Democrats “Dropping Like Flies” Before 2010 Electoral Bloodbath

Now they can vote to screw America with impunity, and then get cushy jobs in the politburo as their rewards.

Our local Tea Party steering committee met yesterday to discuss plans for the future: When to run our radio ads on health care, getting our PAC up and running, etc. There was some discussion on the subject of whether or not everything we have done has actually had any effect. Here’s what I sent them this morning:

As we discussed yesterday, we’re in the middle of a cultural battle for America. I think we’re winning. But according to the dead-tree media, we’ve already lost.

In any war, a good technique to use against the enemy is called FUD – to instill Fear Uncertainty, and Doubt in the other side, by trying to convince them that their enemies are invincible and resistance is futile (to coin a phrase). The left and their allies in the media have been very successful at using this technique against the Tea Party movement. We’ve all been speaking out and protesting and fighting our hearts out and – to watch the news – it seems like our best efforts are having zero effect. But now it turns out that the Democrats are not invincible after all; A few of them may actually have a remnant of integrity. Just look at the headlines this morning:

Sen. Dorgan to retire
Democrat Ritter drops out of Colorado guv bid
Chris Dodd to Retire
Scott Brown within 9 points in Massachusetts

…and Nancy Pelosi is being universally laughed at for her “There has never been a more open process’ comment on her refusal to let C-SPAN cameras into the committee meetings.

Towanda!

This state goes against and Liberal Democrats go against everything our country was founded on. The Democrats including Coakley are reducing our freedoms and rights. They want government to control every aspect of our life, no thanks. Millions of Americans have died so I can be free, even though I live in one of the most restrictive states on personal freedom.

It is proven that firearm safe storage laws and gun control laws are causing thousands of Americans their life. These laws have not reduced accidents or suicide but they are responsible for many, many deaths. Read John Lott’s book The Bias Against Guns for the facts/truth.

The facts show most violent crimes are committed by criminals with long histories of violence who should be in prison for life. Prosecutors like Coakley are always quick to cut deals with violent criminals so they can serve much less time than they should. They get out and hurt or kill again, this process keeps on repeating itself.

I have met Senator Scott Brown and he is one of the most sincere caring people I have ever met. He unlike the Democrats in this state listens to his constituents. Help turn this country around by voting in someone who is a true Patriot, strong leader and someone who actually has experience. Scott Brown has never voted for a tax increase and he will protect our rights. Please vote for Scott Brown.

Another democrat bites the dust in Michigan’s Gov. race:

Lt. Gov. John Cherry’s surprise announcement Tuesday he’s dropping out of this year’s race for governor throws the contest for the Democratic nomination up for grabs.

The 58-year-old Cherry announced in a statement that he couldn’t raise enough money to be competitive against Republicans, who have been raising cash for months. Some Democratic party regulars had grumbled Cherry was failing to energize the base and polls showed him trailing the GOP leaders by double digits. But he was expected by party leaders and activists to stay in the race.

Republicans in the race include Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard, Attorney General Mike Cox, state Sen. Tom George of Kalamazoo, U.S. Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Holland and Ann Arbor businessman Rick Snyder.

Polls also showed Cherry attracting well under 50 percent of the Democratic vote. Speculation that his campaign was in trouble heightened last month when his campaign manager resigned and Cherry replaced his chief of staff. An EPIC-MRA of Lansing poll in mid-December showed 39 percent of voters did not recognize Cherry.

Political observers have said the lieutenant governor was damaged by his connection to Gov. Jennifer Granholm, whose popularity has plummeted along with Michigan’s economy.

“He would have to run on Jennifer Granholm’s record. And that’s an indefensible record,” said Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson, who considered and then decided against a 2010 gubernatorial bid.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100106/POLITICS02/1060345/Cherry-s-exit-leaves-uncertainty-in-Democrats-primary-race

Re: B-Rob #6

Your mis characterization of the tea party movement is patronizing and flat out wrong. They don’t look silly to the average American, they are the average American.
As for your predictions of an economic upswing, maybe, maybe not. While it is true, that our economic system is more powerful than the Zero’s attempt to destroy it, the recovery is far later in arrival than if we had followed an actual intelligent course of action, which would have been to allow the free market system to work. The recovery will be no where near decent, if the Zero’s economic policies are allowed to take hold. I believe you are misreading the Zero’s election as a political shift to the left by the entire country. I would remind you that the Zero and a compliant media actually ran a campaign of flat out deception. Obama was presented as a centrist, and actually claimed the mantle of being a tax reforming hawk when it suited him. Now that the American People are able to see this is untrue, he is losing support at a dizzying pace. Get ready for Henry Mancini’s, “Baby Elephant Walk,” in November. You are going to hear it alot.

I think that many democrats will choose not to run to save the party. They will take cushy jobs with speaking engagements. They are banking on the fact that Americans are inherently fair and will take it out on them if they run, but will give another democrat who is not associated with this mess a chance. They think that the democrat challenger if he is unknown and new may actually appeal more to the electorate in their district than any Republican. They see themselves as sacrificial martyrs, probably still convinced that somehow the Democrats will hold on to the majority as long as there are bright shiny new faces. So I don’t think we should get too optimistic yet for the Republicans. If these democrats step down there will be a new race between a new Democrat who had nothing to do with the mess in Congress and a Republican who had nothing to do with the mess in Congress. So the race will be down to ideas, and who has a better plan. I hope the Republicans who are running in these districts remember that. They still have to win over the democrats and independents there.

B-Bob wonders what we are at war against? Well, Bob, here’s what — the royalist-socialist mindset that has slaughtered millions in history — in just the past 100 years socialism has killed off some 100,000,000 people, Bob. That’s war, isn’t it? Isn’t killing people to win something a war of some sort? Sure it is, Bob. You are clueless as to what the socialists say — they (you too, Bob,) repeat incessantly that they (you too, Bob) are at war with free markets, individual rights, liberty and the right to pursue happiness and be left alone. The socialists have been screaming for years that they are at war with America. They said it back when the National Socialists ran Germany, and when the Soviet Socialists ran Russia, and the Chinese Socialists ran China — all the while killing anyone who disagreed.
That’s war, Bob. That’s the war we are fighting Bob.
And it’s part of that war to be taking money from those who earned it – -at the point of a gun or threat of imprisonment no less, — and give it to banks that should fail, business ideas that should go stimulate themselves, and all manner of other crackpot ideals of big government, that steals money from some to give to others that a third party decrees imperially that such largess is our “duty.” Yes, Bob, it’s a war on our labor (socialism enslaves) our time, our effort, our money, or lives, our property — you Bob are at war against the people of the United States, socialist that you are — and you want to keep up the full court press to defeat the inalienable rights of mankind so that you might bring Pharaoh back to life. Yes, Bob, you all declared war on reality, on reason, on math itself. You vow, as you leader does — to take no prisoners — for it was Obama himself who said “if they come with a knife, we’ll get a gun.” That’s a declaration of war Bob. By our own “president” mind you — who bought into the redistributionist “I know better than yourself how to live your life and spend your money” socialist crud. What do we know about our own selves — that’s the message that socialists give and say they are at peace as they wage war. And it is War, Bob. Your own creed declares it so.
And now that we know which side you are on, well, that just makes it easy eh?
Alas for you all, you Bobs one and all, is that while your leader does not see the war of Islam against us, and you do not see the war you are waging for what it is — war — We the People — average Americans to you — do see it. Hitler, Stalin, Mao did not see what they were doing as war — they saw it as hope, change and audacious planning for the future. It’s your burden, Bob, but War it is — as even Lenin himself said — diplomacy is war by other means. So be it, Bob. Be diplomatic – -but we know you are at war with America.

