The anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine has been working in COVID-19 patients, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert Wilkie said on Wednesday.
Wilkie’s comments come after a study looking at the effects of the drug in 368 patients in Veterans Health Administration hospitals found no evidence the drug is effective against COVID-19, a new disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.
Responding to the results during an appearance on MSNBC, Wilkie said, “That’s an observational study. It’s not a clinical study. It was done on a small number of veterans; sadly, those of whom were in the last stages of life, and the drug was given to them.”
The drug “has been working on middle-age and younger veterans,” Wilkie added. By that, he meant that it was “stopping the progression of” COVID-19.
@retire05, #98:
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a political organization, not a medical organization. The only thing medical about it is that its membership consists of ultra-conservative doctors who promote political positions that relate to medical practice.
The organization has a history of taking up and promoting many non-mainstream positions that are scientifically discredited.
Once again, the phrase “worse than useless” comes to mind.
@Greg: greggie the rock. Then why are health care workers taking it? Rocks can not see or hear or think. Describes you well.
@Randy, #102:
Who says they still are?
It will likely keep a COVID-19 patient from developing malaria. I took 500 mg of chloroquine weekly for over a year. Fifty years later, and still no malaria!
Hydroxychloroquine is PROVEN effective. Trump-hatred causes idiots to deny reality.
@Greg: Yep, greggie the rock!
@Greg:
So, if there is absolutely no possibility that hydroycholoroquine, along with Z-pac and zinc, have no medicinal efficacy, then why is this happening?
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-begins-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-treat-covid-19
You want Trump to be wrong so badly you’re willing to let people die. That proves was a pos you are, Comrade Greggie.
BTW, your Wiki link show they relied heavily on the NYSlimes, Time and the Washington Compost and nah, those publications are not political, are they? Sorry, Comrade Greggie, your Wiki link was just another hit piece that is so prevalent at Wikipedia. No wonder your brain is so f**ked up.
We’ll likely hit 90,000 U.S. fatalities by tomorrow, and 100,000 by the end of the month. Then we’ll begin to see the first effects of what will quickly become an uncontrolled reopening. I’ve not no illusions about hydrochloroquine. It’s just one more angle that has been worked to promote the false sense of security needed to get people back on the job.
@retire05, #106:
Why do you keep posting an article about the opening of a large-scale double blind clinical trial, as if it were evidence supporting a claim that hasn’t been borne out by less formal trials and observations? We’re suppose to believe and act on a claim until it is conclusively disproven, when most current evidence suggests the treatment likely does more harm than good? I don’t think that’s reasonable behavior.
Trump may be promoting a treatment and an incautious reopening approach that will kill people, and we’re not setting up protocols that will monitor the results closely enough. We won’t know what’s happening until it’s too late to do anything about it. I think he expects a couple of bumps in the road, and then the problem will just go away.
@Greg: Shove your Gates/Faux xi fear porn on inflated death tolls, while Democrat Governors put Covid positive in nursing homes, oh they come with accessories…body bags.
“Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vac ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control over global health policy—the spear tip of corporate neo-imperialism,” Kennedy Jr. wrote.
“Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems fueled by a messianic conviction that he is ordained to save the world with technology and a god-like willingness to experiment with the lives of lesser humans.”
Faux xi has a close relationship with Gates and his tracking software.
The Psychology Behind Donald Trump’s Unwavering Support
Four observable traits that pretty much explain the whole thing…
Even a bungled COVID-19 response won’t diminish unwavering support of Trump, because increased fear only increases the need for belief in him as a shield from fear. Reason has nothing to do with it. Rationalization is far more important.
@retire05:
Exactly, but it wouldn’t even make Trump wrong. He never touted it as a miracle drug or cure; he said it showed promise as a treatment… and it absolutely did. Democrats have to make up the lie of what Trump said first, the prove the lie wrong.
@Greg:
What would be the point in that? Who takes the total hit if the virus spreads? Stop being ignorant.
The only bungled response was by the Democrats, encouraging continuing to socialize, congregate, denouncing travel bans and delaying aid.
I find it curious that everyone here seems to be focusing on which political party wants MORE people to die, or alternately, which presidential candidate has inappropriately touched more women. One would think that in the latter arguments, it would be enough that the accusations seem to suggest that neither of the men in question is homosexual. But the REALLY curious thing is that this site seems focused exclusively on petty arguments of no real consequence. Why is that?
