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I’m With Sarah! [Reader Post]

Posted by: Nancy Morgan @ 1:30 pm in Uncategorized  | 1,188 views

Millions of liberals rejoiced and thousands of Republicans heaved a sigh of relief Friday as Sarah Palin announced her decision to resign as Alaska’s governor. In her usual forthright manner, Gov. Palin made clear that she was not content to squander her time on ‘politics as usual’. Here, here.

Sarah Palin has withdrawn from the arena she describes as “superficial wasteful political blood sport.” She, like millions of Americans, is tired of ‘politics as usual’.

On Saturday, Palin issued a message on social networking site Facebook saying, “I am now looking ahead to how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint.”

Palin has made the same choice many conservatives are starting to make, opting to “effect positive change outside of government.” Politics as usual no longer represents the 62 million Americans who didn’t vote for Obama. Disenfranchised citizens now have no say on the the takeover of our country by radical forces and, like Sara, they are starting to seek solutions outside the political realm. Many are coming to the realization that election to public office may no longer be the best way to serve our country.

Any effective leader on the right, any conservative with the guts to stand on the principles long since abandoned by the GOP, can expect election to public office to be a waste of time and effort. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Where political ambitions trump sound policy. Where the ability to lie convincingly is mandatory and misleading the public is essential to re-election.

Our political system has become a no holds barred PR battle, with muckraking as its main theme and form over substance as its governing philosophy. Essential time must necessarily be spent fighting fires instead of getting things done. Time that could be better spent “keeping an eye on the ball.”

The “ball” is representing and protecting the system of government our founding fathers bequeathed to us. Many conservatives believe this is no longer possible in the political realm, where our elected officials are more concerned with amassing power and retaining their offices than with protecting and defending the rights of all Americans.

Like Sarah, I believe politics works best from the ground up. At a recent gathering of my state representatives, I implored them to stand up and yell ‘STOP’ to the unconstitutional and unprecedented devolution of power to the federal government. As one, their answer was the same as its been for decades, “Re-elect me and I will.” My answer: NO.

I, for one, withdraw my support from the business as usual GOP. From now on, I will search for solutions, like Sarah, outside of the political realm. As Palin quoted, “I am not retreating, I am advancing in another direction.” I leave the entrenched politicians to play their increasingly destructive games by themselves. They will no longer be enabled or supported by me.

America’s strength has always come from ‘we the people’, not ‘we the politicians.’ It is time for all Americans to remember that and quit relying on government and/or politicians for solutions. Just as Sarah Palin has.

Crossposted from Right Bias

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John Cooper
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I am reminded of the fight scene from the movie Dune:

Feyd-Rautha: [whispers] You see… your death… my blade will finish you.
Paul Atreides: [thinks] I will bend like a reed in the wind.

If you’re a target, don’t be there when the blade arrives.

July 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Timothy
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Palin will show her enemies the “wierding” ways.

The mere mention of her name can kill….and without the use of her voice weapon.

July 5th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
FedUp
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I’m with Sarah too! I’m so FedUp with all the political maneuvers and the denigration of our Country. It is time for a new way – we tried hope and change and now, we’ll be lucky to have any change after BO and the spineless congress get done squandering it.

To hell with the talking heads, the supercilious pundits and the Obamedia. Time to get back to the values, the ethics and the belief in our Creator that the Founding Fathers so dearly loved!

Politics has become a blood sport – it is no longer about serving the people, it is all abaout power and big government. KICK.THEM.OUT!!!

TERM LIMITS – that will take care of all the snakes in congress. Unfortunately, some of the good guys will have to go. But, since the good guys are outnumbered by the crooks and liars, it will be a small price to pay to DRAIN.THE.SWAMP! (Right, Nancy???)

July 5th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
ghost guru
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I for one am happy palin has decided to quit embarrassing herself with sub standard intelligence and not so great quick thinking! the “right” needs to wake up and disassociate from the very strange but strong urge to connect church with state. our fore fathers were not christian and did not want any thing to do with the christian church! It leaves one with a feeling of elitism and the “right” just always seem to rub me that way. Are we all not men? I think more than anything people are turned off by the “right” for there self righteous approach at judging the rest of the citizens of this great country! and when we take a look at all the politicians in this country remember they all have flaws just like each and every one of us! Palin was a desperate attempt to mach clinton cause at the time that’s who the “right ” thought they were running against. kinda like the chevy el camino and ford ranchero. If everyone just voted for the good of the country instead of following their agendas life would be so much better in this great land of ours! Why do people assume that they know what the founding fathers believed in with out doing their homework?!

July 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
John Cooper
 5Reply to this comment  

Dear ghost guru–

When I read the first part of your post stating that “our fore fathers were not christian and did not want any thing to do with the christian church!”, I thought you must be on drugs or something.

Then, when you wrote this incomprehensible sentence: “Palin was a desperate attempt to mach clinton cause at the time that’s who the “right ” thought they were running against.”, you confirmed my suspicion.

Have another hit on your bong and then go to sleep. Please.

July 5th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
ghost guru
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john cooper, what church did George Washington go to bet you’ll never answer cause it doesn’t exist. he and all the founding fathers were deists. #
List of deists – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

May 11, 2009 … This List of deists needs references that appear in reliable third-party
publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the …
en.wikipedia.org…
#
here is a lil something for you to look at.

July 5th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
ghost guru
 7Reply to this comment  

Until you look at all the evidence you will always be partially in the dark!

July 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
ghost guru
 8Reply to this comment  

evidence is the key to deism.

July 5th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
ghost guru
 9Reply to this comment  

lets not try to re “right” history John.

July 5th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
 10Reply to this comment  

As one, their answer was the same as its been for decades, “Re-elect me and I will.” My answer: NO.

So I guess you won’t be supporting Palin if she decides to run for President – as that would be doing things the typical democratic way.

July 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
ghost guru
 11Reply to this comment  

John Cooper, do you think that Mrs. Palin was a good choice for McCain?

July 5th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
ghost guru
 12Reply to this comment  

and if i’m not mistaken Palin was a surprise running mate to the “right”

July 5th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
jason
 13Reply to this comment  

Sarah’s done more for the conservative movement than any other politician…. I hope for her continued success. I delight that she continues to confound the pundits.

July 5th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
ghost guru
 14Reply to this comment  

she doesn’t even teach conservative values in her own home. What are you talking about jason? do you approve of minors having babies out of wedlock?

July 5th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
ghost guru
 15Reply to this comment  

was she conservative all blinged out in those fancy duds during the elections?

July 5th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
ghost guru
 16Reply to this comment  

and that would be Dolly Madison who has done the most for conservatives over the course of American history. where do you people come from?

July 5th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
herman
 17Reply to this comment  

Palin’s decision to resign as governor was so abrupt her father-in-law was shocked to hear about it; he received an email news alert on his cell phone:

On the night before Sarah Palin resigned as governor of Alaska, her husband Todd Palin dialed the cell number of his father, Jim. “Sarah’s making an announcement tomorrow. Can you be there?”

Jim Palin was more than 200 miles away in Kenai, preparing for a salmon fishing trip with friends. He had no clue why his son was calling, or the nature of the announcement. “I didn’t know what was coming and I didn’t ask,” he said. “I couldn’t get back because I had a commitment. If I had been home, I would have been there,” he says.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20289481,00.html

Neither rain nor snow nor gloom of night stays Palin from her speedy decision making!

July 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
ghost guru
 18Reply to this comment  

lol that was a good one herman!

July 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Webley
 19Reply to this comment  

“Like Sarah, I believe politics works best from the ground up.”

So, you’re going to become a community organizer? :-)

July 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Scrapiron
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“Millions of liberals rejoiced”. Millions of democrats are quaking in their shoes. Now Sarah doesn’t have to worry about involving the state of Alaska in anything and can name names and kick a**. All rumor mongors are on notice that as a private citizen she can come after anything and everything you own or will ever own. She knows things and can fry a lot of criminal democrats without the governor titles restrictions. Whistleblowers can and will provide her information on hundreds of criminal democrats. Watch the democrats CYA freenzy this week. Of course democrats make a career of deny and lie but it never works. Sarah refuses to ride the taxpayer train while campaigning for another job, unlike O’Dumbo who never did one thing in his life other than ride the taxpayer train. Affirmative action (along with a Harvard education) was proven a failure by the election of a total idiot.

July 5th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
waiting for karma
 21Reply to this comment  

Geez for someone who is unintelligent and inarticulate, a joke, a non-entity according to you liberal “spooks” aka ghosts why does she worry you all so much? Never before has someone that you Democrats label as white trash caused you so much angst. That reason alone is enough proof that Sarah Palin is the real deal. For every ugly mean spirited unfair and untrue smear you liberal Democrats throw at her, its one more reason to support her with every ounce of my being. So keep it up, the more you and the liberal media bash her the more we love her.

July 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
FedUp
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Ghost “john cooper, what church did George Washington go to bet you’ll never answer cause it doesn’t exist. he and all the founding fathers were deists. #
List of deists – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia”

Pardon me, but I think you don’t have a real grasp of history OR reality. Deists are those who believe in God, Creator of the earth and of Natural law. If one truly believes in God, there is NO reason that one HAS to belong to a formal church. Conversely, just because one goes to church does NOT mean he/she/it believes in God.

The Founding Fathers were much closer to God and lived their beliefs, unlike the “intellectual” and atheists that populate our government now.

I don’t know what your point is, assuming you have one, but try not to sprew your abysmal ignorance here – this is a great blog!

July 5th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Timothy
 23Reply to this comment  

Sigh…..this is what passes for anti-Palin wit. I feel safer already.

Ah, for the days of Michael Kinsley and Alan Colmes. They may be liberal, but at least they had some measure of class (and willing to eat crow).

I still remember when James Carville had the decentcy to put a bag over his head in 2000 and egg on his face in 2004. A loudmouth, yes…..a man who know his limits….certainly. Not with today’s trolls.

Yawn…next.

July 5th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Curt
 24Reply to this comment  

The troll whines:

Shannyn Moore is once again using Gov. Palin as an excuse to throw herself in front of the cameras.

She is condemning Gov. Palin’s attorney for supposedly violating her First Amendment rights (and on the Fourth of July to boot!) simply because he issued a statement refuting the defamatory rumors Ms. Moore was spreading and warning her to desist from spreading slander or else the Palins “will be exploring legal options this week to address such defamation.”

The rumors were categorically false. The FBI has stated for the record and in no uncertain terms that they are not investigating Gov. Palin or her family or her administration for anything. Ms. Moore purports to be a journalist, appears on national television and has a radio show. Journalists are not free to engage in rumor mongering and spreading demonstrably false and entirely reckless innuendo about imaginary criminal investigations.

