and dont forget that this doesnt just apply to real estate, business investment, stocks, but it also applies to bonds… and guess what? cities, and all that invest in bonds and on and on, so its a huge thing that the left is attacking that keeps the gears turning and people willing to invest… (as does some other things that people are taught to hate that they shouldnt, like fractional reserves. its not that their bad its that the state sets the value, and if the state sets it too high, oh oh.. .too low, and it underperforms… even worse, given its a fixed number that does not take in account asset classes, changing conditions, etc… its like one size fits all clothing… great if your the right size, crap for everyone else. and its point is not to make it safe, but to put the state in control of the production rate like a handle on a valve, and to remove liability from the banks who would suffer their fate and fail if they set their own!!!!! ie. the dem fix made it worse for the future)
but the issue here really is that you and others really should spend at least 1/5th your entertaiment time on learning how the world works, how to invest, what the laws and programs are to help or hinder…
why?
well, think about it… we spend more time watching movies , sports… or jogging, or in the garden than we spend on finances and what to really know and understand about it in our lives!!!! and we complain that our financial gardens are fallow, and full of weeds and doesnt perform or we dont even do anything till its mostly too late.
take that $14 stock… work a summer job as a kid and if you could buy a car, you could buy 100 shares. go here to do the calculations to the results i am telling you.
you buy 100 shares for $14 dollars at 20 years of age..
the stock stays at the same price and doesnt change (though 5%-7% is averge for long term), the dividend remains fixed, and your initial investment was $1,400… and any account today can automate reinvesting the dividends.
[and if in a tax deferred acount, no taxes on it]
if you left it for 40 years till you were 60..
you would have 1,579 shares worth $22,113 the growth averaged 7%
yet the stock price was fixed and the dividend was fixed.
if you invested in a stock like RPM 40 years ago, you would have a company shares that increased their divident EVERY year over those 40 years and whose stock price has doubled several times in that period. it would be a LOT more than the example above.
in 1992 RPM was $9… it had a dividend of .06 cents.
if you bought 100 shares, it was $900
today those shares are $50 each and worth $5000
but actually more, as the stock split several times, three times 5 shares for 4 and once 3 shares for 2..
so 5/4 gives you 125 shares.
then 3/2 makes it 187 shares
then 5/4 makes it 233 shares
and one last time 5/4 291 shares
worth $14,562 today
however, thats just share value, the dividend started at .06 and now its 0.27
basically the amount of shares and their value would be quite a bit higher than above. (about 70,000)
and all you had to do was spend 900…
and in the 1990s there were discount brokers so it was possible
my oversold point is that you get out what you put in
these people invest and play the game of life
the rest of everyone avoids the game of life trying to entertain themselves till live bangs on their door and they then are upset that things are not what they wanted or luck didnt work out.
and before you tell me its too hard.. its not
its hard making more than that faster.
but if you do 100 shares of mcdonalds in the same year it was 14 like kkr
today, it had two 2/1 splits… and you would have 400 shares worth 113 each.
for an initial investment of 1400 and leave it alone for 25 years – $50,000
they dont cheat, they have time on their side
when others are playing and all that, they are earning and working it
they are investing and so on.
they are the ants and the grasshoppers who had fun avoiding life are pissed ad those who had fun living life…
if it rambles sorry, my wife and such kept interupting… sigh
@Greg:
Russia has also been a big success for hillary
You think Obama will spew forth with one of his, “That’s not who we are.”?
@john: #1 & 2 (how appropriate) How much taxes does one owe when one loses income? See, that’s what reporting a loss is.
@Greg:
Do you think the bribes Hillary has received from governments all around the world would present a conflict of interest? Do her incriminating emails she made available to every antagonistic government in the world present a potential blackmail threat?
@DrJohn:
Doc…. really.
Where is the left wing outrage at Buffett? He didn’t take a deduction… he simply refuses to pay $1 billion in taxes he OWES. Where is the outrage at a guy that says we don’t pay enough taxes, the wealthy should pay MORE, yet he stiffs the people for a billion bucks? Principles do not matter to liberals; they have but one they live by; use EVERYTHING for a political end.
