Obama: Lying about Ayers, Lying about ACORN, Lied about Rev. Wright

obama is a foreign policy retard. he is a power hungery jerk. a friend of mine didn’t know half this stuff, i was showing her your sight, and she asked why we don’t see it on the news. i had to explain about how the msm works and how they are very bias against conservatives and how they actually cover for obama, made her sick. she took down a list of sights to start visiting because she has time on her hands as she is fighting cancer. her big question was what would have ahppened to her health had obama been president, i told her we all would be visiting her grave.

Doug 1,

McCain is confronting Obama on this relationship. Where have you been?

Are you sure it’s “cowardice” and not something else that had him put that attack angle off until the last debate? What do you suppose he’s saying on the campaign trail, right now?

Where in the world has the media been? We get a piece from the NYTimes designed to head it off at the pass to protect Obama. Why is it up to McCain to confront Obama on information that has been researched indepth, sourced and handed to the press? Finally, Anderson Cooper did something on the Ayres issue, ya think Brokaw could have mentioned that the other night? Noooo now it’s McCain’s fault because he didn’t squeeze it into a townhall style debate. But, Brokaw did have an opportunity to get it hashed out then and there with a single question, he chose not to. So now mister whiney face can brag about McCain not confronting him to his face, funny how that works, yea?

The photo that used had captions on it in black and white.

Above Ayers as he stomps on the flag,
“The group was dealing with the past with a kind of amnesia about violent actions. Bill Ayers recollected his adventurous violence with practiced jokes. “Guilty as hell, free as a bird, it’s a great country,” he said He also said his three sons were incredulous to hear that Bill had burned his draft card to protest the Vietnam War. “Burned your credit card?” asked one little boy. “Man, I’m not that stupid,” Bill said.”

Bottom caption:
“Bill Ayers, August 2001, former Weatherman, stomps on U.S. flag. As a result of their friendship with Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, Bill and Bernardine Dorhn raised Chesa Boudin.”

Obama will continue to lie until his hand is forced at which point he will throw Ayers under the Rev Wright bus and state some other garbage about his associations.

Obama promises CHANGE? What kind of change? Turning the USA in a socialist/communist country? YES WE CAN. And they WILL BE ABLE if he is elected. Gotta stop that dangerous US capitalist hater.

“I find it disturbing that people are insinuating and riling up angry crowds with allegations that BO may be a terrorist.” (Rottimer)

I guess you do not know how to read. Nobody ever said he was a terrorist. All we say is that he associates with terrorists. Which is just as bad.

He also associates with socialists, marxists, communists and crooks. What more do you need to know. It’s clear that Obama has a secret agenda, it is to destroy capitalism and install socalism in this country. Don’t you think people ought to know that?

Doug, INRE your

I’m saying he needs to confront him at the next debate. It’s the honorable thing to do, as he was too cowardly to do it at the last debate.

The debate nanny, Brokaw, didn’t allow for any flexibility. It was far from a “townhall” debate as McCain was accustomed to. Brokaw allowed for a 2 minute “answer”, which both just spit out usual campaign speech answers. The 1 minute follow up was a joke…. like anything can be covered in one minute.

Also, Ayers/Obama is an education issue, debunking that Obama has any credibility on either exeuctive management, or his “reform” educational policies.

If you’ll note, there weren’t any questions on education.

Too cowardly? No. Brokaw and the format skirted the issue with rules, regs and carefully chosen questions.

Try again, dude…. your charges fly in the face of reality.

I agree with George Will. Is this the best the McCain campaign people have?
I hear ya George!
Baldwin ‘08!!!!!!!

This guy is a goddamn professor. He can’t be THAT dangerous.

Well, well.

I do believe that we have a braniac amongst us.

Njoy, that has got to be the dumbest thing I have read on the Internet in years.

You are obviously clueless about Bill Ayers past.

The remainder of your post is not even worthy of parsing.

Yes, passing acquaintance. Serving on a board, if you’ve never done it, does not require getting to know anyone on that board intimately. I’m not going to defend Ayers. He doesn’t deserve defending. But my point is, that as conservatives, it’s the issues that are paramount and not someone’s acquaintances.

McCain was much more intimate with Keating than Obama was with Ayers. He was much more intimate with G. Gordon Liddy than Obama was with Ayers. Both of those guys are convicted felons. I don’t hold that against McCain, because that’s not him, and their actions were not condoned by him.

Why must we go there? This $700BN dollar bailout could have been McCain’s in with the electorate, but he got on the wrong side of it. Wrong or right, had he painted it as a bailout for wall street fat cats, and had he offered a more populist solution, and had he promoted free market ideals and let bad businesses fail he’d be much farther ahead in the polls.