In Colorado, Ritter was destined to be roadkill in November. Though Ritter said his decision not to seek re-election was for family considerations, he was seen as a very weak incumbent. Many Colorado Dems were quite nervous about keeping the seat. Several informal polls had Ritter trailing badly against Scott McInnis, the presumed Republican gubernatorial nominee by 15-20 points. Ritter was also trailing businessman Dan Maes, another Republican candidate with limited name recognition. You can say the writing was on the wall.

Being a one-term governor in Colorado is a bit unusual. Former Gov John Vanderhoof was the last one-term governor back in the early 1970s. However, Vanderhoof was seeking election to his first full term since he was finishing Gov John Love’s term. (Love had become Nixon’s energy advisor.) Though Vanderhoof was seen as a very likeable and very competent, he fell victim to the Democratic tide in the 1974 mid-term elections. Unfortunately, a roster of communists pretending to be Democrats swept all of the statewide positions back then. The Republicans narrowly retained control of the legislature.

@B-Rob: I found this comment repulsive. No where have I heard Tea Party members call themselves “tea baggers”. This is a derogatory term that the media has used to denigrate people who are fed up with both parties. They are fed up with the lobbying, the greed, and corruption in government. They are fed up with the politicians spending away their childrens futures on frivolous pork projects. They are fed up with the constant lying. Yes, this discontent has been growing a long time. I imagine that it has been there during the Reagan years, the Clinton years, the Bush years, and now the Obama years, and like all movements, the seeds were there, and now they are finally coming to fruit. It has happened in this country. The straw has finally broken the camel’s back. Now as a result, the Tea party is taking root. To denigrate them is to ignore years of frustration, and to assume that they are just now having problems. And that is what the liberals in town forget.

Time to ban b-rob? If it were up to me I would, but I’m not as nice as the authors/mods.

As for fear mongering, for 8 years we heard the left scream that the Patriot Act would be used to drag us from our homes and violate our rightts. That by killing terrorists we were making things worse. That Bush would not peacefully give up power, blah, blah, blah.

As for the “economic recovery.”

U.S. pending home sales down in November
http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/stories/2010/01/04/daily11.html

House Prices Will Not Recover Until 2016
http://ezinearticles.com/?House-Prices-Will-Not-Recover-Until-2016&id=2395555

Why some economists think the U.S. recession isn’t over
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/why-some-economists-think-the-us-recession-isnt-over/article1418586/

Why Employment Might Not Fully Recover Until 2013
http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/maximum-utility/the-long-road-to-recovery-2/120/

Now b-rob go elsewhere you mentally ill, hateful, leftist troll.

Dropping like flies, huh? Let’s see . . .

Out of 178 House Republicans, 14 are retiring — 7.9%

Out of 256 Democratic House members, 10 are retiring — 3.9%

Out of 40 GOPer Senators, 6 Senate Republicans are retiring — that’s 15%

2 Democrats out of 58 are retiring — 3.4%

In the states, 3 Democrats have opted against reelection to governorships out of the 27 seats held by Dems — 11%

Of the 23 GOPers, 4 are leaving — 17%

Yes, folks, you are correct. “They” are dropping like flies and the rats are fleeing the ship. Only it is the minority party GOPers who are taking a hike, not the Dems!

I know, as Colbert put it, “facts have a liberal bias” — but your people are bordering on delusional!

Another one . . .

http://www.reteaparty.com/2009/02/27/rick-santelli-is-as-mad-as-hell-chicago-tea-party/

“Tea Bag the Fools in Congress” . . . indeed . . . .

@ Flyovercountry and Hard Right –

Look, I know you guys hope unemployment stays high and people are out of work and desparate and fearful. Because like John Cooper mentioned, you WANT fear out there. But the problem for you folks is simple:

1) What goes up must come down — unemployment spike higher and faster than predicted; now it is starting to slide at an equally fast rate.

2) Since Obama mentioned in March 2009 that the stock market was down too far and people should buy stocks, gues what happened? It went up close to 40%.

3) Bank stocks were tanking a year ago; now they are way up from where they were.

4) Oil prices, other commodities, food — all stable.

5) No swine flu pandemic.

6) Housing starts are turning around.

7) We had decent Christmas sales numbers even though the weather sucked. That means . . .

Consumer confidence is starting to improve.

I know this good news really SUCKS for you guys. Each additional employed person able to make their rent or mortgage payment is one less potential teabagger. And if those unemployed individuals actually realized that it was the stimulus package you hate that gave them the COBRA subsidy that they otherwise would not have had (you know . . . the difference between having health insurance at $300 per month or having none because it was $1,000 per month) . . . again, one less potential teabagger.

It is hard to convince people that Obama is taking the country to hell in a handbasket when unemployment is dropping and the economy is growing. Which is why you wingnuts are so damned fearful of more good news coming out between now and November, and why you cheer each additional terrorist attempt. (Heck, GOPers were even RAISING MONEY off that failed undie-bomber. How tasteful!)

@ Mike’s America –

I am betting that ole Zbig never taught you how to convert numbers into percentages, did he? If he did, then you should have said to your fellow cons here “Er, folks, don’t want to pee in the lemonade, but MORE GOPERS are leaving than Dems.” I did not even include the two left leaning Senate independents when I calculate those percentages. if I did, then it would be only 3.33% of Dems . . . less than a third the percentage of GOPers leaving the Senate.

Why didn’t you point out the obvious flaw in this analysis, Mike? You are a smart guy . . . surely you knew your posters were holding onto false hopes. And why didn’t you point out that Dick Blumenthal appears to be a much stronger Dem candidate in Conn. than Chris Dodd? Is this site all about mass-self-delusion?

@B-Rob: I learned quite a few things at Columbia University BLOB. Not all of it from Zbig.

Maybe if you had gone to a better law school you might understand.

But I doubt it.

You reek of delusion and panic.

Flyover –

Another point. You said that Obama campaigned as a centrist. Maybe he did. But you cons SAID he was a Communist at worst, at least a Socialist, and most definately “the most liberal Senator in the Senate.” But he kicked serious a$$ in the election anyway, didn’t he? And his liberal party won the majority of governorships and strengthened their hold on both houses of Congress. How the hell is that NOT a shift to the left? And if it is not, by your definition, what the hell WOULD a shift to the left look like?

@B-Rob: If you think being an ACORN stooge is a resume enhancer then you are a bigger fool than I thought.

As for the rest of your spin, I’ve said it before: you’re only fooling yourself!

Now, go make yourself a nice cup of TEA!

Better get used to drinking that beverage!

@B-Rob… by heavens, I’ve no idea what you have your office watercooler filled with…

1) What goes up must come down — unemployment spike higher and faster than predicted; now it is starting to slide at an equally fast rate

“an at equally fast rate”…. really? A .2 drop in employment between Oct-Nov is “equal” to the rise? Tell me about those not included in your magic BLS (should be “BS” number) that are falling thru the stat cracks because they are on one of the perpetual extensions Congress doles out like candy every few months? Or don’t those count for your rhetoric, and is merely a pesky fact easier to ignore?

And a bit premature, are you not? Two days… new employment figures. They dang sight better drop, as Nov’s did, because of seasonal hiring. Or don’t you figure seasonal into your rhetoric either?

2) Since Obama mentioned in March 2009 that the stock market was down too far and people should buy stocks, gues what happened? It went up close to 40%.

3) Bank stocks were tanking a year ago; now they are way up from where they were.

