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Just to clarify the billy bob, Chicago lawyer living in Cleveland, confusion. The association with Chicago comes from personal info freely divulged by him mid Nov 2009 stating: “…Me . . . I’m just a simple attorney with a degree from a certain law school on the South Side of Chicago, practicing management side litigation.”
If we are left with the impression that he still resides in Chicago, it is of his own accord – whether by omission, or a genuine lack in our “need to know” status.
I care not. Where ever billy bob chooses to practice under his current firm spanning Ohio and Chicago – and I assure you I don’t care where that is – he is… and still remains … a South Side Chicago lawyer practicing in a different state. You simply move your practice, your approach and your ideology right along with you. Your roots remain founded in your education and beliefs. billy bob’s comments here do little but substantiate that you can move the man to Ohio, but you can’t move Chicago Alinsky’ite out of the man. This also holds true when you view the Chicago style, bully pulpit politics practiced on those that disagree, emanating from the WH today.
So in the future, if you wish to refer to him as a “Cleveland lawyer” instead… feel free. Technically that is correct, until he moves his practice and associations. . Emotionally? Pure Chicago.
No I didn’t “flip flop” on where I live, because I never said I live in Chicago. In fact, please find the post where I said I did, since you accused me of lying.
I believe I have just done that in my post above, billy bob…. unless, of course, you commuted to your law school classes at U of Chicago Law School from another state.
B-Rob
14 years ago
Don, your resort to name callling only shows how small a brain you have. Communist? That’s the best you can come up with?
Don, answer one question:
Why didn’t the GOP, when it had all the power, solve the problems I laid out in my post at 81, above?
You have a few choices of explanations, I guess. Either they thought there was no problem, or they thought the problem was not important enough to address. At any rate, the GOP did NOTHING to address the problem. 30 bills after the fact is not impressive. Why didn’t they get all jazzed up and energized when they had the numbers to do something about the problem? Why weren’t they holding town hall meetings and going on talk radio championing their conservative approaches to the problem?
Look, some of you here think there is no problem. Fine. Whatever. But the vast vast majority of Americans simply disagree with you. That is why 60 members of the Senate and a similar percentage of the House and a president elected with 350+ electoral votes and the most votes ever garnered in a presidential election (winning formerly red North Carolina, Virginia, etc.) — they did what the GOP refused to do — address the problem.
Mr. Irons
14 years ago
As I said before, I will not view him nor treat him as a professional. I may be an amature in the paralegal realm, but I am fully aware of Courtroom mannerisms and behaviors and B-Rob has expressed very little if any form of manners an Attorney would hold inside and outside a courtroom. Infact his posting habits mirror that of a childlish troll who plagues a typical Video Game Forum (God knows I’ve had to deal with that rabble, being a former Forum Moderator) which highly contradicts his claims. Unless he can prove he is able to legaly practice in Ohio or Illionis, I hold doubt on his claims. If memory serves me right, he would have to get his B.A.R. in Ohio to even remotely practice which makes going to Chicago totally pointless to reference… I could be mistaken.
Hell, Jack Thompson of Florida had his B.A.R. revoked due to the same behavioral patterns B-Rob is expressing.
B-Rob
14 years ago
Mata, from 1990 to 1993 I lived and went to law school in Chicago . . . on the South Side. Hence Mike’s America referring to me as a “South Side shyster”, etc.
From 1993 to this very day, I have lived in Cleveland. Incidentally, when I met Antonin Scalia back in law school, he spoke fondly of my town, since that is where he started his career. As did noted conservative shill Larry Elder, who is a friend of friends of mine. Small world . . . .
I never said I live in Chicago NOW; but I did live there before. Anyone who inferred that I live there now, did so on their own. That does not make me a “flip flopper”; it makes them in error. Is all . . . .
As for the Alinsky . . . whatever . . . I see when you cons are beaten down by the facts, you like to throw out names that I guess is supposed to make me cringe . . . like Alinsky or George Soros. I find it amusing, actually. Because whenever someone throws out something totally unrelated to the subject, that is when you know you have them whipped. Like my ex’s friend in an argument with her boyfriend about the absence of “breakfats meats” with a Sunday repast:
Dude: How can you have breakfast without breakfast meats?!
Elaine: At least I don’t have five kids out of wedlock!
Similarly, when I point out the logical errors of saying Dems are “dropping like flies” when they represent a fraction of the GOPers who are turning biotch and running from the election fight, your mention of Saul Alinsky creates a similar “w.t.f.?” kind of reaction.
Flyovercountry
14 years ago
B-Rob,
The, “Lawyer,” from Clevecago, you are calling someone else a liar. That is funny. Try arguing in the arena of ideas, and stay away from insults you Acorn dolt. Why is it, when someone suggests that the federal tax load is too high, you suggest cutting esential services? I can think of a lot of useless gov. spending to eliminate before we get down to road repair. The States and local counties pay for these things also. If you are from Ohio, I am sure you have heard of ODOT. By the way, nobody from Cleveland refers to any geography as the South Side. There is an East Side, West Side, Parma and Strongsville and all of the other South Suburbs. My point, if you were able to comprehend such things, is that gas prices fluctuate daily, and are in no way an indication of the Zero’s success as POTUS.
As for yur personal tone, since you went there, intercourse yourself.
Mr. Irons
14 years ago
Your, “Facts” are mostly spun opinions hailing from blogs that support your views and when following the dirt trail they end up being backed by a weak wikipedia entry of the matter and not even acredited by a true source of information such as a news paper or hard publishing… Hardly something to brag about.
B-Rob
14 years ago
Irons —
I point out the obvious:
If 4% of Dem major office holders retiring means Dems are “dropping like flies”, then what does 10% of GOPer office holders retiring mean?
From a futures perspective, so many GOPers heading for the hills means that they think things will be worse for them if they run; it means more GOPers are spooked than Dems.