Instead he’s taking this low road, which I fear will incite some crazy nut to do something stupid and smear conservatives with the same brush that McCain is smearing Obama, guilt by association.

You guys here may not be wishing ill on BO or calling him a terrorist, but someone above said, it’s just as bad, and people at these rallies are calling him a terrorist. You’ve got someone who said that he’s got a secret socialist agenda. He’s a democrat, it’s not that secret.

Rottimer,

If you haven’t already figure out that Obama has a secret agenda (socialize your country), than you’re hopeless. No use trying to put some sense in you.

Alas the useful idiots will be the first to go, and as the blade comes down on their necks, you will hear them say ” but Obama Promised change” aaah the stupidity of youth, and the only cure is age.

don’t see any of you assholes condemning McCain for his association with the financial terrorists that got us into this crisis. Dude. This guy is a goddamn professor. He can’t be THAT dangerous.

McCain and financial terrorists that got us into this crisis?? You’re an idiot about how we got from there to here, NJOY.

Try here and here.

Second of all, if you think this “goddamn professor”, doing national and international seminars to educational professionals on teaching “social justice” in school isn’t dangerous, you are ever more the idiot.

You want to spend a trillion dollars to rescue the financial sector, run up a half a trillion dollar budget deficit and still spew nonsense about “small government, deregulation and lower taxes”.

I’ll take responsibility for the GOP POTUS’s lousy judgement in appointing Paulson and Bernanke who started this ball rolling with a three page abomination of a bill, if you take responsibility for 100% of your party who delightedly jumped on the bankwagon to socialize a monstrous segment of the private market with a 450+ page bill as the final version. Remember it was a handful of ballsy GOPers who pointed out how absurd this “bailout” bill was.

Other then that, don’t play the Pollyanna with us. It’s your party that bullied Congress into this, along with a GOP President that you love to hate. Odd bedfellows, eh?

As far as your parting shot… why not take your delusional victim mentality somewhere you’ll be appreciated. I doubt anyone would miss your underinformed Obama talking points here.

Mike, I will apologize when and if McCain confronts Obama on the Ayer’s “associations” at the debate, until then, he is still a moral coward.

Do you think adding “moral” in front of coward makes it better, Doug? You saw my post #18 INRE any realistic opportunity to bring up Obama/Ayers… an education issue.. in that debate. They avoided that issue completely. Wonder why, eh?

In in case you didn’t see it, I’m going to repeat my comment to you spreading these “coward” comments from thread to thread.

Doug said:~~~

As McSame had in bragged on about how he was going to ‘take the gloves off’ on Obama in Nashville, all of us were waiting for that moment… yet it never came, conservatives reclined in their chairs disappointed across the country, wondering what happened, why the Maverick didn’t strike; there was everything in place for it to happen, the table was set, yet McSame never even sat down at the table and all were wondering what prompted the change of keeping the gloves on. Was he never going to bring Ayers up again.

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Shouldn’t McCain, a man of honor, place his attacks, personally, to the man he claims is a ‘friend of terrorists?’

If McSame refuses, he is a coward and slanderer.

I repeat… my first impulse is to tell your ass where to go on that last statement, Doug. Because from all I know of you, you haven’t got the amount of stamina and courage in your entire body that McCain has in his little finger. You show me you survived 5 years of torture as McCain did in the Hanoi Hilton, as well as many of our lesser recognized vets, and I might give you a pass.

Until there, you’re not fit to wipe McCains shoes clean on that level.

Now, I will say this. I don’t know if McCain’s advisors have a grasp of the real story between Ayers and Obama. But more and more media are catching on.

And since candidates, Congressmen and POTUS alike depend upon advisors to keep them up on the latest/greatest, hopefully they will catch on that it’s more than Ayers’ terrorist past.

For me, this is rather a personal test of just how good the people are that surround McCain. Mind you, I already know that those that surround Obama are those I want no where near the control of this country. But after some of Bush’s picks, I have to say that if I’m to vote AGAINST OBAMA, I’d like to know that I’m happy with McCain’s inner circle as recompense.

But… if you ever go to the “coward” and “slander” charge against McCain again for political fodder? Doug, you’ve gone beyond the foul line for me. You will never get an ounce of courtesy from me again. Period. And you know I have far more patience than many here. That’s exactly how far off the reality line you just went.

Mark my words. No one and I mean NO ONE! slanders a man as a coward with McCain’s military record in front of me, and lives to get an iota of my respect.

The Obama-Ayers-education-socialist link is very real. Thus it is not slander.

If you like that socialist bent of Obama, fine. Admit to being a socialist and we’ll get on with it.

But I will not… I repeat, WILL NOT listen to that crap of “coward and slander” from you one more time. And adding “moral” in front of coward doesn’t give you a hall pass.

Moral coward is not cloaking my acquisition, it is emphasizing it!