The Trump administration is developing an assortment of incentives to bring back our industrial base from the foreign shores to which it went. In some cases we simply sold our technological capacity to the highest bidder, and in other cases we allowed our own greedy CEOs to move their operations offshore to escape high taxes and labor costs. There has never in our history been a more dangerous threat to our national security than this loss of our industrial base.
Remember that when World War II exploded on the scene, it was the wartime conversion of our industrial capacity to the production of instruments of war that saved our collective hide, and then consider that we’ve sold that saving grace to our dear friends the Chinese. And now, finally, Trump is exploring the payment of whatever it costs to either buy back, return to or reinvent that industrial base on our own home soil. THIS IS A GREAT MOVE!
So why are we NOT talking about THIS? Are you all so deafened by your “Greggie’s a Commie!” and “liberals are idiots” recorded-loop rhetoric that you can’t think to meaningfully discuss a hugely good idea when it bites you in the face?
@George Wells: Thats not what this threads subject is, its about a drug.
If you want to talk about made in America and who sold out America that is a change of subject.
Yes making sure we are not dependent on hostile nations for things that deal with national security a burr under some conservatives saddles for a long time. There are entire ABC departments that are suppose to make sure that doesnt happen. How did uranium rights get sold to Russia? Why are there computer chips made in China in our fighter planes, the list is long and maddening.
They talk about roads and dams and bridges, mostly states responsibility, what about our electrical grid in most big cities its near 3rd world crap. Despite an executive order it isnt hardened. Where is all the gas tax money going we should have spectacular roads and bridges engineered to withstand the heaviest of trucks and the worst winters and summers.
Our schools are closed but the teachers are not on unemployment, those that clean the floors of the schools still collect a full paycheck, our taxes will not go down and the kids are all at home, not using the facilities.
My 1st and 3rd born grandchildren have the advantage of mom is a teacher, 1st is a book worm and loving it he doesnt have to wait for the other kids to “get it” before he can advance.
Not all kids are suited for this school shut down thing or have parents that are not cut out to make them do at least the minimum need extra help to “get it”.
@kitt: And who better to address bringing or capacity home than the Bad Orange Man?
@Deplorable Me: He has my vote, I was highly skeptical and believe he was taken in on this germ warfare but trade agreements and contracts he is a sharp tool.
@kitt: Unfortunately, he had no choice. Look how the Democrats were pushing to keep everything open and denounced the travel ban, all while denouncing everything Trump did. They wanted as many deaths as possible.
@Deplorable Me: He wasnt watching the garden troll as close as he should have. Ms designer Scarfs can be swayed she is loving the limelight, while Faux xi was pushing all the research into franken drugs and just recently serious trials have began on much less costly treatments. They are already plandemicking the resurgence, will the sheep shut everything back down that we fight now to reopen? This is playing out so much like 911 and the patriot act. The libertarian in me screams dont give them any more power, they never ever release it.
@kitt:
Yeah, I got that. Problem is that I wanted to give Trump my support for incentivizing the repatriation of our manufacturing base, and I found nowhere here on FA to do just that. Trump was talking about it NOW, and I liked what I heard. Thought maybe you ought to know that I’m not the “hater” that some seem to think. I don’t like when Trump says stupid things, and I say so. Apparently, doing that is against some Republicans’ religion. But this time, he’s spot-on.
@George Wells:
Your news sources nearly all the time misquote or take out of context what the Prez says.
At times what he says gives me pause and his comments on negative interest rates gives me the willies. Why would I ever put money in any bank or Credit union then pay them to hold it?
Disagreeing is fine, senseless mindless bashing or two faced fence sitting is having no true beliefs at all.
I wanted Cruz, a good man but I was off the mark on the shakeup the country required.
Now Sweeties putting on his super dad cape to save his daughter, seems her car wont start and we have to go to save the day. As his trusty sidekick without the tights, I will sit in the passenger seat.
May 22, 2020 – Antimalarial drug touted by President Trump is linked to increased risk of death in coronavirus patients, study says
*Alone, and in combination with other medications, it significantly increases your chances of being dead. Admitted, a drug that kills you does stop any progression of the disease, but that isn’t necessarily a recommendation in its favor.