You can call it a “tactical retreat” if you want. But it looks to me like they are running scared!
Mr. Irons
14 years ago
And your facts are data collected from the previous 6 months. This is not true reflections of the current situation. I am an Engineering and Business student, poll data is typicaly a lagging indicator due to how long the material is collected. If you are an Attorney you would know that little piece of information by de facto due to your studies in the required sociology class. As of now, Congressional Districts’ constitugents are aggresively spamming many Senators and Congressmen of the Democrat Party with blunt statements they will not be voted back into office. This is hardly the work of the Tea Party group you so wishfuly want to fail. These are real Americans who have not been propperly Represented by the people they ellected and are putting forward the message that the pinkslip to the Encumbents facing re-ellection could very well be see the pinkslip by being displaced by a new canidate.
B-Rob
14 years ago
Flyovercountry, you lied and you got caught. I used U.S. government historical charts to prove you were full of “it”, not wikipedia.
Your Cleveland geography lesson was interesting but not germane to anything I am aware of.
I asked you a simple question: if you cut the gas tax, where is the f*cking money going to come from to keep the roads in decent shape? It is the simple point Obama made when McCain and Hillary were running around stupidly calling for a cut in the tax. It showed that neither one of them were serious, though. And both were punished accordingly by the election gods.
Cons love to cut taxes; they just refuse to think about the consequences of those actions. The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were sold with b.s. “dynamic scoring” where presto chango money was going to fall out of the sky if taxes were cut, and the spending would keep increasing. Guess what? We got deficits instead.
There is no free lunch, cons. Didn’t Bush doubling the national debt in about six years time teach you guys anything?
I gotta go . . . football game is coming on. See ya! And just remember, folks: if you can;’t run with the big dogs, best stay on the porch.
You have a few choices of explanations, I guess. Either they thought there was no problem, or they thought the problem was not important enough to address. At any rate, the GOP did NOTHING to address the problem. 30 bills after the fact is not impressive. Why didn’t they get all jazzed up and energized when they had the numbers to do something about the problem? Why weren’t they holding town hall meetings and going on talk radio championing their conservative approaches to the problem? Look, some of you here think there is no problem. Fine. Whatever.
The majority of americans 85% are content with their health care.
But the vast vast majority of Americans simply disagree with you.
The majority of americans do not want to see Obamacare passed I don’t see that as disagreement.
That is why 60 members of the Senate and a similar percentage of the House and a president elected with 350+ electoral votes and the most votes ever garnered in a presidential election (winning formerly red North Carolina, Virginia, etc.) — they did what the GOP refused to do — address the problem
Actually they bought into the lies of Obama and the misinformation of the MSM. Obama never did campaign on health care reform. Imagine that! Now that their eyes have been opened, we will experience a sea changein 2010.
You can live in your lies the rest of us see the bullshit for the crap it truly is.
Mr. Irons
14 years ago
So, let me get this right he slams Bush for increasing the national Debt in Six Years but gives a personal pass on Obama for praticaly trippling it in only a Year’s span?
There is no free lunch, cons. Didn’t Bush doubling the national debt in about six years time teach you guys anything?
And Obama tripling the national debt in 6 months means what? I gotta hand it to you B-Rob, even my pet rock wouldn’t be so stupid as to post that kind of bullshit as an argument for their case.
The thing is, the Republican members who are retiring aren’t doing so for the same reasons that Dodd and Dorgan are retiring for. The reason why both Dodd and Dorgan are choosing to retire is because it looks like their hopes of being reelected aren’t going to come true, just as the original post had stated. Besides, a good chunk of the Republicans retiring have little to fret about. The odds of them being replaced by another Republican are pretty good.
Mr. Irons
14 years ago
Ryan does bring up a good point. Most of the retiring Republicans already have a canidate they are politicaly backing and those canidates are running pretty strong in their communities and are being back by the Tea Party groups. Dodd and Dorgan are caught in a serious of dilemas that will hinder their ablity to get voted back into power, Dodd’s case being the AIG connections him and his Wife have.
“There is no free lunch, cons. Didn’t Bush doubling the national debt in about six years time teach you guys anything?”
I was pretty sure that Congress was the one that controlled spending. Anyway, the national debt of this country has been reaching new heights each fiscal year even before the Republicans took the Congress, what have the Democrats learned then? Are they learning anything now?
Mr. Irons
14 years ago
I’ve tried to highlight that Congress was the holder of responsiblity on such issues Ryan, but B-Rob keeps using the typical cliched action of blaming the Executive branch when that part of the Federal Government in focus of Domestic concerns.
@B-Rob, now why would I think you would “cringe” at the mention of either Alinsky or Soros? Instead, I would believe… from your comments… you revere them. BUt it’s nice to see that when you’re cornered by facts, you resort to group/class personal assault… as in “you Cons… etc etc etc”.
Let’s get something straight… I admire nothing about Alinksy. Community organization based on exploitation of people’s fears and personal bias to gain political and policy power is possibly the second lowest of the low. The first low would be, of course, the lawyers who profit from the same.
Personally, I’d love to be in a room with you and Elder plus Scalia. I’d find that highly entertaining, as would they. You see, I don’t like what you advocate for this nation. And I also know neither do they.
But I also recognize that humans are made up of difference facets. I’m not totally blind to your career and chosen legal expertise. I suspect there are some cases you have either been involved in either as a brief contributor, or perhaps a front line trial lawyer, that we may agree on what you see as “justice”. But then, as a lawyer, you aren’t supposed to have an opinion about your clientele in order to serve their contracted representation.
I have commented several times here that, when I see your comments and methods of blog “prosecution”, you are predictable and somewhat inadequate. When you, yourself, are whupped via facts, you resort to personal “you Cons” attacks. And then, again when whupped, you do exactly that which you accuse me… or others… of… i.e.
