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Sep

US Economy - A “perfect storm” of housing and lending events

Posted by: MataHarley @ 6:20 pm in Economy, Real Estate & Lending

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First let me qualify this post. I am not an economist. However I do have more than the average “Bear Sterns” experience in the real estate world and lending. So here, I like to project some of my own theories as to the culmination of the US economy, turning a 180 because of the effects of what many like to call the subprime mortgage crisis.

I say it’s a “perfect storm” because it took several events together - over more than decades - to create the problematic housing bubble. And without some, we may not be even having this discussion today. So first…

HOME PRICES - MORTGAGE LENDING - FORECLOSURES

What everyone must remember is that foreclosures are not a new entity in the real estate world. In the not so long ago past (pre 2004), if a borrower with a 100% LTV (loan to value) mortgage defaulted on a $300K home… which was worth $300K… that borrower was merely booted out (foreclosed upon), and a new qualified buyer purchased, recouping the lenders cash output. The lender’s loss was confined to the costs of foreclosure.

But one of the largest contributing problems to foreclosures today is something the media doesn’t speak of… and that’s that unnatural and unsustainable housing price inflation that took place most notably between 2004 and 2006. A buyer who purchased a home for 100% LTV in that period bought at the peak of values. If that buyer defaulted, the home was upsidedown in value… with a mortgage far more than the home was worth.

If that is over valued an average of 30% (which isn’t far off, as you’ll see when you observe the rise in prices starting in 1996-97 below), then that $300K home is more realistically worth $210K. This means a default by a buyer incurs the lender a $90K loss, PLUS the foreclosure charges.

When you compound the upsidedown value on the defaulted loans with the foreclosure charges, you can see why the mortgage industry is taking such a hit. They can no longer just replace one buyer with another, and recoup their losses at a minimum.

What was happening with house prices in the last decade or so? Below is a graph of US housing prices since 1975 to 2008, courtesy of some guy named Vodka Jim.

The above chart estimates the market value of today’s median-priced house over a 33-year period.

The red line represents real house prices. For those unfamiliar with economic-speak, “real” prices are prices that have been adjusted for inflation. The blue line represents nominal house prices.

Notice that in the 25-year period from 1975 through 1999, real house prices stayed roughly within the range of $132,000 to $171,000. Only since the year 2000 have real house prices risen above the top of this range. The United States median price was at approximately $206,500 as of the second quarter of 2008. This is 21% higher than the previous housing boom peak of an inflation-adjusted $170,900 in 1989.

Using the red line on the graph (inflation adjusted home pricing) we see a distinct, beeline rise that started in 1997, and continued until the much needed deflation started occuring in 2007. Between 1997 and 2000, the interest rates were higher than what we had, which did help keep the prices in check. However post 911, interest rates lowered, and stayed low, which translates to the price increases that shot up sharply between 2000 and 2006.

I say “much needed” because I don’t believe we are having a home value crash. I have always said this is a required market correction. The home values were rising astronomically, and vastly out of proportion to income.

This same fact is often hard for sellers to swallow. They have it in their mind, after this boom of the past decade or so, that their homes are a veritable piggy bank…. something they can constantly draw out equity and spend on anything but improvements on their home. They bank that, despite an aging and depreciating asset, it will still continue to be worth 10-20% more annually. This is, and has always been a bad risk, as housing - and mortgage rates - has always fluctuated.

Lest ye think this is confined solely to the US, and a Bush created problem, there’s ample evidence to prove your wrong. Another graph below, courtesy of the UK’s The Market Oracle, shows a similar pattern in a similar time frame.

The US Housing market turned lower in late 2006, the down trend to date is accelerating as the number of unsold properties passes the 4 million mark creating a large over hang of supply. There is no technical or fundamental sign of an imminent bottom. US house prices could easily fall another 15% and then be subjected to many years of consolidation before prices can start to rise higher again. This despite the clear inflationary strategy of devaluing the US dollar as evident by the currency adjusted gap developing between US and UK house prices (green line). The US housing market is clearly in the grips of a vicious cycle of house price falls, leading to more foreclosures leading to further house prices falls. The impact of each turn of the cycle is an greater credit squeeze as leveraged banks losses and risks escalate.