@DrJohn:
I actually agree with you DJ. I give Trump a pass on not paying taxes because I too take as many legitimate deductions as I possibly can. .
Now of course the ridicule he’s getting is fair game and the mega quotes popping up of him bashing non tax payers and bragging of his further proves his dishonesty and hypocrisy but at the end of the day, I don’t blame him a bit. Give me a legal loophole on taxes and damn straight I’ll take it.
Now, to callously screw contractors and workers out of their money after doing a job well done for him and then bragging that it’s “good business” is an entirely different thing. That’s telling of his regard of people trying to make a honest living, telling of just how devious and evil the man is, and telling of how dangerous this egomaniac con man would be in a position of such power.
Trump’s tax records are irrelevant: Just a witch-hunt.
Most American’s believe that Hillary has broken the law and not been held accountable, so this is an anemic attempt to try and “balance” things, as the shills know voting for Hillary is absurd.
@Greg: More proof that Hillary is working for Russia, than anything else.
Trump clearly has no ties to Russia, and it’s a small desperate part of the country that stands to lose money when Hillary loses that are trying, pathetically, to engineer this “Russia is backing Trump” myth.
But hey, who cares what a paid trolls says.
@Ajay42302: Of course, when an enterprise declares bankruptcy, those owed money get “screwed”. But, in these cases, people like Trump are not “screwing” the contractors… like with his tax deduction, he is utilizing the legal system.
Of course, as long as we are speculating wildly and broadly, whose to say the contractors were not “screwing” Trump?
It’s not like Trump violated the process and picked and chose who got paid and who didn’t… like Obama did in the GM case. Funny how those so worried about the poor, stiffed contractors never gave the legal bond holders that had financed GM who Obama screwed over in favor of his union supporters a single thought.
@Bill… Deplorable Me:
You continue to try to paint Trump something he isn’t. The real question isn’t is Trump has a long history of screwing workers and contractors. He has. It isn’t if bigotry hasn’t been the cornerstone of his campaign. It has. It isn’t that he has been divisive, incited violence, is an egotist, a sexist, and the many many things that he is. He is all of those.
The question is if we can stomach Trump with all of his faults and deficiencies over Hillary.
You’ve said you’d vote for most any dictator or murderer or even the devil over Hillary so we know where you stand. For you, there’s obviously no possible disqualifer for Trump, that you’d vote for him regardless of any heinous act or evil intentions he has.
I can give him a pass on not paying taxes because it’s simply the American way to utilize any law or loophole to avoid taxes. It isn’t the American way (and it should never ever become the American way) to normalize outright stealing and cheating contractors and workers out of their money for a job well done. Trump has a long long history of this and openly admitted to it during the debate as “good business”.
So again, it isn’t a question of if he’s done it or if he’s admitted to it or even if he’s proud of it. The answer is yes to all. It’s a question of if one can still vote to place such a vile con man in the White House.
@Greg:
So you’re concerned about foreign investors in some of Trump’s businesses, but completely unconcerned about the foreign megadonors to the Clinton Foundation who were granted favors while Clinton was Secretary of State?
On the one hand, we have only a possible future conflict of interest, which seems to worry you, but on the other hand we have a definite conflict of interest (and at least the appearance of impropriety) that already happened, to which you seem completely unconcerned.
There’s a word for people like you. It starts with an “h” and ends with “ypocrite”.
@Bill… Deplorable Me: ” Funny how those so worried about the poor, stiffed contractors never gave the legal bond holders that had financed GM who Obama screwed over in favor of his union supporters a single thought. ”
Because they obviously don’t care about the results of bankruptcy proceedings at all. They just think it’s a convenient cudgel to bash Trump, and they have no shame about being seen as hypocrites. See, you have to actually have a moral compass to feel shame.
@Ajay42302:
No, he hasn’t. You’re a liar.