The governor’s legal counsel merely pointed out the false nature of the rumors that Ms. Moore and others were actively spreading. Ms. Moore was claiming that she knew there was a scandal. Look at what she was tweeting:


Ms. Moore writes:

Sarah Palin is a coward and a bully. What kind of politician attacks an ordinary American on the Fourth of July for speaking her mind? What’s wrong with her? The First Amendment was designed to protect people like me from the likes of people like her. Our American Revolution got rid of kings. And queens, too. Am I jacked-up? You betcha.

Ms. Moore once again resorts to name calling, the quintessential left wing argument when one has no substance.

Free speech goes both ways. If Shannyn Moore can exercise her free speech by spread rumors, then the Palins have every right to exercise theirs by having their attorney respond to rebut Ms. Moore’s baseless rumors and issue a warning about the consequences of slander.

Shannyn Moore isn’t the only one with Constitutional rights. In fact, the governor’s attorney even quoted the Alaska Constitution in his press release warning Ms. Moore about the legal consequences of reporting demonstrably false stories.

And what are we to make of the fact that Shannyn Moore is now “playing the victim”? Every time Gov. Palin defends herself from her critics, Ms. Moore is the first to accuse her of playing the victim. Don’t believe me? Read here, here, here, and here. And that’s just a quick search.

July 5th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
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We need to put this silliness about the United States not being a Christian nation to sleep. The website below shows an overwhelming presence (76%) of Christians in the United States. Deism was a fad of the late 18th century, but most of the original colonies were generally formed and populated by Christian religious groups persecuted by the Church of England and by Protestant Reformation occurring in Europe.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions

July 5th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
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Politics as usual no longer represents the 62 million Americans who didn’t vote for Obama. Disenfranchised citizens now have no say on the the takeover of our country by radical forces and, like Sara, they are starting to seek solutions outside the political realm.

First, US citizens are not disenfranchised just because the candidate they voted for did not win. This is a sore point with me. To use the phrase so casually is an insult to our political process and to the historical victims of blatant disenfranchisement. In other words, dial down the rhetoric.

Second, we will just have to wait and see how Sarah Palin “seek[s] solutions outside the political realm” and whether, as the 2012 race starts in earnest, she decides to seek solutions inside the political realm again. Who knows? Nobody does.

July 5th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
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Yo Nancy… looks like you own the “ghost guru” troll… LOL But it should be easy. It can’t think to post more than a sentence at a time. That’s snail pace thought perception. And being a child of Wiki education makes it a lot like shooting fish in a barrel…

July 5th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
ghost guru
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fed up, whats your point. the founding fathers believed in God just not the written word of God aka “the bible” I am not an atheist. i share the same type of belief system that they did. so am I closer to God? cause most Americans use a book and are bound by it’s words, and if you ever read any of the founding fathers writings it would be clear to you that they feared this country would be bound by a religious books words also. if you’d like i can paste and copy quotes from them and show you. that’s why we have a separation of church and state in the first place. and the “right” has been over ran with religious fanatics who think science is taught in the bible and the burden of proof is faith. no facts faith. I completely agree that the founding fathers were closer to God cause they used what God gave them a mind to reason with. that’s why they chose not to believe in a written word of God. so it makes me laugh that sooo many right wingers always want to believe that they are on the same page as our founding fathers. thay are revolutionaries and thinkers not followers like all the people in the church that will automatically vote republican cause they love Jesus.

July 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
ghost guru
 29Reply to this comment  

mataharley thanks for your attempt at brilliance… SAD! and i pasted wiki for all the simpletons on this flopping aces site. but you can laugh about that all you want. cause no matter what source you find it will tell you the same thing. George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine. And all the others ( the educated men who actually put together the constitution and believed in freedom) were not bound by a book of faith. the common non educated working man was bound by a book of faith. that’s the society they came from and that’s all they knew. doesn’t it make you wonder?

July 5th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
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Yo wiki-brain… Nancy’s thread isn’t about the Founders and Framers, and their… or anyone’s, for that matter… religion. In fact, the only one bringing up religion is you, attempting to hijack the thread and misrepresent the subject.

You are slow, aren’t you?

July 5th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
ghost guru
 31Reply to this comment  

and the saddest part about this is the “right ” can recognize that church and state don’t work when it comes to other faiths running a country. You hear it all the time those Arab countries with religious leaders are crazy! but we in America can’t see it from the “right” !????? PUZZLING!

July 5th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Timothy
 32Reply to this comment  

Need I quote Hillary?

QUOTE

“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic.”

UNQUOTE

Hey Obama, right back at ya.

But I guess that makes me a radical and subject to listing on the terrorism list (smirk/sarc)

July 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
ghost guru
 33Reply to this comment  

UM… read fed ups first post. i didn’t bring it up. but thanks again for the attention
mataharley ;p.

July 5th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
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I think the point Sarah made is that her decision leaves all options on the table; she is freed up to move in any effective manner she chooses. Presently, she is free to work on re-instilling conservative values for those hungry to see anyone with public support stand for them. Depending on how successful she is in garnering a base based on those principles, she is free to pursue office as their representative should she choose. So, you’re right. We don’t know. But I do know that her decision is bloody smart and she played it so close to the vest that only her husband knew what was going on…not even risking family disclosure. It goes against every old political strategy and that’s the reason the pols are so taken aback. Even the usually clever, Mr. Rove is perplexed. Once this unfolds, it might actually bring about positive change and inspiration.

Anyone who says that her statement was stupid or displayed ignorance clearly wasn’t listening. Of course, I’m just a woman so what do I know?

July 5th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
ghost guru
 35Reply to this comment  

and mataharley interesting you used the word hijack. and even more interesting you don’t realize that the republican party has been hijacked that’s why they lost the election. cause a few guys with money found there masses sitting in churches across America being manipulated with words like conservative, ethical and values. with yet again no burden of proof, cause all politicians are slicker than grease and never never have to answer to anyone. was “hijacked” for the better part of this decade by the republican party. And when the masses got wise they decided to go in a different direction. end of story. and now the “right” is desperately seeking a new image. cause the old P and VP were crooks who had the churches and all the members inside of them believing that that”s the way they had to vote. cause of faith. I think it’s time for a new game plan.

July 5th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
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“President George Washington was an Episcopalian. He was a member of the Episcopal Church, the American province of the Anglican Communion, which is a branch of Christianity, and which is usually classified as Protestant.”

“Washington and the family he was raised in were originally Anglicans. The Episcopal Church was not officially founded as a separate province within Anglicanism until 1789, after the American colonies proclaimed independence from Great Britain. Prior to the American Revolutionary War, the Episcopal Church was part of the Church of England, so Washington was originally a member of the Church of England.”

“While he was President, Washington attended Christ Church (an Anglican/Episcopalian congregation) in Philadelphia.”

July 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
ghost guru
 37Reply to this comment  

what values do you think she can use when she doesn’t display them in her own home?

July 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
ghost guru
 38Reply to this comment  

annmonterey, I thank you for finding out the facts i stand corrected on the church thing. You are the first person i give any respect to. I am sorry to you if I was abrasive or offending to you in any way! but he did not believe in a written word i must maintain still, cause I have to many other sources that tell me otherwise. not wiki.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
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Well, GG, you got your “new game plan”. How’s that workin’ for you? Your generation is going to be in hock for decades…and the blame can go directly to the crazy politicians in this administration on both sides. They took every mistake the last administration made and magnified it 10 fold.

By the way, we’d have it a bit easier to follow you if you learned to spell and use punctuation. But maybe not, because unlike Sarah Palin, you don’t seem to be able to come forth with anything new or fresh. Guess that could be a tip off as to the generation you belong to.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
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Wiki-brain, fed up’s post did not mention Christianity. He said “…back to the values, the ethics and the belief in our Creator…” You decided to attach Christianity, and was off and running.

So you’re slow *and* suffer from a reading disability…. so sorry to hear that.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
ghost guru
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yes I did cause what does that translate to in our modern times? if I say God you don’t think of modern faith? when you personally think of the creator what runs threw your mind. not the same ideas of a Creator that they had and that”s my point. we as a later generation of this country are very different in the way we perceive what the founding fathers actually believed. deism isn’t widely practiced so how in the world can you think that we think like someone of a different faith.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
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@ghost guru: You know, that’s an old chestnut as outdated as any I can think of. David Letterman, an “of age” adult, “knocks up” his girlfriend, doesn’t marry her for years, yet feels qualified to mock and condemn a teenager. The Democrats attempt to tar and feather the Palin girls (in one way or another) yet Obama is the product of just such judgment. Trig is the subject for mocking as damaged goods, yet FDR was so physically “damaged” he had to hide his disability. It seems that the Democrat party (my old party, btw) has chosen to attack women, children and the disabled as not even deserving to live. Perhaps that’s why I am, after a lifetime as a Democrat, now an Independent. I didn’t vote for GWB either time, and I certainly didn’t vote for the primary stealing Chicago thugs who have taken over the party.

No one has ever said that the Palin family claimed sainthood. The point is Bristol Palin fell down on living up to the principles she was raised with. But, she didn’t abort her baby, so she stopped short of violating that family code. In my book, it’s not a sin to fall down, only a sin to lie there. The guilt she feels in letting her family down, though they have stood by her all the way (there’s those pesky family morals again) is demonstrated in her attempts to redeem herself by speaking out to other teens, advising them to think before taking on what she has.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
ghost guru
 43Reply to this comment  

deist don’t believe in Adam and Eve, talking snakes, or miracles.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Curt
 44Reply to this comment  

GG, this is not a post about religion. I’ve allowed you to rail on and on about it long enough. Either get back onto the subject of this post or your comments will no longer be allowed on this post and the rest of this blog if your persist.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
ghost guru
 45Reply to this comment  

and in my book you lead by example not lip service. I never look to people like david letterman cause he’s not trying to run a nation. but the leaders of any country should be held to the highest standard imaginable especially in the greatest country in the world! we are the leaders of the world and should be lead by putting our best and brightest in office. for the good of the country. And I am sorry mrs. Palin just doesn’t qualify in my book as the best or the brightest.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
ghost guru
 46Reply to this comment  

Curt I am sorry and will not talk about church anymore.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
 47Reply to this comment  

And yet, you helped elect the lesser Democrat in terms of command of the issues and ability to speak extemporaneously.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Tom in CA
 48Reply to this comment  

It is pretty difficult to understand why folks on the left feel the need to disparage Sarah Palin. From a pure competitive standpoint, you would like to think that if your opposition plans to start a subpar player, you let them. I guess this is the future of politics, unfortunately. Anyway, I digress.
After the Convention speech she made, partly without a telepromter, I knew she was the real thing. I would support her with contributions wholeheartedly if she decided to run. Go Sarah.