And HELL yeah, until he stands toe to toe and tells him he’s a terrorist associate, he’s a slanderer and coward!
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Mata Note: Say farewell to Doug, folks. He’s outta here. Don’t let the saloon door hit your ass on the way out.

Thanks Mata, Mike and Curt for getting rid of this vicious disrespectful Doug. He his despicable! I’ve seen good right wing blogs in Quebec go down the drain because they accepted idiots like Doug. FA is a fantastic blog; never let the leftists invade it with their fascist manners.

Well, my weekend is shaping up, first my good news that my daughter and new granddaughter are spending the weekend and now, doug’s gone. Thanks!

OT. Follow up to the video I posted above about the ph call between Hannity and Corsi.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77508

While being detained, Corsi was texting Farah just before his phone was taken from him. Now we have this WND article with copies of the e-mail that went back and forth between Obama and Odinga. Looks like it could be a future thread.

@Aye Chihuahua

When I was in the Marine Corp, I lived with, trained with, fought with a couple of guys who used to sell drugs. They told me this in confidence, and were unrepentant about it because they felt it was the only way they could survive in their neighborhoods. I argued with them about that, and for a long time I used to refer to one of them as “gangster” instead of his name and I did so in a derogatory way. But I also respected them because they had moved on with their lives and were doing the exact same thing I was doing, defending their country (though, this was not a time of war). They found the Marine Corp a way to get out of that lifestyle and stayed in when I got out. I know one of them had become a Gunny and was deployed to Iraq. I lost contact with the other.

If anyone said that I consorted with drug dealers and questioned my character on that front to my face, I’d have a difficult time not putting my fist through their mouth.

Ayers, is admittedly, different. He tried to kill people (decades ago). However, the boards that Obama and Ayers consorted together on were funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly an organization full of die-hard radicals looking to overthrow the government. Exactly what do fear about Obama having met this man? How does it affect what I worry about an Obama presidency, which are backwards economic and social policy?

Putting them together however, weaves quite a tale.

A consevative fairytale.

You don’t have to agree with me, and I can’t stop you from calling me names. I’m just of the opinion that conservatives can defend their beliefs without denigrating the character of an opponent.

Well said, Rottimer.

Aye Chihuahua:

You didn’t willingly pick and choose them to be your friends.

It just sort of worked out that the three of you were in close quarters with one another.

Is that correct?

If so, that is a major flaw in the comparison of your situation to the one that we are discussing regarding Obama.

Obama CHOSE to be associated with Ayers. He CHOSE to be associated with Dohrn.

They both CHOSE to continue their associations and friendships with full knowledge of what the Weather Underground did in the 60’s.

They also CHOSE to continue their associations and friendships EVEN AFTER additional information came to light where Ayers and Dohrn made it very clear that they are NOT REPENTANT. They are not sorry.

Thomas Sowell made a good distinction:

Critics of Senator Barack Obama make a strategic mistake when they talk about his “past associations.” That just gives his many defenders in the media an opportunity to counter-attack against “guilt by association.”
We all have associations, whether at the office, in our neighborhood or in various recreational activities. Most of us neither know nor care what our associates believe or say about politics.
Associations are very different from alliances. Allies are not just people who happen to be where you are or who happen to be doing the same things you do. You choose allies deliberately for a reason. The kind of allies you choose says something about you.
Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, William Ayers and Antoin Rezko are not just people who happened to be at the same place at the same time as Barack Obama. They are people with whom he chose to ally himself for years, and with some of whom some serious money changed hands.
Some gave political support, and some gave financial support, to Obama’s election campaigns, and Obama in turn contributed either his own money or the taxpayers’ money to some of them. That is a familiar political alliance– but an alliance is not just an “association” from being at the same place at the same time.
Obama could have allied himself with all sorts of other people. But, time and again, he allied himself with people who openly expressed their hatred of America. No amount of flags on his campaign platforms this election year can change that.

I would love to see McCain do so at a debate. However his failure to do so doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Really, the mental contortions the mentally ill left goes thru to cling to their fantasy is amazing. BTW, for the definition of cowards, look at liberals.

S_A_M (behaving well at the moment) said:

The problem is not ACORN or poor home buyers. Those initially affected by the program were paying their loans. Once these mortages could be packaged and sold on the market, a bubble was created– meaning everyone jumped on the bandwagon, and things simply accelerated.

I’m sorry, Sam. But you do not understand the mortgage market. The bundling of loans to sell on the secondary market (or securitization) has been around since the 70s. The bulk of loans made are Fannie/Freddie. Bundling the loans first for sale to the second market… aka MBSs (mortgage backed securities) is not a new creation.

Beginning in 1983, loans from Fannie and Freddie were bundled again as CMOs (collateralized mortgage obligations) and sold out again in a “pass thru” market.