Missed that little factoid I mentioned that of course the banks and stocks are doing well… they’re all guaranteed for their losses by the taxpayer. And now that financial support is stealthily transferred in the back rooms from Bernanke’s Reserve to Geithner’s Treasury. Same money… all from us. With all that taxpayer cash pumped in, and free support, they damned well better be doing good. This and a dime won’t get your ghetto clientele a cup of coffee.

4) Oil prices, other commodities, food — all stable.

ummm… that’s why it’s up over $80 brl… stable, eh? And who pays for that in the end but the consumer. Gee… I feel so much better now. Considerably cheaper last year. Stable… about as stable as your thought patterns.

5) No swine flu pandemic.

You musta missed the Obama/Sebelius “fear” campaign for the non-epidemic.

6) Housing starts are turning around.

You’re way out of your expertise here, guy. Same concept as the banks. Housing bubble is trying to reinflate, courtesy of your POTUS and your Congress…. all on the taxpayers’ dime. But again, you won’t figure this out until your blindsided with truth in time. But I shall be here to remind you, when your values tank further and FHA/Fannie/Freddie all suck up more taxpayer “bailouts” (which Geithner conveniently managed to bypass Congress on in the 11th hour for the future by removing caps…) because all these new “improving” housing stats (not starts…. new construction STILL in the tank) turn toxic.

Can you say about 2-2.5% equity in 50% of all the loans this year? (That would be a 3.5% down FHA loan, but with 1% upfront MI one time fees refinanced back in). If they had to sell tomorrow, they are already upside down and toxic. Just wait til Bernanke raises the rates.

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@IndieDogg, that was a stellar response to billy bob’s comment. However when you have someone on a hallucinogenic, believing this is an improving economy for anyone but finance, banks and wall street, you sometimes have to just wait for reality to catch up. It always does. Al Gore’s having an increasingly hard time convincing the world of global warming when it doesn’t happen.

It is, however, extremely offensive when a snake under a rock Chicago lawyer suggests that anyone who advocates fiscal responsibility and calls out for fiscal responsibility is “rooting” for failure, instead of sounding the “one if by land, two if by sea” alarm. All I can say is those that sounded like me are those that Founded this country in small government and fiscal responsibility. Those that share billy bob’s “social justice” progressive concepts of government cures live in Cuba, Venezuela, etal.

I think I’m in fine company. It’s billy bob who’s the fish out of water. So cast your personal insults Alinsky style all you want, billy bob. Repeat your lies until you are blue in your face… they still will be proven lies in time. And I’m quite patient to watch you eat your words, or try to cast further aspersions elsewhere.

I will, however, never forgive your kind for your concerted attempt to destroy a great Republic.

Mata Harley –

I see you chimed in. My thoughts:

1) More con poo-pooing of the good numbers. It just proves my point.

2) and 3) — you don’t LIKE the fact that the stock market is doing well, but it is, isn’t it? Know what that means for pension portfolios and 401ks? It’s called “good news,” Daughter!

4) Food is down and I just paid in the $2.60 range for gas. A far cry from $4, when McCain argued that we should have a gas tax holiday, isn’t it?

5) Did we have a pandemic with 50,000 deaths, or didn’t we? No, we didn’t. This is called “good news.” Again, I know you wish it were not so, but there it is.

6) Housing . . . again, you are predicting utter chaos. I know you want it, but it is not looking like it is actually going to happen. Yes, it sucks to be a negativa diva, but there it is!

Fiscal responsibility my a$$. If you cons had had your way, no telling what would have happened to the economy. But thanks GAWD the voters did not sent McCain and Susie Sunshine to the White House.

Hey, I know it hurts. But face the facts: we are doing better now than we were a year ago. The worst is over and the economy, much to con chagrin, is improving. Just sit back and enjoy the ride, cons!

IndieDogg and Mata –

Here’s another thing: you rail against socialism. Whatever. But when you use “European” as a put down, to people who have never left the holler, that might work. But anyone who actually KNOWS anything about Europe would say “Hmm . . . Europe’s not so bad.” THAT, my friends, is why the right is losing college educated adults: you are trying to convince them that something pretty decent is actually bad. It’s like saying to a heterosexual male “Salma Hayek is awful ugly, ain’t she?” Er, yeah . . . that’s a winner . . . .

Someone mentioned Blumenthal?

Here he is getting PWND by none other than Glenn Beck.

Roll the tape:

billy bob… sigh… you just don’t know how to actually put out facts instead of talking points, do you?

4) Food is down and I just paid in the $2.60 range for gas. A far cry from $4, when McCain argued that we should have a gas tax holiday, isn’t it?

Glad you’re happy with that. It was $2.43 a year ago. What an improvement, eh? Oil and commodies started going *majorly* going up 1-2 days ago… and along with them will go the prices at the pump and our utilities. In fact, at today’s $83 per brl, compared to the $30’s per brl in Jan of last year, you should be thoroughly embarrassed at your “stable” comment. Get a grip.

I believe Aye cleaned your clock for you on the “equally” strong reduction in unemployment over a seasonal hiring season. Still no comment on all those living on extension not included, I see. An inconvenient fact.

5) Did we have a pandemic with 50,000 deaths, or didn’t we? No, we didn’t. This is called “good news.” Again, I know you wish it were not so, but there it is.

Now there’s a laugh. Never believed it was a pandemic. That was an Obama/Sebelius/CDC fear-mongering talking point. And you again prove you slithered out from under a rock by suggesting I wished for such. It is not my kind screaming for population control. Look to your own back yard.

You may also want to remember that despite all the fear-mongering of pandemic from YOUR eunuch in chief, antidotes were unavailable for all but a chosen few until after time proved that the pandemic scare YOUR president and cohorts proclaimed was pure bullshit. Good thing those death panels were thwarted by their own lies, eh? Over a year of warning, and they still couldn’t provide their own shots in time except for a few.

Housing? As I said, talking to someone who lives on LSD about economic analyses is like pissing into a nor’easter. Just you wait, ‘enry ‘higgins, just you wait. Time will evolve into reality, and you will have no other choice but to try to make up new lies to pass on.

In the meantime, the rest of us who’ve been trying to prevent this from happening… ala stop increasing the taxpayer risk, debt and interest on that debt… will be cursing you to your grave. May the strongest repercussions of what you refused to help stop lie in your own backyard.

B-Rob, The Pretender is the TEMPORARY resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I have better than 29 YEARS invested in keeping Pseudo Intellectual phonies like You
Safe. Running my ranch back home brings me more income than Military pay as an O-6.
I pay more taxes in a year than you most likely make in a year and have seen residents of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue come and go based upon elections. My Rank is Permanent.

Over almost 3 decades I deployed to places where Foreign Policy and Diplomacy poorly conducted fell on it’s ass because of poor judgment, bad decisions and ideologies based upon ignorance on the part of clowns in office. I don’t need a lecture from you on any subject.

Get over it Jocko. Obama is a phony and a one termer. Why was I recalled to Active Duty from Retirement if the Boy Wonder and his Band of Idiots had things so well in hand?

Things are not so well in hand here and no, it is not Bush’s fault. It was a hesitancy, lack of priorities, failure to take sound advice from Professionals that marks Obama as a rank amateur and a Pretender in all of the 57 States and abroad.

You don’t have to answer that. I know the answers and You quite frankly don’t.
Otherwise you would be running something other that a keyboard.