@Greg: The secret greggie the rock is
. There is no controlled systematic process for prescribing the drug. Also, they failed to use zinc. CQN works as a preventer to keep the virus from attaching to the cells and allows the zinc to kill it. The antibiotic prevents bacterial infections. None of these studies mentioned the zinc. This study was a bunch of people looking at a population after treatment. There was no pretreatment to determine the population that would be treated. This is kind of like determining the science of climate change by consensus instead of real testing by the scientific method. If CQN is so bad that it kills, why has it failed to kill all of those malaria patients during the past 60 years. Noticed ever conclusion by “doctors or researchers” said linked and not caused. A real study shows cause by using a Chi-Square test. Notice no one quoted in this study showed any Chi-Square test results. They just said linked. You are wrong again greggie the rock! Do some real research. Pretend that you have the virus. What would you do? Look at the real doctors who have been successful in their treatment. Maybe you want Cuomo to just put you in a nursing home to die if you get the virus.
@Greg: Funny how it has been working and praised by those saved by it. Trump hasn’t “promoted it” (for the record, he doesn’t prescribe it, either) but it has been the one and only treatment we’ve had.
The politicization of hydrochloroquine
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/04/23/the-weird-politicized-hydroxychloroquine-wars-n2567405
Bipartisanship, Democrat style: black Michigan Rep. attacked by Democrats for talking to Trump
If it was harmful, doctors wouldn’t be prescribing it.
@Deplorable Me:
Come on, DM, you know better than that.
Medical history is bloated with the history of bad ideas that doctors rushed to prescribe, from the consumption of all sorts of radioactive isotopes to cocaine and heroine to thalidomide to fen-phen to laetrile to shock treatments and lobotomies. In a time when regulation of the drug industry has been drastically cut, doctors may prescribe “off-label,” and winning malpractice suits against experimental treatments is nearly impossible without “class-action,” what’s to stop a doctor from making a wrong call? Remember that fully 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their medical school classes…
@George Wells, #123:
…not to mention the fact that many are influenced by politics. Consider the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, where political ideology often informs medical opinion, rather than the other way around.
@Greg:
You mean unlike American Medical Association that supported Obamacare? Or the AMA that takes money from pharmaceutical companies?
So in your mind; AMA – liberal = good
AAPS- conservative = bad
I know many doctors and NONE of them belong to the AMA.
@retire05:
That is an interesting revelation. It must be a regional phenomenon, perhaps mirroring Texas politics? Because the doctors I know in Virginia have no problem belonging to the AMA, and every one of them I discussed “Obamacare” with supported it because #1: It covered millions more of the previously uninsured, those folks being a huge problem for the healthcare system such as it was, and #2: For its coverage of pre-existing conditions, something the GOP has never voted in favor of or offered a realistic plan of its own to cover. Both of these points would seem to weigh heavily on doctors dedicated to caring for ALL patients, not just working and/or wealthy ones. Perhaps you don’t have such humane doctors in Texas…
@George Wells: @George Wells:
Yeah, because Michael DeBakey and Denton Cooley were just heartless bastards, right?
@George Wells: Except hydroxychloroquine isn’t some new drug. It’s been used for over a century. The effects are not a surprise to doctors.
@Greg: Yeah, a doctor is going to lose his license and go to jail because Trump mentioned a drug.
@retire05:
I just lost the last shred of respect I had for Texas.
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick said COVID-19 social-distancing restrictions should be eased because “there are more important things than living.”
I saw and heard him say it.
I’m guessing that no matter what happens with COVID-19, Danny Boy will have a hard time getting reelected… or else the entire Texas GOP has lost its collective mind too.
More important things than living… I wonder what they are…
I don’t think even Hitler would have tried that argument on the Jews he was gassing…
And Texans elected him…
Surely Jesus wept.
@retire05:
Are they veterinarians?
@George Wells: You should have listened to the entire quote. Then you wouldn’t look like such a fool right now. He said, “there are more important things than living and that’s saving this country”. But it’s more fun for someone in the hate and disinformation business your way, isn’t it?
@Deplorable Me:
I saw the whole thing. I know what he said and the context in which it was said.
The point I attempted to make and that you evidently missed was that from certain rather conservative perspectives, life itself is sacred, while constitutions and geographic boundaries are not. You may not believe that life is sacred, or that it is more precious than OUR constitution or OUR country, and I would THINK that you should remember that I certainly don’t believe that life is at all sacred, so I don’t know from where you are coming with your “hate and disinformation business” comment. THE POINT IS THAT SAYING, IN ANY CONTEXT, “THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAN LIVING” AMOUNTS TO GIVING YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS AMMUNITION TO SHOOT YOU WITH. It will be used against him, again and again. That’s all.
