Sorry, Donald, this is just wrong. It’s why I don’t like you

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Donald Trump hurled some personal invective at Carly Fiorina yesterday:

The GOP front-runner added to his ever-expanding laundry list of questionable comments aimed at women with a knock at Carly Fiorina’s physical appearance made during a recent interview with Rolling Stone magazine.

“Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?” Trump reportedly bellowed while watching his Republican presidential rival on the news. “I mean, she’s a woman, and I’m not s’posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?”

In the face of criticism, Trump backtracked- sort of:

But asked Thursday on Fox News whether he was talking about Fiorina’s physical appearance, Trump insisted he wasn’t: “No,” he said, he was speaking about “the persona, the persona.”

“I say that about a lot of people,” he said. “I say look at that. Look at that — how does that — that’s not our president. That’s not going to be our president!”

“Probably I did say something like that about Carly,” Trump added, but “I’m talking about persona. I’m not talking about looks.”

Bullsh*t.

Trump has a history of real nastiness with women. He alluded to Megyn Kelly menstruating:

“She gets out and starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions,” Trump told Lemon. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.”

Trump also called Kelly a “bimbo” and called Rosie O’Donnell a “fat pig” and a “dog.”

While I am tempted to smirk at the O’Donnell insults, it’s still not fitting of a President. It reminds me of Obama calling Sarah Palin a pig. I’ll have more to say about that soon.

Trump doesn’t simply respond to his opposition in a political manner, he goes ad hominem in a big way.

I don’t like it. It’s not classy. It’s not dignified. It is Trump.

John Nolte says Trump fights like a leftist. He does. Specifically, he fights like Obama. Dirty. That could have been useful channeled properly, but not when he attacks a cancer survivor’s physical appearance- a fellow Republican yet.

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Let.s see, Rosie started the fight with Donald he just expressed his opinion like she did. Megyn, of the gotcha question, deserved the “bimbo” label. I no longer watch her show. As to Carley I thought that was and idiotic thing to say. But Donald is Donald. He at least brings interest to an otherwise very dull field of candidates. Donald is the news these days and it’s a long way to the primaries and election.

Like anything else with anyone else, Trump’s bombastic style is entertaining when directed at the proper targets. He seems to not understand this and chooses to lash out at anything and everything at any time. He is not doing himself any favors.

True, he acts like the left does… which is useful to draw out and expose more of the hypocrisy of the left. But Trump is right (and vocal) about so many things, it would really be best if he would cease and desist with the stupid insults at anyone that disagrees with or attacks him… what, exactly, did he expect to happen when he chose to run?

Wow, DJ, what a load of leftist poppycock and balderdash. I’m reminded of one of the greatest Americans in history, Sir Winston Churchill, who told a lady who had insulted him as a drunk, that in the morning he would be sober, but she would still be ugly. I don’t know if that lady was a cancer survivor or a lesbian, and i don’t care, but progressives just have to throw those asides in for “feelings”. I’m glad you’re offended, DJ. As it does on all progressives, offended looks good on you.

BTW, DJ, it’s you that went to Megan Kelly’s vaginal functions, not The Donald. Project much? I won’t call you Doctor because you don’t deserve it, and, yes, I did go to medical school.

Trump clearly has the intellectual capacity and the emotional maturity of a eight-year-old child. Albeit a spoiled one.

Of course, “the Donald” did come a long way from his starting point of a mere $250 million. Some say he would have been better putting his inheritance in a money-market fund.

He promises to hire real experts to run our country. Who knows who they’ll be or what they believe in? Of course, who really knows what Trump actually believes in? His consultants have unearthed a few popular positions for him to appear to champion and even crafted a catchy slogan for him. But he does come from a background of New York City beliefs and he speaks fondly of Bill and Hillary and their ideas. Like most of the obscenely rich folks, he does favor taking away the ability of the common folk to rebel and threaten his security with guns.

The old media loves pumping up, giving him all the publicity he loves while blocking conservative or libertarian candidates from the public eye. There are plenty others who can be outspoken about our problems and also maintain discipline over their mouths.

The Perfect Candidate

Does the Perfect Candidate exist or is the Perfect Candidate a delusion created by the media? We do not have the perfect candidate and we lack the single-purpose media that created the persona of Obama, the perfect candidate and an abysmal failure as a leader.

We conservatives are lucky to have several intelligent, non-establishment elites at the top positions in the polls. Each of them has flaws, defects in character, and deficits in the column of pure Conservatism; however, none of them are establishment dupes or latent Communists.

We have come to expect dignified debate from Republicans; some would call them boring skim milk type personalities, but Ronald was a fighter and he could stick the blade of biting comments deep and make it hurt. Donald is not stupid. He resorts to schoolyard taunts and insults, but unfortunately, this seems to be common discourse in the construction world and show business. I don’t like it, but I’ve seen it in both industries.

