Secret Service Doubles Down in Dispute Over Hutchinson Testimony: ‘That Did Not Happen’

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by MATT MARGOLIS

Last month, Cassidy Hutchinson, a former aide to Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows, claimed that President Trump grabbed the steering wheel of the presidential SUV and then lunged at Secret Service agent Robert Engel because he wanted to join the protesters at the Capitol.
 
“The president reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. [Secret Service agent Bobby] Engel grabbed his arm, [and] said, ‘Sir, you need [to] take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing. We’re not going to the Capitol,’” Hutchinson testified. “Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Bobby Engel. When Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he motioned toward his clavicles.”
 
It was such an outlandish claim, and the Jan. 6 Committee clearly hoped it would be the nail in Trump’s political coffin. However, that just wouldn’t be the case. For starters, her testimony was hearsay, based entirely on something she alleges she was told. As we know, her testimony fell apart within hours, with Engel saying that the events Hutchinson described never happened and Ornato denying ever telling Hutchinson the outlandish story. Both said they’d testify under oath to dispute Hutchinson’s story.
 
Nevertheless, many on the left and within the mainstream media continued to cite her claims as a genuine bombshell, damaging to Trump. For example, the New York Times, the so-called paper of record, plastered its entire front page with stories about Hutchinson’s testimony even after it had been debunked.
 
Many on the left still seem to think Hutchinson’s testimony is legitimate and have instead chosen to attack the Secret Service agents for publicly defending Trump — but they are not only holding strong but doubling down on their story, according to a report from The Hill. A source told the outlet that Trump did want to go to the Capitol, and that was not new information, but the claims that Trump lunged for the steering wheel of the presidential vehicle and then at the neck of Secret Service agent Robert Engel are completely false.
 
Ornato and Engel, who are still active in the Secret Service, are willing to testify under oath to dispute Hutchinson’s narrative. The unnamed driver is also reportedly willing to testify to deny her story.
 
“Ornato is a red herring,” the source told The Hill because Ornato wasn’t even present at the time of the alleged incident. “There are three people in that vehicle: Bobby Engel, President Trump and the limo driver,” the source said, and both agents are “saying that did not happen.”

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Looks like we now know madison cornbread perjured herself. The secret service has now confirmed her testimony was a complete lie

Last edited 1 year ago by TrumpWon

Have the parties involved made sworn statements or testified under oath yet? No. Other people just keep claiming that they would do so.

Hutchinson never stated she personally witnessed this. She only reported, under oath, what others told her had happened. The case against Donald Trump doesn’t revolve around that one particular incident. It hardly matters if he lost it in the limo after they refused to drive him to the Capitol. That’s been turned into a distraction from the truly important incriminating facts.

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

The case against Donald Trump doesn’t revolve around that one particular incident. 

You and the commission disagree. Luckily we don’t arrest people on hearsay. Otherwise, we’d be just like crime-inventing Putin and the like.

That’s been turned into a distraction from the truly important incriminating facts.

There are none.

None.

The entire commission is a distraction.

Have the parties involved made sworn statements or testified under oath yet? No. Other people just keep claiming that they would do so.

Have you been in a car wreck recently? Have you suffered a severe head injury? WHY are you so stupid? They are ASKING… BEGGING to testify before this panel. They know they don’t have the Democrat Perjury Shield card provided to anyone that makes statements that promotes the leftist agenda, yet they WANT to testify.

Hutchinson never stated she personally witnessed this. She only reported, under oath, what others told her had happened.

But NO ONE TOLD HER ANY OF THAT. She made it up. ALL of it. And how is something you think you heard “bombshell testimony” that warrants a special hearing? Are you somehow PROUD of looking so stupid?

The case against Donald Trump doesn’t revolve around that one particular incident.

The “case” against Trump doesn’t revolve around anything factual. It revolves around fantasy. There is no “case”.

Poor little Hutchie who didn’t get the job she wanted LIED and she should be in jail, as well as the entire January 6th panel for obstruction of justice in even having her testify.

