The Frustrating Necessity of Staying in Syria and Afghanistan, Explained

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Another perspective:

We almost certainly know who will dominate in our absence, and we know their hostile intent.

One of the primary problems with our endless debates over (seemingly) endless American conflicts with jihadists overseas is that we rarely go back to first principles. We rarely take a step back and accurately define our strategic and tactical challenge. We don’t do this in debates between pundits, and we don’t do it in public arguments. Instead, all too often we resort to sloganeering and sniping, with serious pieces like those of my colleagues Andy McCarthy and Michael Brendan Dougherty (who disagree, by the way, with my counsel to stay in Syria) the welcome exceptions to the dreary rule.

Moreover, there is a distressing tendency to sweep together the last several Republican and Democratic administrations as if they’re all part of the same foreign-policy establishment that tries to do the same things the same way and then falls prey to the same temptations to turn to American military force as a first resort in the face of persistent Middle Eastern challenges. In reality, however, different approaches have confronted a series of difficult realities, and those realities have necessitated military intervention.

Let’s analyze our challenge as clearly and concisely as we can.

First, there exists a jihadist enemy of our nation and civilization that doesn’t just seek to harm our national interests, it actively seeks to kill as many Americans as possible, as publicly as possible — with the goal of so thoroughly destabilizing and demoralizing our nation that we make room for the emergence of a new jihadist power.

Second, this enemy exists not because of immediate and recent American actions (though it can certainly use some of those actions to recruit new followers) but because of an ancient, potent systematic theology. Never forget that one of the grievances Osama bin Laden listed as justifying his attack on America was the Christian Spanish reconquest of Muslim Spain. That event occurred almost 300 years before the American founding.

 

Third, while it is difficult to predict any given terrorist attack, this much we can say — when terrorists obtain safe havens, they become dramatically more dangerous. The creation of a safe haven escalates the threat and renders serious attacks a near-inevitability.

Fourth, for reasons too obvious to outline, terrorist safe havens are always in nations and locations that are either hostile to the United States or in a state of fractured chaos. Terrorist cells may operate in places like France, but a true safe haven cannot thrive in functioning, strong allied territory.

Finally — and this is critically important — the national obligation of self-defense is permanent. No functioning government that abdicates its duty to protect its citizens from hostile attack can remain legitimate. Preferably self-defense is maintained by deterrence. But when deterrence fails, a failure to engage the enemy doesn’t bring peace, it enables the enemy to kill your people.

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For all these reasons, at the very least American military strategy should be dedicated to denying terrorists safe havens.

So what shall we do about Libya?

Let’s send 200,000 troops to Syria and kick them all out of there. It seems to be what liberals want now.

First this region is only peaceful with a dictators foot on their neck. They have never been peaceful with out that, we get nothing nothing not a damn thing for our billions of dollars spent ,crippled young men and lifes blood in the sand.
I want every vet to remember the exact moment he dropped his duffel bag on the floor after coming home and not having to go back, that feeling. The wives and mothers sister and brothers and children of those men should not be denied that feeling of seeing them home either. We need those men to fill jobs here in the States, a huge ticker tape welcome home parade and kissing in the streets.
We need the tax dollars to pay off our debt secure our borders.
We saw all their men run like rabbits for freebies in Europe time to send them home to fight for their own country.

While the NYTimes is more of a source for fake news than the real stuff, they report today that Pres Trump is considering Dem Jim Webb for Sec Defense.

Mr. Webb was an outspoken opponent of the Iraq war. He is being considered as President Trump seeks to carry out campaign promises to withdraw American troops from Syria and Afghanistan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/03/us/politics/jim-webb-defense-secretary.html

Could Jim be trusted tho?

@Nan G: Richie wont like it if his Jimmy joins Trump.
https://russia-insider.com/en/war-hero-jim-webb-ri

@Nan G: Well, he knows what scumbags Democrats are, at least.

Once again, we’re betraying and abandoning the Kurds who fought with us.

“They can dig tunnels or ditches if they want. They can go underground if they want. When the time and place come, they will be buried in their ditches.”

Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar, last month, regarding the Kurds’ preparations to defend their villages from Turkish attack.