As for the Alinsky . . . whatever . . . I see when you cons are beaten down by the facts, you like to throw out names that I guess is supposed to make me cringe . . . like Alinsky or George Soros. I find it amusing, actually. Because whenever someone throws out something totally unrelated to the subject, that is when you know you have them whipped.
Perhaps that may be why you have willingly led the thread on a merry chase thru gas prices, gas taxes, national debt, and bashing the truly despicable GOP when they were behaving almost as badly as YOUR Congress members and YOUR POTUS today.
Did you think we would not notice? Suggestion… don’t engage in high stakes poker games with observant players…..
As far as I’m concerned, you have only one viable statement on this thread. And that is addressing percentages of retirees from both parties.
Sans a specific list, and being a firm believer that I haven’t seen more than a handful of genuine conservatives operating under the Republican ticket in a decade, my question to you would be this….
Figures are lies, and only liars figure. The reality lies in the specifics of each individual retiree. The numbers of GOPers retiring, if your sources are correct, are a higher percentage of a minority figure. That is true. But the real question is, how many of those “GOPers” retiring are RINOs with little chance of being re’elected in their district because of their voting records?
But I detect not a bone of genuine curiousity in you to delve into the truth behind the numbers. Tell you what.. you supply a list of those GOPers, and I’ll supply the links to their voting records. Then we can see *what* is retiring… a Dem wrapped in the GOP colors, or a conservative GOPer.
I’m not much of a party person myself. There’s more than a few of us here on that point. So I don’t care about “R v D” in elections. I care about fiscal responsibility (of which we’ve seen none from either party in decades…), minimal to no federal intrusion into our private lives, and not “remaking America” into a Euro-socialist country merely to have a government take over of 1/6th of our economy. And considering your corporate connection background, I have to wonder just why you sanction this yourself… unless it’s just some power play for control. After all, the “have nots” have less chance under a social justice democracy to become the power player you and your POTUS have become under that ugly America you both so wish to change.
One of the assertions made about the U.S. economy is that President Bush’s tax cuts didn’t do what he promised. But the data clearly show nothing could be farther from the truth, says Investors Business Daily (IBD).
Democrats argue that the government has been starved of revenues and that higher taxes are needed to make up for it. But this is arrant nonsense, says IBD:
* Tax revenues will be about 18.5 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) this year — above the average of 18.2 percent since 1960.
* As for inflation-adjusted tax revenues — a little-used but equally telling statistic — they’ll reach an all-time high of $2.013 trillion.
* That’s higher even than in the last year of the dot-com boom — an astounding 26 percent gain since 2003 — after inflation.
Amid a boom in revenues and growth, another myth has been dispelled — that of tax cuts being for the rich:
* Those with incomes less than $40,000 a year — about 45 million taxpayers – on average, pay no federal income tax.
* The top 1 percent of filers in 2004 paid 36.9 percent of all personal income taxes and the top 5 percent paid 57.1 percent — in other words, more than the remaining 95 percent.
* The average person reporting income of more than $1 million paid $743,000 in taxes; those in the $500,000 to $1 million range paid an average $164,701.
But by far the worst misconception of Bush’s tax cuts is that they did nothing for economic growth. This is just plain silly, says IBD:
* Since the last tranche of Bush’s tax cuts in May 2003, real GDP has grown 13 percent — or a bit more than 3.2 percent a year.
* Before that, from President Clinton’s final year in office, growth averaged 1.5 percent; it basically doubled after the tax cuts.
Source: Editorial, “The Tax Story Media Invariably Bury,” Investors’ Business Daily, June 14, 2007.
Cons also think that any tax cut increases revenues and any tax increase decreases demand on the supply side.
Sort of funny to hear you make this argument. ‘Tis the Dims who are constantly talking about how increasing the tax on cigarettes/tobacco will drive down usage of the product while, at the same time, tying funding for their pet projects etc directly to tobacco tax dollars that, under the laws of economics, and their very own theories, will dry up due to wait for it….higher taxes.
So, which is it?
Do higher taxes produce lower demand or not?
Finally, there’s this gem:
But all the numbers point to a continued recovery . . .
What numbers would those be?
Specifics please.
You were mercilessly pummeled yesterday regarding your economics claims.
I sure hope you’re good at baking a pound cake because, thus far, your economic, political, and legal analyses have been less than stellar and, dare I say it, unimpressive.
Be sure to catch Peggy Noonan’s op-ed in the WSJ today:
If Mr. Obama is extremely lucky—and we’re not sure he’s a lucky man anymore—he will get a Republican Congress in 2010, and they will do for him what Newt Gingrich did for Bill Clinton: right his ship, give him a foil, guide him while allowing him to look as if he’s resisting, bend him while allowing him to look strong.
Which gets us to the Republicans. The question isn’t whether they’ll win seats in the House and Senate this year, and the question isn’t even how many. The question is whether the party will be worthy of victory, whether it learned from its losses in 2006 and ’08, whether it deserves leadership. Whether Republicans are a worthy alternative. Whether, in short, they are serious.
TammyL
14 years ago
@John Cooper: Sean Hannity describes himself as a conservative first, a Republican second. I don’t know why he would use the term “Tea Bag movement” I agree with his ideas on a lot of things but I don’t like watching him because he seems too “intense or angry to me”. He is always smiling, but it is his voice. I feel like he is almost shouting all the time, and I can’t handle that kind of delivery. So for me with Hannity, it is his style that turns me off more than his ideas. He does define himself as a conservative.
However my only guess as to why he would use the term is to turn it around and to make it positive rather than negative so that the term loses its power to offend. However I don’t like the term especially when it is used by commentators such as Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow to turn it into a frat joke. By the way that frat joke was always offensive and said more about the frat boys who used it than the recipient.