The Tax Reform Act of 1986 created REMICs (Real Estate Mortgage Investment Conduit) to facilitate the issuance of CMOs. Today almost all CMOs are issued in the form of REMICs. In addition to maturities variances, the REMICs can be issued with different risk levels.

There is nothing wrong with bundling and pass thru marketing. This keeps areas from becoming capital shy, and depriving the local denizens of the denial of credit. And it keeps the costs down for the consumer.

What is wrong is bundling BAD product. And these high risk loans are bad product. The exotic loans, i.e. low doc/no doc, interest only, and ARMs, were introduced because the change in the proof of compliance first for the CRA banks in 1995 required they show a certain amount of minority lending on their books or be penalized.

These people could qualify with the standard criteria. So they had to create criteria that would move them thru the system… meaning little to no proof of income, relaxing the income to debt numbers, etc.

Thus, the exotic loans and subprime risky loan market was created. … ala, the beginning of the BAD product to be packaged.

Of course the loans were in demand. The free market saw the demand as lending is very competitive. These were not, and should not be loans only offered to a particular class of people. They are a financial tool that can be used… and abused. I know many that took advance of these loan packages. Perhaps they were only going to live in a home for a couple of years, and the ARMs were the ticket as they’d be selling before it reset. Others, like investors/flippers opted for an interest only loan since they were turning the home in 3-6 months. As I said… a tool to be used, or abused.

The upshot of it all is that yes… the market became flooded with risky buyers who took advantage of the loans created by government mandates in 1995. That may have been just fine. But the problem is the flood of buyers pushed the home prices up at an unnatural and unsustainable speed.

See the chart below for the past 33 years. Chart’s too big for the column to see it all. Go to my post, Countering the DNC blame game and scroll down to see it.

Note the sudden rise between late 1996 and 2000. This is the influx of the risky subprime loan buyers.

Now, notice the doubling and tripling of the rise of housing prices between 2000 and 2007 when the bubble started the burst. This is because pre-911, the feds manipulated the rates to control (not very well) the housing prices and inflation. But after 911, the economy was in a world of hurt.

The rates plunged and stayed low. This made money cheap and easy with the exotic loans, no criteria. People who could really only afford to buy a $150K house, now qualified for a $300K house.

Fact is, we could have sustained all the risky loans if the housing prices did not appreciate out of control. You kick out one defaulting buyer in a $300K house, and replace him with another.

But when you have someone with a $300K mortgage on a house that is only worth $210K? That’s where the problems hit.

As I said in my original post, A Perfect Stormof Housing and Lending events, this is not any one event, but a combination of events.

Securitization or bundling, however, is not one of them. They’ve been doing that since the 70s and 80s, sans problem. Again, the problem is bundling BAD product for sale.

Did S_A_M experience spontaneous combustion?

>>Ayers, is admittedly, different. He tried to kill people (decades ago). However, the boards that Obama and Ayers consorted together on were funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly an organization full of die-hard radicals looking to overthrow the government.>>

Ayers’ goal was to create the revolution. His ideal government is communistic. His fellow bombers killed themselves while creating a bomb, and since they had been largely unsuccessful, maybe he decided to take another route. Maybe he was tired of being in hiding. Maybe he decided that he escaped going to jail once due to improper use of wiretaps by the FBI, and that next time they might succeed which would pretty much end his career. Maybe he just matured and decided that violence wasn’t going to achieve his goals. In any case, he turned to education where he has been busy setting a time bomb - the indoctrination of teachers (and thereby young children) in the basics of good socialistic principles…the supremacy of the State. Actually, as a “respected educator” he’s much more dangerous to US democratic principles than he was as a bomber. If you look at the results of the CAC board, it appears that he and Obama were unsuccessful. If you assume that the goal was to teach greater grasp of math and literary skills, then you’d be right. If, on the other hand, you assume that their goal was to sow the seeds of racial dissension and community activism, you might be wrong. It appears to me that Chicago is the hotbed of radical socialism today - and maybe before that.

I don’t have a problem with Obama being a Socialist. I don’t really even have a problem if the people of the US choose a socialistic form of government (actually, that’s not true. I do have a problem with it, but I also believe in the will of the majority prevailing). I _DO_ however, have a BIG, MAJOR problem with Obama presenting himself as an honest broker of democratic principles when in fact he _is_ a socialist, and his whole campaign is an effort to deceive the voters about what he actually represents. Would the voters of the US actually elect a Socialist if they knew they were doing so? I don’t think so. I might be wrong, but I don’t think so. And I think that Obama thinks that also, and that is why he goes to such lengths to deny any association with the socialists in his background.

Which is why it’s so important to get the information out there. If the Obamabots will listen…!