It was becoming apparent that we couldn’t be trusted over a year ago:

November 11, 2017 — The US will rue its betrayal of the Kurds

They’ll probably align with Russia and Assad for protection against Turkey, a NATO member. Russia is clearly expanding its sphere of influence. Should we care? Trump doesn’t seem to.

@Greg: Obama betrayed them. We should never have set foot in Syria. We have no business there. Had Obama not released ISIS on the world, there would have been the excuse to chase them and kill them as a reason. Place the blame where it belongs: Obama and his world-wide massive failures.

November 11, 2017 — The US will rue its betrayal of the Kurds

Did Trump betray the Kurds the day he was elected?

Keep in mind, Obama and his infinite stupidity was arming ISIS in Syria.

If choice given I would take Kurds over Somalian and Syrian refugees any day, thing is Kurds will stand their ground, without a land or state it will be hard to continue support. I dont think in less than 20 years the Kurds became so dependent on the US that they will not survive. They have been dodging Turks, Iranians and Syrians for over 100 years, we are only pulling out of Syria at this point. Muslim filth keep slaughtering Christian Sects all over Africa and the ME. Another mass grave was recently found this is genocide and the media turns a blind eye. Nigeria is a christian slaughterhouse.
Take care who you call a “freedom fighter”.

@Deplorable Me: and Kitt

As mentioned Webb like fellow Marines Kelly and Mattis too strong for the insecure Trump to control. Trump doesn’t have the guts to offer the job to Webb.who is truly his own man.

Like me, Webb didn’t like DT or HRC—-He was the best person of all those looking to be Prez—-a uniter that would have had the respect and support of the MAJORITY unlike Trump or Clinton.

Remember Webb upset Conservative darling George Allen Jr. in Virginia.

@Richard Wheeler: Stll waiting for you to actually post an opinion on the subject of an article and not an opinion on someone elses post., Richie what do you think about pulling 2000 men out of the Syrian quagmire? Mattis hates the idea so much he surrendered and retreated from his position, unable to convince the CIC that its not time to just GTFO and take our toys with us.

@Richard Wheeler:

As mentioned Webb like fellow Marines Kelly and Mattis too strong for the insecure Trump to control.

I guess you missed the recent development in the governmental hierarchy, but Trump, like Presidents before, is the Commander in Chief. He DOES control them or they are not in his administration.

Like me, Webb didn’t like DT or HRC—-He was the best person of all those looking to be Prez

He should have stayed a Republican. There is no place for someone like him in the Democrat party today. Ocasio-Cortez is the future of that party, unless they initiate a drastic course correction soon.

Hillary is leftist, lying, corrupt garbage, which is why the DNC ushered her in and liberals voted for her. Trump is a one-of-a-kind leader that the puppet masters can’t control, so he is beset by enemies from all sides. Meanwhile, he is doing an amazingly good job. Or, was until Democrats took the House. We’ll see from here on out.

@Deplorable Me, #7:

Obama betrayed them.

Obama didn’t betray anyone. Obama wasn’t in office in 2017.

We should never have set foot in Syria.

You would have preferred that ISIS remain there, consolidating their power? They had grown so powerful that they set up their own terrorist state, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Have you somehow forgotten? Those are the people Trump now claims he defeated. We’ll see how defeated their extremist ideology actually is after we leave.

No doubt their resurgence will somehow be Obama’s fault—along with our resurgent trillion-dollar-a-year deficits, which are somehow back despite a recovered economy.

@Greg:

You would have preferred that ISIS remain there, consolidating their power?

That was Barry wish who funded the “freedom fighters” ignored or had watered down security briefings.

@kitt, #13:

I guess you’ve forgotten that the tyrannical Assad regime was using war gasses against civilian populations, that the numerous rebel factions opposing Assad were in danger of being absorbed by ISIS as a matter of their own survival, and that the Obama administration was being attacked by the right for its reluctance to quickly provide arms to the rebels, out of concern that there was no certainty who they’d be arming. All that has been erased from the right’s consciousness, by a scheming reality television show host who doesn’t even read his damn security briefings. Nor does the right seem to be aware that Trump, for some reason, is in the process of turning the future of the entire region over to Putin’s expansionist Russia.

