Fiona Hill (and Dems) ignore the serious evidence of Ukrainian 2016 meddling

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In her testimony before the House impeachment inquiry, Fiona Hill, formerly of the National Security Council, took great pride in telling lawmakers she was a nonpartisan intelligence professional. She then labored mightily in service of a Democratic political narrative.

Specifically, Hill conflated two separate theories of Ukrainian collusion in the 2016 election. One of these is discredited, the other is quite viable. Hill helped the Democrats suggest that they have both been debunked.



Hill is too smart not to have grasped the effect of her testimony. This is exactly the kind of cynicism that fuels concerns about the unaccountable “deep state.”

To be sure, President Trump is largely to blame for propagating the discredited Ukraine theory. It holds that, somehow, it was Ukraine, rather than Russia, that interfered in the 2016 election by cyber-espionage against Democratic email accounts.

This is such a loopy theory, it defies clear explanation. Suffice it to say that it involves suspicions that a hacked DNC server is hidden in Ukraine. Perhaps, the speculation runs, it was Ukrainian operatives, not Russian ones, who were the culprits.

It is a fringe theory. No one who has closely followed the collusion caper puts any stock in it. Regrettably, the president is a hospitable audience for frivolous theories that cast doubt on Russia’s culpability, which he wrongly fears casts doubt on his legitimacy.

In his July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump appears to have pressed this theory about the server. He wanted Kiev to look into it, even though it is the consensus of American intelligence agencies that Moscow was behind the cyber hijinks.

In her testimony, Hill observed that Russia, which she rightly regards as our strategic rival, is delighted by the promotion of this debunked server theory. Anything that could undermine ties between Washington and Kiev promotes Moscow’s interest — putting in doubt our support for a former Soviet captive state that revanchist Russia has under siege.

Fair enough, but Hill generally framed this debunked idea as the “theory of Ukraine’s interference in the 2016 election” — as if it were the only theory of Ukrainian collusion. A Democratic questioner stressed, and Hill emphatically agreed, that “there is no basis for these allegations.”

The problem, of course, is that there is a second theory of Ukrainian collusion in the 2016 election.

The second theory has nothing to do with Russia. It is supported by significant evidence. It includes public professions of support for Clinton and opposition to Trump by Ukrainian officials. It includes acknowledgments by Ukrainian investigators that their Obama administration counterparts encouraged them to investigate Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

Bolstering this theory is the fact that Ukrainian officials leaked information damaging to Manafort (a ledger of payments, possibly fabricated) that forced Manafort’s ouster from the Trump campaign, triggering waves of negative publicity for the campaign.

A Ukrainian court, in late 2018, concluded that two Ukrainian officials meddled in the election. And in 2018 House testimony, Nellie Ohr — who worked for Fusion GPS, the Clinton campaign opposition research firm that produced the lurid and discredited Steele dossier — conceded that a pro-Clinton Ukrainian legislator was a Fusion informant.

When Republicans and most Trump supporters refer to evidence of Ukrainian collusion in the 2016 election, it is this collusion theory that they are speaking about. This theory is in no way mutually exclusive with the finding that Russia hacked the DNC accounts — it has nothing to do with the hacking.

There is nothing illogical in believing both that Russia hacked the Democrats and that Ukraine supported the Democrats.

Hill’s testimony aimed at obfuscating this viable theory of Ukrainian collusion, implying that it had been debunked and that to consider it is to lend aid and comfort to Russia, notwithstanding that many people who credit the Ukrainian collusion theory are more reliably hawkish on Russia than Democrats have been over the last 30 years — I included.

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To be sure, President Trump is largely to blame for propagating the discredited Ukraine theory. It holds that, somehow, it was Ukraine, rather than Russia, that interfered in the 2016 election by cyber-espionage against Democratic email accounts.

I think it is the left themselves that promotes this theory. They try to discredit the FACT that Ukraine interfered to support Hillary by inferring that supposedly excludes the possibility the Russians meddled.

No, they both did. AND they both supported Hillary.

CrowdStrike is based in Ukraine. Perhaps the server is not in Ukraine (why would it even still exist?) but it’s not absurd to suspect Ukrainians are involved in the lie that Russia hacked the DNC server.

Again, this would not render Russian interference null and void; Obama practically INVITED them to meddle. The DNC dealt with them both to dredge up whatever they could.

Fiona Hill (and Dems) ignore the serious evidence of Ukrainian 2016 meddling

Oh yeah? What “serious evidence” are they referring to? The Ukrainian meddling tale was promoted by Manafort, and may have actually originated with Russian intelligence. Conspiracy theorists latched onto it immediately.

@Greg: Actually it originated with the DNC. They shopped around to numerous government trying to find SOMETHING to bolster that worthless garbage they were running for President. Now the facts of the lying and altering documents to support the investigations of Trump and Trump associates is beginning to trickle in, prelude to the eventual flood.

@kitt: I wonder what the British spies had to fear from Nunes?

@Greg: Really the story came out of Politico, we already knew of the others and there are most likely more.
Just so we are straight with you
Climate changes
The earth is a ball
Russia messed about on the internet during the election.
Donald Trump is the President they are still spying on him
Hillary needs a good bath with lye soap.
David Petraeus was framed by a weaponized system

@Deplorable Me:

: I wonder what the British spies had to fear from Nunes?

They knew what they did to Poppa D, the Queen knows, Jeffery Epstein would still be free giving plane rides if DT lost.

This is insane stupidity, working for the sole benefit of Putin. You are all participating in Russian Oligarchs’ corruption of our democratic elections. You are traitors and idiots.