This is an add on because I didn’t see John Coopers response just above, so I want to reply to it. Peggy Noonan is one of my favorite commentators. I like her reasonableness and her style. She is dead on. A republican vitory would force Obama to the Center. It may be his best chance for reelection. However, if they forget their main party themes of what they stand for, and they start acting like the Democrats in power, their victory will be for naught.
I am a conservative first, a Republican second. However I find myself becoming strongly intrigued by the Tea Party Movement. However I am not totally aboard there because I want to see more of what they will be about before I make a decision.
I know that all but two Reps are leaving to compete for higher office and Radanovich in California is leaving due to his wife’s illness, but, he’s leaving a solid red seat.
Senator Bonds, R-Mo announced his retirement quite awhile ago, he’s just getting old. I’ve seen him on the talk show circuit and he doesn’t look well so, it may be health related. There’s another 7 term Repub, can’t remember his name or state, is leaving because he’s been in public office since 72 and just wants to retire. Don’t know about the rest, but, they aren’t getting run out of office due to Obama policies, Countrywide(Dodd/Dorgan), taking funding from airport screening and handing it to unions(Dodd), ACORN, SEIU, the Freddies, economy, jobs, etc.
But, the numbers are meaningless, this is an off year election and the opposing party always pick up seats during a president’s first term, GWB is the only president in years and years where that didn’t hold true. Then when you factor in the mood of the public, which took out Dodd and Dorgan, Lincoln will be gone and Landreau is facing a recall petition, Nelson-NE is in trouble, Reid is in trouble, etc., whoever put together those percentages were doing it for spin. Someone fell for it.
A couple of weeks ago a Dem polster was on FOX saying that Dodd was hearing it from the DNC, his polling was so bad they wanted someone in there that could save the seat, immediately, Blumenthal appears. And, that’s the dem strategy for 2010. Sacrifice their players to get what they want and dangle some shiny new faces to replace them. Hopefully the voters are smarter than that, even in Massachusetts, Brown might pull it off. Voting in more dems will mean the total distruction of this country and a sad future for our grandchildren.
Didn’t you claim to work for Ronald Reagan? If that were actually true, then you should know that Peggy Noonan was Reagan’s primary speech writer and special assistant. Maybe you were just padding your resume a bit?
Hannity just made a Freudian slip – no big deal. I thought it was interesting and apparently my wife and I were the only ones in the free world who noticed it. Don’t feel bad about not watching Hannity. Not to make an unqualified generalization here, but historically speaking, most women don’t like politics at all – they’re concerned with family, friends, and job. I think that’s changing, though, and rightly so. Politics and fiscal irresponsibility during the Johnson and Carter years forced an entire generation of American women to have to get a job to make ends meet, with deleterious effects on their families.
I can’t speak for all Tea Parties, but the one I’m involved with has a mission statement:
“….the promotion and preservation of individual rights, Constitutionally limited government and free markets.”
Needless to say, we also oppose candidates and officeholders who don’t believe in those things.
@John Cooper: I didn’t “claim” I worked for Reagan, I DID.
And yes, Peggy was a great speechwriter during that time.
But in case you hadn’t noticed, she wandered off the reservation big time in 2008.
Who can forget what she wrote in Nov. 2008:
“Mr. Obama’s cabinet picks and other nominations suggest moderation, also maturity.”
Perhaps because you are so new to all of this that you were not aware of that and so much more.
It’s interesting that you dump on Sean Hannity for one slip of the tongue, but how many columns did Peggy Noonan write praising Obama?
I have always liked Peggy Noonan, but not so much in the last two years. And I certainly would not call her a conservative. When she wrote speeches for Reagan, she was writing his words and thoughts, not her own.
When I call her a RINO I am merely applying YOUR standard. And yes, it is funny!
Will gas and oil prices keep climbing? And if so, how much higher do they need to go before they possibly put a dent in what appears to be a burgeoning, yet still fragile, economic recovery?
Darin Newsom, senior analyst with Telvent DTN, a financial markets research firm based in Omaha, Neb., said it looks like there is momentum in the commodity markets. That should lead to higher oil and gas prices.
“Gas is going to continue go higher because the commodity markets in general seem to be on the run right now,” he said, adding that oil could approach $90 before cooling off and that gas might head toward $3 a gallon as a result.
That could be a problem for consumers. Some economists think that $3 a gallon for gasoline could lead to a noticeable change in consumer spending behavior.
Oh wait…that graph reflects that number of jobs available.
Here’s one for the unemployment numbers:
Flyovercountry
14 years ago
MataHarley
Aye Chihuahua
Thank you guys for the vindication of some earlier points with B-Rob from Clevecago. In his current perspective as an officer of the court system in the Vanilla Sky Universe, I had somehow lied, even though I really didn’t post any actual hard facts, but merely opinion. I must ask that this moron be kept around though, if only for pure entertainment purposes.
What’s more amusing is the complete lack of response when the evidence to disprove his claims is laid out. He just moves right on like no one ever answered him.
What are the chances that Mr. ParaLegal2 was not anywhere even remotely close to the head of his class there on the South Side?
“…. moves right on like no one ever answered him…”
Well that explains it, Aye… here I thought he rarely… if ever… responded to me and my comments on *any* thread directly because of gender’ism. Hang… I’m still waiting for the Obama systematic destruction of the US economy comments. Holding breath…. *not*!
The second choice was the inability to read. But then, court briefs do require that as a minimum, and I’ve read some of his brief contributions. He *must* be able to read.
Don’t care where he was in class standing. A grad still gets a job… regardless of class placement. Only know that if it were a case I happened to have some personal vested interest, I’d be rejoicing knowing he was my adversary. Talk about showing your poker hand in arguments….. shooting fish in a barrel.