The UK housing market peaked in August 2007 and to date is declining at an annualised rate of 7.5%, which is inline with the two year forecast for a 15% price drop from August 2007 to August 2009. Whilst there are many fundamental reasons for why the UK house prices have been more supported than the US i.e. limited new builds and recent influx of immigration from eastern europe. However the degree to which the UK housing bubble has been inflated gives ample scope for a serious price correction that would extend to a period well beyond the initial 2 year house price forecast period, especially if the recent immigrants flow outward during a UK recession and therefore contributing towards a glut of empty rental properties amongst the sizeable speculative buy to let sector.

Not only have UK house prices risen by 170% since January 1999, against US house prices that currently stand at up 111%. But the currency adjusted increase is 225%, where much of this increase has taken place during the past 2 years. The UK housing market seems destined to give up all of the gains made during 2006 and 2007 and therefore targeting a nominal price decline of at least 19%. Declines beyond these are dependant upon inflation and currency trends which could see a real terms inflation adjusted decline of more than 33% over a 3 year time frame (from August 07).

In Jan of 2007, an article in the Director of Finance Online documents the housing inflation’s progress, ranging from low of 7% in the West Midlands to a high of 17.5% in London.

By August of this year, that appreciation had slowed… running approx a year behind the US housing market. The Independent reports that gross mortgage lending is down about 65% from the previous year.

“The monthly numbers of approvals for house purchase, which have fallen by some two-thirds over the last year, levelled off in July,” said David Dooks, the BBA’s statistics director. “It would, however, be premature to think that the housing market will now start to recover, because overall approval activity continues to be very low. The pressures on household budgets are reflected in the relatively weak rise in individuals’ deposits and, with consumer borrowing growing only slowly it seems that consumers are acting prudently.”

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“We continue to anticipate a modest recovery in house purchase activity [in the second half]. But the still very low level of approvals points to falling house prices – we currently expect an 18 per cent drop by year end, and a further 9 per cent decline by the end of 2009.”

The UK did something the US did not between 2000 and 2006… they used their interest rates to attempt to control their prices… raising them for awhile before reducing them again.

This leads me to two conclusions. First, had the housing prices not risen out of control, and become over valued, the high rate of foreclosures from risky subprime ARM loans would not have had the same effect on the overall lending industry. Defaulting buyers would merely be replaced with qualified buyers for a home worth the note value.

Secondly, this is not just a US problem…. Considering the UK’s eerily parallel path, and the reality that George W. Bush has nothing to do with British regulations of lending, it’s difficult to simply tie this to a sitting POTUS or British PM. For whatever reasons the UK experienced their housing inflation, it is having the same economic effect.

EASY MONEY LED TO INFLATED US PROPERTY PRICING

So why did those home prices get driven up so high? Two reasons… first the availability of money to risky borrowers who did not have access before. And secondly, that easy money coming at a cheap rate.

As Dan Danning, editor or Strategic Investments, wrote in his article for the Daily Reckoning, The New Serfdom”, 2003 was a banner year for refinancings and rock bottom rates. By April, the refinance market dropped 30% “on a week-over week basis. That was not long after short-term bond prices cratered - and yields spiked up. Rates went up, healthy borrowers lost the incentive for refinancing and purchasing, and the run at the ARMs by the more risky homeowner began in earnest.

Now there was the opportunity for cheap money at the entry ARM rates, or taking advantage of the no-doc/low doc, stated income or interest only exotic loan packages. The new buyers did not think 3-5 years into the future at the adjusted pricing.

Regulations mandate that lenders disclose the adjustment will occur and payments will be based on a capped percentage off the prime rate. But since no one has any idea what rates will be 3-5 years in advance, it’s almost impossible to tell them what a future loan payment will be. How do you demand disclosure of a number based on a rate pulled out of the hat? Such are the pesky details of reality….

Interest only loans only work when you are guaranteed equity growth… a risky proposition if you’re in a 100% LTV mortgage. You might as well bet you’ll always have at least a full house in the local poker game with every hand.

