Concrete proof that Politifact and are biased liars

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September 2, 2015: CNN reports that as many as 300,000 vets have died waiting for treatment at VA hospitals based on a report by the Virginia Inspector General:

(CNN)Hundreds of thousands of veterans listed in the Department of Veterans Affairs enrollment system died before their applications for care were processed, according to a report issued Wednesday.

The VA’s inspector general found that out of about 800,000 records stalled in the agency’s system for managing health care enrollment, there were more than 307,000 records that belonged to veterans who had died months or years in the past. The inspector general said due to limitations in the system’s data, the number of records did not necessarily represent veterans actively seeking enrollment in VA health care.

In a response to a request by the House Committee on Veterans Affairs’ to investigate a whistleblower’s allegations of mismanagement at the VA’s Health Eligibility Center, the inspector general also found VA staffers incorrectly marked unprocessed applications and may have deleted 10,000 or more records in the last five years.

In one case, a veteran who applied for VA care in 1998 was placed in “pending” status for 14 years. Another veteran who passed away in 1988 was found to have an unprocessed record lingering in 2014, the investigation found.

For more than a year, CNN investigated and reported on veterans’ deaths and delays at VA facilities across the country, including detailed investigations in November 2013 and January 2014 examining deaths at two VA facilities in South Carolina and Georgia.

So CNN reported it initially. Using the reports, Carly Fiorina repeats the story.


Carly Fiorina on several occasions has said 307,000 veterans have died while waiting for care from the Veterans Health Administration. In one instance, she said all of those veterans “died in the last year,” citing a recent inspector general’s report. But that’s not what the report says.
The VA Office of the Inspector General report said 307,173 of nearly 867,000 pending VA applications belonged to individuals who died. But poor record-keeping made it impossible to say how many of them died while waiting for care or how many of them even applied for care.
The report also said 84 percent of those who died, or 258,367 individuals, died more than four years ago — not last year.

Fiorina, a Republican candidate for president, has made the VA report a staple of her recent speeches. At the National Federation of Republican Women Convention in Phoenix, Arizona, on Sept. 11, Fiorina said that “just last month, we got a report that 307,000 veterans have died waiting for an appointment.”
Similarly, she told an audience at the Stretch Kennedy annual picnic in New Hampshire on Sept. 12 that “307,000 veterans had died in the last year waiting for health care.”

Fiorina repeated the claim twice during CNN’s prime-time GOP debate on Sept. 16. After the debate, a viewer, and a self-proclaimed veteran, asked us to check Fiorina’s claim.

On Sept. 2, the VA Office of the Inspector General released a report titled “Veterans Health Administration: Review of Alleged Mismanagement at the Health Eligibility Center.” The report addressed four questions about the eligibility center, including an allegation first reported by the Atlanta Journal Constitution last year that more than 47,000 veterans died while their applications were still pending.

Bottom line?

Fiorina’s Unsupported Claim about VA Deaths

Donald Trump made campaign statements using the same information. Cue Politifact:

Donald Trump came to the U.S. Navy stronghold of Norfolk on Halloween afternoon to announce his plan to fix the “disaster” at the Department of Veterans Affairs.

“The current state of the Department of Veterans Affairs is absolutely unacceptable,” Trump said at a rally in front of the retired battleship USS Wisconsin. “Over 300,000 – and this is hard to believe, and it’s actually much more than that now – over 300,000 veterans died waiting for care.”

We decided to check Trump’s claim, which also has been made by Carly Fiorina, one of his rivals for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.

Bottom line?


Now, did either or Politifact take issue directly with CNN, the source of the information?

Nooooooooo, they waited and then seized upon Fiorina and Trump instead when they repeated the information they read and bashed the GOP candidates instead of the originators of the story.

Let’s rate them.


The results are conclusive

DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.

20 Responses to “Concrete proof that Politifact and are biased liars”

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    Nanny G
    You gotta see those photos!
    From the IG’s report: “We noticed floors bowing under the excess weight to the extent that the tops of file cabinets were noticeably unlevel throughout the storage area.”

    Veterans Affairs Administration Inspector General’s report that points out that at one VA center, a regional office in Winston-Salem, N.C., had so much paper that it “created an unsafe workspace for (VA) employees and appeared to have the potential to compromise the integrity of the building.”

    But Carly and Donald are selling a lie, right, ”PolIFACT.”

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    Dr J
    Why did you never quit your well paying job and go to work at the VA?
    Conservatives are always complaining about the work that teachers, the VA the IRS does but they never seem to want to work at those places and serve others.
    Dr J how many times have YOU volunteered to go the West Roxbury VA?
    The GOP has had many opportunities to give me funding to the VA they always say NO

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    Why did you never quit your well paying job and go to work at the VA?

    Here’s a better idea; why don’t liberals like yourself stop supporting lying Democrats that throw other people’s money at problems instead of holding government employees accountable? It’s people like you that keep rewarding failure, preferring to have an issue to blame on the political opposition (though one of your own Presidential candidate has had oversight over the VA).

    If the VA simply needs more funding, why are they burning off cash every year to spend their budget so they can keep getting increases?

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    Trump wants to make it easier for Veterans to visit ‘regular’ doctors instead of dealing with this bull crap…Private vs Government Run and directed? Private doctors wins hands down…
    ..just have to create safe guards against fraud…fraud from people pretending they are veterans…puke!

  5. 10

    Robert What?

    Never believe an organization who name themselves FactCheck” or some such nonsense. Like they are going to set it straight. They are just a bunch of SJW Democrat operatives running flak for the Obama Administration. Even the once venerable Snopes have let their Democrat political leanings influence their “fact checking” and are no longer as reliable as they once were. Of course, they could just be afraid of consequences if they spoke factually about certain subjects. In that case best to avoid those subjects entirely than provide disinformation as fact. At least they’d still have their reputation.

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    Donald S

    I only have one comment about Dr. John’s blog on the statement he made:

    “DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.”

    How profound John! As if anyone with an ounce of common sense didn’t know this already. I am an example of working hard for years, and when nothing became of it the self fulfilling part of “but nothing in life is guaranteed”, was realized.

    Instead of writing and publishing your opinion’s you should help young people starting out in life, after age 18, choose a clear path to do something that is mostly guaranteed to “do well” as you put it.

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    Preemptively discrediting all sources of contrary information is a common propaganda technique used by totalitarian leaders and fanatical cult leaders. It’s one of the ways mobs are controlled and manipulated.

    Politifact and generally provide multiple sources that support their statements and conclusions. Unlike the right wing media, the sources aren’t limited to other outlets that simply echo what they hear the others saying.

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    Dr John, you are not making the point you think you are making. This article of yours shows only that CNN reported information that is incorrect, not that Politifact or are liars. Both sites had the facts as reported from the VHA, you are taking offense to the fact that they didn’t fact check CNN. That is not the same as lying, that is an omission of a fact check of one source, CNN. Biased in selection on what gets fact checked, but not lying on the part of these two websites.

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    THEY did not that the veterans thing is not true it says that it wasn’t confirmed what they were checking was Donald Trump statements which state determined was partly false or mostly false whatever the rating was which is in fact accurate. Furthermore why would they use CNN to factcheck CNN? They can clearly see what they reported. Maybe the other party could not be reached or they had no information to reach them. It doesn’t say so one can only speculate that. is the most unbiased checker there is.

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