They are ASKING… BEGGING to testify before this panel. 

No they aren’t. There’s only been a statement that they’re “prepared to do so.” The committee couldn’t prevent them from making, submitting, and publicly releasing sworn statements under penalty of perjury. Maybe they should do that, if they’re so eager to be questioned under oath. It would guarantee they’d be called in.

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

The committee couldn’t prevent them from making, submitting, and publicly releasing sworn statements under penalty of perjury. 

Without the kangaroo klown kommittee calling them and taking their statement, how exactly would you see that working? Why wouldn’t the kommittee question them before their ABC cameras?

28 U.S. Code § 1746 – Unsworn declarations under penalty of per­jury

Wherever, under any law of the United States or under any rule, regulation, order, or requirement made pursuant to law, any matter is required or permitted to be supported, evidenced, established, or proved by the sworn declaration, verification, certificate, statement, oath, or affidavit, in writing of the person making the same (other than a deposition, or an oath of office, or an oath required to be taken before a specified official other than a notary public), such matter may, with like force and effect, be supported, evidenced, established, or proved by the unsworn declaration, certificate, verification, or statement, in writing of such person which is subscribed by him, as true under penalty of perjury, and dated, in substantially the following form…

They don’t need the permission of the January 6 Committee to do that, or to make it public that they’ve done so.

Without the kangaroo klown kommittee calling them and taking their statement, how exactly would you see that working? 

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

(other than a deposition, or an oath of office, or an oath required to be taken before a specified official other than a notary public), 

Dang it. And, as I asked, why wouldn’t the kangaroo klown kommittee question them before cameras?

 The committee couldn’t prevent them from making, submitting, and publicly releasing sworn statements under penalty of perjury.

Yeah, pretend legal eagle; all those SS agents have to do is just walk into the committee hearing and tell Comrade Cheney they are going to testify whether she likes it or not, right?

Judas Priest, you’re the biggest moron I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

Nope. I explained how they could go on record without dealing with the committee at all. They could make their statements public. Of course, lying on such a statement can have negative consequences, so that might pose a problem.

Think they’ll do it? Or will they just keep saying, Yeah, we would if only we could, but the committee won’t let us?

Maybe they’ll say that for a while, and then get a surprise invitation.

Yeah, pretend legal eagle; all those SS agents have to do is

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

Meanwhile, in actual news, the puppet sitting in our WH is giving our oil to China.

Oil from U.S. reserves sent overseas as gasoline prices stay high | Reuters

Arresting Trump won’t allow you to arrest the millions of Americans who now know the truth: Trump was right.

We are under attack from within.

Biden didn’t export US oil to China. The corporate-owned US fossil fuel industry exported oil to China.

Biden was releasing oil from US reserves in an effort to bring our prices down–as the article that you linked says.

Biden exported oil to China.

I’m aware of the government propaganda, and what Biden’s teleprompter “said.”

But the reality?

Biden exported oil to China…who continued to take oil from Russia, during an energy crisis Biden was installed to create.

And in more uplifting news, people are now openly resisting the nefarious plans of the WEF, having destroyed the creepy Georgia Guidestones and scoring a historic win for free people everywhere.

Georgia Guidestones explosion: Authorities are searching for the individuals who set off a blast at a mysterious monument – CNN

Last edited 1 year ago by Nathan Blue

It’s cute that you don’t understand that Biden can control the movement of strategic resources, such as oil, from being exported or not.

We’re feeding China and Europe…because we don’t have a working government.

That’s not propaganda. The President of the United States does not control the US fossil fuel industry. This isn’t Putin’s Russia. If Biden attempted to, invoking some presidential power, the Republican Party would go absolutely insane. They’d be screaming about socialism, or fascism, or some other leftist assault on the sanctity of capitalism and free enterprise. That’s an inviolable part of the GOP’s profile, because that’s what they get paid to do.

Biden exported oil to China…who continued to take oil from Russia, during an energy crisis Biden was installed to create.

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

Drop the anti-GOP rhetoric.