If you expect Donald to sit back and be scammed in a debate by Candy Crowley, while she reaches for a document she just happens to have concealed in her underwear, you will be unhappy with Donald. Personally, I like the idea of having someone who is ready to come out throwing hands and offering apologies to no one.

The blood comment was a strange one; I’ve heard it before, at least the part referring to blood in the eyes. It is a stretch to imagine menstrual blood in the next sentence, it just doesn’t make sense. I heard the remark live on TV and thought he just got lost in the diction, like many of us imperfect humans do on occasion.

The primary is our opportunity to get to know these candidates and watch them “evolve”. Yes, they will evolve and react differently to stress and the bias of the Democrat directed media. The games have only just begun, let the blood flow. (I hope I didn’t offend anyone who is overly-sensitive to menstrual blood, but like Donald, I don’t give a ‘d@mn’ about being politically correct.)

@Skookum:
Always good to hear from a voice I trust and admire. (no offense to Dr. John intended or implied)

Trump does run at the mouth in a most un-PC manner.
In this instance the context is interesting.
Trump had a long-time Rolling Stone reporter with him for HOURS.
The guy intended to do a fair report about Trump, based on both on-the-record and off-the-record remarks and happenings.
But when he got his raw material back to Rolling Stone his ”editor” who was also his “publisher,” insisted on taking over turning the material into an article.
This boss even went so far as to tell the reporter to call Trump on the phone and ask him many other questions, especially about the lavishness of the plane they were on for most of the interview. The reporter lost control of his own material to his boss.
Remember; this is the same boss who got a rape story 100% wrong recently.
This is the same boss who romanticized the Boston bomber by turning him into a pin-up on the cover of his magazine.
This boss has the same agenda as the rest of the liberal media: destroy Trump.
When they finish destroying Trump they will work through the rest until it is Bush V Clinton and a Clinton win, if she hangs on long enough.

All the above said, Trump should grow up with regards how ladies age.
His changing of wives as they age is sad and juvenile.
Judging us based on our looks is pretty bad and I hope Trump begins to treat all his time in front of any media as ”on-the-record,” so as to button up his loose lip in this regard.

@Nanny G: Nanny, I was a staff writer for several magazines and a contributor for several more. The pay wasn’t good back in the 80’s, so I ended up devoting myself to my business and letting the writing career fade. However, an editor can and will change your manuscript if he wants too. It is the nature of the business.

The only way to combat their creative license is to make your prose into a complex system of paragraphs that build upon each other; thus efforts to alter the work looks clumsy and awkward. Using humor as a backdrop also lessens the opportunity of revision.

The staff writer has more control, but he must stay within accepted boundaries or risk being terminated. Writing was fun, but treacherous and despite your best efforts, someone should end up with the most diametrically opposed view of your premise and you would ask. “What the heck did I write?”

Writers have fed material to Obama and Clinton from the get go. Our people don’t use a teleprompter; we are hearing their ideas. Surely, they are being coached on situations before interviews and there is a continuous learning curve. Mistakes will be made and recoveries will be judged. I like judging the candidates and their ideas, as opposed to who has the best speed writer with the best ideas, the guy I call the egg head behind the curtain.

@DrJohn: I was shocked to hear the attack directed at Carly, as well. Although, I am fortunate enough to work for people who knew Carly in the business world and according them, she was an abrasive business woman, and I like that. She knows the attack by Donald will put her in the headlights of millions of potential voters who can’t spell her name. She is a tough cookie. We don’t need to drop tears in our coffee worrying over the feelings of Carly.

I am tired of this notion that great leaders need to be nice guys. Great leaders are often mean miserable bastards. That doesn’t mean you need to attach importance to feminine beauty, as if all women are in a beauty contest. Thatcher and Meir are two of my feminine heroes and if Donald used his beauty criteria on the two, he would have failed miserably; besides, judging from the answers you hear from the average beauty contestant, feminine beauty is no indicator of wit or intellect.

The candidates will evolve. There is plenty of time for each of them to learn and recover from their mistakes.

@Charlie Gee: It’s good to hear from you as well.

@Bill: Has anyone in the present contest had to put up with more comments about their personal appearance than Donald Trump? I mean people even insist that he prove his hair is real and not a toupee’. Can you imagine the explosion if Trump talked about Moochelle’s wig? Or Carly’s wig? Let’s listen to the political message and forget about the personal traits that occur when persons are tired and worn out from long days and get caught in a ‘getcha’ moment. What Carly looks like is not going to influence how the president runs the government. If that was a measure, Obama would have had to leave office during his first week.