In 2004, Federal Reserve Board governor Ed Gramlich credited the innovative prime and subprime packages for some 9 million new homeowners. In a speech to the Financial Services Roundtable in Chicago, May 2004, he also noted that “Subprime borrowers pay higher rates of interest, go into delinquency more often, and have their properties foreclosed at a higher rate than prime borrowers.”

At that time, the delinquency rates ran at around 7 percent, compared to 1 percent with prime mortgages. But the subprime borrowers were higher risk, and had less margin for area. Compound that with subprime mortgage lending increasing 25% annually between 1993 and 2004, and that 7% was starting to represent a serious percentage of notes packaged and sold on the secondary mortgage market.

With the easy money, and a drove of risky buyers flooding the market looking to purchase, sellers and listing agents commanded more dollars for the existing inventory… the ol’ finite supply vs increased demand syndrome. Builders were pounding out houses that were selling before the roofs were put on. Nothing could stay on the market long, and bidding wars became the norm, driving prices up.

But, as we see, the price inflation itself was a major contributor to the downfall… the influx of so many high risk buyers may have been somewhat managable without the increased prices. But the two together? Major components of the perfect storm.

EASY MONEY A FAULT OF NO REGULATION?

Today the instinctive rallying cry is the demand for more government regulation. Odd and rather disjointed solution when you consider you’re asking the very entity - Congress - responsible for creating and overseeing the largest secondary mortgage companies (Fannie and Freddie) to take over control and add even more regulations. Especially since they’ve had oversight, and Fannie/Freddie problems were apparent at the end of the 90s.

But let’s take a closer look at that regulation vs degulation - or the removal of government controls on an industry - argument. Curt brought you up to speed on that story with his Sept 20th post, Jimmah at fault for this financial mess. He tells of the Community Reinvestment Act that was established in 1977 by Congress, and signed into law by Carter.

From a very well written article in the winter of 2000 note PRE-GEORGE BUSH era… by Howard Husock:

The Act, which Jimmy Carter signed in 1977, grew out of the complaint that urban banks were “redlining” inner-city neighborhoods, refusing to lend to their residents while using their deposits to finance suburban expansion. CRA decreed that banks have “an affirmative obligation” to meet the credit needs of the communities in which they are chartered, and that federal banking regulators should assess how well they do that when considering their requests to merge or to open branches. Implicit in the bill’s rationale was a belief that CRA was needed to counter racial discrimination in lending, an assumption that later seemed to gain support from a widely publicized 1990 Federal Reserve Bank of Boston finding that blacks and Hispanics suffered higher mortgage-denial rates than whites, even at similar income levels.

But it was a different lending world in Carter’s era. Banking then was small, local savings banks, prohibited by regulations from interstate lending activity, and sometimes being confined to certain areas within the state. Since banking is like any other industry - it must make a profit to survive - the risk was controllable as they knew their risk areas more easily, and competition was minimal.

But upon the arrival of commercial banking in the 90s, the heavy competition caused the collapse of the small banking institution. They could not survive the competition of the national and international business lenders. But they also didn’t know the local ‘hoods, either… thus an increase in risk by being blind to the actual specifics.

Then comes Bill Clinton. Again, from Husock’s article in the winter of 2000.

The Clinton administration has turned the Community Reinvestment Act, a once-obscure and lightly enforced banking regulation law, into one of the most powerful mandates shaping American cities—and, as Senate Banking Committee chairman Phil Gramm memorably put it, a vast extortion scheme against the nation’s banks. Under its provisions, U.S. banks have committed nearly $1 trillion for inner-city and low-income mortgages and real estate development projects, most of it funneled through a nationwide network of left-wing community groups, intent, in some cases, on teaching their low-income clients that the financial system is their enemy and, implicitly, that government, rather than their own striving, is the key to their well-being.

One of the examples of the left wing community groups (and obviously their “community organizers”) is ACORN. On one of their releases, they have a report/press release proudly touting their battles against CRA reform that may exempt banking institutions from the CRA examinations of compliance - ala mandated redlining lending - for those with aggregate assets of no more than $100 million…. HR 1858.