Gas averages $2.91 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, B-Rob. So how is it that you paid a little more than 30 cents less than the national average? I don’t know, but it leads me to believe that it is you who might be the one fudging numbers for your own benefit. As for food, gonna have to disagree with you there. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, a loaf of bread cost on average a little over $2.00 (Buck 97 without taxes, which vary by state) in 2009. Hard to believe that it was around $1.10 to $1.50 circa 1998 to 2008 according to the same source. Also, you’re confusing the market with the overall economy. Either that, or you’re changing the word from market to economy in all the recent news article about the rising market we’ve been seeing.

No, the United States economy is still not doing well. The market for December of 2009 had an “upswing” because of the holidays. People spent their money, and as a result, money began to circulate through the markets causing a spike in their numbers. And as our nations history shows, we can have a good market and still have a bad overall economy. As for the unemployment rate, it went down by a little bit, but it wasn’t anything significant. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad some people found work during the holiday season. However, a .17 percent reduction in unemployment during the holiday season is kind of small compared to that of other years, and would hardly be considered an easing of unemployment. Well, at least the members of the United States Congress won’t think so, and for very good reasons.

Overall, most companies are still laying people off. Recently, their was an article in Time magazine covering people who got laid off of work before the holidays. In it, Brenda Schultz, a manager of a U.S. postal service store in Mobile, Alabama discusses her disappointment with having to lay off some of her employees two weeks before Christmas. I just want to clarify that, the USPS is beating many other mail couriers in the market, yet still cutting hours and people. My point being with this story is that many businesses are still cutting their number of employees, and cutting the hours of the workers that they’re keeping. Besides, most places like the USPS are usually happy to hire extra hands in terms of part-time employees and seasonal workers. Yet, they haven’t been doing so this year (including the holiday season, which is unusual) for the most part, and they don’t have plans to do so for at least two or more fiscal quarters. So there is a good chance that the .17 percent might be in vain because the unemployment rate might go back to 10.17% or even higher.

Sadly, some economists do not think employment will make a full recovery until the year 2013, and if this comes true, that will lead to many other obstacles that we will have to face as Americans until then. Take for example how employment and the value of our dollar may impact one another. For each of the past four months, the U.S. dollar has reached a new 30 year according to the San Bernardino Chronicle paper released during the week of December 12th, 2009. At the same time, our performance as a nation to create jobs hasn’t been so good, and the average unemployment rate for 2009 loomed at around 9 percent or higher.

I am not trying to be a nuisance by complaining about anything. I know that there are many nations going through much more difficult circumstances economically, as well as in other ways. I am grateful that I can still continue a good education, have clothes on my back, and food that my family can share. However, despite the fact that there’s good news coming out of this country every week, I can’t possibly concur with you that the economy is “easing.” Mainly because everything that I had read overwhelmingly indicates otherwise. Healing? Hopefully it’ll happen very soon, but it may be too early to tell.

BTW, Aye… allow me to thank you for @ putting into “pictures” the info for the reading challenged, like billy bob, that I have put into so many posts INRE the economics and housing forecasts. Truly you are becoming a “clocksmith” for cleaning the clocks of so many “parrots”, as Mike says.

Guess I should just make my future posts nothing but pictures, eh? We must, after all, appeal to the lowest common denominator. And our Chicago law school grad, billy bob, is a perfect example of such. LOL

I notice brainded rob didn’t post a single link supporting his fantasy world. I’m not shocked since the mentally ill like himself are allergic to facts and reality itself.

As for the teabagger comment, you must think we are as stupid as you to buy the BS excuse you posted. Like I said, if this was my site, you’d be gone for that alone. That’s besides the fact you are really just a troll.

I find it amusing “people” like you only seem to call names when you think you are safe. One on one I’ve found the behavior of libs to be rather different…more…cowardly.

MATA while I disagree with his POV, that isn’t my problem. When a vulgar name is used that is crossing a line as far as I’m concerned.
While I disagree with Larry W, I don’t want him banned. I have very little tolerance for the KOS types and b-rob is definitely one of them.

@IndieDogg… so sorry to have missed your “question” INRE our early patriots. Instead of concentrating on who our Founders were and what they did for a living, let’s revisit what happened to those who signed the Declaration of Independence. And yes… it’s the version from Snopes so no one can claim it’s pure conjecture. Less dramatic than the email versions, but the repercussions of aiding revolution are nonetheless pointed.

It is these same men (and families), who were punished by the British Empire, and/or the rebellion for freedom, for being at the heart of this nation and it’s frame for personal freedoms and limited goverment. It is in the company of these with these men that I consider myself in my (lack of) demands from government. Lawyers like billy bob would, of course, be representing the British Empire, and busy “alinsky’izing” those dissenting voices, leading the verbal lynch mobs (ironic, eh billy bob?).

If you haven’t read the fate of the 56 signers and their families… or re’read it in awhile… it’s always worth a gander. And far superior to what they did for a living.

@Hard Right: It does serve a useful purpose to have some of these George Soros trained parrots around. They are always nasty, like BLOB, and suffer from a lack of intellectual integrity (which Aye continues to demonstrate).

No one would believe us if we told them what a piece of work parrots like BLOB are. We have to show them.

And I am grateful that Mata, Aye and now Ryan are willing to debunk his idiocy. Of course they know that BLOB will never admit he is wrong. Frankly, I’d rather spend the time developing new posts to reach a more receptive audience than arguing with one lefty loon, but hey, that’s me.

If anyone is wondering where I got the percentages of Germans and British who have access to the statins, here it is.

-National Center for Policy Analysis.
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649

I can deal with billy bob. The real question would be, can billy bob deal with his erroneous forecasts of a rosy future under Obama’s spending frenzy?

I would have to say, Mataharley, that the ingenious B-Rob is taking his cues and mannerisms from the infamous Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” manifesto. The core rules for dealing with debates, as detailed in the book, is to verbaly insult your opposition and use confusing and conflicting sources of information which is not yet acredited to be true to dismantle the real data and facts.

I hate the book, but I have been skimming though a copy of it to understand it and to see what weaknesses to these rules have and so far the only weakness this book has is: The Truth. Even if a certain point,person, or event is polarized and attacked, the truth of the matter from the defending side has to be expressed loudly and go on the offense to challenge the authenticity of the polarized attack’s sources and facts.

Ryan –

I get the stats on statins. But until the French, Belgian, British systems have WORSE life expectancies, more malpractice, and fewer individuals with insurance, the US system will still fail to measure up.

I live in a town, Cleveland, with strong, internationally know health care facilities. My next door neighbor, a urologist, travels to the Persian Gulf region to treat patients. The hotel near where I work has been taken over by by some royal family from the Gulf. It is a great town to get sick in. But if you don’t have insurance, you go to county hospital, which is going broke, of course, treating the uninsured. Other local hospitals have gone under for the same reason. Go a bit south of me, into Appalachia, and the health care outcomes are at Third World levels. The socialized countries simply don’t have those issue and, as a result, they have a better system. As it was once described — our system consists of islands of excellence in a sea of mediocrity. It is why, when compared to Canada, England, Germany, France, etc., our numbers simply SUCK.

Unless and until cons come up with some construct that deals with these issues, the only option will be a Canada-like, or Britain-like system. And forget about “tax credits” — if you don’t have a job, you can offer as many tax credits as you want and I still won’t be able to buy coverage. And even if I have them money, I can;t get coverage if I have a pre-existing condition. How does a tax credit help then? It doesn’t. Nope . . . the Obama bill will have some significant impact; but if it does result in 30 million people having coverage and preventative care who would not otherwise have that, you cons will have a tough row to hoe explaining why it should not pass at all.