@DrJohn: no she’s not carly is a gop plant

Carly is a GOP plant to disrupt the election

@Redteam: Redteam, you would need to pay me about $200/Day to wear those white shoes the Donald likes, but I am not going to hold that against him. I have plenty of hair, but I never let it get over 3/8’s of an inch long. Should I look down on Donald because he likes to wear his longer than a college student? I think not. We can base our prejudices on more important things, like the type and color of his underwear; now, there is something that is really important.

Skook, what happened to your website?

@DrJohn:

I despise political correctness as well, but geez, what did Carly do to deserve what Trump said? She’s one of US.

You sure about that?

https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/carly-fiorina

And on the other candidate:

https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/donald-trump

@ck: Exhaustion.

@Skookum:

We conservatives are lucky to have several intelligent, non-establishment elites at the top positions in the polls.

I’ve looked at her positions. Carly (Like Perry and Carson,) is hardly a “strong” conservative unless you only compare her to Jeb Bush, Rubio, Christie, Graham, and Kasich.. While she’s not a complete progressive, she and all of them will support the US Chamber of Commerce agenda and a good many of the Establishment GOP tenets. Compared to all those I just listed, Walker, Jindal. Santorum, Trump, Rand Paul, Cruz (excepting his stance on immigration) and Huckabee are the most conservative candidates. (Although Huckabee and Walker are clearly conservative, both of them do support many establishment GOP positions.)

@Skookum: back when I was a teenager, we wore white bucks all the time. Loved those white shoes. I don’t really care how anyone wears their hair and I like it even less when someone has to comment on it. All I care about is the politics of their positions.

@Redteam: You have read enough of my material to recognize a feeble attempt at humor with the caveat

We can base our prejudices on more important things, like the type and color of his underwear; now, there is something that is really important.

@Skookum: I did, knew you were kidding. I doubt I would wear white bucks any longer but do wear white Nike’s. Don’t have to worry about the length of my hair.

@Ditto: Yes, I have read more and more on Carly and once those views become known, she will disappear in the rear view mirror of the public and I have more faith in the opinions of some of my customers who knew her in the business world. However, she can think on her feet and is no lightweight in the brain pan. Unlike Obama, she needs no teleprompter to speak to the public.

It is early and Perry has already thrown in the towel. The primary is a game of attrition, but some of the players are only dreaming.

@Skookum:

some of the players are only dreaming.

Such as Lindsay Graham

Who would you add to that list

@Skookum:

Oh I do think that she will perform excellently on the debate stage. I just can’t support many of her positions.

@Redteam: Unless there is some dramatic and un-forseen turnaround, several have dropped off the radar. Christie made his mistakes before Jesus was a cowboy on the plains of Jericho. Rubio condemned himself when he joined the Gang of Eight. He misread the public or maybe he was listening to the establishment advisors or maybe he thought Americans love the invaders, but he could have been a serious candidate. He has a charismatic style. Jindal was a very early favorite of mine. He is a young man and he has matured a great deal.

Americans of the Conservative persuasion are mad and bitter with people posing as conservatives during elections and playing the establishment game before they draw their first paycheck. I include myself in that growing group. It’s like being mean to the junkyard dog; eventually, he will grab a piece of your arse and rip you wide open. I am hoping this is what happens to all the lying bastards that have used the title of conservative, just to get elected.

Rand Paul got cross wired when he tried to bring Trump down; as we have seen, this is a losing strategy. Trump was on the right stump at the right moment in time and he is not afraid to tap into the anger of America and relieve the pressure. To challenge the winning formula is suicide, but the advisors have done so well in the past. If I was an advisor, I would advise my candidate to out-Trump Trump, In other words, come up with a concrete plan to accomplish what Trump says he is going to do. If you can’t come up with a plan, maybe you are the wrong person for the job.

I’m with you, Dr. John.

There’s no debating with Trumpeteers. It’s like trying to reason with a 9/11 Truther (b-b-bu-but: Building 7!!!) or arguing with Ron Paul Bearers. Total waste of time.

The angry-as-hell-not-gonna-take-it-anymore-pick-up-my-ball-up-and-go-home-kickout-the-RINOs-and-shrink-the-party-conservative-purists (while denying they are purists) are enraptured by a cult of personality. They are choosing style over substance; and willfully ignoring that there is nothing in Trump’s history that shows any consistency or loyalty to conservative principles and sticking to core beliefs. He’s as constant as a weathervane. He is appealing to conservative emotionalism.