We Americans are against both parties and their corruption.

Biden (his master’s, that is) have control of the US fossil fuel industry, reserves, and can sculpt the world industry as well.

Biden exported oil to China in a time when Americans already think he intentionally made gas prices high.

He said he’d END fossil fuels. He said he was working for a New world order to replace the liberal world order. He told gas stations it was their fault for high prices. He claps with one hand and looks like he’s about to croak at any given moment.

We have no President, and we’re under attack from within. The WEF is using Biden to intentionally destroy our economy.

Biden exported oil to China…who continued to take oil from Russia, during an energy crisis Biden was installed to create.

It’s time for Americans to come together, with their state governments, and decide on how best to expunge the paid traitors we allowed in our federal government, or to abolish the fed all together and reform a fed that matches the Constitution.

That’s not propaganda. The President of the United States does not control the US fossil fuel industry.

Well, actually, scooter, it appears he does. The Bureau of Land Management scarfs up large swaths of land and controls it. Idiot Biden drastically cut the number of productive leases available to producers and exploration in the Gulf. They have threatened financial institutions so they don’t provide capital for new development of infrastructure. They have also regulated numerous refineries out of operation.

Want more? He killed the Keystone pipeline that could be sending Canadian oil to our refineries instead of stupidly depleting our STRATEGIC reserve. Note that trying to prevent corrupt Democrats from being wiped out this November is not a national emergency justifying releasing strategic reserves.

Idiot Biden needs to meet with energy producers and do everything they tell him to do. Stop following AOC’s, Obama’s and Soros’ orders and do what is BEST for this country.

Last edited 1 year ago by Just Plain Bill

Dude it was from our stategic reserves purchased with tax dollars for emergency use. . You just make stuff up so easy to show you are lying.

Last edited 1 year ago by kitt

destroyed the creepy Georgia Guidestones and scoring a historic win for free people everywhere.

Or were destroyed so we cant point to them as evidence, they were indeed creepy.
To maintain a population of 500 million, so the billions must be eliminated but how to you keep the remaining number maintained, not murdered or struck down, who will they choose, they seem to hate everyone.
I dont like what they said, but leave shit alone if it doesnt belong to you.

Yes the article states the oil came from the reserves read it carefully its being sent to europe and asia, this is the energy secretary who is not qualified, laughed at increasing domestic oil production, she should be fired and tried for treason. The reserves they continue to empty at the cost of national security not used for that purpose by order of Biden.

Biden didn’t export US oil to China. The corporate-owned US fossil fuel industry exported oil to China.

You have no idea how shit works, do you? Strategic material doesn’t get exported without approval from the Commerce Department. If we don’t have the refining capacity to refine the oil ourselves, why is this stupid idiot still depleting our STRATEGIC reserves and exporting it to China? If this is against his wishes, why isn’t idiot Biden STOPPING it and prosecuting those involved?

Nope. I explained how they could go on record without dealing with the committee at all. 

And that fell apart. So, these agents have publicly called the kangaroo klown kommittee’s star witness a liar. What is the delay with the kommittee calling these guys before them and proving what despicable liars they really are, publicly embarrassing them, establishing their credibility and prosecuting them for perjury if they lied under oath?

I explained how they could go on record without dealing with the committee at all. They could make their statements public. Of course, lying on such a statement can have negative consequences, so that might pose a problem.

Once again, you prove just how little you know about the law. Making a public statement is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT testimony to a judicial authority. And if you can be held for lying to the press, and the public, Joe Biden should spend the rest of his pathetic life in Fort Leavenworth making small rocks out of big ones.

You also seem to not know the difference between testimony and a deposition. A deposition can be taken without swearing an oath of truthfulness. But…….you saw something on some leftwing site (like LawFare) that referred to 28 U.S. Code and you think you are Lawrence Tribe or some other Constitutional law professor.

You are, and will remain, an idiot, Comrade Greggie.