No, it hasn’t. You’re a liar. (I would ask for one… just ONE… example, but we’ve been down that road numerous times. You’ve shown yourself to be a cowardly liar in those instances)
No, he isn’t. You’re a liar.
No, I haven’t. You’re a liar.
As is clearly, vividly, obviously shown above, that vast majority of Trumps faults are creations of the corrupt media, the corrupt left and those useful idiots that propagate them. Liars, if you will, particularly when they have been shown the facts.
However, Hillary’s faults are historical. They are etched in stone. She trafficked in US influence to get rich. She ignored her duties and got a consulate sacked, an ambassador and three other Americans murdered… then lied about it. She created a power vacuum in Iraq and Libya which created the growth culture ISIS was waiting for. She served up classified information on a stupidity buffet… and lied about it. Without a record to brag about, she makes use of race baiting and inciting violence. She has shown herself in a job interview for the Presidency to be seriously incompetent.
So, we have your lies compared to Hillary’s record of disaster. It’s really not that difficult a choice. I’m not sure what the decision making process of cowardly liars is, though, so you are most likely voting for Hillary, the corrupt, inept, thieving liar, because of the birds of a feather factor.
@Jack Wilson:
Your half baked rubber/glue justification for a man of power to steal is simply stupid.
Such kowtowing to blatant thuggery does not need to become the norm no more than the idea that the rich and powerful has a right to grope women’s vaginas at will.
@Bill… Deplorable Me, #34:
Ah, but he has. Trump has a well-documented history of stiffing people for the agreed upon payment after the work has been done. The fact that you refuse to take in any information that reflects poorly on Trump doesn’t mean that others haven’t done so. There’s a lot of it to take in.
@Greg: Has Trump or any of his organizations carried on a pay to play scheme with our enemies?? Has Trump lost $Billions of taxpayer dollars?? Has Trump got a hummer in the White House or blamed Republicans for it?? Greggie when you put it on a scale hilldabeast comes out the loser!!
@Greg: I see we need some definitions of terms.
For one, violating signed regulations and breaking security laws is not “a mistake”, to be rectified with a little, “Ooopsie, my bad.”
Also, a bankruptcy leaves some debtors and contractors without payment or with reduced payment. Nobody’s happy, but being “stiffed” is a matter of perspective.
Mrs clinton is a liar and a criminal, period….
@July 4th American, #39:
She’s not a criminal unless someone has established her to be guilty of some crime in a court with actual evidence—which her political enemies have failed to do even once, despite decades of trying.
They have never come up with enough credible evidence even to bring charges, let alone to successfully prosecute.
@Bill… Deplorable Me: And The Donald says he wants to fuck some married woman and because he’s a star he can grab a woman’s pussy–but his supporters the deplorables don’t care because——-like him they’re deplorable
@Richard Wheeler: Given you voted twice for someone for President who has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harrassment and who liked doing things with cigars to women other than smoking them and who is an adultrer, what does that make you? Your hypocrisy is showing again. Either that or you and the rest of the Hillashills have begun trying to deflect attention away from the damaging leaks that came out within the last 24 hours including the ones just released a few hours ago from the guy who “doesn’t have squat”, Julian Assange. Her privately stated desire for open borders should send chills down the spine of every American who values our national sovereignty.
I wonder what type of irrelevant shit you guys will come up with to discredit my dogs should they begin to gain in the polls against your anointed President.
@another vet: What are you talking about? Trump is finished –good riddance. I would think you’d agree.
@Greg:
Well, lying under oath before Congress is a crime. It being on video is proof. Just because the left has turned the DoJ and FBI into a version of the Gestapo for the Democrat party and refuse to honestly investigate and prosecute violations by liberals does not imply innocence and only emphasizes how important it is to keep Hillary OUT of the White House.
@Richard Wheeler:
And Bill actually DID it and Hillary actually attacked and vilified the VICTIMS. I find Trump’s remarks reprehensible, but I still have to balance it out with Bill and Hillary’s history; it is disgusting that Trump talks about doing what Bill DID. A poor choice, to be sure, but Trump is still a better choice than an incompetent lying criminal that enabled her husband to continue sexually assaulting women.