@Skookum: I agree about Christie. Hugging BHO was the last straw for him. I’ve said often that Rubio and Bush would take down what little border fence we have. They would just open the doors.
Lot’s of people disagree, but I still believe there is such a thing as Natural Born Citizen and Rubio, Cruz and Jindal ain’t one. If a person was not born of two American citizens parents, then they don’t fulfil the requirement. I might would be for Cruz were it not for that.

Americans of the Conservative persuasion are mad and bitter with people posing as conservatives during elections and playing the establishment game before they draw their first paycheck.

Boehner, McConnell, McCain quickly come to mind. But there are quite a few others.

@Wordsmith:

They are choosing style over substance; and willfully ignoring that there is nothing in Trump’s history

But which Republican has something in his history which says that he is what the country needs?

He’s as constant as a weathervane.

Sounds like all the other Republicans. They have complete control of the congress and are not doing a damned thing with it. Pass that 51 votes break a filibuster that the Dimocrats crammed down their throats. the Dimocrats didn’t have any problems being politicians, why should the Repubs?
Trump is saying what about 80% of the country wants to hear. That includes a lot of Dimocrats that don’t want to admit it.

Trump is the shit.

Disagree?

You’re mother…

@Redteam: #23
You’re fortunate. Just about everything that touches my skin has to be white, or certain brands. I’ve developed an allergy to most common dyes and scents.
Goes for soaps and detergents as well.
Fortunately, Wrangler shirts and Jeans are okay. I just wish they made socks.

@Wordsmith: #28
“There’s no debating with Trumpeteers. It’s like trying to reason with a 9/11 Truther (b-b-bu-but: Building 7!!!) or arguing with Ron Paul Bearers. Total waste of time.

The angry-as-hell-not-gonna-take-it-anymore-pick-up-my-ball-up-and-go-home-kickout-the-RINOs-and-shrink-the-party-conservative-purists (while denying they are purists) are enraptured by a cult of personality. They are choosing style over substance; and willfully ignoring that there is nothing in Trump’s history that shows any consistency or loyalty to conservative principles and sticking to core beliefs. He’s as constant as a weathervane. He is appealing to conservative emotionalism. ”

You seem to be the angriest and most insulting one on this forum.
You are lumping Trump supporters into one nasty category and calling them names.
Trump appeals to a large variety of individuals, from bible belters without a college education to blacks, hispanics, women and many other groups.
Trump has more appeal than just his demeanor, and until you recognize that, then you are right, no debate is possible.
Why would anyone want to debate someone who won’t address the reasons that Trump appeals to them, instead of berating them and calling them names for responding to that appeal?

Maybe instead of insultingly telling Trump supporters your opinion as to why they support him, you should listen when they attempt to tell you why. Maybe then you will be able to have a reasonable and calm debate with them.

@Petercat:

Trump appeals to a large variety of individuals, from bible belters without a college education to blacks, hispanics, women and many other groups.

While I’m not that big a fan of Real Clear Politics, they point out (as both you and I do,) that ‘The Donald’ is pulling support from a wide range of people who can not be so easily demographically shoehorned.

Who Are Trump’s Supporters?

In recent YouGov polls, 20 percent of his supporters describe themselves as “liberal” or “moderate,” with 65 percent saying they are “conservative” and only 13 percent labeling themselves as “very conservative.” Less than a third of his supporters say they are involved with the Tea Party movement. Their views put them on the right side of the American electorate, but they cover the Republican mainstream.

In terms of demographics, Trump’s supporters are a bit older, less educated and earn less than the average Republican. Slightly over half are women. About half are between 45 and 64 years of age, with another 34 percent over 65 years old and less than 2 percent younger than 30. One half of his voters have a high school education or less, compared to 19 percent with a college or post-graduate degree. Slightly over a third of his supporters earn less than $50,000 per year, while 11 percent earn over $100,000 per year. Definitely not country club Republicans, but not terribly unusual either.

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First, that most of his support comes from candidates already in the race and not from newly inspired voters. Second, his campaign drew from both the front-runners and the second-tier candidates and hurt Ted Cruz among the front-runners and Rick Perry among the second-tier candidates the most.

Third, his support comes from across the full range of Republican identifiers but is slightly higher among those who are less well educated, earn less than $50,000 annually and are slightly older.

Fourth, Tea Party respondents supported Trump at slightly lower levels than the totals for Cruz and Fiorina but higher than for the rest of the field.

Fifth, if his candidacy falters or he quits the race, no single candidate benefits in more than the low double digits, and those he hurt the most—Cruz and Perry—probably do not make up their losses, notwithstanding Cruz’s machinations.

Who else supports Trump? Donald Trump Is Leading Among Conservative Millennials

According to the latest poll from Zogby Analytics, 2016 GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump leads among conservative millennials aged 18-34 with an amazing 3-1 margin, with 25 percent of them pledging their support for him, reported

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None of the other candidates came even close to Trump’s enormous 25-percent lead, which it should be noted rose to 28 percent among young men but dropped to 22 percent among young women.