I served my country honorably for six years during the Vietnam War. I UNDERSTAND what sacrificing life is all about. And now I am REALLY glad that I didn’t have to make that ultimate sacrifice for my country, because I no longer think this country deserves it. History will judge the Vietnam War a mistake, a mistake that cost over 50,000 American lives, but at the time we THOUGHT that the price was worth it. Now, I am equally unconvinced that BOOSTING the economy so that Trump gets reelected is worth yet ANOTHER 50,000 additional American deaths. I don’t think that life is “sacred,” but I think it is worth more than that.
@George Wells: There is no point to your statement other than you misquoting Paxton to make a negative point. That invalidates the point.
@George Wells:
You’ve never shown that you had any respect for Texas before.. Why would you now?
Really? Then why didn’t you quote him accurately?
Ain’t happening, Bubba. If he runs again, he wins again.
Well, at least we didn’t elect Governor BlackFace.
To self centered people like you, nothing.
Ah, yes, nothing like resorting back to the old “Hitler” reference.
Yep. And we’ll do it again if he runs. We don’t want no Governor BlackFace types..
How would you know? You turned your back on God a long time ago.
Of course, I really don’t expect a self centered child of privilege, who has no children of his own, to understand that parents, and grandparents, would be willing to sacrifice their own lives for those of their family members and their futures. You can only see things through your own jaded lenses.
What a pathetic life you seemed to have led.
BTW, here’s what Dan actually said:
“No one reached out to me and said, ‘As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’ And if that’s the exchange, I’m all in, And that doesn’t make me noble or brave or anything like that.
I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me … that what we all care about and what we all love more than anything are those children. And I want to, you know, live smart and see through this, but I don’t want to see the whole country to be sacrificed, and that’s what I see.”
Of course, the left went batsh!t crazy with headlines like this one from The Atlantic:
Texas Lt. Governor: Old People Should Volunteer to Die to Save the Economy
Fake News!!!
@retire05:
I don’t dispute that Dan said THOSE words, but THOSE words were not the words I quoted. I saw and heard Dan say the words that I quoted. They are a matter of public record. An audio/video of his exact remark can be viewed about half way down the page at https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/patrick-more-important-living/
He goes on to make the argument that it is the country’s future itself that is in danger from the economic pause, but I disagree with that assessment, primarily because what is REALLY endangered by the various closures is not our ultimate future but business profits over the next few quarters. We have survived long periods of economic near-collapse, and we are still here. Now, after a mere two months of economic contraction, Trump is panicked that a faltering economy might jeopardize his reelection, and is doing everything he can think of to pressure reigniting our economy, never mind if it kills another 50,000 people. I think that cost is too high, but you don’t. Yet YOU think life is sacred. Something doesn’t add up.
@George Wells: SNOPES bwahahahahahahaha.
Memorial Day reminds us to be thankful for those that believed there are more important things than living.
Then there are those that only care about making a gazillion dollars on new drugs that have fatal side effects.
You used an edited quote 1/2 truth aka a damn lie.
@George Wells: Yeah, he said those and, as I showed, some others that provided context and a totally different meaning than you inferred.
@Deplorable Me: George has shape shifter logic,
We shouldnt have police cause they get shot and killed, firemen should avoid fires cause they could burn to death and nurses and doctors shouldnt go by sick people either. Life is to precious to allow those people to take risks.
Life should be totally risk free not by choice by government command.
People cant go to church its too risky?
Push a drug with totally unknown possible side effects, but dont allow one with totally known side effects that wouldnt be prescribed to anyone that their doctors knew they had heart problems, its deadly over 5 million are prescribed it yearly for the off label use of arthritis. We are all gonna DIE.
George lied, then pulled up a well known lying fact check site to back up his lie.
https://medium.com/@Dissension/how-snopes-lies-and-misleads-readers-2b06f4cab9b4
@kitt:
I provided the link to the video. The line I quoted is verbatum from the video. I don’t understand where you are finding an error in that.
@George Wells:
You linked to a site of a guy that is a thiefand liar the site is a total fraud… kinda like you.
@kitt:
I don’t give a sh_t who runs the site. It has the video, a feed that Fox News deleted because they agreed with me that it was an embarrassment. What does THAT tell you?