Flyovercountry
14 years ago
RE: Aye Chihuahua
MataHarley
I very seriously doubt that B-Rob from Clevecago is an attorney. I doubt that he has any education beyond high school. The wonderful thing about the Internet, is that behind a keyboard, a person can be anything they want to be. B-Rob’s arguments are in no way suggestive of a lawyer’s. His conclusions are childish, at best. Believe it or not, there are people paid by the Royal House of Saud, the Soros Group, and others to post trash on blogs, promoting various agenda’s. B-Rob’s rants remind me of those. I find it amusing that B-Rob has a lack of geographic knowledge of the Cleveland area, considering this is one of the places he claims to be from. I am sure, that B-Rob has other nic’s which will soon chime in with tacit agreement to each inane rambling he posts here.
@Flyovercountry: BLOB will get all indignant if you accuse him of being a George Soros sock puppet. I know from experience… It’s fun, give it a try!
Flyovercountry
14 years ago
RE: Mike’s America
I think I need to draw a distinction here. He is not a sock puppet, so much as he is a paid lackey. He receives his talking points, his marching orders, and then he spams sites using a variety of nics, and straw man arguments. He is rude to all who are not on the side of his masters. B-Ror from Clevecago is nothing short of pathetic. I can think of no other way to describe spamming blogs for your supper. The funny thing is, who does he think he is going to influence in this forum? Anyone who agrees with his nonsense is either another nic he is personally using or someone he probably knows.
john
7 years ago
@MataHarley: @Flyovercountry: CAn you tell me how I too can get paid ? Any idea what the going rates are ?
Just to clarify the billy bob, Chicago lawyer living in Cleveland, confusion. The association with Chicago comes from personal info freely divulged by him mid Nov 2009 stating: “…Me . . . I’m just a simple attorney with a degree from a certain law school on the South Side of Chicago, practicing management side litigation.”
If we are left with the impression that he still resides in Chicago, it is of his own accord – whether by omission, or a genuine lack in our “need to know” status.
I care not. Where ever billy bob chooses to practice under his current firm spanning Ohio and Chicago – and I assure you I don’t care where that is – he is… and still remains … a South Side Chicago lawyer practicing in a different state. You simply move your practice, your approach and your ideology right along with you. Your roots remain founded in your education and beliefs. billy bob’s comments here do little but substantiate that you can move the man to Ohio, but you can’t move Chicago Alinsky’ite out of the man. This also holds true when you view the Chicago style, bully pulpit politics practiced on those that disagree, emanating from the WH today.
So in the future, if you wish to refer to him as a “Cleveland lawyer” instead… feel free. Technically that is correct, until he moves his practice and associations. . Emotionally? Pure Chicago.
@B-Rob said:
I believe I have just done that in my post above, billy bob…. unless, of course, you commuted to your law school classes at U of Chicago Law School from another state.
Don, your resort to name callling only shows how small a brain you have. Communist? That’s the best you can come up with?
Don, answer one question:
Why didn’t the GOP, when it had all the power, solve the problems I laid out in my post at 81, above?
You have a few choices of explanations, I guess. Either they thought there was no problem, or they thought the problem was not important enough to address. At any rate, the GOP did NOTHING to address the problem. 30 bills after the fact is not impressive. Why didn’t they get all jazzed up and energized when they had the numbers to do something about the problem? Why weren’t they holding town hall meetings and going on talk radio championing their conservative approaches to the problem?
Look, some of you here think there is no problem. Fine. Whatever. But the vast vast majority of Americans simply disagree with you. That is why 60 members of the Senate and a similar percentage of the House and a president elected with 350+ electoral votes and the most votes ever garnered in a presidential election (winning formerly red North Carolina, Virginia, etc.) — they did what the GOP refused to do — address the problem.
As I said before, I will not view him nor treat him as a professional. I may be an amature in the paralegal realm, but I am fully aware of Courtroom mannerisms and behaviors and B-Rob has expressed very little if any form of manners an Attorney would hold inside and outside a courtroom. Infact his posting habits mirror that of a childlish troll who plagues a typical Video Game Forum (God knows I’ve had to deal with that rabble, being a former Forum Moderator) which highly contradicts his claims. Unless he can prove he is able to legaly practice in Ohio or Illionis, I hold doubt on his claims. If memory serves me right, he would have to get his B.A.R. in Ohio to even remotely practice which makes going to Chicago totally pointless to reference… I could be mistaken.
Hell, Jack Thompson of Florida had his B.A.R. revoked due to the same behavioral patterns B-Rob is expressing.
Mata, from 1990 to 1993 I lived and went to law school in Chicago . . . on the South Side. Hence Mike’s America referring to me as a “South Side shyster”, etc.
From 1993 to this very day, I have lived in Cleveland. Incidentally, when I met Antonin Scalia back in law school, he spoke fondly of my town, since that is where he started his career. As did noted conservative shill Larry Elder, who is a friend of friends of mine. Small world . . . .
I never said I live in Chicago NOW; but I did live there before. Anyone who inferred that I live there now, did so on their own. That does not make me a “flip flopper”; it makes them in error. Is all . . . .
As for the Alinsky . . . whatever . . . I see when you cons are beaten down by the facts, you like to throw out names that I guess is supposed to make me cringe . . . like Alinsky or George Soros. I find it amusing, actually. Because whenever someone throws out something totally unrelated to the subject, that is when you know you have them whipped. Like my ex’s friend in an argument with her boyfriend about the absence of “breakfats meats” with a Sunday repast:
Dude: How can you have breakfast without breakfast meats?!
Elaine: At least I don’t have five kids out of wedlock!
Similarly, when I point out the logical errors of saying Dems are “dropping like flies” when they represent a fraction of the GOPers who are turning biotch and running from the election fight, your mention of Saul Alinsky creates a similar “w.t.f.?” kind of reaction.
