Burning people alive is acceptable to Islam, says Islamic cleric. After all, Muhammad did it.

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Anjem Choudary, A London-based Islamic cleric who lectures on Sharia law, says that it was acceptable to Islam to burn the Jordanian pilot alive.

“If you want to look at this from an Islamic perspective, what they are arguing is that it is qisas, in other words, reciprocation.

“The fact is that the pilots — not just this Jordanian one but many others via drones and other bombing campaigns — have burned a lot of men, women, and children, and indiscriminately.

“Obviously we don’t see the pictures or images of those because they’re not available, but hundreds of thousands of Muslims have been killed, most of them by Arab bombardment in Syria and Iraq.

“What these people are saying is this is a reciprocation. So they have a juristic argument to retaliate in a similar manner. This is what Allah said in the Quran — fight them back the way that they fight you.”

And he added:

“Sometimes [with] the war policy, the fatwa can be given … to do certain things which you might not find palatable.”

Choudary declared this action acceptable to Islam. Other clerics did not.

Muslim clerics widely denounced Islamist militants in Syria over the burning to death of a Jordanian pilot, saying such a form of killing was considered an abomination under Islam, no matter the justification.

A Quranic verse often cited reads:

‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’

But so you know, the passage reads:

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to Ali; and he burnt them. The news of this event reached Ibn Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”

Yet Muhammad himself used fire to punish his enemies. Tabari VIII:122 Ishaq:515:

“The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

Ishaq:316:

“Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”

And then there’s this:

Tabari VII:133 Ishaq:387

“When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.”

Fire can be a tool for punishment if you’re even suspected of “sacrilege.”

BAHAWALPUR:
In a harrowing incident of mob justice, hundreds of people accused a ‘deranged’ man of sacrilege, mercilessly beat him and burnt him alive in southern Punjab, police said on Wednesday.

The incident took place in Chanighot area of Bahawalpur on Tuesday evening. Residents saw a man allegedly throwing pages from the Holy Quran onto the street. Local police took him into custody and put him in the lockup.

It seems an awful lot of Muslims haven’t heard about this objection to burning people alive:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A Christian couple were allegedly burned alive in an industrial kiln in Pakistan on Tuesday after angry workers discovered they had set fire to several verses of the Quran, a local activist said. Shahbaz Maseeh, 26, and his wife Shama Bibi, 24, were attacked by colleagues at the brick factory where they worked in Punjab province, according to Mushtaq Gill, chief advocate at Pakistani minority rights group LEAD. He said they had planned to flee their town with their three young children.

Saudi cleric Salman al-Odah:

“Burning is an abominable crime rejected by Islamic law regardless of its causes. It is rejected whether it falls on an individual or a group or a people. Only God tortures by fire.”

Well God and Muhammad. And Muhammad’s messengers.

I find myself perplexed by something. If it’s un-Islamic to punish people with fire, why does Allah do it?

“Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers [whom he defines as Christians in the 5th surah] and has prepared for them a Blazing Fire to dwell in forever.”

– Qur’an 33:64

Apparently it’s not so much an objection to punishment by fire as it is an objection to who does it and who gets burned. It was the burning of a Muslim that finally lit the match of Islamic outrage. Suicide bombing seems to be Islamic enough. Beheading seems Islamic enough. Burning by fire? Leave that one to Allah. Or Muhammad, anyway.

So who is right? Who’s Islam is the right one? Obama’s? Or Choudary’s? Islam is a pick and choose religion. Cite whatever verse you want to justify whatever you want to believe. Check out the menu here. There are as many Islams as there are clerics.

That is the problem with Islam.

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13 Responses to “Burning people alive is acceptable to Islam, says Islamic cleric. After all, Muhammad did it.”

  1. 1

    Nanny

    There’s a lesser known fact about Islam and reason (cause and effect type) that confounds Westerners when they learn of it.
    Since Mohammad’s writings were so illogical the Greek logic as well as the Judeo/Christian logic were tossed out as ”unislamic.”
    To this day some physics books used at university level in Pakistan (for example) actually read: when Oxygen and fuel and a spark meet IF ALLAH WILLS IT a fire occurs.
    Almost every chemical reaction is considered the ”will of Allah,” as opposed to cause and effect,even fire!
    So, there are those Muslims who saw the burning of the pilot and proclaimed it as the will of Allah and therefore NOT humans’ doing at all.
    Kind of like the old witch trials where a person could be placed under water for a lengthy time and have a chance, God willing, to live proving therefore not to be a witch.
    But we’ve certainly moved on from those days ….. in the West.

    But as another example, as recently as 1999 the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia declared that any Muslim who claims that earth is a sphere and revolves around the sun is an apostate worthy of death.
    1999.