GG, I can see you have really worked your butt off here today, relax, sit back, have a beer or something. I am sure you have swayed some feelings. Good work.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
ghost guru
 49Reply to this comment  

no takers on post 45?

July 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
ghost guru
 50Reply to this comment  

annmonterey. cause McCain is to old and no way in H do i trust a governor that has the easiest state to run, that nobody ever heard of.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
ghost guru
 51Reply to this comment  

and Tom , it’s not about the parties it’s about the Country I love.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
jainphx
 52Reply to this comment  

You wont talk about Church? Man that’s all you do is talk, but you make no sense. Palin scares all you atheist and liberals (communists) so much that you’re going all out to destroy her, well you aren’t going to deter me now, or ever again, for too long Conservatives have been fooled by your ilk, I say NO MORE! All conservatives , tune these destroyers out, thats all they are. We have to STAND up for what’s right now or were finished.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
ghost guru
 53Reply to this comment  

As long as i live I will always want first, what is best for the nation. Parties mean very little to me. I look at politics the same way I do seasons. When it’s cold outside you don’t wear your swim suit. and when it’s 90 degrees outside you don’t go looking for a winter coat. life has its ups and downs so does politics.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
C from Alaska
 54Reply to this comment  

Hey Nancy. Great post. It has been a great 4th of July — Alaska will be in good hands with the lieutenant governor and Governor Palin will be free from the constraints placed on her. If taken the time to read and browse the internet, this decision was really well reasoned. Though I didn’t follow all 15 ethics complaints (they were so ridiculous there was no reason to), the debt to her family, her inability to leave the state without another ethics complaint and decision of Alaska based dems and libs to ruin her, has cut the governor’s tenure.

America will be better off having the governor as a private citizen. She has met many of her goals for Alaska and Sean Parnell will work out just fine. I am tired of politicians and “business as usual” too.

This weekend was truly Independence day. Independence for Sarah Palin.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
ghost guru
 55Reply to this comment  

jainphx, are you proud of the last administration? cuz alot of your right wing tv host shied away real quick from george w’s work.

July 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
ghost guru
 56Reply to this comment  

have you guys ever heard the saying ” you can’t polish a terd” Palin is dan quayle’s equal. enough said!

July 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
mtnsplendor
 57Reply to this comment  

Ghost Guru
I can’t take it any more! Having recently read Ben Franklins autobiography as published in the Harvard Classics copyright 1937 pg 90.

“…having mentioned a great and extensive project which I had conceived, it seems proper that some account should be here given of that project and its object. …Observations on my reading history, in Library, May 19th, 1731. That the great affairs of the world, the wars, revolutions, etc., are carried on and affected by parties.

That the view of these parties is their present general interest, or what they take to be such.

That the different views of these different parties occasion all confusion.

That while a party is carrying on a general design, each man has his particular private interest in view.

That as soon as a party has gained its general point, each member become intent upon his particular interest; which, thwarting others, breaks that party into divisions, and occasions more confusion.

That few in public affairs act from a meer view of the good of their country, whatever they may pretend; and, tho’ their actings bring real good to their country, yet men primarily considered that their own and their country’s interest was untied, and did not act from a principle of benevolence.

That fewer still, in public affairs, act with a view to the good of mankind.

There seems to me at present to be great occasion for raising a United Party for Virtue, by forming the virtuous and good men of all nations into a regular body, to be governed by suitable good and wise rules, which good and wise men may probably be more unanimous in their obedience to, than common people are to common laws.

I at present think that whoever attempts this aright, and is well qualified, can not fail of pleasing God, and of meeting with success.”

Ben Franklin goes on to lament his inability to devote enough time to get his “great and extensive” project started, he goes on quote out of his notes about it…

“the substance of an intended creed, containing, as I thought, the essentials of every known religion, and being free of every thing that might shock the professors of any religion. It is expressed in these words:
That there is one God, who made all things.
That he governs the world by his Providence.
That he ought to be worshiped by adoration, prayer and thanksgiving.
But that the most acceptable service of God is doing good to man.
That the soul is immortal.
And that God will certainly reward virtue and punish vice, either here or hereafter.”

Does this sound like a man not bound by a book of faith? Where do you think his idea came from? Within himself? NO – Ben Franklin was a man very familiar with the bible – experimenting in many religions, but ultimately believing in the one true God and reading His words. I don’t assume to know this, Franklin himself relates it in his autobiography. Maybe its time someone again considered starting this “great and extensive project” as Ben Franklin outlined it – if ever there was a time it was needed, that time is NOW!

July 5th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
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@Ghost guru

she doesn’t even teach conservative values in her own home. What are you talking about jason? do you approve of minors having babies out of wedlock

I’m no Palin fan but I think your comment is unfair. Parents may have and teach their children certain values BUT doesn’t mean their children will automatically obey. Teenagers – right or wrong – have their own opinions and should be – to a degree – responsible for their own actions. If your kids grew up and started to believe in Adam & Eve, talking snakes etc – then does that mean you have failed?

July 5th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Old Trooper
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ghost, john boy and herman, blast, RAP and that TJ punk, out for courtesy and respect for FA posters that have sensitivities and a sense of civility, I will reserve my comments, not out of respect for you that deserve none from me. ghost, if you really want a “taker” go elsewhere.

Anonymous internet snipers get away with anything if not banned. FA has permitted you to post your crap here. Pretty damned generous on the part of the moderators here. Don’t abuse that.

The tripe that you post here defines you lack of character and will not be dignified by a response from me. Like my Father taught me many years ago, arguing with Fools is never a fruitful endeavor.

As long as FA permits you to post your crap here, you are just pissing in the wind. I will not waste my time replying to your delusional mental masturbation. You got your 5 seconds from me. Use it wisely.

July 5th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
yonason
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What does she think she will accomplish by abandoning the arena where policy is set, and retiring to a distance where one can only prevail if one has friends actually in the arena? I really hope she knows what she is doing.

Regardless, she is a good person, and I wish her well in whatever good she pusures. It’s hard to imagine someone like her not making a positive contribution, whatever she does.

July 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
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Oh … THIS is gettin’ good …

And she can shoot too.

And field-dress a donkey—er, caribou …

NOW can we start the re-revolution?

July 5th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
waiting for karma
 62Reply to this comment  

Dude can’t even spell “turd”

July 5th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
ghost guru
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I don’t disagree with anything Benjamin Franklin said in his autobiography page 90. I to feel the same way. Yet he makes no mention of a particular book that he subscribes to. And he was very well versed in different religious philosophies. “the substance of an intended creed, containing, as I thought, the essentials of every known religion, and being free of every thing that might shock the professors of any religion. why doe s he make a point to say he is free from every thing that might shock the professor of any religion. cause he is not bound by a book.
he is free with his mind.

July 5th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
ghost guru
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ya got me karma!

July 5th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
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Well I just glossed over the idoocy from the Leftist trolls that came by her.

This will only allow Palin to go on the offnsive of the ridiculous idotst that Soros is payign to defame Palin’s name. Why in the world would thousands of lawyers go to Alaska other that to dug up anything on her, and all they can come up with is “ethics violations” that all have been proven to be ridiculous.

Go Sarah Go. I love to see the Left squirm in their own bile of hate.

July 5th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
ghost guru
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Just wanted to thank Sarah Palin for quitting. i would have never known about flopping aces with out her doing what she did!

July 5th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Old Trooper
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C from Alaska, you have a pretty keen new Governor. My last visit to Alaska was in 86″ and at Ft Wainright in January. It was great training and the experience of landing by parachute into a 12 foot snowbank was a first for me. It took seconds from exiting the aircraft to take my first breath of -20 degree Alaskan air but you live in a very breathtaking place that is uniquely beautiful and I enjoyed it immensely. I live in Montana and and am retired now but greatly respect the character of those that deal with the weather extremes, are of uniquely rugged character and have had the experience of Sarah Palin as Governor.

The lower 48 residents need to go visit Alaska at least once in their lives. Most lower 48 folks are fat, lazy and too complacent to live in Alaska. Your former Governor has my full support for any office she chooses to pursue. She cleaned up some corruption there, was despicably attacked by folks that were corrupt, intimidated by a Woman in a position of Authority and I won’t apologize for those acts because I did not participate in them but would quite happily meet them face to face to settle their issues on a personal basis.

It is 20 hour daylight for you now. I hope your Independence Day was grand. In Montana we fired our fireworks off into a cloudless night sky. I pit roasted half a steer and had a house full of neighbors over but my thoughts were with those serving away from their hearth and homes and although my Daughter is to the Air Force Academy, I know that Freedom and Liberty is all celebrated in of Our 50 Great States. Not the 57 that our Pretender in Chief delusionally claimed.

My visit to Alaska has fond memories and although separated by distance, We are All Americans.

Take Care. I have a new foal to look after. Time better spent.

July 5th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
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@yonason: Sarah is already scheduled for an appearance in Simi Valley, Reagan country, in a week or so…not sure of the date. She’s going to hit the ground running and build a pure conservative base to attack the economic mess we’re in now. As before, I doubt that she intends to impose her personal social values on anyone. But we need her and lots of others like her to dig in and get on with saving the country. It should be obvious to anyone that we are being sold down the river. To hell with what the social engineers on either side want to distract us with. The USA is sinking under the weight of the Left. Having been a 60’s liberal (before it became a bastardized word) myself, I can attest that what they are up to is textbook 60’s radical leftist agenda. And here I thought we’d outgrown all that…well, at least I have.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Hard Right
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Part of the PDS we see displayed by leftists is not fear, but the need to replace Bush as a focal point of their derranged hate now that he is out of office.

Ghost, I see that what you lack in intelligence you make up for in the quantity of verbal diarrhea you spew from that sphincter you call a mouth.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
ghost guru
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ya, I forgot where did it start? oh under Bush… that’s right.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Romeo13
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Interesting that on every site I’ve been to this weekend, there are Anti Palin posters spending HUGE amounts of time blasting Palin.

Most of these folks spend HOURS within those threads… and are NOT people who are there regularly…

“ghost guru
65 Just wanted to thank Sarah Palin for quitting. i would have never known about flopping aces with out her doing what she did!

July 5th, 2009 at 7:44 pm”

Interesting… so just who gave you your assignment to this site?