Trump has apologized. Did Bill or Hillary ever apologize?
Trump probably is done… the media will harp on this while they deny the obvious parallels with the Clinton’s and ignore the revealed statements made to her Wall Street string-pullers, pledging to open borders and open trade, killing jobs and welcoming in even MORE illegal immigrants. Hillary kow-towing to those she promises to rein in (she even states she has a private position and a public position… in other words, she is LYING) and is far more damaging to the health of the nation than Trump talking nasty ten years ago.
What a choice… but Hillary is terrible, corrupt and incompetent and she has PROVEN it herself.
Why is my post kicked back for copying the words YOU already posted? THAT’S weird.
@Bill… Deplorable Me:
And did it ever occur to you that when you have to make excuses for one candidate’s unacceptable behavior by comparing the degree of unacceptability to his opponent, the nation is scr*wed?? Americans have the right to expect more from the person that wants to represent them in the most powerful office in the entire world.
@Richard Wheeler: Given the priorities of the American people, the PC nature that has engulfed the country, and the MSM’s infuleunce on getting the “news” out there, I fully expect that someone making comments five years ago that are similar to what a good number of heterosexual males have probably made in private certainly has more of a negative effect than the revelation of someone: wanting open borders, being in bed with Wall Street, and having private policy positions that are different than the ones stated in public. If we were to emphasize the big things instead of the little things, it would be the other way around.
@Greg: Isn’t it a concern that others have been not only charged, but prosecuted and convicted for lesser crimes? The fix is in by this administration. When the administration is involved in protecting a presidential candidate (check out the emails) that comprises a criminal enterprise.
@retire05:
The standards have been lowered the last 7 years and it will continue regardless of the outcome in November. This country is going the way of the Roman Republic and unless the American people themselves change, expect more of the same.
@another vet:
It’s rather feeble logic to exonerate Trump because, well, “Bill Clinton did nasty things too ya know”.
But Trump’s mindset of “just grab them by the p—-y” and “try to f–k them” because when you have power they have to “just let you do it” because you’re a “superstar” isn’t just limited to women. It’s his take on taxes, on contractors, on workers who did a job well done, on the economy,on people who disagree with him and even on America. You know, “get em outa here”, take their coats and throw them to the cold”, beat the hell out of them”, “punch them in the face” not paying the bills for those that provided you a service is “smart business”, and on and on and on.. It’s who Trump is, a disgusting con man who thinks he’s entitled to rob and rape the country and his countrymen/women because of his elite status. He’s like a spoiled rotten 7th grader who prides himself on stealing the 3rd graders lunch money, only on steroids.
And even in your weak tea argument of “Bill did it too”, seems like a perfect time to nip this new monster in the bud and never put him near the White House-lest you yourself be guilty of electing another Bill Clinton.
@retire05: Based on the release of this video, we have a choice between two people who objectify women (unless you want to vote for the cow lawyer). One distinguishing feature, though, is that Trump talked about doing things but Bill Clinton DID it… and Hillary attacked the victims. So, which was worse?
Trump stated a fact; that powerful men can pretty much do whatever they want to women. Bill Clinton exercised that fact, sending Arkansas State Troopers out to round up victims. Which was worse?
So, the treatment of women by the Clinton’s and Trump’s disgusting remarks cancel each other out (unless you are a liberal that doesn’t really care about the abuse, only what is useful politically). Wipe the slate clean.
Then you have Hillary parroting the same ideas that Soros has to her Wall Street controllers. She also states that she has policies for public consumption and her REAL policies. Furthermore, she believes (as long as the money keeps flowing her way) Wall Street should be allowed to police themselves… how divergent is THAT from her public positions?
No, absolutely we have bad options to choose from. But Hillary is still the DANGEROUS choice and needs to be defeated. Personally, I wish Cruz was running; that would be a rout. But, he’s not and Hillary is. Electing Hillary is the same as electing Soros or any of her other big-money supporters and I can’t abide by that.