Furthermore, according to a SurveyUSA poll released this weekend, Trump leads Democratic challenger Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical matchup by a 45-40 margin

Even more shocking is that 25 percent of black respondents admitted to preferring Trump over Clinton.

Now compare that to the tiny 4 percent of black respondents who preferred John McCain to Obama in 2008 and the 6 percent of black respondent who preferred Mitt Romney to Obama in 2012.

The moral of this story is quite simple. Despite all the criticism he continually receives, Trump actually has a good chance of not only winning the GOP primary, but of also winning the 2016 presidential election.

It appears to me that a good percentage of Trump’s support is made up of swing voters. Wordsmith can continue to vent his distaste for Trump supporters, or he can accept the fact that There are a lot of disgruntled voters who are fed up with “business as usual” establishment politicians, and who see Trump as the only candidate who is finally giving voice to what they think. Some notes to consider from Breitbart’s John Nolte Jonah Goldberg and the Anti-Trump Bourgeoisie

Trump Detractors Have Outed Themselves: They Oppose Reagan’s Big Tent

Among those Goldberg describes as the “Trumpean Proletariat” (for some reason the anti-Trump crowd love Marxist references) there are plenty of high-profile Trump supporters attacking the other GOP candidates. But no one in this group — and this is important — has gone so far as to attack and marginalize the everyday voters who oppose Trump.

What’s so striking is that the exact opposite is true for the anti-Trumpers among the bourgeois GOP (I’m happy to play along). Ever since the rise of Trump, many among the GOP’s Elite Commentariat, Thought Leaders, Establishment, and the Consultant Class have been on a rampage against — not just Trump, who is fair game — but our very own voters. I’ve been watching politics for decades and until now have never seen pundits within either Party attack their own voting base. This is a very disturbing precedent.

I agree with this conclusion.

Why the Establishment’s Anti-Trump Attacks Aren’t Working

Let’s take Goldberg’s criticisms one by one, which by and large mirror the criticisms from the overall GOP Establishment.

Yes, I know Trump has declared himself pro-life. Good for him[.] … But I’m at a total loss to understand why serious pro-lifers take him at his word.

This complaint is coming from the same crowd that backed Mitt Romney in 2012 — you know, the same Mitt Romney who was pro-choice most of his adult life — until right around the time he ran for president.

Yet, when Republicans were told that Donald Trump favors single-payer health care, support for single-payer health care jumped from 16 percent to 44 percent.

First off, this is misleading. Trump is no longer in favor of single-payer. He has promised to repeal ObamaCare, allow the purchase of health insurance across state lines (a splendid idea), and use government to take care of the poor. Secondly, once again this complaint sounds absurd coming from the same crowd that backed Mr. Establishment in 2012: Mitt “RomneyCare” Romney.

Rick Perry in 2012 saw his candidacy implode when he couldn’t remember the third item on his checklist of agencies he’d close down. Well, even in that “oops” moment, Rick Perry comes off as Lincolnesque compared with Donald Trump.

Impotent rage isn’t an argument. And talk about missing the point. Whose fault is it that Perry hasn’t been able to effectively use four whole years to overcome a 20 second brain fart? Is it Trump’s fault? Is it the fault of Trump’s supporters’? Is it the fault of a gnome living in a Mason jar under Roger Stone’s hot tub (you know he’s got one — a hot tub I mean). No, the fault lies totally and completely with Rick Perry.

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In his embarrassing interview with Hugh Hewitt Thursday night, Trump revealed he knows less than most halfway-decent D.C. interns about foreign policy.

The Hewitt interview was not Trump’s finest moment but Goldberg is way overplaying his hand. While running for president both Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush flubbed the exact same kind of quiz. In fact, Bush didn’t completely recover from his until after he had won the nomination and debated Al Gore.

Like those who backed Bush and Reagan through similar flubs, Trump’s supporters know it’s early, know Trump isn’t dumb, and are mainly concerned with Big Picture issues. If he’s going to go all the way, Trump will eventually have to show a firmer grasp of the details. But the petty bourgeois GOP pointing and laughing this early in the game says more about their desperation than anything about Trump.

Yes, we have seen Dr. John and Wordsmith use many of the same arguments against Trump’s candidacy. But what is unfortunate is that Wordsmith has a decided disdain for Trump supporters, whom again, mostly come from swing voters as well as many voters whom had pretty much given up on any candidate supporting their views, …that is, until Trump came along.