When the House Banking Committee considered the bill, ACORN was there in force. Denied the right to testify on the proposed legislation, ACORN president Maude Hurd stood up when mark-up began and demanded to be heard. Subcommittee Chair Roukema (R-NJ) called the Capitol Police who took Maude and four other ACORN leaders to D.C. central booking where they were charged with disrupting Congress. Requests from Rep. Joe Kennedy and Sen. Edward Kennedy to release the ACORN activists failed, and it was not until Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) showed up at the jail and refused to leave that they were released late that night. Meanwhile, as mark-up continued in subcommittee, ACORN members again displaced the industry lobbyists who were forced to watch the proceedings on closed circuit television. When the full Committee took up the measure ACORN supplanted the lobbyists once more, this time packing the overflow room as well, leaving many lobbyists in the hallways.

Amazing they spit out the word “lobbyist” with such venom. For when you think about it, what is ACORN but just another “lobbyist” organization?? oh well… They seem to live in a alternative universe.

The problem with Clinton’s reforms is he did not take into consideration the face lift on banking. Now the bank’s efforts to prove they weren’t redlining - or showing discriminatory practices - had to be shown with “the numbers”…. In essence, having high risk loans now became mandatory. These reforms commenced Jan 1st, 1995.. just before the GOP majority Congress took over after their midterm election sweep. This was a desperate act by Clinton, rewriting the regulations, knowing it would be rejected if he submitted it to the new GOP Congress.

During the seventies and eighties, CRA enforcement was perfunctory. Regulators asked banks to demonstrate that they were trying to reach their entire “assessment area” by advertising in minority-oriented newspapers or by sending their executives to serve on the boards of local community groups. The Clinton administration changed this state of affairs dramatically. Ignoring the sweeping transformation of the banking industry since the CRA was passed, the Clinton Treasury Department’s 1995 regulations made getting a satisfactory CRA rating much harder. The new regulations de-emphasized subjective assessment measures in favor of strictly numerical ones. Bank examiners would use federal home-loan data, broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race, to rate banks on performance. There would be no more A’s for effort. Only results—specific loans, specific levels of service—would count. Where and to whom have home loans been made? Have banks invested in all neighborhoods within their assessment area? Do they operate branches in those neighborhoods?

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The CRA’s premise sounds unassailable: helping the poor buy and keep homes will stabilize and rebuild city neighborhoods. As enforced today, though, the law portends just the opposite, threatening to undermine the efforts of the upwardly mobile poor by saddling them with neighbors more than usually likely to depress property values by not maintaining their homes adequately or by losing them to foreclosure. The CRA’s logic also helps to ensure that inner-city neighborhoods stay poor by discouraging the kinds of investment that might make them better off.

Written in the winter of 2000… sounds like it could have been written yesterday.

In 2003 and on, the Bush WH was actively pursuing Fannie/Freddie reform since they could see the handwriting on the wall for potential massive default. By then, they had issued $1.5 trillion in debt.

Yet supporters of Fannie/Freddie (uh… DNC…) argued that tighter oversight with the changes may make it more difficult to finance loans for the lower income families. Yet it was these very loans that were at the source of the problem.

Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Franof Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.

Will those words return to haunt them today? With our research-deficient MSM…. unlikely.

UPDATE: Now, what Congress members would like you to believe is that securitization, or the bundling of loans to sell interstate as MBSs (mortgage backed securities), then repackaged yet again for resale, is the problem. Yet intersale of assets is necessary to provide opportunity for more buyers.

The reality is that had non-risky loans been packaged, and risky loans had been avoided, none of this would have happened, and the MBSs would be stable. Thus, the problem is not that loans were bundled, but that BAD risky loans were bundled.

See more on this at Countering the DNC blame game from Oct 4th.