July 5th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
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Romeo13 -

I’m guessing a huge shipment of crack came into the DNC and they are distributing via ACORN.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
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@AnnMonterey

Palin would be wise if she did what you say and concentrate on conservative economic issues. Thatcher has her own personal social values – but throughout her 11 years as PM she ‘mainly’ focused on economic issues. My concern is that the religious right always seem to be unable to this – and unwanted moralising and lecturing comes to the fore.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
ghost guru
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and hard right I see you avoiding your parties part in all this. call it what you want i call it factual. It was apparent to me back in 2000, sorry I was ahead of the curve on that one. and even now the right has no leader just like it was in 2000. If your party could find a real leader, I would be glad to vote for him/her.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
ghost guru
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romeo13, Hi how are you doing? i honestly just happened to be very bored today. I went for a bike ride at the beach, waited at the pier for the (way of the master goon squad to show and they did not today.) all my friends were ;ying low trying to recover from yesterdays festivities, so I went on msn and started to look at the news. typed Sarah Palins name on google search and low and behold flopping aces showed up. I liked the art on the web page ( cuz I’m a fan of westerns) and the top blog was this one. So here I am. Gods honest truth. I am a 36 year old man in socal recovering from back surgery. so all I have is time to deal with. that’s why I have been so happy to participate in this blog. I am not an atheist, and forgive my poor punctuation. I did not know i was getting a grade for this.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
tinkerthinker
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Thank goodness for Sarah Palin!

I think we can all see what the so called best educated Harvard bunch has done to our country.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
ghost guru
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I wish i was that interested in school again to be doing this for some grade! I really do!

July 5th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
ghost guru
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I am pretty sure the people that run this site love the fact that I have gotten so many people to participate on this blog though!

July 5th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
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Darn it….

We were out of town spending the 4th with our friends north of Charlotte, NC and just got back in an hour or so ago.

I do, really and truly, hope that ghost guru will stick around for awhile.

It’s gonna be great fun watching it beclown itself over and over and over here on FA.

I could help but laugh out loud when the “guru” told us that the Founders didn’t believe in the Bible.

Hey “guru” can you tell me who said this?


“The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed.”

“I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world.” December 25, 1813

(No fair looking it up but I’ll give you a hint….they are quotes from two of the founders.)

The word guru is defined as follows:

1. Hinduism & Tibetan Buddhism. A personal spiritual teacher.
2.
1. A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.
2. A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.
3.
1. A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.
2. An acknowledged and influential advocate, as of a movement or idea: “In a culture that worships slimness, he was the Guru of Lean” (Erica Abeel).

I’d like to know precisely in what subject do you consider yourself to be an leader, mentor, counselor, or adviser.

We know it can’t be history.

We know it can’t be politics.

You’ve already exposed your shortcomings on both of those subjects.

So, what can it possibly be?

I’m looking forward to the answer.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Mary Beth
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I agree with a lot of the sentiment within this post to a degree.

I think given the untenable constraints on Sarah thanks to the leftists who abused the system to wreak havoc on Palin both professionally and personally, she really didn’t have a choice but to sacrifice her title.

But now, she’s free to do what she needs to do.

I’ve seen lots of speculation regarding what Palin might be planning. Here are my thoughts:

I think Palin will work with conservatives and do her part to win the house and perhaps the senate next year. There are a lot of people requesting her help…and given what she was able to do fro Chambliss…it’s no wonder.

I think she could in essence become kingmaker.

Afterwards, I believe she will be in a prime position to run for the Oval office. I think she sees the breakneck speed at which the left is destroying our country, I think she feels a call to duty…but of course she knows that it’s not enough to win the big chair…which is why she’d help get the right people elected, regardless of party.

I think it’s clear in reading her speech and her 4th of July letter that she is not shying away or quitting. She is actually taking on this challenge. She has accepted the mantel.

Also…please note that she will be speaking at the Reagan Library in early August. I’m sure those convinced she’s quitting to lick her wounds or whatever have a great reason for that.

I mean what kind of significance could there POSSIBLY be with her speaking at the REAGAN LIBRARY?
;)

July 5th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Mary Beth
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tinkerthinker:

Thank goodness for Sarah Palin!

I think we can all see what the so called best educated Harvard bunch has done to our country.

B…but they’re just so CRAZYSMART! And Palin’s from *cringe* ALASKA!

July 5th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
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@Aye Chihuahua: Just another troll to have fun with.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
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@Old Trooper: An old friend of mine, the late Jean Potter Chelnov wrote a wonderful history of the early bush pilots entitled “The Flying North”. She was there during WWII and met many of them in the flesh. They established the mail service for AK. Talk about courage and daring! Before she passed away at 83 in 1997, she was invited back by the University of Alaska for a new printing of the book. It’s a great read and I’ll bet you’d enjoy it.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
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@Mary Beth: Haha, I think you’re on to something there! Must we always have to translate for the boys? Well, some of the boys anyway.

July 5th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
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You thinking folks are on much the same right track as anyone I have heard who has NOT thrown Gov. Palin under the bus.

But let me feed you a little food for thought from my blog piece about her decision:

[...]

Lastly, if I hear one more time how Palin has not finished her term I think I’ll puke. There are MANY reasons why she would chose to leave now … not the least of which is to set-up her LtGov. to be able to run for the Governor’s seat all on his own in the next election with enough time under his belt to be considered an “incumbent”. I am sure, with ALL Palin’s domestic energy experience she sees huge trouble for this country should cap and tax clear the Senate. And her staying in office and continually being the punching bag for the idiots in every media venue and the democrat party it would make electing into the governor’s seat nearly impossible for a republican … especially her Lt. Gov. In the many reasons for leaving I have a feeling this was one of the strongest … to see Alaska and it’s energy resources in the hands of a possible democrat governor who would be a puppet for the Marxist White House and Congress would have been horrific.

And let’s not forget two things in all this post-resignation bashing of the Governor:

1. Obama did not finish his Jr. Senate term (contrary to what he was on record promising he would do), and while in the Senate his only accomplishment was to vote “present’, oppose the war and our troops, and run for POTUS. Never a real and firm decision made during his tenure … just a lot of ‘clean and articulate’ posturing of pre-written words.

2. Gov. Palin has accomplished a lot in Alaska that will effect our country.

Sarah Palin has taken a huge and obviously critical step away from “politics as usual” … What will come of it is yet unknown. But I do know that the country is generally divided in their opinion of her. The country, however, is going through an awakening that those in the “politics as usual” elected class are pushing the people of this country off a plank into a drowning pool of government control and crippling taxes. This woman is dead set against both … Will she be our own Joan of Arc remains to be seen … But if she makes the right moves from her heart and soul she stands to be one of the leaders this nation is literally dying for … She’s already gotten the unlimted hate from the left, and the disdain from the RINOS in her own party.

Perhaps Sarah Palin has left her office to re-join us working monkeys to become the head of the Tea Party?

http://tinyurl.com/oqmkyy

July 5th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
tjproudamerican
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It would be a wonderful thing if conservatives followed Sarah’s example and quit so-called “Politics” and just gave speeches and raised money for Tea Parties.

Let the Democrats have all elected offices. It will give conservatives that much more to complain about.

America loves Quitters and Whiners and Complainers, especially those who say they will not fight or compete because powerful ACORN and Soros rigged all the rules.

The only thing that can save America is Obama’s COLB and Quitting and Complaining and Whining.

Good work everyone!!!!!

July 5th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
ghost guru
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aye chihuahua, Thomas Jefferson is the first quote , cause it’s brought the most control and money to the establishment. Why else would he feel the need to rewrite the new testament himself! cause it didn’t hold up in his own opinion. the second quote i am not sure about. but I have a question for you who wrote the age of reasoning and common sense? and what did he believe?as far as being a Guru, I guess I’ll stick my neck out and tell you what i think i know. I am an electronic guru, have had general motors engineers asking me for help, I am a technical music adviser to several bands in California, I have been a counselor at the first 3 harvest crusades, and and i am a Fishing guide of sorts to whoever wants to learn. and I debate the street preachers at Huntington Beach pier from time to time. try not to get to involved with that cause whenever I do. I can’t leave for at least an hour because of all the people that mob me afterward. I love to learn and am grateful you stumped me on the second quote. we all have something to learn from time to time. I am i no way saying that I am a fan of the left either.FYI. Are you trying to say you agree with everything that the right believes in? Cause I find that hard to believe! we all want decent moral views in this country for the most part. but all have very different ideas on what that actually is. I am just as tired of the left as well. I feel sad that so many Americans only care about what’s important to them as individuals. And that is my biggest gripe. but I also have to admit this has been fun blogging with everyone because you just wouldn’t have a conversation with strangers like this if you were in a room with them. It’s a wonderful format blogging. think I just got the bug!

July 5th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
ghost guru
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sorry curt!

July 5th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
ghost guru
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Some other problematical quotes:

(1). National Prayer

President Thomas Jefferson, March 4, 1805, offered A National Prayer for Peace:

“Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those to whom in Thy Name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth. In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen”

The problem with the above is that it isn’t true. March 4, 1805 was the date of Jefferson’s Second Inaugural Address and there is no such prayer included in it. This “prayer” shows up on a number of religious web sites on line, and is either attributed to Thomas Jefferson, with no other information or as above “Thomas Jefferson, March 4, 1805″. Nowhere is there a complete valid cite given. You can find his Second Inaugural Address at Thomas Jefferson, Second Inaugural Address, Monday, March 4, 1805

July 5th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
ghost guru
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“[1]The God who gave us life gave us liberty. . . [2]Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction. . . That these liberties are the gift of God? [3] The bible is the cornerstone for American liberty.” -Thomas Jefferson

This final phrase is totally imaginary! It does not appear in A Summary View of the Rights of British America, nor in Notes on The State of Virginia. A web search for the quotation shows it only as a part of this invalid quotation. It does not appear anywhere on the University of Virginia site on Jefferson’s works. Moreover, the phrase is completely inconsistent with Jefferson’s views about the Bible.

July 5th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
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@ghost guru: “I also have to admit this has been fun blogging with everyone because you just wouldn’t have a conversation with strangers like this if you were in a room with them. It’s a wonderful format blogging. think I just got the bug!.”

You do sound like a newbie. If that is really so, you should learn some blogging etiquette…such as don’t monopolize the conversation, and do try to dial back that ego. Don’t constantly go off topic. One o/t is enough. If you want to talk about religion, wait for an open thread…

July 5th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
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What the hell does this have to do with Sarah Palin?

Who cares about these quotes that you claim are imaginary.

This thread is about Sarah Palin.

July 5th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
ghost guru
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thanks for the advice annmonterey. i will gladly take any advice you would like to offer.

July 5th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Hard Right
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Hmmm, not a single post on obama destroying the economy, supporting marxists, or ignoring the Constitution by ghost gimp.
What’s wrong gimpy, do strong women remind you of what a girly man you are?
Or if you’re a female (the dem version of a male), does Sara remind you of what a phony and traitor to your gender you are?

July 5th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Hard Right
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Hey ann, it’s here to disrupt and mock. Hence the mountain of posts and the massive compensation by being egotistical. Pearls before swine…

July 5th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
yonason
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@AnnMonterey:

Thanks. If she’s resigned to devote all her time and energies to fighting back, that’s GREAT!