Last edited 1 year ago by retire05

Read it again. It’s written in plain English:

28 U.S. Code § 1746 – Unsworn declarations under penalty of per­jury

Wherever, under any law of the United States or under any rule, regulation, order, or requirement made pursuant to law, any matter is required or permitted to be supported, evidenced, established, or proved by the sworn declaration, verification, certificate, statement, oath, or affidavit, in writing of the person making the same (other than a deposition, or an oath of office, or an oath required to be taken before a specified official other than a notary public), such matter may, with like force and effect, be supported, evidenced, established, or proved by the unsworn declaration, certificate, verification, or statement, in writing of such person which is subscribed by him, as true under penalty of perjury, and dated, in substantially the following form…

They don’t need the permission of the January 6 Committee to do that, or to make such a statement public.

Alternatively, they could make, complete, submit to the committee, and publish sworn affidavits. Nobody is stopping them—except maybe their lawyers.

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

other than a deposition

It would behoove them to do this with the klown kangaroo kommittee (kkk) because otherwise they won’t accept it as valid anyway. But, the point is already been clearly made; the kkk promoted a massive lie. They KNEW it was a massive lie. The last thing they want is for these officers to be testifying before their kkk, especially before cameras.

They lied, they got caught. There’s nothing else to be said about it.

They have yet to provide any evidence of an effort to overthrow the government

We’ll see, if criminal indictments follow.

We’ll see, if criminal indictments follow.

Speaking of criminals and indictments, why won’t Yellen let Republicans have the 150 Suspicious Activity Reports on Hunter and James Biden? See, that’s REAL stuff. Yours is all PLAY-LIKE stuff.

Why is Yellen protecting Hunter’s and James’ criminal activity?

They can’t, at least not legally.

Any “indictments” are an explicit act of insurrection against the United States, and will be dealt with accordingly.

Putin jails his legal, democratic opposition on made-up charges.

Apparently, Democrats in America do that now, too.

Any attempt to “arrest” Trump is an attack on our nation.

Total waste of time

Comrade Greggie, are you making the claim that the Secret Service agents could issue a statement, make the claim that the statement is true and factual, submit it to the J6 Stasi committee and that the J6 Stasi would have to allow it and enter it into the record?

Yep. If they released it publicly and submitted it, the committee would have to acknowledge they’d done so—otherwise they’d get ripped apart in the media. They’d probably have to call them in to give sworn testimony—which is what these guys supposedly want to do in the first place.

Seems odd that they aren’t taking that obvious step. Since they aren’t, I very much doubt they really want give anybody sworn testimony. They just want to claim they’re willing, so Trump’s media outlets can use the claim as if it actually meant something.

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

They just want to claim they’re willing, so Trump’s media outlets can use the claim as if it actually meant something.

Trump has no “media outlets.”

He’s a duly elected President who defied the world order by slipping through the installation of Hillary Clinton, and the establishment has released a pandemic, rigged an election, and staged a false flag to shut down democracy in America.

For statements like that, *ROTFLMAO* was originally created. What the do you think you’re presently posting in???

Planet Trump’s far-reaching media apparatus is a web of interconnected social media outlets where the Truth is whatever people are told to believe. People carry their connections to it around in their pockets. They’re plugged into that, instead of into traditional sources. They only fact-check by going to another part of that system. Anything outside of it is anathema, and not to be considered.

Trump has no “media outlets.”

Trump should be peeling potatoes in the kitchen of a state or federal prison. I wish Georgia luck with their efforts to make that happen.

Trump should be peeling potatoes in the kitchen of a state or federal prison.

What should happen to idiot Biden for selling SPR oil to an adversary? What should happen to idiot Biden for colluding with son Hunter to cover up their joint China business ventures? What should happen to Hunter for lying on a federal background check to buy a firearm?

You also forgot to answer, what has idiot Biden done to benefit the nation and citizens? Also, why is Yellen protecting Hunter’s and James’ criminal activity?

Last edited 1 year ago by Just Plain Bill

That is an interesting comment as retire05 has stated that it was likely that gregs Vietnam tenure was as a potato peeler.