So here’s the point. Before we scream for “regulation”, we need to realize it was *regulation* that put us in the quandary that placed the final component into the perfect storm…. the mandated increase of high risk loans. The specifics of any regulation/deregulation really need to be poured over carefully…

THE PERFECT STORM

The Clinton “improvement” of CRA was done in 1995. Now… look at the charts above one more time. Notice that from 1989 to 1995, the home prices remain relatively flat. Now notice that the increase in home prices corresponds to Clinton’s revamping of CRA, and his new mandates to prove compliance by firm numbers.

Now we see a clearer picture to “the perfect storm”.

The mandated easy money (documented by actual loan numbers and not intent) to high risk lenders was accomplished by the creative loan packaging…

The influx of so many buyers from the low rates and exotic loan packages flooded the inventory with ready and able buyers…. this led to overinflated prices of homes and the big boom of 2004-2006…

… which led to the inevitable foreclosures of the high risk buyers. They were unable to refi because of the inflated value…

…finally setting the stage for the high lending losses today - money the banks put out for inflated property values that can not be recouped in a resale in today’s market.

Not so much of a surprise when you see the overview, yes?

Now, let’s reconsider that $700 bill bailout in bad notes… is it really that much? How many of those homes can be resold for a realistic value? Let’s say the average overinflated value in the notes is 25%. That’s $125 billion in lost equity. And that’s considerably less than the $700 billion.

Are we “over bailing” the boat??

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28 comments so far

Craig
 1Reply to this comment  

Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historical financial turmoil on the market. But if it’s dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.

Mata, here are two interesting articles in the subject:

THE REAL CULPRITS IN THIS MELDOWN
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306370789279709

ORGANIC MARKET
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/09/18/market-organic-regulation-oped-cx_rr_0918roberts.html

September 22nd, 2008 at 7:12 pm
 2Reply to this comment  

Yup, Craig… I definitely pull both Bill Clinton and the DNC into all this in the post. The DNC dabbling with their choices of regulation were definitely one component of the perfect storm.

However, also add to the mix sellers, listing agents and appraisers that helped drive up the housing prices. For if the housing prices stayed reasonable, despite the flood of buyers on the market, the lending industry would not be in the red. So consumers and other real estate professionals also lent a hand.

Like I said, a perfect storm coming together. The environment was ripe for it.

But to demonstrate that it’s not all the Dems and Congress, you need only look at the UK, in the same pickle. And that actuall raised interest rates thru their boom to try and control the housing prices to minimize the damage. Just not enough…

September 22nd, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Craig
 3Reply to this comment  

Watch out for your next market collapse… lol

See this video:

ECONOMIST WARN ANTI-BUSH MERCHANDISE MARKET CLOSE TO COLLAPSE
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/economists_warn_anti_bush?utm_source=embedded_video

September 22nd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
 4Reply to this comment  

There’s plenty of blame to go around (especially on the DemocRat’s side) but we need to fix the problem, instead of assigning blame, which is what all current politicians are doing.

September 22nd, 2008 at 8:04 pm
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The point of the post, thebronze, is to help assess how the problem originated. You have to understand that before “fixing” the problem.

And obviously, more government intervention is unlikely to “fix” anything. They should not concentrate on getting the house prices back to reasonable levels… a free market task. They may put caveats on the bail out that fester the economic boil.

Frankly, I think they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off, and clueless to boot.

The house prices need to be at a realistic level, the mortgage money has to flow, and the interest rate has to keep the housing prices from flying up unnaturally again.

Not one of these fixes are the job of government. Whatever they do, they need to stay out of the way to allow these events to return to normal.

September 22nd, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Walter M. Clark
 6Reply to this comment  

But Mata,

You said “For if the housing prices stayed reasonable, despite the flood of buyers on the market, the lending industry would not be in the red.” With a flood of buyers you’re going to have either quickly rising prices or government regulation that prevents many of those buyers from even being able to “bid” on a house the lenders are telling them they can qualify for. Unless you repeal the law of supply and demand, or depend on ACORN, real estate people, “community organizers” and the Democrats to act reasonably. And if you believe that will happen I’ve got a bridge back east I’ll sell you, special for you just today, one bridge for the price of two.