@B-Rob: I don’t think life is going to suck while Obama is in power. None of the stuff he is proposing will go into effect until after he leaves. I think it is going to suck for our children and their children. You can’t keep spending money you don’t have and expect it to magically disappear. We are in debt. Debt means money you don’t have, you have borrowed. Sometime later it will have to be paid back.

I also am increasingly concerned with the increasing role of government. I like my freedom. I want my children to have the same freedom that I have, the same freedom of opportunity that currently exists. I don’t want to live as Europeans do. I don’t want my children to live as they do. I lived in Germany for three years. Gas prices are outrageous. The cost of insurance and owning your own vehicle is beyond the means of ordinary citizens for the most part. The cost of groceries is highter than I have ever been used to. The Germans pay more taxes out of their paycheck than any Americans do. They have to pay for health care (surprise it is not free), universal day care, and the many,many other programs.

I am currently struggling to make ends meet on our current income. If my tax rate would jump up another twenty to thirty percent to cover health care and the many many more programs that they want to enact, my family will go under. And so will many others.

And if you are naive enough to believe any government official who says that they won’t raise taxes, I have a bridge to sell you. They never raise your taxes at first. They wait until you become dependent upon them and their services, and then they gouge you.

There is a reason you keep government as small and as less intrusive as possible. And Obama and the Democrats and the rogue Republicans who believe that tax payer money is their personal checkbook is the perfect example. Remember in his first year in the senate, Obama claimed over $9 million dollars of our money in pork, without doing a damn thing to earn it!

That is what I resent. And it has to stop for our sake, the sake of our children and the sake of our grandchildren.

I would like to add something about Medicaid if I might add. Medicaid is a state run government health program, whereas Medicare is a federal run program. They both suck. In the state of Michgian, Medicaid has a terrible reimbursement rate for physicians and providers. If they don’t pay the bill within 30 days, they can take up a year to pay the bill. Even then they might not pay if. You can’t even status the claim for six months, and then you have to do it online. You are not allowed to call them and speak to a live person to resolve a problme. You have to do everything in writing or online. THus, as you can imagine. Many, many, many bills do not get paid, but the services were provided. Plus, you are not allowed to bill the patient if they had good medicaid. If they don’t get paid, the provider has to write it off.

When they choose to pay, reimbursement rate averages around 30 percent for physicians, and if you are lucky for inpatient or outpatient services, you might get them to pay 10 percent. The rest has to be written off.

COnsequently many hospitals and physicans will no longer take medicaid patients becasue the goverment screws them. Hospitals and physicians have to take the medicaid patients if they are recieving federal or state grants, but if they are totally private, many will not take the medicaid patients. My sisiter-in-law who lives in Alabama always has a struggle to find a doctor who will take her medicaid insurance, and she has to travel a long way to find one.

@Flyovercountry:

So, are you also filling up for $2.60 per gallon like the “ahem” Chicago attorney?

Re: Missy

So, are you also filling up for $2.60 per gallon like the “ahem” Chicago attorney?

Two days ago, after Tuesday’s market restoration, I paid 2.74 per gallon. I didn’t see what it was today, but you can bet the price will be forever changing. The sad truth of the matter is, it could be about a buc a gallon if we would simply decide to drill for it here in our own nation. Deer Season is in November to December in most states, I think we need to open up January for Liberal season on a national level.

@Mr. Irons:

I’m outside of Chicago, it was $2.81 a couple of days ago. I also looked up Chicago prices because brotha’ b-rob had told us earlier that he was a S. Chicago attorney and knew people that knew Obama. Now he’s telling us he lives in Cleveland, next to an in-the-know urologist.

In a day or so he will attempt to make an honest man of himself and just may tell us he’s from Des Moines living next to an ethanol salesman. Gas prices there might be that cheap, Iowa is usually around 25-30 cents cheaper than we are with Des Moines having thee bargain basement gas prices.

Aye Chihuahua,

I am not at all sure what the gas price thing is all about, but I notice some confusion on where B-Rob is from. He has claimed to live in both Cleveland, and Chicago. Maybe next week he’ll move down the alphabet to Denver, of Des Moines. If he’s an attorney of even a para legal, then litteraly, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle. My guess, is that this fool is one of those Saudi paid blog spammers touting the liberal meme, or possibly an Acorn thug. I will say thanks for your gas price posts for my city. I notice that Costco is listed as the lowest, which is not quite fair, as you need a membership to actually purchase gas there. 50 bucks, and you are allowed to buy their gas for a year.

Well, I see BLOB did succeed in his major goal, which was to change the subject from Dems dropping like flies to a discussion on gas prices…

Not exactly a smart strategy since that’s just as big a loser for Obama as Dems retiring.

In an effort to tie the two together, here’s a reason why so many Dems will be “retiring” one way or another in November:

The Obama undertow is going to sink them all in November!

A few things . . .

I would gladly discuss how the Dems are “dropping like flies” if that were so. But seeing as more GOPers, and a higher percentage, are exiting stage right than Dems exiting stage left, you cons are concerned about the speck in their eye and ignoring the friggin 2 X 4 in your own.

I never said I live in Chicago. I went to law school there, but have lived in Cleveland for the past 16 years. I just paid $2.60 for gas while driving between Cleveland and Columbus. In town it is probably closer to $2.75.

Among the hospitals that have closed here during my 16 years here include the ones mentioned previously, as well as St. Michaels, St. Lukes, Mt. Sinai, and another one on the south central side of town that I can’t recall at the moment. To say that hospitals have not “closed” but there has been “consolidation” reminds me of the road manager in “This is Spinal Tap” saying that the lads were “playing to a more selective audiance.” In fact, those hospitals closed for the same reason that Metro, the county hospital, is in trouble: too much uncompensated care extended to people without insurance.

When I was at Legal Aid (my BigFirm mandatory pro bono stop) one of the clients I helped was a guy who was a mid 50 year old laid off engineer from Lakewood. Just after his COBRA ran out, he had a stroke. His bill from Metro was about $80,000. He was one of those people too young for Medicare, too “rich” for Medicaid, and not wealthy enough to pay the $500 per month to continue COBRA. THAT is the problem with our system that needs to be fixed: the middle class, the shaky relationship between employment and health care coverage, and the bankrupting effects (on individuals and hospitals) of uninsured and, therefore, uncompensated health care. Add in Medicare and Medicaid paying low and paying slow, add in insurance companies unwilling to pay a dollar more than Medicare/caid does and you have a situation where my soon to be ex gets reinbursed about 30 cents on the dollar . . . from both government and non-government sources.

The GOP had several years of uninterrupted control of the House, the Senate, and the White House. There were enough interested Dems who would have GLADLY gotten involved to address the engineer’s problem I just mentioned –= led by Ted Kennedy. But did the GOP ever make any effort to address the problem? No. It simply was not a priority. Likewise, had the GOP actually tried to get involved in solving the problem now, maybe there would have been a “better” less statist oriented bill. But, again, the GOP calculation was to just stand on the side lines, yell “death panels”, and try to keep the unworkable and nutty status quo going.

Where was the GOP proposal on pre-existing conditions? At least the Dems give the insurance companies some cover on that by expanding the pool with the coverage mandate. But now the GOP attorney generals want to attack the coverage mandate, as if that has nothing to do with any other part of the bill. Again . . . no interest in solving the problem, just pissing in the lemonade.

There is a reason why you guys are the minority party, getting older and shrinking. There is a reason why people under 35 are more willing to say they have the clap than claim the GOP is their party. “Keep your government hands off my Medicare” says it all: you cons have made yourself the joke.

So, let me get this right:

You’re pretty much flip flopping on what you’ve said piror about being in Chicago?