B-Rob,
The, “Lawyer,” from Clevecago, you are calling someone else a liar. That is funny. Try arguing in the arena of ideas, and stay away from insults you Acorn dolt. Why is it, when someone suggests that the federal tax load is too high, you suggest cutting esential services? I can think of a lot of useless gov. spending to eliminate before we get down to road repair. The States and local counties pay for these things also. If you are from Ohio, I am sure you have heard of ODOT. By the way, nobody from Cleveland refers to any geography as the South Side. There is an East Side, West Side, Parma and Strongsville and all of the other South Suburbs. My point, if you were able to comprehend such things, is that gas prices fluctuate daily, and are in no way an indication of the Zero’s success as POTUS.
As for yur personal tone, since you went there, intercourse yourself.
Your, “Facts” are mostly spun opinions hailing from blogs that support your views and when following the dirt trail they end up being backed by a weak wikipedia entry of the matter and not even acredited by a true source of information such as a news paper or hard publishing… Hardly something to brag about.
Irons —
I point out the obvious:
If 4% of Dem major office holders retiring means Dems are “dropping like flies”, then what does 10% of GOPer office holders retiring mean?
From a futures perspective, so many GOPers heading for the hills means that they think things will be worse for them if they run; it means more GOPers are spooked than Dems.
You can call it a “tactical retreat” if you want. But it looks to me like they are running scared!
And your facts are data collected from the previous 6 months. This is not true reflections of the current situation. I am an Engineering and Business student, poll data is typicaly a lagging indicator due to how long the material is collected. If you are an Attorney you would know that little piece of information by de facto due to your studies in the required sociology class. As of now, Congressional Districts’ constitugents are aggresively spamming many Senators and Congressmen of the Democrat Party with blunt statements they will not be voted back into office. This is hardly the work of the Tea Party group you so wishfuly want to fail. These are real Americans who have not been propperly Represented by the people they ellected and are putting forward the message that the pinkslip to the Encumbents facing re-ellection could very well be see the pinkslip by being displaced by a new canidate.
Flyovercountry, you lied and you got caught. I used U.S. government historical charts to prove you were full of “it”, not wikipedia.
Your Cleveland geography lesson was interesting but not germane to anything I am aware of.
I asked you a simple question: if you cut the gas tax, where is the f*cking money going to come from to keep the roads in decent shape? It is the simple point Obama made when McCain and Hillary were running around stupidly calling for a cut in the tax. It showed that neither one of them were serious, though. And both were punished accordingly by the election gods.
Cons love to cut taxes; they just refuse to think about the consequences of those actions. The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were sold with b.s. “dynamic scoring” where presto chango money was going to fall out of the sky if taxes were cut, and the spending would keep increasing. Guess what? We got deficits instead.
There is no free lunch, cons. Didn’t Bush doubling the national debt in about six years time teach you guys anything?
I gotta go . . . football game is coming on. See ya! And just remember, folks: if you can;’t run with the big dogs, best stay on the porch.
Sources please.
@B-Rob, Communist, Socialist, Pinko, Red, Marxist, Lying POS
I’ll try to add to the moniker each time Rob.
The majority of americans 85% are content with their health care.
The majority of americans do not want to see Obamacare passed I don’t see that as disagreement.
Actually they bought into the lies of Obama and the misinformation of the MSM. Obama never did campaign on health care reform. Imagine that! Now that their eyes have been opened, we will experience a sea changein 2010.
You can live in your lies the rest of us see the bullshit for the crap it truly is.
So, let me get this right he slams Bush for increasing the national Debt in Six Years but gives a personal pass on Obama for praticaly trippling it in only a Year’s span?
@B-Rob:
Yep. It sure did.
It taught us that no matter how bad Bush was for spending, Obie and the gang are much, much worse.
Another uncomfortable graphic for you:
What was your point again?
@B-Rob, communist, socialist, pinko, red, marxist, lying pos, scumbag
And Obama tripling the national debt in 6 months means what? I gotta hand it to you B-Rob, even my pet rock wouldn’t be so stupid as to post that kind of bullshit as an argument for their case.
The thing is, the Republican members who are retiring aren’t doing so for the same reasons that Dodd and Dorgan are retiring for. The reason why both Dodd and Dorgan are choosing to retire is because it looks like their hopes of being reelected aren’t going to come true, just as the original post had stated. Besides, a good chunk of the Republicans retiring have little to fret about. The odds of them being replaced by another Republican are pretty good.
Ryan does bring up a good point. Most of the retiring Republicans already have a canidate they are politicaly backing and those canidates are running pretty strong in their communities and are being back by the Tea Party groups. Dodd and Dorgan are caught in a serious of dilemas that will hinder their ablity to get voted back into power, Dodd’s case being the AIG connections him and his Wife have.
“There is no free lunch, cons. Didn’t Bush doubling the national debt in about six years time teach you guys anything?”
I was pretty sure that Congress was the one that controlled spending. Anyway, the national debt of this country has been reaching new heights each fiscal year even before the Republicans took the Congress, what have the Democrats learned then? Are they learning anything now?
I’ve tried to highlight that Congress was the holder of responsiblity on such issues Ryan, but B-Rob keeps using the typical cliched action of blaming the Executive branch when that part of the Federal Government in focus of Domestic concerns.
@B-Rob, now why would I think you would “cringe” at the mention of either Alinsky or Soros? Instead, I would believe… from your comments… you revere them. BUt it’s nice to see that when you’re cornered by facts, you resort to group/class personal assault… as in “you Cons… etc etc etc”.
Let’s get something straight… I admire nothing about Alinksy. Community organization based on exploitation of people’s fears and personal bias to gain political and policy power is possibly the second lowest of the low. The first low would be, of course, the lawyers who profit from the same.