Walter M. Clark

September 22nd, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Craig
 7Reply to this comment  

You are so right Mata. Here is the conclusion of one of the article I linked in my comment #1 (Organic Market)

“Politicians and policy makers ignored the essentially organic nature of market forces and assumed that one piece of the market could be altered while everything else remained unchanged. But politicians always think they can design a market from the top down as long as just the right regulations are put in place. Unfortunately, the most recent actions of policy makers have already done immense harm.

By failing to highlight the role of government in creating the current crisis, they have encouraged citizens to believe that markets have failed.

Both presidential candidates will promise a risk-free world with high returns. But peddling that fantasy is the cause of the current crisis. We treat our children this way–we do our best to insulate them from harm and still allow them to grow. I’d like politicians to treat me as an adult, paying the price for my recklessness and reaping a reward when I am prudent. Returning to that world, the world of markets, is the beginning of a return to stability”.

September 22nd, 2008 at 8:34 pm
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With a flood of buyers you’re going to have either quickly rising prices or government regulation that prevents many of those buyers from even being able to “bid” on a house the lenders are telling them they can qualify for. Unless you repeal the law of supply and demand, or depend on ACORN, real estate people, “community organizers” and the Democrats to act reasonably.

Sorta yes, and sorta no, Walter.

There’s an adage in the real estate business that your home is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay. When that comes to a cash deal, it’s true.

However in real estate transactions, if a lender is involved, so is an appraiser. The appraiser is hired by the lender to insure that the property suits the loan value of the offer. If a home appraises low for the offered price, the buyer must put in more money, or the seller must agree to lower the price or the deal goes south.

If homes in the neighborhood have only been documented as selling for $300K, and the appraiser turns in a value of $450K for a similar home to support an offer, there’s some subterfuge going on. Once an appraiser establishes a false value like that, the next neighbor can come in with a higher price, and point to that house and say “see!”

Now if the bank carefully checked over the appraisal, and found the appraiser was ignoring nearby lower sales, and going out further into higher dollar areas to substantiate the offered price, they could have refused to lend the full offered amount, unless it was one stellar buyer with lots of cash down. They care only to cover what they have invested in the home.

So, if a buyer wants to over bid in a bidding war, the bank should still only lend on the house value amount, and the buyer must bring in the additional. And all should be noted in the sales history… appraisal value, and overage. Would entail some reporting changes, and that’s it.

So actually, remaining within reasonable guidelines of market sales history would keep the prices stable… as long as the appraiser and lender are straight up and honest. But lenders don’t know the neighborhoods, like in the old days. They depend upon an appraiser to be their eyes.

It only takes a few sales above and beyond the old norm to create a new “norm”. And during the days of bidding wars, this is what happened.

September 22nd, 2008 at 8:51 pm
 9Reply to this comment  

Mata, I meant that in general, not as a direct response to your post. Sorry I came across as such.

September 22nd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
 10Reply to this comment  

OHhhhhhhhh. Thanks for clearing that up, bronze!

September 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
 11Reply to this comment  

Did you see Obama said McCain had no executive experience? I beg to differ.

http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-says-mccain-doesnt-have-executive.html

September 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 pm
 12Reply to this comment  

Obama said McCain had no executive experience I disagree

http://www.thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/

September 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Fit fit
 13Reply to this comment  

You left how how the bundling of these subprime loans infected the market. This is what really feed the mortgage companies with their “easy money” and spread the risk to the rest of the market.

As far I can tell no one was ever forced to purchase a bundle package of risky subprime loans. That was a free will, free market decision and just as stupid and reckless as the one made by Mr. Subprime Borrower and his mortgage company.

September 23rd, 2008 at 6:12 am
Fit fit
 14Reply to this comment  

Whatever they do, they need to stay out of the way to allow these events to return to normal

I am begining to think it would be best to not intervene and just let the market crash in order to correct itself. It’s what it wants to do. It’s what it’s been trying to do for years. The short term would be extremely difficult. However five years from now we would be in a much healthier place than if we go ahead with this bailout.

September 23rd, 2008 at 6:40 am
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You left how how the bundling of these subprime loans infected the market. This is what really feed the mortgage companies with their “easy money” and spread the risk to the rest of the market.