So let’s return to the issue of character. …

If a journalist praises [Trump], that journalist is “terrific.” If the journalist is critical of Trump he is a “loser” (or, in my case, a loser who can’t buy pants). Not surprisingly, Hugh Hewitt is now “third rate” because he made Trump look bad. I’m no fan of Arianna Huffington or Gail Collins, but calling them “dogs” because they criticized you is not a serious ideological or intellectual retort. (It’s not even clever.) I think Trump did insinuate that Megyn Kelly was menstruating during the debate.

I don’t like Trump’s name calling. In the long-term it will undermine his candidacy and is therefore bad strategy, it is also unbecoming. Regardless, Trump is still classier than some of his Republican opponents and many among the Establishment GOP.

To his credit, Trump attacks The Powerful; people like Megyn Kelly, Gail Collins, Jonah Goldberg, Fox News, and Rosie O’Donnell — people with the platform and power to hit back.

I think we can all agree that Trump’s name calling is getting tiresome, and does hurts him. But his willingness to do it to his equals and not everyday voters (whom establishment Democrats and Republicans often dismiss as the ‘great unwashed’) also somewhat mirrors what the patronized and discounted everyday voter often thinks of many of these out of touch elites.

Compare that to all those in the GOP Establishment currently attacking everyday VOTERS as thick, nativist, racist, and crazy.

Compare that to Establishment Darling Chris Christie yelling at school teachers.

Compare that to Mitt Romney writing off 47% of the American population as lost and hopeless.

Compare that to Rick Perry telling those demanding the law be enforced that they have no heart.

Compare that to Jeb Bush attacking those same people for not recognizing that this lawlessness is an “act of love.”

At least Trump picks on people his own size.

Chew on this piece of Science: Trump can be rude but he still hasn’t gone as far as the Obama campaign in accusing his opponent of murdering someone. He hasn’t gone as far as the media in burning down two black working class neighborhoods to further an agenda. He hasn’t gone as far as the bourgeois GOP in attacking and insulting and marginalizing 30% of our own base.

Take that to heart. Seriously. Trump supporters (as well as TEA Party supporters and everyday Conservatives) are getting pretty damn tired of being attacked from both political sides and the MSM.

The Bourgeois GOP Is Mad For One Reason: They Are Losing

Trump is far from the perfect candidate or the perfect conservative. But he is winning, and that’s why the Establishment is so furious they are now launching feckless and oftentimes hypocritical attacks against him, and in some cases, going so far as to launch suicide attacks against their own voters

This much is true: Trump does fight like a Leftist — he fights to win, and I’m sorry if some of those tactics offend the same fuddy-duddies whose approach to politics and candidates have lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections.

Many of the moderators and posters here in FA have been hoping for years to wake up the sleeping giants of ignored, detached, abused, whipped, and cowed voters. Trump has done it. (Remember the adage: “Be careful what you wish for”?) Are you now too going to turn on these voters (like those Washington politicians and the TV talking heads you have railed against for years,) simply because of your distaste for candidate Trump? Or are you going to try to motivate these voters into demanding that those you consider “better candidates” get their heads out of their butts, and adopt these issues that the “pissed-off” voters really want addressed?

At this point in time, I don’t know for sure whether I will vote for Trump. However, so far, (from my point of view,) he is the only frigging candidate who consistently supports most of the same things I do.

Recent Data from These Polls Could Spell the End of Every Candidate But These Two!

The poll, released by Public Policy Polling, shows Trump with a commanding lead at a whopping 37% and Ben Carson sitting at 21%. All other GOP candidates failed to break the 1% mark!

With this being the case, it’s hard to see how any other candidate has a path to victory. Let’s look at the first four primary/caucus states. This according to the national average of all major polls.

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Of course, now the question is, will the media ad blitz about to come out against Trump work? It might, but it doesn’t need to just work… it needs to move political mountains. Because even if a massive multi-million dollar ad blitz carves 5-10% from Trump’s numbers, he’s still way out front. By far.

The establishment candidates have a huge problem here. Not only do they have to try and take down a guy that is ahead of them 20+ points, they have to figure out Ben Carson who also leads by a wide margin. Worse, it’s highly likely that if voters leave Trump, they go to Carson. And if they leave Carson, they go to Trump. This simply because the two aren’t a part of Washington or the establishment elite.

@Ditto: #34
“I think we can all agree that Trump’s name calling is getting tiresome, and does hurts him.”
Oh, I don’t know, as long as his accuracy is as good as his aim, the reactions are really kind of fun.

“At this point in time, I don’t know for sure whether I will vote for Trump. However, so far, (from my point of view,) he is the only frigging candidate who consistently supports most of the same things I do. ”
Agreed. He isn’t my first choice, either.
I spend so much time defending him here because no one else is being attacked.