I suspect greg is guilty of stolen valor.

I suspect greg is guilty of stolen valor.

Ya think?

Ad hominem attacks don’t count for much, either.

False equivalency matters little to thoughtful, informed persons, who only weigh real things in the balance.

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

False equivalency matters little to thoughtful, informed persons, who only weigh real things in the balance.

The only false equivalency is getting you to compare REAL crimes and corruption to the made up bullshit you accuse Trump of. It appears you endorse and celebrate crime and corruption when your party is engaging in it.

Cheer up. Bob Mueller won’t be there for you next time.

Trump in 2024? Bet on It!

Last edited 1 year ago by Mully

Yep. If they released it publicly and submitted it, the committee would have to acknowledge they’d done so—otherwise they’d get ripped apart in the media.

Really? WHY would they? The won’t even call in Ray Epps. They won’t investigate why the National Guard wasn’t deployed. They won’t investigate the two killings at the hands of Capital Police. They won’t question the FBI on how many FBI assets they had there and what they did. They edit out Trump telling people at his rally to “peacefully go make your voices heard”, not inciting violence. Hell, they aren’t even organized in accordance with their charter, with derelict drunk Pelosi choosing all the members instead of having anyone around that would ask such questions. Why would they, all of a sudden, decide to allow evidence contrary to their predetermined narrative?

The longer the kkk goes without calling and questioning these officers ON CAMERA, the more the kkk itself confirms their bias and total lack of credibility and respectability.

Yep. If they released it publicly and submitted it, the committee would have to acknowledge they’d done so—

You mean like how the committee has acknowledged testimony that doesn’t suit their agenda that has already been given and they refuse to share with other Congressional members? That kind of acknowledgement? No, dimwit, the committee doesn’t even have to acknowledge the issue, if they don’t want to.

otherwise they’d get ripped apart in the media.

Oh, yes, because we all know how antagonistic toward the J6 committee the press is.

They’d probably have to call them in to give sworn testimony—which is what these guys supposedly want to do in the first place.

Oh, my, you do seem to feel the need to show just how damn stupid and uninformed you really are, don’t you? The Secret Service agents in question have already testified and once sworn in, it is not necessary to swear them in again. All the committee needs to do is recall them. But Comrade Cheney is never, NEVER going to do that.

Seems odd that they aren’t taking that obvious step. Since they aren’t, I very much doubt they really want give anybody sworn testimony. They just want to claim they’re willing, so Trump’s media outlets can use the claim as if it actually meant something.

Care to share the names of the media outlets that are pro-Trump?

Here’s the thing; you, and the rest of your leftwing Commie gang, are the ones keeping Trump in the forefront of the news. As long as you keep railing on him, he’ll stay at the top of the page. But then, I do understand since we now have the most criminal administration in our nation’s history soiling the White House.

What “testimony” are you referring to? That which Trump’s Big Lie enablers REFUSE TO GIVE, in spite of being subpoenaed to do so?

You mean like how the committee has acknowledged testimony that doesn’t suit their agenda…

It boils down to this, if it’s anti-Trump, you believe it. You are this site’s Jussie Smollett.

As of June 30, the Secret Service hasn’t officially denied Hutchinson’s account, nor have the named individuals done so.

Many on the left still seem to think Hutchinson’s testimony is legitimate and have instead chosen to attack the Secret Service agents for publicly defending Trump — but they are not only holding strong but doubling down on their story, according to a report from The Hill.

They simply desperately and pathetically cling to whatever straw they are provide because they know Trump cannot be defeated in a fair election.

That these agents are willing to testify is all fine and good, but we still don’t know the answer to the question as to why the Jan. 6 Committee even allowed Hutchinson’s testimony in the first place. 

Oh, come on. Really?

Congress is wasting time on j6. There is no evidence that any acts of insurrection occurred on that day. On the contrary, biden has committed treason by releasing millions of barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserves to foreign countries and most egregious, 950K barrels to a company that his degenerate son is involved with.