As far I can tell no one was ever forced to purchase a bundle package of risky subprime loans.

No, Fit… I did not leave it out. The selling of high risk loans on the secondary is obvious, since few if any banks keep the notes. It’s a standard practice to free up their assets to loan again.

However you are under the assumption they package all high risk loans together and find some dupe. Not the way it works. The subprime and prime are generally packaged together to spread the risk. You’re buying a trunk load of promissory notes. When you buy lots of these trunks, there will be the high risk loans in all. It’s not like one trunk is all losers.

When you have several trunks and an “x” percentage of bad notes, it doesn’t matter how they arrived in your portfolio.

September 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm
sedonaman
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“These reforms commenced Jan 1st, 2005.. just before the GOP majority Congress took over after their midterm election sweep.”

Shouldn’t that be 1995?

September 27th, 2008 at 6:50 am
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Yup Sedonaman… thank you for catching “my senior moment”… LOL I’ve corrected.

September 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Rocky_B
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This story and thread got me thinking… Besides the predatory lenders, Wall Street, Dems like Barney Frank & Chris Dodd ignoring the dangerous trends and regulator feed back, Acorn activities with banks and stupid people either intentionaly or conned into buying homes they couldn’t afford. There are a few aspects that have gone undiscussed.

You see, not all of us home buyers were living beyond their means when we first purchased our homes. There are several aspects that have been wholly ignored that also contributed to the problem; Greedy local government officials, the Federal reserve playing with the interest rates, and several cost of living increases.

When I purchased my Virginia home in January 2000, my monthly payment was $714, gasoline was $1.31 a gallon, property taxes were around $400. Over the next five years, when the housing bubble topped out, interest rates raised my House payment by $200/month, Gas went to $2.19, all utility bills had hidden tax increases and jumped up by $40-100 (depending on the season), local property taxes nearly doubled & food prices have gone up %50. Yet income only went up 3% each year (15%). This was a heavy strain on everyone’s home budgets. That’s why the housing bubble burst in 2005. Since then Local government officials ignored the housing bubble burst and keep raising property appraisals on our homes so they could keep increasing taxes, Early 2007 gas prices increased another $1, then another $1 this summer. Throwing our corn away on Ethanol production to keep the environmentalists happy is kicking up food prices again, and it’s been a never-ending nightmare. As a retiree now on a fixed income it’s hell just keeping my head above water and I’m frugal as hell. Most people loosing their houses now are not those that made bad decision, it’s us regular folks that have been unable to maintain anything close to the same lifestyle we had in 2000. Now consider all of these factors mentioned above and ask yourself, “What is missing?”

What’s missing is who the Dems blame for all this; Bush. We’ve all clearing pointed out in these threads that it is the Democrats in Congress that messed up Fannie Mae & Freddy Mac. It’s the Democrats that are trying to force ethanol down our throats. The Democrats who have blocked drilling for more oil and natural gas for the last 40+ years. The Democrats who have tried to block construction of refineries and nuclear powerplants. And who has taken over government control in Virginia and been creating and increasing every local tax they can find? Democrats. Who has been limiting military base pay to only 3% per year when the cost of living has been going up by 5%? Democrats. So please explain to this Independent Johnny and the rest of the fly-by socialist posters here, why the hell I should put their poeple in power.

October 11th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
sedonaman
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Rocky_B:

Re: “So please explain to this Independent Johnny and the rest of the fly-by socialist posters here, why the hell I should put their poeple in power.”

You want “change”, don’t you?

October 12th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Rocky_B
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I assume the question was rhetorical, yet feel it deserves to be answered.

Not at the cost of our liberties, freedoms, rights, and social moralities we hold dear.

Not at the cost of the Constitution and Bill of Rights I swore to protect and was willing to give my life for.

Not at the cost of Oppression.

And certainly not the types of “change” the likes of Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Frank, & the numerous others would inflict on us.

October 12th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
sedonaman
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Rocky_B:

My comment was intended to be sarcasm for Obama’s campaign line. Hence, “change” is in quotes.

October 13th, 2008 at 6:41 am

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