@Redteam:

Trump is saying what about 80% of the country wants to hear. That includes a lot of Dimocrats that don’t want to admit it.

Yes he is, but he is hurting himself with his schoolyard bully tactics. He doesn’t need to do that. He should be saving the rage for the liberals, but again, stay on policy and avoid the personal invective.

@Ditto:

Many of the moderators and posters here in FA have been hoping for years to wake up the sleeping giants of ignored, detached, abused, whipped, and cowed voters. Trump has done it. (Remember the adage: “Be careful what you wish for”?) Are you now too going to turn on these voters (like those Washington politicians and the TV talking heads you have railed against for years,) simply because of your distaste for candidate Trump? Or are you going to try to motivate these voters into demanding that those you consider “better candidates” get their heads out of their butts, and adopt these issues that the “pissed-off” voters really want addressed?

I have already written here- that the rest of the GOP candidates should get a clue from Trump and address the issues he’s raised.

At this point in time, I don’t know for sure whether I will vote for Trump. However, so far, (from my point of view,) he is the only frigging candidate who consistently supports most of the same things I do.

I find myself ambivalent as well. If he is the GOP candidate I’ll likely vote for him over the harridan but it would be while holding my nose.

I’ve watched Trump for a long time. I don’t trust him.

@Petercat:

Trump has more appeal than just his demeanor, and until you recognize that, then you are right, no debate is possible.
Why would anyone want to debate someone who won’t address the reasons that Trump appeals to them, instead of berating them and calling them names for responding to that appeal?

Again, I have already said I like what he’s saying but I do not like the personal attacks on the other GOP candidates. Over time continued stupid attacks on women such as the one on Fiorina will take its toll on Trump’s support.

Feminists (and by that I mean the PC, liberal kind) won’t like Trump because he is un-PC and has the gall to say things about women’s appearances.
But, according to a CNN poll well after the Megan Kelly thing and shortly after the Fiorina thing, Trump is gaining support from among women who would vote Republican.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/donald-trump-women/

So, I asked myself why.
Here’s the answer from that same CNN poll:
Among Republican women, 52% say the issue of illegal immigration is “extremely important.
Who is the viable Trump alternative?

Trump is an embedded terrorist – a Democratic plant designed to sabotage the Republican candidacy for the 2016 presidential election. He has succeeded beyond his handlers’ wildest expectations.

Trump is carefully, incrementally revealing just enough of his true Democratic leanings on taxes, single-payer healthcare, gun control, the Clintons and just about every other GOP hot-button issue that when the strategically optimum time approaches, he can self-destruct in flaming glory by publicly announcing his intentional deception. Either that or the public’s awareness of it will reach critical mass on its own, but with Trump’s conservative support still on the rise, that’s not likely to happen any time soon.

Trump is thinning the field of better candidates, using his cartoon celebrity persona to lure self-deluded Republicans away from their best hopes for 2016. Trump isn’t the idiot he’s playing himself to be, but I doubt that he is cleaver enough to have put this strategy together himself. I wonder who did.
(Probably not Howard Dean, but maybe James Carville…)

@George Wells:

Trump is an embedded terrorist – a Democratic plant designed to sabotage the Republican candidacy for the 2016 presidential election. He has succeeded beyond his handlers’ wildest expectations.

And why would Trump be doing this? A bribe?

This age of massive amounts of information leads to a hyper-critical review of candidates. It was in its adolescence during the campaign of Obama. His election was responsible for many of us jumping into the cyber world blindly in shocked disbelief. We didn’t stop the momentum of Obama; his charisma and the GOP establishment enabled Obama’s victory in 2012, but the electorate is different, possibly jaded. The never-again feelings against allowing a narcissist and a fraud to compromise our prosperity and sell the country’s culture and security down river has gripped many voters. They desperately want to elect the Obama antidote and the Chamber of Commerce champions of the GOP don’t meet those standards.

In this rush to repudiate everything Obama and hopefully, obliterate every damaging aspect of his presidency, the electorate is embracing a relative unknown, a billionaire celebrity with an over-sized ego and a pit bull mouth. He is an unknown because, like Obama he has almost no exposure on the political stage, but unlike Obama, he didn’t make a superficial and ambiguous career out of voting present.

We know for sure, he isn’t a Bush and he for dang sure isn’t a Clinton. The American electorate can be deceived, Obama is our humiliating proof, but because of that screen you are staring into, it is not as easy as it was in 2007. We are still an emotional people, even those of us who read massive amounts of data about our country and its politics; the emotional comments in this commentary confirm that fact.

However, since we are emotional, if Donald had exhibited Conservative ideas throughout his life, would some of you oppose him because of his lifestyle?