Personally, I’d love to be in a room with you and Elder plus Scalia. I’d find that highly entertaining, as would they. You see, I don’t like what you advocate for this nation. And I also know neither do they.
But I also recognize that humans are made up of difference facets. I’m not totally blind to your career and chosen legal expertise. I suspect there are some cases you have either been involved in either as a brief contributor, or perhaps a front line trial lawyer, that we may agree on what you see as “justice”. But then, as a lawyer, you aren’t supposed to have an opinion about your clientele in order to serve their contracted representation.
I have commented several times here that, when I see your comments and methods of blog “prosecution”, you are predictable and somewhat inadequate. When you, yourself, are whupped via facts, you resort to personal “you Cons” attacks. And then, again when whupped, you do exactly that which you accuse me… or others… of… i.e.
Perhaps that may be why you have willingly led the thread on a merry chase thru gas prices, gas taxes, national debt, and bashing the truly despicable GOP when they were behaving almost as badly as YOUR Congress members and YOUR POTUS today.
Did you think we would not notice? Suggestion… don’t engage in high stakes poker games with observant players…..
As far as I’m concerned, you have only one viable statement on this thread. And that is addressing percentages of retirees from both parties.
Sans a specific list, and being a firm believer that I haven’t seen more than a handful of genuine conservatives operating under the Republican ticket in a decade, my question to you would be this….
Figures are lies, and only liars figure. The reality lies in the specifics of each individual retiree. The numbers of GOPers retiring, if your sources are correct, are a higher percentage of a minority figure. That is true. But the real question is, how many of those “GOPers” retiring are RINOs with little chance of being re’elected in their district because of their voting records?
But I detect not a bone of genuine curiousity in you to delve into the truth behind the numbers. Tell you what.. you supply a list of those GOPers, and I’ll supply the links to their voting records. Then we can see *what* is retiring… a Dem wrapped in the GOP colors, or a conservative GOPer.
I’m not much of a party person myself. There’s more than a few of us here on that point. So I don’t care about “R v D” in elections. I care about fiscal responsibility (of which we’ve seen none from either party in decades…), minimal to no federal intrusion into our private lives, and not “remaking America” into a Euro-socialist country merely to have a government take over of 1/6th of our economy. And considering your corporate connection background, I have to wonder just why you sanction this yourself… unless it’s just some power play for control. After all, the “have nots” have less chance under a social justice democracy to become the power player you and your POTUS have become under that ugly America you both so wish to change.
@ Mike
You’re just embarrassed because either 1. You don’t watch Hannity, or 2. You did watch, but didn’t notice his faux pas.
Some of us out here pay attention, my friend.
@B-Rob:
Wow.
Talk about someone bein’ outta their element:
“Highest Level of Federal Receipts in History”…….
View at EasyCaptures.com
Sort of funny to hear you make this argument. ‘Tis the Dims who are constantly talking about how increasing the tax on cigarettes/tobacco will drive down usage of the product while, at the same time, tying funding for their pet projects etc directly to tobacco tax dollars that, under the laws of economics, and their very own theories, will dry up due to wait for it….higher taxes.
So, which is it?
Do higher taxes produce lower demand or not?
Finally, there’s this gem:
What numbers would those be?
Specifics please.
You were mercilessly pummeled yesterday regarding your economics claims.
I sure hope you’re good at baking a pound cake because, thus far, your economic, political, and legal analyses have been less than stellar and, dare I say it, unimpressive.
@John Cooper: I do watch Hannity. But I have better things to do than get all offended by any faux pas he might make.
So, are you going to boycott?
Be sure to catch Peggy Noonan’s op-ed in the WSJ today:
@John Cooper: Sean Hannity describes himself as a conservative first, a Republican second. I don’t know why he would use the term “Tea Bag movement” I agree with his ideas on a lot of things but I don’t like watching him because he seems too “intense or angry to me”. He is always smiling, but it is his voice. I feel like he is almost shouting all the time, and I can’t handle that kind of delivery. So for me with Hannity, it is his style that turns me off more than his ideas. He does define himself as a conservative.
However my only guess as to why he would use the term is to turn it around and to make it positive rather than negative so that the term loses its power to offend. However I don’t like the term especially when it is used by commentators such as Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow to turn it into a frat joke. By the way that frat joke was always offensive and said more about the frat boys who used it than the recipient.
This is an add on because I didn’t see John Coopers response just above, so I want to reply to it. Peggy Noonan is one of my favorite commentators. I like her reasonableness and her style. She is dead on. A republican vitory would force Obama to the Center. It may be his best chance for reelection. However, if they forget their main party themes of what they stand for, and they start acting like the Democrats in power, their victory will be for naught.
I am a conservative first, a Republican second. However I find myself becoming strongly intrigued by the Tea Party Movement. However I am not totally aboard there because I want to see more of what they will be about before I make a decision.
@MataHarley:
I know that all but two Reps are leaving to compete for higher office and Radanovich in California is leaving due to his wife’s illness, but, he’s leaving a solid red seat.
Senator Bonds, R-Mo announced his retirement quite awhile ago, he’s just getting old. I’ve seen him on the talk show circuit and he doesn’t look well so, it may be health related. There’s another 7 term Repub, can’t remember his name or state, is leaving because he’s been in public office since 72 and just wants to retire. Don’t know about the rest, but, they aren’t getting run out of office due to Obama policies, Countrywide(Dodd/Dorgan), taking funding from airport screening and handing it to unions(Dodd), ACORN, SEIU, the Freddies, economy, jobs, etc.
But, the numbers are meaningless, this is an off year election and the opposing party always pick up seats during a president’s first term, GWB is the only president in years and years where that didn’t hold true. Then when you factor in the mood of the public, which took out Dodd and Dorgan, Lincoln will be gone and Landreau is facing a recall petition, Nelson-NE is in trouble, Reid is in trouble, etc., whoever put together those percentages were doing it for spin. Someone fell for it.