Do you think we’re going to have any influence or control over Iran in a couple of years? We had a nuclear weapons agreement with Iran. Trump deep-sixed it with no clue what to do next. Iran is allying with Putin. Iraq will be allying with Iran. Putin will have Syria in his pocket. Turkey is far from a dependable NATO member; honoring NATO commitments with those guys could be a high risk proposition, and expecting them to reciprocate might be wishful thinking. That leaves us with the Saudis, who aren’t exactly our sort of people. Relations there are already strained.
Trump is also apparently blowing off our nuclear arms treaty with Russia, which has successfully kept nuclear weapons out of Europe for three decades. The reason? Who the hell knows.

The man is a idiot. He’s fundamentally clueless about geopolitics and its delicate balances. He’s not informed enough to know what he doesn’t know. He has methodically eliminated from his circle everyone who did know enough to provide a buffer between his impulsive ignorance and geopolitical disaster, because being a buffer required one to challenge Trump’s ego, and that he will not abide. He genuinely doesn’t give a rat’s a** about the burgeoning national debt, which has already gone up by two trillion during his first two years in office, despite economic recovery. We’ve resume trillion-dollar-year deficits even more quickly than worried economists were predicting.

FOX News, January 4, 2019 — US national debt rises $2 trillion under President Trump

This guy could be a hard act to follow, because there may be no act left. Yet his followers insist his first two years have been an unparalleled success.

@Greg: oooo Russia Im so scared, Its CHINA STUPID! Obama gave up our high ground to China and Russia when he took over rocket science and made them join the global warming religion. How do we get to the space station, who just landed on the moon? Who is taking over Africa by debt they couldnt possibly pay back except by giving up power to China. Who allowed Chinese produced chips into our defense systems? Who allowed our hard won technology to be made in China with the demands the Chinese government makes from our manufacturers that moved production there? Who buys our debt like candy? Gawd dems are so nearsighted, the media points your nose where ever they want you to look and away from the freight train bearing down on you.
Who was gassing people Barry had all the gas removed from Syria and verified it right?
Who would still have those?
From the memory hole (Bush Sr. had close ties with CIA and could pull this off under Ronnies nose.)https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html
A country that doesnt care about international laws, agreements or treaties.

@Greg:

Obama didn’t betray anyone. Obama wasn’t in office in 2017.

I believe he was President BEFORE 2017, when ISIS and other terrorists were armed by Obama in Syria.

You would have preferred that ISIS remain there, consolidating their power?

First, without Obama there would have been no ISIS. In fact, without Obama supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Spring, there would have been no civil war in Syria.

Thanks to Trump, ISIS has been decimated in Syria and Iraq. We can provide support for the Kurds and any other groups fighting against ISIS. That has been established. But Russia and Assad don’t want ISIS around, either. We shouldn’t bet there making life easier for the Russians, like Obama did.

No doubt their resurgence will somehow be Obama’s fault—along with our resurgent trillion-dollar-a-year deficits, which are somehow back despite a recovered economy.

If only you had enough sense to realize how idiotic you sound carping about a trillion dollar deficit (from Obama’s last year) when Obama ran $1.4 trillion deficits on a regular basis. Silly.

I guess you’ve forgotten that the tyrannical Assad regime was using war gasses against civilian populations,

Well, apparently they didn’t because Obama said that would be a red line and he would act if they did. He never acted, so I guess they never used gas… wouldn’t that be right? See, “acting” is what Trump did by destroying airfields and aircraft when he found they used gas.

Iran was allied with Putin when Obama paid them $150 billion for the privilege of accepting their terms. There never was any “nuclear agreement”. Neither the US or Iran signed anything. All it was was headlines for Obama to put in his legacy scrapbook.

If you don’t like increased debt, tell the Democrats to allow the Republicans to pass a budget. I doubt you’d be happy, but there would be no deficit.

@kitt: I’ll respect combat tested Marine 4 star over service ducking CIC LOL.
DT already realizes hasty pullout is foolish.Most military leaders say ISIS is not decimated.

Trump would be smart to tap Webb who BTW is not always in agreement with Mattis.—-like Trump and Obama he was against the war in Iraq.