It is different for me, I can’t identify with any of the lifestyles of our elites and I have no desire to emulate any of them, but I wonder if some of you resent the more outrageous lifestyle and personality of Trump.

There was no attacks on the lifestyle of the worst president during either of his campaigns; if we based his platform on this criteria, he would have had no criticism and run unopposed. Of course, this was the way his opposition ran against him. The benign campaign strategy was waged against the magic mulatto and failed miserably two times, but with Trump, we throw the sticky Molotov cocktails and unleash the nasty insults and innuendos.

At least his critics and the MSM can ease up on Cruz and not ask him if he has been in contact with God. The sleazy attacks can concentrate on Trump and if he survives and wins the primary, he will have collected a certain amount of negativity, generated not only by Fox and the Democrat media, but by our own conservatives as well.

Hillary may be one step ahead of a criminal indictment, but she is still a dangerous opponent and a Clinton. If you think the next election is a forgone conclusion, I think you should reconsider. When the bean can falls off the shelf a few times and is bent and haggard looking, no one wants it, unless it is a can of Clinton Beans.

Trump is a mirror. All he’s doing is reflecting the attitudes of his target audience. He’s telling people precisely what he thinks they want to hear, and fine-tuning his message based on their responses. Basically, he’s taking the same approach with voters that he would take with a reality television show audience.

It’s disturbing how well this works.

@drjohn:

I’ve watched Trump for a long time. I don’t trust him.

Well Dr. John, After the establishment Republican’s betrayal following the last election and a good many past disappointments, I don’t trust any of the professional politicians.

@Bill:

Ignore Georgie-troll. he plays at Republican claims but he is all lefty. The last person to listen to on Republican candidates is a Democrat troll.

@Skookum:

Hillary may be one step ahead of a criminal indictment, but she is still a dangerous opponent and a Clinton…

I think the Democrat’s leadership are getting desperate for a Hillary exit strategy. Nobody trusts the conniving, predatory Hildabeast. The great embarrassment of the MSM is that some of them admit they (shocker!) are afraid to ask her questions. This should tell everyone how politically corrupt the “Lamestream” media has become, when they openly troll any and all Republican candidates, but they shy away from Clinton’s scandals and wont even mention Bernie Sander’s openly nationalistic socialist union suit. The public is waking up and they are indeed “pissed”.

The mirror strategy, might just be a man who feels the same frustration as the “working” american and the small entrepreneurs who are fighting desperately to survive the Obama Recovery.

However, the mirror strategy is successful, we will be recovering from the effects of the present mirror strategist for the next 10 to 20 years.

@Greg:

Trump is Obama was a mirror. All he’s doing is reflecting he did was reflect the attitudes of his target audience. He’s telling He told people precisely what he thinks thought they want to hear, and fine-tuning his message based on their responses. Basically, he’s taking he took the same approach with voters that he would take with a reality television show audience.

I have said that now since Obama ran. So I fixed it for you.

@Ditto: Ditto, Are voters pissed enough to demand an indictment against Hillary if they get the goods on her? I don’t think so, you and I would be facing 20 years in Leavenworth, but Hillary is among the ruling elite and she would never face prison time.

Let the anger build and if they get the goods on her be ready to converge on Washington to demand her arrest and trial.

McConnell and Boehner need to go, either by primary or recall, they need to stop enabling Obama. They are enemies of the American people.

McConnell actually said by enabling the Iran Deal, the Republicans will be assured of maintaining control. Can you believe this sack of sh@t?

@Ditto #45:

“I think the Democrat’s leadership are getting desperate for a Hillary exit strategy.”

Gee, Dit, isn’t that also exactly what’s happening over at the Republican leadership regarding Trump? Aren’t THEY all afraid that Trump will take them down with him if he wins the nomination? Trump said he didn’t expect the support he has received – doesn’t that give you a clue that he never expected to actually have to try and win a national election?

I’m not wondering how the GOP leadership is going to sabotage him – we’ll be seeing how they do that soon enough. What I am wondering is how Trump himself will auto-destruct. He said he’d lose MILLIONS if he got the job, and he also said that he was a GREAT businessman. Can’t you connect the dots?

Both parties have what at least on the surface appear to be two of the absolutely worst candidates that have ever been front runners for their respective nominations. I will be very surprised if either of them makes it to the finish line.

@Greg:

Trump is a mirror. All he’s doing is reflecting the attitudes of his target audience. He’s telling people precisely what he thinks they want to hear, and fine-tuning his message based on their responses. Basically, he’s taking the same approach with voters that he would take with a reality television show audience.

It’s disturbing how well this works.

So, you’re saying you’ll be voting for Trump since he is using the same formula as Obama has?

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