Wait… what?

I wouldn’t exactly say, “doubled.” In 2006 gas prices were pretty much where they are now but climbing up. Infact, if memory recalls the Democrats in Congress/Senate mostly ran on a platform of bringing fuel prices down and to combat the evil Bush fuel monopoly. Funny how in 2008 the fuel prices were almost tipping 4.00 or higher a gallon across the nation while Congress did completely nothing to fuel prices. I remember paying almost 3.46 a gallon of gas in Wichita back in 2008 a few times in the summer and the local papers warning that 2009’s projected fuel prices could hit 4.50… I also still had a job in 2008 at Cessna till Congress choosed to insult Private Aircraft industries…

@ B-Rob the communist

There is a reason why people under 35 are more willing to say they have the clap than claim the GOP is their party

I’d imagine with the loose moral standards and rampant promiscuity of today’s youth, more youngsters having the clap than membership in the GOP is probably closer to the truth than you realize.

Likewise, had the GOP actually tried to get involved in solving the problem now, maybe there would have been a “better” less statist oriented bill. But, again, the GOP calculation was to just stand on the side lines, yell “death panels”, and try to keep the unworkable and nutty status quo going

Of course B-Rob the communist totally over looks the 30 House bills introduced by Republicans that were pointed out in post 78. Go figue.

What resembles an osterich with it’s head in the sand? A demonicrat.

Oh! Oh!… I’m on a roll now! What do you see when the pillsbury doughboy bends over? Doughnuts

@Donald Bly: I guess he hasn’t seen the newest Gallup poll.

Conservatives are on the rise!

And we ain’t voting for Democrats!

Donald, don’t lose hope. One thing that I have learned about kids and children. They could care less what the teachers ideological bent. Most kids tune out the political rantings of their teachers, and I have found from personal experience is that children love the truth, especially teens, and they can smell a line of bull from very far off. They and our college youth have learned the art of survival in school. Tell them what they want to hear, collect your good grades and move on.

I really believe that teahers don’t have all that great of impact as they believe that they do. What a child leans and respects is what they learn and value at home, and many parents, once they grow up and have children, surprisingly revert back to a more conservative approach.

Tradition has always worked because the definition of tradition is this: those attitudes, beliefs and customs that withstand the test of time. Sorry for the cliche, but it is true.

Don’t despair.

@ TammyL

I was chagrined to see Sean Hannity use the term “Tea Bag Movement” last night on his show. Hopefully, some of his staff noticed and he subsequently issued an apology, but I didn’t see it.

Mr. Irons –

No I didn’t “flip flop” on where I live, because I never said I live in Chicago. In fact, please find the post where I said I did, since you accused me of lying.

Donald Bly —

Go see your doctor. Tell him that he needs to take you up a step on the meds because your cognition is slipping. Don, if “Communist” is the best you can do to describe the part that controls 60% of the Senate, a similar percentage of the House, and the same percentave of the state houses, then what does that say about the GOP? That the average American would rather have Communists running the show than the GOP speaks a mouthful about the rot that is the current Party of Lincoln.

And Don, the fact the young people don’t and won’t vote GOPer, a HUGE swing from 20 years ago, that means nothing to you? Let me put it this way: if a product manufacturer found out that its product was skewing older and older because young people reject it; it was becoming more regional and having less appeal nationwide (even in the New England region where the product used to rule the roost); if the product was less and less attractive to fast growing minority groups; and college educate people and subsurbanites are also running from it too — that product manufacturere would want to do something FAST to solve the problem. But what is the GOP response to this? Tea baggers, birthers and death panels. Yeah . . . that works.

Mike –

Kasich was a hot commodity . . . back in the late 80s! He will be running against a pro-gun Methodist minister who will have balanced the budget by CUTTING SPENDING first, then raising taxes as a last resort. Kasich has the same chance of winning that a beef tenderloin has when thrown to a hungry dog: slim and none.

@Mike’s America:

Are you talking about Gallup? They mentioned that in January, 2009 Democrats had the lead in the Generic Ballot by 7 points.

Now, January. 2010, Republicans are up 9 points……Dems lost 16 points in a year and it is now Republicans favored by 44%, Dems sitting with 35%.

What a difference a year makes!

Or, are you talking about Rasmussen?

Last year 37% identified as conservatives and 37% identified as moderates, liberals…..only 22% would claim that.

This year, 40% are claiming the conservative mantle, the moderates, 36% losing a point and liberals are still sucking the hind teet, also losing a point to come in at a whopping 21%.

IMHO, the biggest “con” was the “Lap Dummy” his ventriloquist managed to fool much of the 52% that voted for the dummy. They were “conned” into believing he was moderate. Bet that act don’t sell a second time.

@ B-Rob the Communist, Pinko, Socialist, Red, Markist, P.O.S.

I noticed that you, in your typical style, focused on a tangent while totally ignoring the 30 pieces of Republican legislation that has been introduced, contrary to your previous lying assertion that the GOP has offered nothing.

Hope you like the expansion of your new title, as you requested.

Gas prices, as by How Stuff Works:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/gas-price.htm

In reality, contary to your statement, gas prices ber bid of barrel of oil doesn’t truly factor into the final price of petro products. The current inventories produced on hand and ammount shipped do. Biddings on Crude Oil is the equal of Gold Value, it is only a fraction of the costs of the end good. Federal and State Taxation policies in the focus of Energy Consumption greatly factor into American Fuel prices more so than market bidding on Crude as there are other supplies of Oil outside of the bidding market for Crude for Companies to acquire and refine up to including internal acquistion and processing. State Laws also factor into the price as different States and Cities within the State have a “blend” law which dictates the Octane and chemical composure of the Gasoline consumed for cars, which can spike prices up by 20 cents alone before taxes are applied. And finaly there is the Demand for the good, which in winter time the demand shifts generaly to heating oils which means quick retrofit of reinferies to make oils and a decrease in gasoline supplied. The Demand, either way is high, the supply is purposely made short when in reality Oil wells (even with our consumption rate) won’t disappear for another 150 years.

Rasmussen has been a Pollster well before Bush, Jr. was even considering being a Governor…

And a Tactical Retreat is not something to laugh about. In History, almost every single time a hostile force gives quick chase to a taticaly retreating force, that hostile force generaly suffers massive loses to a regrouped and reinforced opposition in a new battlefield that does not allow application of the hostile force’s tactics.

@B-Rob said:

Mr. Irons –

No I didn’t “flip flop” on where I live, because I never said I live in Chicago. In fact, please find the post where I said I did, since you accused me of lying.

I believe I have just done that in my post above, billy bob…. unless, of course, you commuted to your law school classes at U of Chicago Law School from another state.

As I said before, I will not view him nor treat him as a professional. I may be an amature in the paralegal realm, but I am fully aware of Courtroom mannerisms and behaviors and B-Rob has expressed very little if any form of manners an Attorney would hold inside and outside a courtroom. Infact his posting habits mirror that of a childlish troll who plagues a typical Video Game Forum (God knows I’ve had to deal with that rabble, being a former Forum Moderator) which highly contradicts his claims. Unless he can prove he is able to legaly practice in Ohio or Illionis, I hold doubt on his claims. If memory serves me right, he would have to get his B.A.R. in Ohio to even remotely practice which makes going to Chicago totally pointless to reference… I could be mistaken.

Hell, Jack Thompson of Florida had his B.A.R. revoked due to the same behavioral patterns B-Rob is expressing.