Webb, like Mattis, would have the support of the troops

@richard wheeler: Every campaign must have an objective, Stormin Norman in short time obtained his and GTFO. Causing trouble between Russia and the US may just have FUBAR the ability to quickly and efficiently have Mattis get the same type of Victory. He did well, very well.
What is the point of just hanging out? There isnt any common goal in the region.
Who stirred shit up with a country we trusted enough to allow 20% of our uranium production and helped build the Russian silicon Valley? Do you believe for 1 second our Military was happy with those decisions? No one said a word when this went on. https://rense.com/general96/listof.html
General Vallely’s comment:
Absolutely every communist regime on the planet did this as soon as they got in power. I am surprised this communist traitor with his feet up on our furniture in the white house hasn’t done this until now!
read the rest of the comments on the bottom of the extensive list see if you might agree with the old war dogs.

@richard wheeler: But when Obama ignored all military advice, that was OK, because Obama went to Harvard? Trump at least has real world experience. Obama had none; he never had a job, never ran a company, never had a payroll and never had to cover expenses. While there is no substitute for military training and experience, it is disingenuous to criticize Trump’s decisions while giving Obama a pass, especially when Obama’s decisions had such disastrous consequences for the world.

But, that’s liberalism.

@Deplorable Me: I didn’t give Obama a pass–I called him out on his red line blunder.
I’m not a blinded zealot like you and your fellow Trumpists.–open your eyes. Let me know when you think Trump has lied or made a mistake lol

@Richard Wheeler: I think Trump made a mistake telling Schumer and Pelosi he would take responsibility if HE shut down the government. This provided them the incentive they needed to shut the government down, people and border security be damned, just so they could blame Trump for it.

However, it could be Trump was, again, several steps ahead of them. He might have known they would jump at such an opportunity and would shut the government down, then suffer the consequences of public condemnation despite liberal media support for Democrats. I at first thought it was a blunder, but watching public opinion turn against the Democrats and support for border security grow, I am having second thoughts.

Obama’s stupidity towards his generals goes way beyond the stupid red line debacle. You completely gave him a pass on how he fired Gen. Mattis and the overall treatment of the military, including the embarrassment he dealt the Navy over their treatment at the hands of his friends, the Iranians. You think Trump would thank the Iranians for not killing our sailors they illegally took prisoner like Obama and Kerry did? What a black day for America that was. Disgusting.

@Deplorable Me:

First, without Obama there would have been no ISIS.

By the way, that assertion, repeatedly made by Donald Trump, is total horseshit. Why Trump’s followers unquestioningly believe any nonsense that pops out of his mouth is difficult to understand, but nevertheless that’s the way it is.

@Deplorable Me: No Bill—in spite of what you think Trump owns the shut down and when he claims those not getting paid are OK and support his wall–pure BS lying on his part—his stubbornness plays well with right wing Trumpeteers—the 5TH AVE shootists– but not with the 55-60% of Americans that do not support his wall and never will.
The Dems want to open the govt and get people paid—then negotiate—Trump says not until I get my wall—that is not gonna work out for him.
You say Obama never had a job—you wanna rescind that or just act stupid.–hint where did he meet Michelle?

@Richard Wheeler: We have gone down the give us what we want then we will deal road with Reagan and got less than 200 miles of a fence easily climbed.
We wont be lied to again, the ones that are on Trumps side are not all unpaid workers its the BORDER PATROL.. It DHS, yes Trump will not reopen the entire government til he gets the funding. Call it Trumps shut down dont care this is to important to let the Dems think he can be manipulated by old fools in the house.
This is a different cat they have no idea how to skin.

@Greg:

By the way, that assertion, repeatedly made by Donald Trump, is total horseshit.

That FACT has been stated by ME long before Trump came on the scene. Obama turned a small faction into a world wide terror organization. They weren’t even JV before he promoted them to the pros. Possibly Obama’s greatest disaster, and that has some competition.

@Richard Wheeler: No, Trump does not own it. Schumer shut it down by refusing to support the bill from the House that had the funding for the wall in it. Now Pelosi keeps the government closed by refusing to properly fund border security. Trump hasn’t gotten the opportunity to shut down the government; Chuckie and Nancy did it first.

I like leaders that stubbornly stand for the security of Americans. I despise those who play politics while Americans are robbed, raped and murdered by people who should not even be in this country and who Democrats protect and prefer.