And, yes, I survived the 60’s, as well. We know what the “modern” Leftist is all about, because there’s nothing “modern” about him/her/it except that it is physically alive now, while it’s ideology is of the dead past.

Regards.

July 5th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
C from Alaska
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Hey Old Trooper. Thanks for the neat post about Alaska! The state is still beautiful and is a neat place to live and raise a family. Sounds like you have a pretty great place there in Montana as well.

Alaska does have a great governor and will be in good hands when the lieutenant governor takes over. She has done a terrific job cleaning things up. Too bad the wacko libs couldn’t leave her alone to complete her job. Alaska has benefitted from Governor Palin. And, I wish her all the best!

July 6th, 2009 at 12:30 am
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@yonason: I agree with all that…

Nite all.

July 6th, 2009 at 1:00 am
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“…and thousands of Republicans heaved a sigh of relief Friday as Sarah Palin announced her decision to resign as Alaska’s governor.”

This is one of the most ridiculous statement I have ever read. Palin’s quitting her elected position for some nebulous bs somehow has people sighing in relief? I guess true Palin supporters want to spin this as “good” that she is resigning. Normalizing her departure as what typically happens, a “relief”. SHE QUIT. I see it as another self inflicted wound and a big boost to Mitt Romney or some other dark horse candidate. Time will tell of course, and in the mean time I am laughing my tail off about the whole matter.

July 6th, 2009 at 1:12 am
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@Maggie

Lastly, if I hear one more time how Palin has not finished her term I think I’ll puke. There are MANY reasons why she would chose to leave now … not the least of which is to set-up her LtGov. to be able to run for the Governor’s seat all on his own in the next election with enough time under his belt to be considered an “incumbent”.

And how cynical and politically devious is that – the old trick of getting a new UNELECTED hand into the seat of power without bothering the electorate. In the UK Tony Blair won a third term and promised to serve a full term only to resign half way through to the incompetent Brown. I think if someone quits their seat then there should be a new election. Palin represents politics as usual.

July 6th, 2009 at 3:19 am
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Gaffa: And how cynical and politically devious is that – the old trick of getting a new UNELECTED hand into the seat of power without bothering the electorate.

State law, Gaffa. Nothing illegal for you to moan about.

Now why don’t you ponder something a little more akin to your fantasy crime… like installing 20+ czars with no oversight, and without bothering the electorate *or* Congress…

July 6th, 2009 at 4:12 am
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@MataHarley

Didn’t say it was illegal now did I? If I had a dollar every moan on here about things that weren’t illegal – including yourself – I would be rolling in cash. So forget the tangent on legality – I talking what’s ethical. As for Czar – yes agree. Again 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Back to you…so you think’s it’s right politicians can hand over their roles without the electorate having a say in the matter?

July 6th, 2009 at 4:41 am
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@ghost guru:

Nope, not Jefferson on either of them.

There are lots of words attributed to the Founders which they never said. There are lots of quotes which actually belong to the Founders which are stripped out of any sort of context in order to give them a meaning that was not intended as well.

I am not quite sure what you point is in pointing out inaccurate quotes as being “problematic”. Those types of examples should be more accurately labeled “irrelevant”.

In order to honor Curt’s request, this will be my last post on the religion matter on this thread.

I will say in parting however, that you’re off on the wrong track when it comes to your understanding of the Founders and what their belief system was based on.

There were, without argument, one or two exceptions within the group of Founders. Blanket statements, like the ones you made in your earlier comments, are far too broad and all inclusive to be considered factually accurate.

July 6th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Aqua
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@ghost guru

we are the leaders of the world and should be lead by putting our best and brightest in office. for the good of the country.

Really? Should they be Harvard and Yale educated? Dubya was. And just for the record, Dubya wasn’t my favorite president. Which astounds me about the left for the most part. The man spent money like a liberal. So what about him upset the left so much? Wait, it was his accent wasn’t it.
McCain? All everyone on the right ever heard about from the left was how easily republicans would win an election with McCain as the front man. The republican darling of the media.
Obama? Is that your man? Certainly educated. Best and brighest? You may make fun of the way Dubya spoke, or misspoke, but he didn’t use a teleprompter to order dinner.
Biden? Yeah, I’m not even going to go there.
The founders, who you keep referring to, thought it would be a good idea if we had a government of the people. We no longer have that.

July 6th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Wordsmith
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@Aye Chihuahua:

There are lots of quotes which actually belong to the Founders which are stripped out of any sort of context in order to give them a meaning that was not intended as well.

“Wall of separation between church and state” being, perhaps, the most obscene example.

The primary goal of the Founders was to protect the free exercise of religion. A secular federal government without an established church, yes. But they certainly were not hostile to expressions of religious belief in government. That only came about in the last 60-70 years, thanks to ACLU lawyers and militant secularists.

@ghost guru #4:

I think more than anything people are turned off by the “right” for there self righteous approach at judging the rest of the citizens of this great country!

Yes because the “left” never sanctimoniously judges and preaches to the rest of the citizens of this great country, does it?

Why do people assume that they know what the founding fathers believed in with out doing their homework?!

Yes, why is that ghost guru? Why do you assume so much?

@Aye Chihuahua #103:

In order to honor Curt’s request, this will be my last post on the religion matter on this thread.

Why not carry the OT discussion of Founding Fathers and religion and government over into the current open thread?

July 6th, 2009 at 7:30 am
gloworm
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GaffaUK

“so you think’s it’s right politicians can hand over their roles without the electorate having a say in the matter?”

Wasn’t the Lt. Gov. elected by the people too? And elected to do exactly what will happen on 7/25.

July 6th, 2009 at 7:37 am
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[[And how cynical and politically devious is that - the old trick of getting a new UNELECTED hand into the seat of power without bothering the electorate]]

I’m certain, were this a democrat gov. admin., you would be admiring singing the praises of the brilliance of the move … but seeing as how ya … well, never mind.

Cap and tax is looming and Alaska is one of our biggest natural resources states … and refuses to be sucked into the black hole this current government in the smelly swamp of DC is creating. A democrat gov. after the next election in Alaska would bend over and beg the fed govern. to take it … take it all.

BTW, did you bitch and moan about “bothering the electorate” or the ‘ethics’ when NY’s Spitzer stepped down and handed the state over to Lt. Gov. David Paterson??

Or how about Blago’s getting to pick the guy to replace Obama in the Senate? Or Paterson getting to pick someone to replace Hillary in the Senate?

Why is it when a republican in office follows the designated abilities of the office as outlined in full in constitutions whether state or US Constitutions, you always hear the democrats whining, ‘well, it might be legal, but it isn’t ethical’ …

Boo-friggin’-hoo …

BTW, how “ethical” is it for Rep. Jose Serrano (D) to be pushing a Bill to drop term limits for POTUS so that Obama can become King? Not hearing too much yack-yack about that in the MSM … were it a repub. Congressman doing this for a repub POTUS ya’ll would be screaming yourselves bloody.

But using YOUR nose-out-of-joint reasoning regarding the gov. of Alaska (whom you hate simply because she draws breath … and breeds) making a wise political move in order to save the gov.’s seat for her party (and for the good of the state that depends on two major industries, fishing and energy resources, that the left wants to abolish) by stepping down and handing it to her Lt.Gov… (which is part of his purpose … just as Biden is ~gulp~ a “heartbeat away” from the Oval Office leather-backed swivel chair) … NY’s governor was wrong … and the whole post-Blago seating of the LtGov as Gov. and Blago’s Senator replacement pick was wrong also … So, you have a problem with ‘chain of command’ and duties of elected office … in addition to wise political decisions. Hmmm, Barry interesting … comrade?

July 6th, 2009 at 8:17 am
ghost guru
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When i said best and brightest it is very sad that some of you guys automatically assume it means Harvard or Yale. As if those are the only schools that the best and brightest got to. Did you ever take the time to consider that George W Bush was at the bottom of his class! W is a failure, he’s got the anti midas touch! what ever he gets involved with he ruins. Why? cause he is not the best or the brightest! And I would love to see what all of You would be saying if a dem had done what Palin has with her job. Plus , this whole taking it to the streets idea… sounds recycled doesn’t it? um…. oh yeah the hippies borrowed that concept from who… radicals that had enough and decided to form their own new country… Who were those guys… that fought against the “conservative establishment” thats right the founding fathers… and what types of concepts did they have to make them go against their country at the time… liberal ideas huh…. or have I distorted American History… feel free to blast me if you feel threatened by the truth!

July 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
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OBVIOUSLY you neglected to read my prior comment regarding democrat vs republican … But that is pretty much a useless point since libs/dems have this little on/off switch when it comes to actual memory, total recall, and facts on such things. I believe it’s called “selective memory”.

As to your views on Pres. George W. Bush … I don’t believe you are accurate on his class standing in school, but you may also have either selectively ignored or not been aware of the fact one-time rival for the POTUS seat John Kerry was worse … AND Al Gore looked as if he just couldn’t make up his mind where he could at least pull a “C” average … And don’t get me started on John Edwards who channels dead babies in court rooms.

I always love how the left tries, and falls over itself, to make conservatives/republicans look dumb, stupid and even ‘retarded’ … when the opposite is true. For all the 9-11 Trutherisms and the whole “Bush took us to war for his own evil reasons” I just have a hard time keeping up with “Is Bush stupid or a diabolical genius the likes of which the civilized world had never seen before … even outdoing Hitler!”

And your take on Founding Fathers history and purpose is quite lacking … I believe if we were to somehow bring them forward to today and they saw what we have become and the government totally controlling us and no longer doing what WE tell them to do (not to mention shredding the US Constitution) they would be slapping down our Tea Party signs and shoving guns in our hands, kicking us in the asses and shouting us into battle while cussing at us for letting it ALL slip away.

Your concept of what this nation and the government therein are supposed to be is not quite adequate.

Palin did NOTHING wrong, IS the point. She didn’t. And neither did Pres. Bush … time and again over the last 8 yrs via the courts has proven as much … but I don’t fault you for not knowing that because the MSM, which feeds you, doesn’t allow you to sit at that table of contents. Deal with your hate for Palin and anything/everything republican/conservative … We aren’t here to be your political psychologists.

I will never understand why libs/leftists don’t just MOVE to an already established country of “heroic” communist dictatorship such as China or Cuba …

I thought you stated last night we might be wrong in viewing you as “liberal”, and I’m just too busy right now to scroll back up to find out, but you might be in a self-inflicted state of denial about that.

BTW, the reason there is so much trouble with the Muslim/Arab world over these last decades is because of Jimmy Carter … and Obama threatens to be “super-size Carter” as time goes on.

July 6th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Hard Right
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I see blast is also shifting his BDS to PDS.

July 6th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Aqua
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@ ghost guru

Did you ever take the time to consider that George W Bush was at the bottom of his class!