B-Rob,

The, “Lawyer,” from Clevecago, you are calling someone else a liar. That is funny. Try arguing in the arena of ideas, and stay away from insults you Acorn dolt. Why is it, when someone suggests that the federal tax load is too high, you suggest cutting esential services? I can think of a lot of useless gov. spending to eliminate before we get down to road repair. The States and local counties pay for these things also. If you are from Ohio, I am sure you have heard of ODOT. By the way, nobody from Cleveland refers to any geography as the South Side. There is an East Side, West Side, Parma and Strongsville and all of the other South Suburbs. My point, if you were able to comprehend such things, is that gas prices fluctuate daily, and are in no way an indication of the Zero’s success as POTUS.

As for yur personal tone, since you went there, intercourse yourself.

Irons –

I point out the obvious:

If 4% of Dem major office holders retiring means Dems are “dropping like flies”, then what does 10% of GOPer office holders retiring mean?

From a futures perspective, so many GOPers heading for the hills means that they think things will be worse for them if they run; it means more GOPers are spooked than Dems.

You can call it a “tactical retreat” if you want. But it looks to me like they are running scared!

Flyovercountry, you lied and you got caught. I used U.S. government historical charts to prove you were full of “it”, not wikipedia.

Your Cleveland geography lesson was interesting but not germane to anything I am aware of.

I asked you a simple question: if you cut the gas tax, where is the f*cking money going to come from to keep the roads in decent shape? It is the simple point Obama made when McCain and Hillary were running around stupidly calling for a cut in the tax. It showed that neither one of them were serious, though. And both were punished accordingly by the election gods.

Cons love to cut taxes; they just refuse to think about the consequences of those actions. The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were sold with b.s. “dynamic scoring” where presto chango money was going to fall out of the sky if taxes were cut, and the spending would keep increasing. Guess what? We got deficits instead.

There is no free lunch, cons. Didn’t Bush doubling the national debt in about six years time teach you guys anything?

I gotta go . . . football game is coming on. See ya! And just remember, folks: if you can;’t run with the big dogs, best stay on the porch.

@B-Rob, Communist, Socialist, Pinko, Red, Marxist, Lying POS

I’ll try to add to the moniker each time Rob.

You have a few choices of explanations, I guess. Either they thought there was no problem, or they thought the problem was not important enough to address. At any rate, the GOP did NOTHING to address the problem. 30 bills after the fact is not impressive. Why didn’t they get all jazzed up and energized when they had the numbers to do something about the problem? Why weren’t they holding town hall meetings and going on talk radio championing their conservative approaches to the problem? Look, some of you here think there is no problem. Fine. Whatever.

The majority of americans 85% are content with their health care.

But the vast vast majority of Americans simply disagree with you.

The majority of americans do not want to see Obamacare passed I don’t see that as disagreement.

That is why 60 members of the Senate and a similar percentage of the House and a president elected with 350+ electoral votes and the most votes ever garnered in a presidential election (winning formerly red North Carolina, Virginia, etc.) — they did what the GOP refused to do — address the problem

Actually they bought into the lies of Obama and the misinformation of the MSM. Obama never did campaign on health care reform. Imagine that! Now that their eyes have been opened, we will experience a sea changein 2010.

You can live in your lies the rest of us see the bullshit for the crap it truly is.

@B-Rob:

Didn’t Bush doubling the national debt in about six years time teach you guys anything?

Yep. It sure did.

It taught us that no matter how bad Bush was for spending, Obie and the gang are much, much worse.

Another uncomfortable graphic for you:

What was your point again?

The thing is, the Republican members who are retiring aren’t doing so for the same reasons that Dodd and Dorgan are retiring for. The reason why both Dodd and Dorgan are choosing to retire is because it looks like their hopes of being reelected aren’t going to come true, just as the original post had stated. Besides, a good chunk of the Republicans retiring have little to fret about. The odds of them being replaced by another Republican are pretty good.

“There is no free lunch, cons. Didn’t Bush doubling the national debt in about six years time teach you guys anything?”

I was pretty sure that Congress was the one that controlled spending. Anyway, the national debt of this country has been reaching new heights each fiscal year even before the Republicans took the Congress, what have the Democrats learned then? Are they learning anything now?

@B-Rob, now why would I think you would “cringe” at the mention of either Alinsky or Soros? Instead, I would believe… from your comments… you revere them. BUt it’s nice to see that when you’re cornered by facts, you resort to group/class personal assault… as in “you Cons… etc etc etc”.

Let’s get something straight… I admire nothing about Alinksy. Community organization based on exploitation of people’s fears and personal bias to gain political and policy power is possibly the second lowest of the low. The first low would be, of course, the lawyers who profit from the same.

Personally, I’d love to be in a room with you and Elder plus Scalia. I’d find that highly entertaining, as would they. You see, I don’t like what you advocate for this nation. And I also know neither do they.

But I also recognize that humans are made up of difference facets. I’m not totally blind to your career and chosen legal expertise. I suspect there are some cases you have either been involved in either as a brief contributor, or perhaps a front line trial lawyer, that we may agree on what you see as “justice”. But then, as a lawyer, you aren’t supposed to have an opinion about your clientele in order to serve their contracted representation.

I have commented several times here that, when I see your comments and methods of blog “prosecution”, you are predictable and somewhat inadequate. When you, yourself, are whupped via facts, you resort to personal “you Cons” attacks. And then, again when whupped, you do exactly that which you accuse me… or others… of… i.e.

As for the Alinsky . . . whatever . . . I see when you cons are beaten down by the facts, you like to throw out names that I guess is supposed to make me cringe . . . like Alinsky or George Soros. I find it amusing, actually. Because whenever someone throws out something totally unrelated to the subject, that is when you know you have them whipped.

Perhaps that may be why you have willingly led the thread on a merry chase thru gas prices, gas taxes, national debt, and bashing the truly despicable GOP when they were behaving almost as badly as YOUR Congress members and YOUR POTUS today.

Did you think we would not notice? Suggestion… don’t engage in high stakes poker games with observant players…..

As far as I’m concerned, you have only one viable statement on this thread. And that is addressing percentages of retirees from both parties.

Sans a specific list, and being a firm believer that I haven’t seen more than a handful of genuine conservatives operating under the Republican ticket in a decade, my question to you would be this….

Figures are lies, and only liars figure. The reality lies in the specifics of each individual retiree. The numbers of GOPers retiring, if your sources are correct, are a higher percentage of a minority figure. That is true. But the real question is, how many of those “GOPers” retiring are RINOs with little chance of being re’elected in their district because of their voting records?

But I detect not a bone of genuine curiousity in you to delve into the truth behind the numbers. Tell you what.. you supply a list of those GOPers, and I’ll supply the links to their voting records. Then we can see *what* is retiring… a Dem wrapped in the GOP colors, or a conservative GOPer.

I’m not much of a party person myself. There’s more than a few of us here on that point. So I don’t care about “R v D” in elections. I care about fiscal responsibility (of which we’ve seen none from either party in decades…), minimal to no federal intrusion into our private lives, and not “remaking America” into a Euro-socialist country merely to have a government take over of 1/6th of our economy. And considering your corporate connection background, I have to wonder just why you sanction this yourself… unless it’s just some power play for control. After all, the “have nots” have less chance under a social justice democracy to become the power player you and your POTUS have become under that ugly America you both so wish to change.

@B-Rob:

Tax cuts do not produce higher revenues.

Wow.

Talk about someone bein’ outta their element:

“Highest Level of Federal Receipts in History”…….