A couple of weeks ago a Dem polster was on FOX saying that Dodd was hearing it from the DNC, his polling was so bad they wanted someone in there that could save the seat, immediately, Blumenthal appears. And, that’s the dem strategy for 2010. Sacrifice their players to get what they want and dangle some shiny new faces to replace them. Hopefully the voters are smarter than that, even in Massachusetts, Brown might pull it off. Voting in more dems will mean the total distruction of this country and a sad future for our grandchildren.
@John Cooper: You taking advice from RINO’s like Peggy Noonan who got caught up in Hoax and Chains Obama worship?
Mike–
Peggy Noonan a RINO? LOL! You crack me up.
Didn’t you claim to work for Ronald Reagan? If that were actually true, then you should know that Peggy Noonan was Reagan’s primary speech writer and special assistant. Maybe you were just padding your resume a bit?
TammyL–
Hannity just made a Freudian slip – no big deal. I thought it was interesting and apparently my wife and I were the only ones in the free world who noticed it. Don’t feel bad about not watching Hannity. Not to make an unqualified generalization here, but historically speaking, most women don’t like politics at all – they’re concerned with family, friends, and job. I think that’s changing, though, and rightly so. Politics and fiscal irresponsibility during the Johnson and Carter years forced an entire generation of American women to have to get a job to make ends meet, with deleterious effects on their families.
I can’t speak for all Tea Parties, but the one I’m involved with has a mission statement:
Needless to say, we also oppose candidates and officeholders who don’t believe in those things.
@John Cooper: I didn’t “claim” I worked for Reagan, I DID.
And yes, Peggy was a great speechwriter during that time.
But in case you hadn’t noticed, she wandered off the reservation big time in 2008.
Who can forget what she wrote in Nov. 2008:
“Mr. Obama’s cabinet picks and other nominations suggest moderation, also maturity.”
Perhaps because you are so new to all of this that you were not aware of that and so much more.
It’s interesting that you dump on Sean Hannity for one slip of the tongue, but how many columns did Peggy Noonan write praising Obama?
I have always liked Peggy Noonan, but not so much in the last two years. And I certainly would not call her a conservative. When she wrote speeches for Reagan, she was writing his words and thoughts, not her own.
When I call her a RINO I am merely applying YOUR standard. And yes, it is funny!
@B-Rob sez:
Ah but that we could all live and function in billy bob’s alternative universe. From yesterday’s oh so conservative bent CNN’s Money’s graph of these “stable” oil prices during Obama’s reign. Which begs the definition of “stable” from billy bob in his world.
Of course this is something the POTUS doesn’t object to… especially if gradual… in order to “…move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage.”
@Missy, stellar analysis, as usual.
@MataHarley:
Heh!
That’s sorta like those quickly falling unemployment numbers….
Oh wait…that graph reflects that number of jobs available.
Here’s one for the unemployment numbers:
MataHarley
Aye Chihuahua
Thank you guys for the vindication of some earlier points with B-Rob from Clevecago. In his current perspective as an officer of the court system in the Vanilla Sky Universe, I had somehow lied, even though I really didn’t post any actual hard facts, but merely opinion. I must ask that this moron be kept around though, if only for pure entertainment purposes.
@Aye Chihuahua, don’t you find it scary we have to “debate” with South Side lawyer educated attorneys via pictures???
It is a little amusing isn’t it?
What’s more amusing is the complete lack of response when the evidence to disprove his claims is laid out. He just moves right on like no one ever answered him.
What are the chances that Mr. ParaLegal2 was not anywhere even remotely close to the head of his class there on the South Side?
“…. moves right on like no one ever answered him…”
Well that explains it, Aye… here I thought he rarely… if ever… responded to me and my comments on *any* thread directly because of gender’ism. Hang… I’m still waiting for the Obama systematic destruction of the US economy comments. Holding breath…. *not*!
The second choice was the inability to read. But then, court briefs do require that as a minimum, and I’ve read some of his brief contributions. He *must* be able to read.
Don’t care where he was in class standing. A grad still gets a job… regardless of class placement. Only know that if it were a case I happened to have some personal vested interest, I’d be rejoicing knowing he was my adversary. Talk about showing your poker hand in arguments….. shooting fish in a barrel.
RE: Aye Chihuahua
MataHarley
I very seriously doubt that B-Rob from Clevecago is an attorney. I doubt that he has any education beyond high school. The wonderful thing about the Internet, is that behind a keyboard, a person can be anything they want to be. B-Rob’s arguments are in no way suggestive of a lawyer’s. His conclusions are childish, at best. Believe it or not, there are people paid by the Royal House of Saud, the Soros Group, and others to post trash on blogs, promoting various agenda’s. B-Rob’s rants remind me of those. I find it amusing that B-Rob has a lack of geographic knowledge of the Cleveland area, considering this is one of the places he claims to be from. I am sure, that B-Rob has other nic’s which will soon chime in with tacit agreement to each inane rambling he posts here.
@Flyovercountry: BLOB will get all indignant if you accuse him of being a George Soros sock puppet. I know from experience… It’s fun, give it a try!
RE: Mike’s America
I think I need to draw a distinction here. He is not a sock puppet, so much as he is a paid lackey. He receives his talking points, his marching orders, and then he spams sites using a variety of nics, and straw man arguments. He is rude to all who are not on the side of his masters. B-Ror from Clevecago is nothing short of pathetic. I can think of no other way to describe spamming blogs for your supper. The funny thing is, who does he think he is going to influence in this forum? Anyone who agrees with his nonsense is either another nic he is personally using or someone he probably knows.
@MataHarley: @Flyovercountry: CAn you tell me how I too can get paid ? Any idea what the going rates are ?