And you have a source for this statement? Wait, we’re just supposed to believe you, right? Or even better, we should have listened to Dan Rather and the rest of the media?

Maybe he did graduate at the bottom, but he graduated. And he received an MBA from Harvard. They don’t just give those away with a box of cereal.

When i said best and brightest it is very sad that some of you guys automatically assume it means Harvard or Yale.

You started it with the best and brightest diatribe. I’m just trying to figure out how one becomes qualified as the “best and brightest.” So far, it seems to me the only way one could qualify for that glorious title is to have it bestowed upon them by you. Who is “the best and brightest” and how did you arrive at this decision?

July 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
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@Aqua: So @ghost guru: ’s best and brightest are John Kerrry who had a worse GPA than W in College, and AlGore who failed out of Seminary, and Obama who has no track record to speak of because he wrote nothing at all and published nothing academically to not leave a trace of his Socialist tendencies. Great. Really the “Best and Brightest” there.

July 6th, 2009 at 11:37 am
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Gaffa: So forget the tangent on legality – I talking what’s ethical.

….snip…

Back to you…so you think’s it’s right politicians can hand over their roles without the electorate having a say in the matter?

First of all, Gaffa, as someone above has already pointed out to you, the Lt. Gov is an elected official. In some states on the same ticket, and in others on a ballot by themselves. In almost all instances, the Lt. Gov is the next in line in the event a sitting governor is incapacitated, dies, resigns or otherwise is no longer fufilling the job. So that Sarah “handed over” the reins without both the electorate and the State legislators having a say is a moot point, and factually incorrect. You’re like a dog without a tail, chasing his butt here.

Secondly, do I agree with the “next in line” set up? Of course.

Do I agree with the Congressional seats that, when vacated for any reason, operate exactly the way you object? i.e. Obama and DNC selling his seat, or Hillary selecting her replacement?

Yes, I do. Because that is the way our law was set up, and I have to respect that (and change what shouldn’t be thru legal means). “Legality” is not a “tangent”, for in politics it is often the measure of what is deemed “ethical”.

July 6th, 2009 at 11:41 am
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Maggie #109 ’tis a beautimous thing to read.

July 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am
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@Hard Right: Palin is just the next in line for the vitriolic hate from the Left. They can not function with out a boogieman to spout hate onto.

July 6th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Aqua
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@ stix1972

Right now I’m thinking the only way you can be considered the best and brightest is for ghost guru to proclaim it so. Maybe Al Franken qualifies. He graduated “come loudly” from Harvard.

July 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am
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MataHarley -

Much “thanks”.

FA has been on our site’s Blog Roll for awhile now.

We’re in this together.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
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Ah HA… so Infidel Paradise *is* your site? Didn’t see your name as one of the authors, so I wasn’t sure. Thanks for the confirmation. You’ve got slick way with phrases… very enjoyable.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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MataHarley -

drillanwr

July 6th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
ghost guru
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you guys are funny now. even gwb characterizes himself as an average student under his own admittance, you guys will just try and counter anything the ghost has to say. I love it! as I stated yesterday the ‘right ‘ has no leader, and as much as you guys want to ignore that, it’s right in your faces! so much so that your willing to put all your stock in big bad Sarah! ooh… I’m scared. lmao! if you guys were smart you would apologize to Collin Powell, get him back onboard and the country would love the right! you guys just don’t get that Palin would be lampooned and scrutinized harder than any other public figure in U.S. History. Even more so then both Bushes and Reagon combined. not that I have too much bad actually to say about Pres Reagan or Pres H. Bush. see I’m not all bad! and we were even in a bad recession under H. Bush. both parties are corrupt. Now as to who I think are the best and brightest… first schooling is a factor for sure but i believe that the self taught man is the better man, And I know I’m going back but Abraham Lincoln comes to mind and so does Benjamin Franklin! as far as today I already mentioned Colin Powell, to bad he had to walk away from W. and Wolfenwitz is the reason for him walking away! I don’t hate Palin the person, I just think she is not the right person to run a whole nation. leaders lead and I don’t find that to be one of her dominant traits, stricly my opinion… I know.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
ghost guru
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and Maggie no I didn’t read your post at the time. Cause I hadn’t got to it until after I was done typeing. mybad.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
ghost guru
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i dont even watch tv unless it’s the Lakers! so the msm is a non factor with me.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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@ghost guru: If you look up the GPA of Kerry and Bush you will see that Kerry had a worse GPA than Bush. And AlGore flunked out of the Seminary, but enough about facts.

You are laughable at your “Best and Brightest” explanation. Is it schooling, knowledge of policy, knowledge of the world???

You still have not explained what “The Best and Brightest” means in my estimation. Just a bunch of gobblidy goop. Colin Powell as the “Best and Brightest” that is a joke. He does not even know what side of the fence he sits.

Palin will get Lampooned because the Left is afraid of her and what she represents, nothing more nothing less. She is still the best voice for the modern Conservative Movement.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
ghost guru
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hey, Maggie was jimmy carter involved with the crusades? the middle east has always been in turmoil cause of religious leaders! but I guess that was the lefts fault also.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
ghost guru
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and what side of the fence is a determining factor in best and brightest? get real that has nothing to do with my statement. stix 1972 do you love your country or party cause it’s a little confusing at this point.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
ghost guru
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I’ve known people with perfect grades who cheat and get all filled with false pride and see them at work sitting on their asses collecting paychecks for work they aren’t doing ,and it drives me nuts. and they think they are so great cause they beat the system, I’m talking about real genuine people. Not cheats with a boat load of money and last years papers to cheat off of.like I said before schooling is one factor but not the whole enchilada.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
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No the Crusades were Bush’s fault, as was the Titanic sinking and the great San Fran quake that killed my Grandmother’s sister.

But you just keep on watching basketball … getting ahead there.

Oh yeah, as to academia’s worth these days … we’re talking about college institutions being run now by the radicals from the drug-experimenting 1960s … and a public school system that tells kids it’s okay to believe 2+2=5 … not to mention red pens are too traumatic for those poor little minds to handle.

Couple things here … Obama, in addition to other documents, has had his college transcripts and records and poss. anything he wrote ‘locked-up’. His wife, Angela Davis Jr., on the other hand, has her stuff out there for you to read, comrade …

And check your actual fact history on Carter … he orchestrated the crap Iran is in.

But that might entail you’re actually reading something besides People Mag.

Hey, were you one of the lucky ones to get a ticket to the Michael Jackson memorial at the Staples Center?

July 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
ghost guru
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Palin will get lampooned cause she’s a public figure who is an easy mark. people eat it up cause it’s true that’s what makes it funny. the media over exaggerates the person of subject and we all relate cause it’s true to a degree.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
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Oh, PS:

Re: Gen. Powell … seems he’s having buyer’s remorse over Obama now. I’d kick you a link but I’m NOT the f-ing federal government. Get your own shovel out and dig that research project all on your own.

And he is NOT the only one … It’s growing in numbers everyday.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
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@ghost guru: I could careless about the party, but when someone endorses Obama and his destruction of the Free Markets, he is a loss to me.

July 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
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@ghost guru: So why si there no one going after the Lightbringer????

July 6th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
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[[Palin will get lampooned cause she's a public figure who is an easy mark. people eat it up cause it's true that's what makes it funny. the media over exaggerates the person of subject and we all relate cause it's true to a degree.]]

Exactly what is true? A-Rod screwing her daughter(s)? Baby Trig as sub-human because of the roll of the genetic dice?

Or any of the other made up crap the media, which you claim you don’t watch, has constructed?

As soon as Mccain named her his VP running mate armies of lawyers and muck-rakers dropped into Alaska like a D-Day invasion … and found nothing … Wait, a used tanning bed she’d purchased with her own money …

Harping on RNC provided clothing for her and her family? Option B? Let them wear their folksy duds so they could be made even more fun of? BTW, WHO exactly has purchased Michelle Obama’s clothing, make-over, Botox, body-sculpting?

You’re grasping at thin air here …

July 6th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
ghost guru
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well maggie that is a shame that the media is doing that I really didn’t know. But let me first start by saying I hope i don’t sound like that type of person to you. Cause that is flat out wrong. And I don’t support crap like that I’m trying to be real on this blog. i don’t think Sarah or any family members are aliens. But I do think it’s only rational that a noname running mate has people looking into who she is. It is a shame that the media turned it into a three ring circus. my own doubts about sarah are not about what crazy stories a reporter can imagine up.

July 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
ghost guru
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not to get to far off subject but do you not think that there have been good and bad presidents in both parties over the years? just wondering. and did Palin wear folksy duds while she was Governor of Alaska she never had to attend formal affairs before she was in the race for the White house? I find that hard to believe.

July 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
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@ghost guru: Yes there have been good and bad in both parties and now defunct parties also. But the Modern Day Democrat Party is so far left and going farther and farther every year. I am sure JFK would not relate to any of the Modern day Democrats.

Every President has their good and bad points. There is no president that has no faults.

July 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Aqua
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@ ghost guru

my own doubts about sarah are not about what crazy stories a reporter can imagine up.

And you got your information…how? Personal interview? You didn’t just wake up one day and decide you thought Sarah Palin was incompetent based on the alignment of the stars, did you?

July 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
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Here is a very good explanation of Palin’s popularity and how many of us think about the”Best and Brightest”

Who the Hell Do They Think They Are?

July 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
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@Aqua:”You didn’t just wake up one day and decide you thought Sarah Palin was incompetent based on the alignment of the stars, did you?”

Based on his postings, I do believe that is JUST HOW ghost guru did it ;-)

ghost guru:
“But I do think it’s only rational that a noname running mate has people looking into who she is”

The media should be digging into ALL that are running. Not just a “no name” – I also disagree with the “no name” label as those in Alaska know exactly who she is. Just because you or I did not know who she was … based on that, I can simply ask, do you know EVERY member of congress by name? Or all those in any presidential cabinet? I am sure there are plenty of people that *I* don’t know in that list. (435 plus 6 non-voting members in the house and 100 on congress)

“Joe the plumber” would be a no name for example in the political arena.

ghost guru:”i dont even watch tv unless it’s the Lakers! so the msm is a non factor with me.”
So, you don’t watch TV. WOOP! I don’t watch the news on TV. So, we are even.

And you don’t read the internet news? Nothing by the AP? At all? And you don’t see a bias?

Speaking of buyers remorse:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll
*I was going to embed the image but I didn’t see a way to do that. And what I tried did not work.
[Curt adds - I did it for you. I'll try and add a embed button]

stix1972:Every President has their good and bad points. There is no president that has no faults.