The Dems want to open the govt and get people paid—then negotiate—Trump says not until I get my wall—that is not gonna work out for him.

That’s because the Democrats are liars. What’s to negotiate? $5 billion? That’s an insult of a bribe to a Democrat. They don’t care about the money; they want a victory. They want to deny Trump fulfilling a promise. Little matter that the promise is for border security and safety, something Democrats oppose. They just want their little tweek so they can go out and say, “He wanted it and we denied it. Yay, us.” Meanwhile, the nation is insecure along our border.

If the Democrats were honorable and capable of being trusted, we wouldn’t be having this fight. The border would already be secure, because it has been voted for and funded multiple times. But, the Democrats lie. So, it’s fulfill the promise first, then the government gets opened.

Lecturing about communism is not a job. That’s ideology.

@Deplorable Me: Was your comment about BHO not having a job before being POTUS a lie or a mistake by you?

Notice that Kitt agrees with the majority of Americans who believe Trump owns the shutdown

@rich wheeler: OK, technically he had a “job” providing lectures on socialist ideology. In a real-life sense, though it was not a job in which he bore responsibilities to anything other than promoting his ideology.

Not a lie; I’ve never lied. I don’t have to.

Notice that Kitt agrees with the majority of Americans who believe Trump owns the shutdown

Notice I don’t. Until Trump shuts down the government, he isn’t responsible for the shutdown. Simply because he wants security for Americans and Democrats would rather shut the government down rather than provide it doesn’t mean Trump shut it down.

Now, show me where kitt “agrees with the majority of Americans who believe Trump owns the shutdown”. Is that a mistake or a lie? She says she doesn’t care what it is called, she wants border security. In other words, quit screwing around and protect the border and citizens. Show me where she says Trump owns it. Mistake or lie?

@rich wheeler: Keeping the united states safe is the primary function of the federal government, Trump takes his oath a bit more seriously than Nancy and Chuckie.
The items they slip into bills to spend taxpayers dollars are not for Democrat voters. The democrats spend money outside the country to benefit foreign people. The President can and should take the spending bill and read parts of it on National TV. 5 billion for economic development in central America when there are areas inside our borders that could utilize those billions 10 Billion to develop Southern Mexicos economy. The Democrat are inner city schools are crumbling around the kids heads. Along with the speech he should show images of how democrats take care of the peoples tax dollars.
Its time to bring our men home from Syria, or transfer them to an area where they are needed more.

@Deplorable Me: You are strung tighter than a drum Bill.
You have never lied?. lol You mean like Trump?–You’re both nuts.

Obama was a lawyer in a Chicago law firm.

Kitt #24 “Call it Trump’s shutdown.”

Seriously You should spend a little more time reading others posts before posting your never ending comments.

@rich wheeler:You have to lop off part of her remark to make your point? So, not a mistake. A lie. Clear enough.

What cases did Obama take on? He had an attorney’s license (which he subsequently lost). He was a lawyer at a law firm like he was an editor at the Harvard Law Review. He never did anything.
He doesn’t know what work is; he’s had benefactors all his life.

@Deplorable Me: No Trump’s the one who had his dad give him lot’s of dough and buy him a 4f—-he’s also been stiffing people his whole life and cheating on all 3 wives—an habitual liar as well—in other words your kinda guy

I do like Kitt’s depiction of him as “orange face”

@Deplorable Me, #25:

That FACT has been stated by ME long before Trump came on the scene.

It’s not a FACT. It’s an idiotic right-wing political meme. I clearly recall republicans attacking Obama for his reluctance to arm Syrian rebel forces against Assad, when the stated reason for that reluctance was that we couldn’t be certain who we would be arming. I clearly recall republicans attacking him for not responding militarily when Assad “crossed a red line.” I also remember them attacking him for drone strikes that pretty much destroyed the al Qaeda and ISIS leadership structures. Whatever he said or did, republicans reflexively criticized and opposed. They became prognosticators and cheerleaders for failure when the Obama administration was dealing with a disastrous downturn that threatened to leave the national economy in ruins. They yammered mindlessly about flag pins and golf. Anything to gain political traction.