View at EasyCaptures.com…

Economic Issues

June 14, 2007
THE REAL TAX STORY BURIED

One of the assertions made about the U.S. economy is that President Bush’s tax cuts didn’t do what he promised. But the data clearly show nothing could be farther from the truth, says Investors Business Daily (IBD).

Democrats argue that the government has been starved of revenues and that higher taxes are needed to make up for it. But this is arrant nonsense, says IBD:

* Tax revenues will be about 18.5 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) this year — above the average of 18.2 percent since 1960.
* As for inflation-adjusted tax revenues — a little-used but equally telling statistic — they’ll reach an all-time high of $2.013 trillion.
* That’s higher even than in the last year of the dot-com boom — an astounding 26 percent gain since 2003 — after inflation.

Amid a boom in revenues and growth, another myth has been dispelled — that of tax cuts being for the rich:

* Those with incomes less than $40,000 a year — about 45 million taxpayers – on average, pay no federal income tax.
* The top 1 percent of filers in 2004 paid 36.9 percent of all personal income taxes and the top 5 percent paid 57.1 percent — in other words, more than the remaining 95 percent.
* The average person reporting income of more than $1 million paid $743,000 in taxes; those in the $500,000 to $1 million range paid an average $164,701.

But by far the worst misconception of Bush’s tax cuts is that they did nothing for economic growth. This is just plain silly, says IBD:

* Since the last tranche of Bush’s tax cuts in May 2003, real GDP has grown 13 percent — or a bit more than 3.2 percent a year.
* Before that, from President Clinton’s final year in office, growth averaged 1.5 percent; it basically doubled after the tax cuts.

Source: Editorial, “The Tax Story Media Invariably Bury,” Investors’ Business Daily, June 14, 2007.

For text:

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=266627596553650

For more on Economic Issues:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_Category=17

Cons also think that any tax cut increases revenues and any tax increase decreases demand on the supply side.

Sort of funny to hear you make this argument. ‘Tis the Dims who are constantly talking about how increasing the tax on cigarettes/tobacco will drive down usage of the product while, at the same time, tying funding for their pet projects etc directly to tobacco tax dollars that, under the laws of economics, and their very own theories, will dry up due to wait for it….higher taxes.

So, which is it?

Do higher taxes produce lower demand or not?

Finally, there’s this gem:

But all the numbers point to a continued recovery . . .

What numbers would those be?

Specifics please.

You were mercilessly pummeled yesterday regarding your economics claims.

I sure hope you’re good at baking a pound cake because, thus far, your economic, political, and legal analyses have been less than stellar and, dare I say it, unimpressive.

Be sure to catch Peggy Noonan’s op-ed in the WSJ today:

If Mr. Obama is extremely lucky—and we’re not sure he’s a lucky man anymore—he will get a Republican Congress in 2010, and they will do for him what Newt Gingrich did for Bill Clinton: right his ship, give him a foil, guide him while allowing him to look as if he’s resisting, bend him while allowing him to look strong.

Which gets us to the Republicans. The question isn’t whether they’ll win seats in the House and Senate this year, and the question isn’t even how many. The question is whether the party will be worthy of victory, whether it learned from its losses in 2006 and ‘08, whether it deserves leadership. Whether Republicans are a worthy alternative. Whether, in short, they are serious.

@MataHarley:

I know that all but two Reps are leaving to compete for higher office and Radanovich in California is leaving due to his wife’s illness, but, he’s leaving a solid red seat.

Senator Bonds, R-Mo announced his retirement quite awhile ago, he’s just getting old. I’ve seen him on the talk show circuit and he doesn’t look well so, it may be health related. There’s another 7 term Repub, can’t remember his name or state, is leaving because he’s been in public office since 72 and just wants to retire. Don’t know about the rest, but, they aren’t getting run out of office due to Obama policies, Countrywide(Dodd/Dorgan), taking funding from airport screening and handing it to unions(Dodd), ACORN, SEIU, the Freddies, economy, jobs, etc.

But, the numbers are meaningless, this is an off year election and the opposing party always pick up seats during a president’s first term, GWB is the only president in years and years where that didn’t hold true. Then when you factor in the mood of the public, which took out Dodd and Dorgan, Lincoln will be gone and Landreau is facing a recall petition, Nelson-NE is in trouble, Reid is in trouble, etc., whoever put together those percentages were doing it for spin. Someone fell for it.

A couple of weeks ago a Dem polster was on FOX saying that Dodd was hearing it from the DNC, his polling was so bad they wanted someone in there that could save the seat, immediately, Blumenthal appears. And, that’s the dem strategy for 2010. Sacrifice their players to get what they want and dangle some shiny new faces to replace them. Hopefully the voters are smarter than that, even in Massachusetts, Brown might pull it off. Voting in more dems will mean the total distruction of this country and a sad future for our grandchildren.

Mike–

Peggy Noonan a RINO? LOL! You crack me up.

Didn’t you claim to work for Ronald Reagan? If that were actually true, then you should know that Peggy Noonan was Reagan’s primary speech writer and special assistant. Maybe you were just padding your resume a bit?

@John Cooper: I didn’t “claim” I worked for Reagan, I DID.

And yes, Peggy was a great speechwriter during that time.

But in case you hadn’t noticed, she wandered off the reservation big time in 2008.

Who can forget what she wrote in Nov. 2008:

“Mr. Obama’s cabinet picks and other nominations suggest moderation, also maturity.”

Perhaps because you are so new to all of this that you were not aware of that and so much more.

It’s interesting that you dump on Sean Hannity for one slip of the tongue, but how many columns did Peggy Noonan write praising Obama?

I have always liked Peggy Noonan, but not so much in the last two years. And I certainly would not call her a conservative. When she wrote speeches for Reagan, she was writing his words and thoughts, not her own.

When I call her a RINO I am merely applying YOUR standard. And yes, it is funny!

@Missy, stellar analysis, as usual.

MataHarley
Aye Chihuahua

Thank you guys for the vindication of some earlier points with B-Rob from Clevecago. In his current perspective as an officer of the court system in the Vanilla Sky Universe, I had somehow lied, even though I really didn’t post any actual hard facts, but merely opinion. I must ask that this moron be kept around though, if only for pure entertainment purposes.

It is a little amusing isn’t it?

What’s more amusing is the complete lack of response when the evidence to disprove his claims is laid out. He just moves right on like no one ever answered him.

What are the chances that Mr. ParaLegal² was not anywhere even remotely close to the head of his class there on the South Side?

RE: Aye Chihuahua
MataHarley

I very seriously doubt that B-Rob from Clevecago is an attorney. I doubt that he has any education beyond high school. The wonderful thing about the Internet, is that behind a keyboard, a person can be anything they want to be. B-Rob’s arguments are in no way suggestive of a lawyer’s. His conclusions are childish, at best. Believe it or not, there are people paid by the Royal House of Saud, the Soros Group, and others to post trash on blogs, promoting various agenda’s. B-Rob’s rants remind me of those. I find it amusing that B-Rob has a lack of geographic knowledge of the Cleveland area, considering this is one of the places he claims to be from. I am sure, that B-Rob has other nic’s which will soon chime in with tacit agreement to each inane rambling he posts here.

RE: Mike’s America

I think I need to draw a distinction here. He is not a sock puppet, so much as he is a paid lackey. He receives his talking points, his marching orders, and then he spams sites using a variety of nics, and straw man arguments. He is rude to all who are not on the side of his masters. B-Ror from Clevecago is nothing short of pathetic. I can think of no other way to describe spamming blogs for your supper. The funny thing is, who does he think he is going to influence in this forum? Anyone who agrees with his nonsense is either another nic he is personally using or someone he probably knows.