Name one of Obama’s good points if you can. I dare ya! :-)

July 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
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@Maggie

I’m certain, were this a democrat gov. admin., you would be admiring singing the praises of the brilliance of the move … but seeing as how ya … well, never mind

Check my post #100. Now you see there I gave an example where I criticise Tony Blair & Gordon Brown cosy arrangement in the UK. You may not know this – but they Labour politicians. They are on the left. So my criticism of handing power over is aimed at any politican – left, right, US or UK.

@MataHarley
Yes a deputy to take over and yes that what he or she does. But they weren’t directly elected for the role of Governor. My point is – I believe that should open up an election. Just because that’s the status quo now does that mean it should remain. A deputy should be there to take the reins in an emergency. Palin resigning – for no good reason – isn’t an emergency and that reflects badly on the process and her. Again I refer to UK – Brown is in power and nothing he has done to become PM is technically illegal even though NO ONE has voted him. Does that make it right? And plenty of people are complaining about this.

July 6th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Aqua
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@ GaffaUK

My point is – I believe that should open up an election.

Maybe it should. It would set a pretty dangerous precedent. Everytime an ambassador was selected or cabinet member posted, we’d have elections. Not to mention the governors and mayors that have to step down over sex scandals. And elections cost States a considerable chunk of change. And we’re broke. :-)

July 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
yonason
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@stix1972:

Ross Perot? Sarah Palin is thankfully no Ross Perot. That man was a lunatic.

Palin’s a Conservative. I don’t know why she quit, but it wasn’t from fear. Will she succeed? Time will tell. Maybe she thinks she can devote more time to grass roots organizing, and to breathing new life into the Republican Party? It certainly needs it.

If it was the right thing to do, then it will succeed and her judgement will be vindicated. It’s too early to tell which way it will go, and to say it will fail is at this point only wishful thinking on the part of the many who hate her (probably due to their fear of her fearlessness). Say what you will about her, she’s intelligent, motivated and tough as nails. I don’t see this as an act of cowardice, but one of heroism.

It may be folly, but then that is the nature of heroism. If I understand what she is doing, then it may be exactly the right strategy. In any case, I wish her success!

July 6th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
stix1972
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@yonason:

What Palin has done is dry up the gravy train for the Alaskan Left that are getting their marching orders from the DNC and Soros. Do not be surprised if all the instigators in Alaska to get thrown under the bus now that Palin is not the Gov of Alaska.

She is now able to get her message out to the lower 48 w/o the “ethics” investigation for every move she makes. And she can now go after the Alaskan Left for their slander and lies that they have been whispering to the MSM.

Will she be able to run and win in 2012?? I really do not think she can, but she can help out in 2010 and 2012 candidates w/o the Left in Alaska bringing “ethics investigations” for her going to bathroom in the wrong state, or breast feeding her kid in her own home. I am sure that if she was still Gov after July, they would do some kind of ridiculous “ethics investigation” for her crossing the road against the walk signal.

July 6th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
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GaffaUK:”Palin resigning – for no good reason – isn’t an emergency and that reflects badly on the process and her. ”

I don’t agree with you that it was “for no good reason.” At a time when EVERYONE (our local and state governments included) are looking for ways to cut costs, her solution would do just thatt.
When you have an endless parade of merit less ‘ethics investigations’ which are paid for with tax money… I think that is a pretty good reason AT THIS TIME.

AND with her successor taking over, maybe just maybe they can use the now freed up time to actually take care of governing the state and not frivolous ethics charges.

Just because YOU call it no good reason doesn’t mean that it is.

Now, perhaps there needs to be some refining of the ethics complaint system.
I hate to mention that but if you make it too easy, it can be abused as it is here. Making it too hard will only serve to not punish those who really deserve to be.

@Curt: Thanks for embedding that :)

July 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
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Just as third world countries do, the left relies on common enemies as their main unifying principle. With Bush and Palin out of the game, it will be interesting to see who they pick next.
Hey, if they don’t have someone to be against, they’d actually have to commit to being ‘for’ something and risk being wrong.

July 7th, 2009 at 2:54 am
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@Hawk

Right – so the expense would have cost around 0.0002% of Alaska’s State revenue. And besides most of these complaints have been dismissed – so the money has already been spent. And the people who filed this fairly trivial complaints have won – now that Palin decided to run away. And when her unelected replacement takes over – those who don’t like him know what to do to unseat him. If he gets a dozen or so complaints do you think he should also resign? Courage is when you stand up to bullies.

July 7th, 2009 at 3:10 am
Prairie
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I just want to applaud you all – excellent read and more importantly you handled responses with facts to the poster named Ghost. Reality is a real head kicker and I’m sure by now Ghost is experiencing a migrane. Good job!!!

July 7th, 2009 at 4:51 am
stix1972
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@GaffaUK: It is not only the expense. It was taking over 80% of her office’s time to comply with these idiotic inquests. And it was not only the “ethics investigations”, it was also FOIA requests for all kinds of stupid stuff.

Her replacement was not unelected. He was elected along with Palin.

The money for all the people filing these complaints has just vanished. There will be no more “ethics investigations” because it is not in Soros and the DNC’s best interest anymore to throw money around in Alaska.

July 7th, 2009 at 9:13 am
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@stix1972

Was the other 20% devoted to help progress that lucrative book deal with HarperCollins? At least by quitting she can concentrate on getting that done and earning millions.

July 7th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Timothy
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Lets wargame this out shall we.

Sarah stays…

….she gets hit with more bogus ethics complaints

….she gets hit with more bogus FALSE–SLADEROUS—RUMORS

….MSM ignores her except when there’s an ethics complaint or rumor

….logistics become a nightmare trying to go back and fort to the lower 48

….by the time she is ready for the bigtime, she is sacked with at least a million in legal debts, has a list of bogus compalints being crowed by the MSM, and nothing to show in the legislature because the state senators have basically shut her out.

The same people harping that Palin should be bounced are the SAME people now saying she’s a quitter

The same people saying that being a governor of Alaska isn’t a resume builder for VPOTUS are now saying that resigning is political suicide.

Go fig.

July 7th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Timothy
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A quote for Sarah Palin….

From Sun Tzu The Art of War:

“The general who advances WITHOUT COVETING FAME and retreats WITHOUT FEARING DISGRACE, whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom.”

July 7th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
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Timothy -

Perfection …

As a matter of fact, I may just have to look up the Alaska Gov.’s address and send her my copy of the book.

til then I’ll try to Twitter that quote to her.

July 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
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@Timothy

Sarah stays…

….she gets hit with more bogus ethics complaints

Didn’t Palin support ethic reforms? Unfortunately with any such system individuals should be allowed to make their complaints. To run away – just lets them win.

….she gets hit with more bogus FALSE–SLADEROUS—RUMORS

You don’t have to be an elected offical to hit with rumours – plenty of public figures get hit by these. Par for the course. You think the rumours will stop now that she is no longer governor?

….MSM ignores her except when there’s an ethics complaint or rumor

Damn that free press always focusing on the negatives. When will they focus on happy news like airplanes taking off and landing safely?

….logistics become a nightmare trying to go back and fort to the lower 48

If she Governor of Alaska she doesn’t need to travel to the lower 48 that much would she? And if she wants to go for 2012 nominee then should would have to deal with these logistics anyway.

….by the time she is ready for the bigtime, she is sacked with at least a million in legal debts, has a list of bogus compalints being crowed by the MSM, and nothing to show in the legislature because the state senators have basically shut her out.

Who’s going to sack her? So are you suggesting she jumped before she was pushed? As for the senators – well isn’t the Alaskan Republican Party rife with splits? And didn’t she tread on a few toes herself in Alaskan politics on her own side? And don’t Presidents and other governors have to deal with unfavourable odds where the opposition are the majority – from time to time? What do they do – quit if they don’t have complete control?

The same people harping that Palin should be bounced are the SAME people now saying she’s a quitter

I don’t think she should of been bounced – but I would like to see the pitbull put up some sort of courage and fight.

The same people saying that being a governor of Alaska isn’t a resume builder for VPOTUS are now saying that resigning is political suicide.

Governor of Alaska – however small it’s population is – can still be a resume builder for VPOTUS. However like Dan Quayle – Palin was found wanting. So with your wargame – do you see resigning as making her more or less likely to be the GOP 2012 nominee.

July 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
MataHarley
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Gaffa comments:

Didn’t Palin support ethic reforms? Unfortunately with any such system individuals should be allowed to make their complaints. To run away – just lets them win.

To “run away”, as you call it, may reflect on Sarah personally because of idiotic opinions and analyses like this. Time will prove that wrong. However to stay does a disservice to the Alaskans *and* to Palin …. long term. She would be blamed for poor performance because her admin was too busy playing defense.

You don’t have to be an elected offical to hit with rumours – plenty of public figures get hit by these. Par for the course. You think the rumours will stop now that she is no longer governor?

Didn’t read my Alinsky Perfected series, eh? NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE has been assaulted like this. If you know better, do lay on the name, the data, the complaints, the cost, etal. I’ve done that for you… now don’t BS me. I will not accept this blanket piece of crap statement from *anyone* without documentation, after the work I’ve done on this.

If she Governor of Alaska she doesn’t need to travel to the lower 48 that much would she? And if she wants to go for 2012 nominee then should would have to deal with these logistics anyway.

.. and the mayor of LA doesn’t need to interface with the mayor of Burbank. The Governor of CA doesn’t need to work with the Gov of Oregon. sigh…

Can you truly be this uneducated to interstate commerce and relationships, Gaffa? And now you may have a clue as to why Tina Fey made the joke about “seeing Russia” from the window. Palin has no US neighbors she can drive across the border to. All are a minimal 3-4 hour flight (to the Pacific NW) to a full day’s flight. Which is why she deals with those damn foreigners who *are* across her border. It’s called “foreign policy” experience… something the Gov of IL (or a Senator) doesn’t have as part of their day.

Who’s going to sack her? ….

He actually meant “saddled” with financial burdens, along with the State costs of future non-stop complaints. Not “sacked” as in firing from a job.

I don’t think she should of been bounced – but I would like to see the pitbull put up some sort of courage and fight.

Oh yes… resigning is the *easy* way out… as you can see. Got lots of dumbasses saying she didn’t have courage. Point is, as a Governor, you *can’t* fight because of regulations. You have to hand it over to the State process, and let the Alaskans suck it up in costs. That’s really good for the State….

Governor of Alaska – however small it’s population is – can still be a resume builder for VPOTUS. However like Dan Quayle – Palin was found wanting.

It wasn’t Palin who was found wanting. The election was not between Palin and Obama, but between McCain and Obama. Without Palin, it just may have been a landslide for Obama and a record low turnout for a POTUS election, since most of us would have stayed home. Even the 3rd party candidates were sheeeeeeet.

July 7th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Aye Chihuahua
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Those who write Sarah Palin off as “done” in 2009 would be wise to remember the well-known politician who was written off as “done” in 1962.