    For many more examples see Robert R. Reilly The Closing of the Muslim Mind.

  2. 3

    salvage

    I wonder how many Iraqis were burnt alive by various American bombs dropping on Iraq over the last 12 years?

    I know, I know, when Americans do it it’s for FREEDOM! anyone else does it they’re terrorists.

    I wonder if the people burnt alive appreciate the difference?

  3. 4

    Nanny

    @salvage: Never heard of the smart bomb?
    How about the laser-guided missile?
    No?
    We spent millions, probably billions on those bombs simply to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible.
    When al Qaeda and Taliban hide behind women and children or melt into the general population that’s when ground troops are best, a la Chris Kyle types.
    Too bad Obama telegraphs our moves to ISIS.
    They KNOW they can melt into the general population because there will be no effective ground troops.
    As to whole bunches of burned civilians….the one study that even made that claim (Lancet’s) turned out to be a pack of lies. Many more girls have had acid thrown in their faces in Afghanistan and Iraq than have been burned by American aerial bombardment.

  4. 5

    Bill

    @salvage: How many were burned alive in Dresden? Tokyo? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? War is hell and it is carried out so as to make it so horrible so that no one will wish to conduct it.

    However, you don’t do it to helpless prisoners. Or children. Or women. And you don’t equivocate for it.

  5. 6

    Nanny

    It is interesting to compare and contrast ISIS’ idea of justice to Obama’s view of it.
    ISIS accuses people of iffy wrongdoing and virtually immediately metes out ”justice,” even if it is a harsh Islamic version of such.

    Obama, on the other hand, sees egregious acts of murder and sits back and waits letting us all know that ”ultimately,” or ”no matter how long it takes,” the perpetrators will be ”brought to justice,” meaning the trial system and maybe jail time.

    So, which one of these approaches would appeal to American blacks?
    All we have to do is read their protest signs:

    Justice delayed is justice denied.
    No justice, no peace.

    Obama will lose the American black support he thought he had forever if he keeps this dithering up much longer.

  6. 7

    John

    Certainly has a long and sorry history among Christians
    Death by fire!!
    And Christians are continuing to burn 1000s of witches each year in Africa
    And death by burning was a fav of southern Christians also as part of their lynchings along with castration

  7. 8

    Bill

    @John:

    And death by burning was a fav of southern Christians also as part of their lynchings along with castration

    Again, were these idiots who just happened to be Christian (somewhat) or did they commit these acts in the name of Christ? Kind of a difference, though I am not sure you can see the subtlety.

    Another thing those nasty Christians like to do is establish homes for the homeless, soup kitchens, charity drives, food banks, hospitals and care for the needy. The bastards.

  8. 9

    proof

    @John:

    “Christians are continuing to burn 1000s of witches each year in Africa”

    Gosh, I’d sure like to see your data on that! Some people are designated as “Christians” if they are not Jewish or Muslim. It has nothing to do with religious faith.

    Secondly, if these people are claiming to be Christians, remember that going to church makes you a Christian like going into a garage makes you an automobile. Real Christians do not burn people to death, your fantasies notwithstanding.

  9. 10

    Cedric Longbeard

    Well this conversation is over a year old but I just can’t resist posting a reply. I’m prompted by the blatant manner in which posters immediately start making excuses for Christianity when it is highlighted that christians have been well known for burning people alive. It’s not as common now as the western world is largely less religious and more civilised these days. However, there are plenty of verses in the bible calling for people to be burned to death. In fact, there might even be more references to it than there are in the Quran. Here are justa few…..

    “If a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.” — Leviticus 20:14

    “And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.” — Leviticus 21:9

    “Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.” — Genesis 38:24

    “He that is taken with the accursed thing shall be burnt with fire, he and all that he hath. … And Joshua … took Achan … and his sons, and his daughters … And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire.” — Joshua 7:15, 24-25

  10. 11

    Petercat

    @Cedric Longbeard: #10
    That was Old Testament. Jesus brought new laws. Where in the New Testament do you see Christians commanded to burn anyone?
    No flames, no burning. Remember “Let he who is without sin throw the first stone”?
    And no, Jesus was not telling someone to bring him a nice rock. He was telling them that the old ways were no longer valid.

  11. 13

    Whysuffer

    @ Cedric.
    Right on Cedric. I would like to add that in fact there is not one single verse in the Qur’an that says to burn anything alive by men, though there are hundreds verses that say people will be burnt in hell by God in the hereafter. Not blaming Christianity but Christians did burnt more people at stake than Muslims. A great example is Calvin’s burning of Servitus.

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