@George Wells: Tells me nothing, fraud.
I dont have cable I watch very little TV. Its all propaganda when is it you will understand anything? Your twisty shape shifting bull shit impresses only you.
I know you are pretty busy today wearing your Tiara and prancing about. So happy tiara day prancer.
@kitt:
King George said:
You see, for King George, it’s all about profits. Never mind that over 100,000 businesses have shuttered their doors permanently, putting hundreds of thousands of workers out of a job with no chance to return, leaving them destitute, despondent and depressed. For them, it’s all about food and rent and being able to take care of their families.
But King George has, on multiple occasions, let us know that he is financially secure to weather this economic storm, so the hell with the rest of the country.
Except, even during the 1958 pandemic season, we did not shut the nation’s economy down. He is comparing apples to oranges, like most liberals do.
Oh, my, a President that is concerned about the economy. How rare. I’m sure no other president before him ever worried about the economy of the U.S. What a fool King George is.
King George doesn’t think life is sacred. Remember, he has made that clear before. But again, a man of parents of means who seems to have accumulated enough wealth to get through an economic down turn really, if he was honest, which he is not, doesn’t give a hairy rat’s ass about others. How sad his life must be that only his own well being is the only thing important to him; not his aged mother, not his “husband”, not his country.
You are wasting your time with him. He’s just another despicable liberal.
Pushing hydroxychloriquine as a remedy when there’s increasing evidence that it does more harm than good has contributed to a false sense of security.
May 24, 2020 – Packed Boardwalks And Wild Lake Parties On Memorial Day Weekend, As Birx Warns There Should Be ‘No More Than 10 People’ At An Outdoor Gathering
“…And she’ll have fun fun fun
‘Til her daddy takes the T-bird away…”
I went out to Home Depot yesterday to pick up some needed items. The store was as crowded as I’ve ever seen it. I’d estimate that less than 1/4 of the people I saw were wearing masks. Many employees were unmasked. Parking lots on the way there were full. Traffic was much like any other busy, pre-COVID-19 Saturday, which is to say, heavy. My northwest Indiana neighborhood is presently full of cars with Illinois plates—weekend refugees from Chicago, just like on any normal Memorial Day weekend.
Numbers have been falling as a result of serious social distancing measures. So far as we know that was the only reason, and even with that we’re approaching 100 thousand dead. There’s no evidence that the decline in new cases is because the virus is just going away, or because of summer weather, or because of the miraculous effects of hydroxychloroquine. We’re rolling back the one measure that worked, and in many places that’s not being done in a sufficiently cautious manner.
In two or three weeks we’ll find out if we’ll get away with this, or if there will be hell to pay. Which of the two is pretty much a toss up.
@Greg: Thats what some moron said about Georgias reopening go look at the numbers there Puddin’ and Florida, Ya such a shame guys knocking out the hunny do list, but you know nothing about happy wife happy life. Come to think about it you know nothing at all, what harm does short term usage of hydroxychloriquine have while under doctors care, dont forget the zinc and how dangerous that is.
How does swimming in the Atlantic ocean spread the Kung flu? How does sitting on a blanket at the beach spread the pandemic?
You went to the Home Depot why shouldnt all those that were also there?
The problem is that the effing idiots aren’t the ones most likely to die as a result of their own idiotic, spoiled-brat behavior. As with the Florida spring-break beach parties, it will more likely be their parents or grandparents, or maybe the medical personnel trying to save them.
I was wearing a mask, and went directly to and from the location of the specific item I was there to pick up. I did my wandering about and product comparisons online, from my home. It’s not just what you do, it’s how you do it.
@Greg:
You mean like your “own idiotic, spoiled-brat behavior?”
Perhaps you should have looked at the parking lot and determined there were too many people there to make a risk-adverse dimwit like you feel safe.
The underlying problem, in a single photograph.
@Greg: What harm does short term usage of hydroxychloriquine have while under doctors care, dont forget the zinc and how dangerous that is.
@retire05:
People who throw childish tantrums because they’re annoyed with the personal inconveniences of coronavirus protocols never would have made it through the Great Depression or WW2 rationing. They don’t understand the difference between a right and license. They’ve been told that selfishness is a virtue, and think freedom means being able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, without consideration of the effect of their actions on others. They think Jesus was an advocate of capitalism, and prosperity theology is the word of God.