July 8th, 2009 at 6:56 am
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@MataHarley

How don’t see how those who put up these ethic complaints haven’t won. They wanted her out and she bailed. And these reflects on any aspirations of her ever wanting to be President. I mean just imagine if she became President and she was hit by allegations etc where she would have to defend and would cost the taxpayer money. Using her’s and seemingly your logic – would it best for her to quit again? Most of the complaints have been dismissed so who, of any consequence, was complaining of her ‘poor performance because her admin was too busy playing defense?’

As for assaulted – I don’t have the records for how many ethic complaints each Governor, Senator or Congress person gets each year – and besides I was referring to rumours which are nigh impossible to accurately add up. I could if I had enough time (which I don’t) go through this forum and pick out all the smears, lies, rumours and half-truths being said about Obama. Public figures outside of politics like Jacko had to deal with rumours – it comes with the territory. In fact Palin herself – in her attack pitbull mode added to such smears – remember ‘palling around with terrorists?’. So the lady doth protest too much.

And how many jollies does a Governor of Alaska need to the lower 48? I’m she has others responsible for trade who can do that. I don’t see the big issue here – either it’s part of her role to go to the lower 48 if and when needed so get on with it – or she can minimise these trips. And as for her foreign experience – she believed – and why she was so righfully mocked – was based on Russia’s geographical proximity to Alaska. Let me know which Russian and Alaskan delegations she was part of – as far as I can see there little or no contact between Russia and Alaska where Palin played a meaningful part.

As for fighting well – she set up her own investigation into troopergate. So I’m hearing she can’t fight yet 80% of her staff’s time is spent on rebutting these allegations. Isn’t that fighting? And as I mentioned before the money involved is actually tiny when compared to Alaska’s revenue – that’s a blatant smoke screen.

As for landslide – are you saying the right wouldn’t of held their nose and voted for McCain if he didn’t have Palin? Sure if Obama is so bad it’s better to go with the lesser evil?

July 8th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
stix1972
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@GaffaUK:
You reallt have no clue what Conservatives think do you. Without Palin McCain would have gotten killed in a landslide. Just like the last few elections where Republicans have lost big time. Many Conservatives have stayed home because why vote for a Democrat in Republican clothing. They still do the same thing, spend all our future generations money, just on different things.

Both Parties are in destroying our freedoms and the Founding Fathers Document called the Constitution. It is like it does not even exist, with all the Federal Government’s intrusoin on things that should be state issues, it is hard really to tell them apart.

We need to get rid of all of them and get people in government that understand that we are a Republic and State’s have rights over much of what the Federal Government has been forcing down theri throats.

As to Palin quitting because of idoacy from the DNC and Soros. She has a much better chance to stop this from happeining in the future us she can convict many of the slanderous statements from the MSM and those that wanted to bring her down. We have Free Speech, but that does not mean you can just say anyting you damn well want while destroying someone’s career. I know that the Press in Jolly England are much worse on most politicians, but here we have standards on what can and can not be said about people. And most of what was told in the MSM was totally false and effected her job as Governor. And I hope she does sue and win to stop this. And hopefully this will also stop the idiots that still think Obama is not a American also. That is just as bad.

The loons are on both sides of the aisle.

July 8th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
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@Stix

Well I believe Conservatives aren’t the borg where they all think the same. Naturally some conservatives voted for McCain as otherwise he wouldn’t of won the Republican nomination. After Bush low approvals it was going to be difficult for any Republican to win and McCain’s campaign was lacklustre even with Palin. When faced even with a poor choice – it’s still better to vote. We will never know what benefit or hindrance having Palin on the ticket was and we can’t see what alternative history would of been like. Yes she energised the right wing but did she lose votes with swing voters?

Yes in the UK – Palin wouldn’t probably lasted as long as she had – because the tabloid/gutter press would of her ripped her to shreds – but then again the press traditionally in the UK is actually more biased to the right (Sun/Daily Mail/Telegraph etc out sell Mirror & Guardian). Still they live on rumour and mockery. And I’m glad you agree that smears – like Obama’s nationality – is just as bad as some of the trivial rubbish thrown at Palin.

July 8th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
ditto
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I’m with Nancy and Fed-up. I gave up on business as usual politicians decades ago. Both parties and the MSM have turned our government into a cesspool of vitriol spewing maggots feeding on the body politic. They are vicious selfish self-serving vultures who care nothing for the hosts that sustain them.

The reason we are hearing so much slamming of Sarah is because the MSM, Washington Insiders, and the elitist snobs of both parties fear her. as they always fear her ilk. They fear populists, because they fear that the the people will follow them instead of the mindless and pointless voting for what they hope will be the lessor of evils.

Sarah is a regular American. A believer in “The People” the Constitution, and our Nation in the tradition of a true Statesman. She hates the corruption and power games that the elites play at our expense. That is why they have tried to break her spirit, and drain her finances. That is why they belittle and turn their noses up at her, and the rest of us in “fly-over country.”

Watching the protests in Iran has given me understanding of the irony; That the rulers and controlled media there, are so very much like that in our own country. The people attending Tea Parties here are like the protesters there. Wanting their voices to be heard but being stifled. What will it take for our leaders to listen? Our media and the leaders they have anointed so far pretend that they don’t hear or see these people. Eventually, there will come a time when they go house to house to arrest dissenters, and marshal the troops to end the protests.

Run Sarah RUN!!! And let us line up to run behind her.

July 9th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Missy
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@ditto:

Excellent! Thank you.

July 9th, 2009 at 3:48 am
stix1972
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@ditto: Bravo Bravo

July 9th, 2009 at 6:25 am
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@ditto

lol – comparing the US and Iran is like comparing day and night. Has the cops started to beat, imprison or kill any teabaggers yet?

‘Run Sarah Run’ sounds like a line from Forrest Gump. Where is she running to? Or is she just running away? And corruption? Try troopergate for corruption.

July 9th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Missy
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@GaffaUK:

Try troopergate for corruption

Indeed, troopergate was more of the same. Palin was also cleared on that only after it cost the state dearly.

http://www.floppingaces.net/category/politics/sarah-palin-politics/troopergate/

July 9th, 2009 at 7:53 am
ditto
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@GaffaUK

Why is this any of your business? As you so often disdainfully make clear, you are not an American. You seem to think that we care about your vitriolic insinuation into our political affairs or about your opinions. I assure you that we do not. I ignore your endless parroting of all these attacks in which Palin has been found innocent of any ethical violation. These are simply the same tired, old. dismissed smear campaigns, and you are just another maggot who feeds off them.

Ask yourself this: Why do you fear Sara Palin? Is it because she is a strong woman? Is it because she makes you feel less than a man? Do you hate all women? Is it because she is of common birth? Is it because she draws everyday people together who, like her, are fed up with the corruption and of being ignored? Is it because of a hatred for conservatives? Is it because she is the best choice for Republicans to recover and find their way home? Is it because she reminds you too well of those first colonists who threw off the fetters of your now crumbling Empire? Why do you so fear and hate this woman?

Those were all just rhetorical questions for you to mull over. Don’t bother replying, as I don’t really give a rat’s patootie about anything you have to say. As far as I’m concerned you can just bugger off.

July 9th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Aye Chihuahua
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@ditto:

Dennis Miller put it really well — “One of the things I love about Sarah Palin is that she really bugs a lot of people for whom I have no respect.”

July 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
ThunderGod
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@GaffaUK

“Teabaggers”?

That pejorative, right there, tells us more about you than a 5,000 word diatribe could.

July 9th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
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@Ditto

Why is this any of your business?

Is anything which you comment on here always your business? Try not to be a hypocrite.

As you so often disdainfully make clear, you are not an American.

I certainly haven’t been disdainful – in fact it seems that some of you are now grabbing at straws by playing the man and not the ball by blandly pointing out that I’m not American. Sorry is this a forum where only American Conservatives can talk to each other – where foreigners and those with differing opinions (and even some where we may agree) can’t debate? Or are you too scared to debate?

You seem to think that we care about your vitriolic insinuation into our political affairs or about your opinions

You don’t care but you reply. Odd. And what am I am insinuating?

These are simply the same tired, old. dismissed smear campaigns, and you are just another maggot who feeds off them.

If it’s attack on Obama it’s fair game – yet any criticism of your beloved Sarah is a smear – who’s no stranger when it comes to giving out smears. And how dull you can’t debate without stoopid insults.

Ask yourself this: Why do you fear Sara Palin?

Hardly

Is it because she is a strong woman?

Playing the gender card are we. Nope

Is it because she makes you feel less than a man?

lol nope – I don’t have the urge to kill a moose or somehow prove my manhood.

Do you hate all women?

Brilliant – that’s as dumb as asking whether you hate all blacks because you don’t like Obama.

it because she is of common birth?

Why would that bother me? I’m from common birth.

Is it because she draws everyday people together who, like her, are fed up with the corruption and of being ignored?

No – that’s good. However it’s only fair we look into her dealings.But I guess you prefer to take her at face value and believe everything she says.

Is it because of a hatred for conservatives?

I don’t hate conservatives. At least not the types who want to be fiscally responsive unlike Dubya and the Republicans who were in charge. And I don’t like those rascist, homophobic bible-bashing conservatives either. But take them away and there some good honest Tories who want a better place for all based on a work ethic rather than constant handouts/bailouts etc. The best PMs the UK has had has been Churchill & Thatcher.

Is it because she is the best choice for Republicans to recover and find their way home?

She’s got the publicity since being made McCain running mate – but she’ll use that to make money. The Republicans are split – she’s not the one to bring them together. She’ll be your Joan of Arc for the right-wing of the Republicans.

Is it because she reminds you too well of those first colonists who threw off the fetters of your now crumbling Empire?

Crumbling? lol – I think the British Empire was wound up some time ago. Palin is no Washington or Jefferson. I would love to know exactly how you expect Palin will lead you to the promised land.

Why do you so fear and hate this woman?

I don’t either fear or hate her. She’s an interesting political figure. I could ask you why you fear and hate Hillary but that would be making an assumption like you have just done.

Those were all just rhetorical questions for you to mull over. Don’t bother replying, as I don’t really give a rat’s patootie about anything you have to say. As far as I’m concerned you can just bugger off.

You don’t care but you took the time to write a reply but now you want to run away from the debate like your heroine. How maverick. That’s what kids do when they lose arguments – stick their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la. If you want to debate – let’s debate and respect the fact that we have different views (and as I say there may be some areas we agree on) – rather than petty insults which says far more about you than me.

July 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
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@ThunderGod

I’m pulling your leg…but I have to be careful as I see that sometimes humour only works one way with some on here – where it’s okay to call Obama – O’Dumbo etc but making fun of the Tea Protest is tantamount to treason. Lighten up;)

July 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

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