You folks seem to have a lot of oddly convenient memory problems. Trump can do a morning to afternoon 180-degree position reversal, and you don’t even seem to notice. You don’t seem to notice the degree to which he’s facilitating Vladimir Putin’s foreign policy in the Middle East. You can still be made to believe that Mexico is somehow going to pay for his damn wall. It’s hard to believe how gullible his followers are.

@Richard Wheeler:

No Bill—in spite of what you think Trump owns the shut down and when he claims those not getting paid are OK and support his wall–pure BS lying on his part—

Frankly, I don’t care who’s shut down it is. The excess needs to be trimmed anyway. And yes, there are those who will not draw a paycheck next pay day that support the border wall (call it a wall, a barrier, a fence, just finish building it). The are known as Border Patrol Agents.

Of course, in some areas, the private sector is helping those who will not draw a paycheck in January:

“If you are a federal government employee (or member of the Coast Guard), and
• your pay has been impacted by the government shutdown, and
• you are already set up with direct deposit at XXX Bank, then

XXX Bank will honor checks and ACH items that post against your account up to the amount of your normal direct deposit.

Free of Charge.

Don’t use checks? We will provide you with some for free.

For your account to be covered, you must call 512.000-0000 and register before the account goes overdrawn.

There are no fees or overdraft charges associated with this service during the time of the government shutdown. No credit check is required.

Overdraft coverage will only be available if, in connection with the government shutdown, the government fails to pay eligible direct deposit customers. Your overdrawn account will be covered by your direct deposit when your pay resumes.”

Of course, the banks that Obama bailed out are not offering this service. Just locally owned banks that Dodd/Frank tried to destroy and whoreally care about their customers. Wonder if any of the banks in wonderful Loonafornia are doing this.

Of course, we could discuss the blatant lies told by Obama (shovel ready jobs, $2,500/year decrease in health insurance premiums, less than 2% GDP growth the new normal, etc.) but you never want to.

his stubbornness plays well with right wing Trumpeteers—the 5TH AVE shootists– but not with the 55-60% of Americans that do not support his wall and never will.

We know you don’t support the border security proposals. You have admitted to not only hiring illegals to work for you but also that you have never attended the funeral of a friend who was murdered by an illegal. Not only has illegal immigration seemingly not affected you, you seem to have benefited from it. Disgusting.

You rag on Trump because he was not in the military, yet voted for Clinton, Obama and the Socialist Bernie Sanders. I remind you FDR was never in the military, yet set the stage to defeat the greatest threat to the free world ever. If military service is a criteria for POTUS in your book, with your vote you prove what a hypocrite you are.

Hank Johnson (D-Ga), who feared Guam would tip over with too many American military there, recently said this:
“Donald Trump supporters are older, less educated, less prosperous, and they are dying early,” Johnson continued. “Their lifespans are decreasing, and many are dying from alcoholism, drug overdoses, liver disease, or simply a broken heart caused by economic despair.”

My recommendation is that you left wingers continue to disgrace yourselves with your radical talk of “Trumpeteers” and insulting Middle Americans who live in fly-over country, calling them drunks, druggies and other disparaging names (and of course, we know you can smell Trump supporters. Peter Strzok said so, right?). That should really endear the Democratic Party to all those voters in 2020.

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

How do you impeach a president who has won perhaps the greatest election of all time, done nothing wrong (no Collusion with Russia, it was the Dems that Colluded), had the most successful first two years of any president, and is the most popular Republican in party history 93%?

5:16 AM – 4 Jan 2019

@Richard Wheeler:

I do like Kitt’s depiction of him as “orange face”

Never said that, but like your media twist and misquote. Still no concept of NPC. You often quote percentages of those that do not want the wall, how about the percentage that want no illegals to collect a dime in entitlements?

@Richard Wheeler: Again with the no proof. Like you manipulation and mutilation of kitt’s remark, you have a tendency to make things says what you want them to say, not worrying too much about accuracy or truth.

@Greg: No, it’s a pretty well established fact.

Obama should have never established his “red line” when he never intended to uphold it. The damaged national credibility. Of course, Obama just being in charge damaged national credibility.

You sure like to conveniently forget how Putin got established in Syria in the first place. But facing reality is not a liberal strong suit.

@Deplorable Me: The Go Fund me for the wall is over 19million dollars 320,981 people in just 20 days that is at least 10% of the US population ready to pay for the wall out of their own pocket, not all have money to contribute, not all that want the wall trust the fund.
But the liberals dont seem to want to truly justify our young mens life blood spilled in the sands without an end objective. Building a wall that would slow the crossing of opiates that fund ISIS, and kill our people here.

@Deplorable Me:

Obama damaged national credibility? Obama was one of the most trusted and popular leaders globally that the United States has ever had. Trump is popular with our enemies and a major worry to our allies.

@Greg: Yeah, Obama. The red line was just one instance. Fast and Furious certainly damaged it with Mexico, which lost hundreds of citizens murders with his and Holder’s guns. Benghazi probably lost a little faith in the US as well when he and Hillary destroyed their government to give Sid Blumenthal and Hillary some new business opportunities. Yanking the missile shield rug out from under Poland and Czechoslovakia didn’t do our credibility any good, either.

Obama was viewed as a weak pussy by our friends and foes alike. Sure, they want more like him; they get everything they want at no cost to them.

@kitt: I’m not sure what $20 or even 100 million will do, but it sends a strong message that outside of the liberal echo chamber, people who pay the bills are sick and tired of being considered a distant second to illegal immigrants by Democrats. We’ve given our bit as well.

@Deplorable Me: How long before MC & Visa refuse to process payments for the fund? They are leading the finance cartel on silencing conservative methods of expression.
That little idea came from operation choke point.

@kitt: OK –You called him “orange man” #44 Romney thread—means you know more about his body than just his face?-scary thought.
Meanwhile Bill rambles on about Obama never having a job.

@Richard Wheeler: So you are admitting to an intentional misquote, now are twisting it into something really sick. Damn man get help you are disturbed.

@Richard Wheeler: Meanwhile you lied about what kitt said and think the way Obama sacked Gen. Mattis was just A-OK.

You two Trumpeteers deserve each other—whether you call him orange man or orange face–what’s the difference LOL. either way you’re dissing him Kitt and rightfully so. He’s a vain, insecure man who needs a year round orange hue. Boehner’s year round brown looked better

Bill -I never commented on BHO and Mattis but you certainly lied about BHO never having a job—do you think that because DT is an habitual liar you have to be one as well? You don’t need to be like him. Come over from the dark side.

Just because you ducked military service during Viet Nam doesn’t mean you have to continue to copy Trump

@Richard Wheeler: You refuse to comment on the subject then go all hedrophobic. All we can determine from your posts is that you have no reading comprehension.

@Richard Wheeler:

Bill -I never commented on BHO and Mattis

Well, I asked you a couple of times about it and you declined to answer, leaving me to assume your answer was simply too embarrassing, that being that because Obama did it, you were absolutely fine with it. Kind of why it’s important to answer questions.

Trump isn’t a habitual liar, so I can’t answer your question based on a false, ideologically driven misconception.

Just because you ducked military service during Viet Nam doesn’t mean you have to continue to copy Trump

That’s how spoiled brats react to a spanking; lash out with some random false insult.

You know what happens when you assume Bill. Yet you continue to do it.–better buy a saddle

Kitt -you ‘re the one who dissed DT when you called him “orange man”–you also called BHO “gay boy”—why lash out at me?

@Richard Wheeler: reading comprehension, NPC

January 7, 2019 — Bolton contradicts Trump, says Syria withdrawal hinges on safety of Kurds

The United States will pull out of Syria only with assurances Turkey will not attack Kurdish allies there, national security adviser John Bolton told journalists on Sunday, according to reports.

The added condition to the US’ withdrawal of troops from Syria contradicts President Donald Trump’s announcement via Twitter last month that US troops would withdraw from the country “now” as he declared that ISIS had been defeated.

“So our boys, our young women, our men, they’re all coming back and they’re coming back now. We won, and that’s the way we want it,” Trump said in a video posted to Twitter.

I guess we can refer to whichever version of the withdrawal story the occasion of the moment demands.

@Greg: Obama pulled out of Iraq against ALL advice and ISIS ensued. Yet, you defend this. Now you object to Trump pulling out of a country we should NEVER have been in as he lays the groundwork for the mission to be completed by others. It seems you prefer disaster and failure.