Climate scientists admit they were wrong on climate change effects

This whole Global Warming/Climate Change is a big big lie a UN Trojan Horse to bring about World Goverment under the Useless Nations that means we can take that yapping little french poodle and feed him to a rotwiler

They will go with the big bucks of grant money. Its money drying up this could break the back of the progressive religion, They may return to over-population.
Basically they stated we havent a friggen clue how to screw you out of more money but give us a chance.

@Greg: Unlike the previous administration and the left, Trump doesn’t suppress stories. It is better to discuss them in the light of day.

Nothing refutes the failed predictions, suppressed facts and manipulated data that leads to such reports. Perpetual liars cannot be taken seriously.

Wow!!!

Greggie is pointing the finger at climate change (formerly known as global warming) because it is hot in Texas in July.

Who would have anticipated that?

@kitt, #8:

There’s actually very little doubt in the legitimate scientific community about the relationship between increasing atmospheric CO2 levels and global warming. The doubt that exists outside the scientific community isn’t a result of the application of scientific methodology; it’s the result of a well funded public relations campaign.

This is part of an exchange between Senator Jeff Merkley and William Wehrum, Trump’s new choice to head the EPA. If it seems like he knows nothing about the central issues the EPA deals with, it’s because he doesn’t. He’s an attorney, not a scientist. He’s no more qualified to run the EPA than a shoe salesman. He can’t seem to understand NASA graphs that are simple enough for a bright 6th grade science student to grasp. Like Pruitt, he was chosen to monkey wrench a regulatory agency, not to fulfill its designated mission.

The Trump administration is turning into a disaster across more fronts than most of us can even begin to keep up with. We’re looking at the possibility of simultaneous geopolitical, economic, environmental, and social train wrecks. The man doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing.

@Greg: In a recent speech at the University of Chicago, James Anderson — a professor of atmospheric chemistry at Harvard University — warned that climate change is drastically pushing Earth back to the Eocene Epoch from 33 million BCE, when there was no ice on either pole.
Holey crap batman they taxed the dinosaurs into mass extinction!

@retire05: Bastids are cray-cray In 1991 an enviromental advisor to the UN
“But in designating these dangers as the enemy we fall into the trap which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
So should we fire up the ol nazi ovens, whos first, something tells me Al Gore wont be first in line to save the planet. This ideology began with the Nazis but you are adept enough in history to already know that.

@Greg: It was in the low 50s here last night. I guess on the average, the world temperatures are normal.

@kitt: Notice the high temperatures are either taken in the middle of the city or at airports. Just wondering if black asphalt has anything to do with high temperatures?

@Randy: @kitt: They should put Mueller on the case. He’ll find that global warming!

@Randy, #17:

Notice the high temperatures are either taken in the middle of the city or at airports. Just wondering if black asphalt has anything to do with high temperatures?

Such local environmental factors are taken into account and allowed for to minimize any errors they might introduce when the data is compiled. The deniers don’t tell you that, do they?

@Greg: Taxing carbon would be valuable if anyone can prove that carbon dioxide causes climate change. No one has done that. So, taxing carbon is just another way to take money out of tax payer’s pockets!

November 23, 2018 — Federal climate change report paints grim picture for Midwest

Rising temperatures in the Midwest are projected to be the largest contributing factor to declines in U.S. agricultural productivity, with extreme heat wilting crops and posing a threat to livestock, according to a sweeping federal report on climate change released Friday.

Midwest farmers will be increasingly challenged by warmer, wetter and more humid conditions from climate change, which also will lead to greater incidence of crop disease and more pests and will diminish the quality of stored grain. During the growing season, temperatures are projected to climb more in the Midwest than in any other region of the U.S., the report says.

Without technological advances in agriculture, the onslaught of high-rainfall events and higher temperatures could reduce the Midwest agricultural economy to levels last seen during the economic downturn for farmers in the 1980s.

Overall, yields from major U.S crops are expected to fall, the reports says. To adapt to the rising temperatures, substantial investments will be required, which will in turn will hurt farmers’ bottom lines.

These are some of the findings of the report released by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The 1,600-page report — vetted by 13 government agencies and written collectively with the help of 300 scientists — is perhaps the most authoritative and comprehensive statement on the risks of climate change, which has contributed to extreme weather that has cost the U.S. nearly $400 billion since 2015, the authors found…

June 14, 2019 — White House physicist sought aid of rightwing thinktank to challenge climate science

A member of the Trump administration’s National Security Council has sought help from advisers of a conservative thinktank to challenge the reality of a human-induced climate crisis, a trove of his emails show.

William Happer, a physicist appointed by the White House to counter the federal government’s own climate science, reached out to the Heartland Institute, one of the most prominent groups to dispute that burning fossil fuels is causing dangerous global heating, in March.

In the messages, part of a group of emails obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, Happer and the Heartland adviser Hal Doiron discuss Happer’s scientific arguments in a paper attempting to knock down the concept of climate emergency, as well as ideas to make the work “more useful to a wider readership”. Happer writes he had already discussed the work with another Heartland adviser, Thomas Wysmuller.

The emails from 2018 and 2019, received by the Environmental Defense Fund and provided to the Associated Press, also show Happer’s dismay that Jim Bridenstine, the Nasa administrator, had come round to accepting the science of climate breakdown.

In May 2018, an exchange between Happer and Heartland’s Wysmuller called Bridenstine’s change of heart “a puzzle” and copied in the Nasa administrator to urge him to “systematically sidestep” established science on temperature increases and sea level rise that the duo call “nonsense”.

This was followed by a February 2019 email in which Happer relays a complaint to James Morhard, Nasa’s deputy administrator, about climate crisis information on the space agency’s website. “I’m concerned that many children are being indoctrinated by this bad science,” said the email that Happer forwarded.

Happer has argued that carbon dioxide emissions actually benefit the planet rather than drive harmful climate disruption, once claiming that carbon dioxide has been demonized much like “the poor Jews under Hitler”.

Seriously? Yeah, he actually said that. The man is a 24 karat gold-plated loon. Which, of course, is no barrier to finding a place in this administration.

The physicist was previously a leader and co-founder of an advocacy group called the CO2 Coalition that received money from far-right organizations and fossil fuel interests such as the Mercer Family Foundation and the Charles Koch Institute.

Earlier this year the Trump administration launched an NSC initiative in which a panel would challenge the well-established findings of the government’s own agencies, including Nasa, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), as well as international climate scientists, that human activity is causing the planet to dangerously heat up.

The Trump administration has recently ramped up its efforts to muzzle its own scientists from acknowledging the reality of the climate crisis. Last month, the White House barred a state department official from giving written testimony to Congress that the climate emergency was “possibly catastrophic”. The testimony of the official, Rod Schoonover, was critiqued by Happer but the state department refused his suggestions to remove references to harm caused by global heating.

“These people are endangering all of us by promoting anti-science in service of fossil fuel interests over the American interests,” Michael Mann, a Pennsylvania State University climate scientist, told the AP.

The following, by the way, is deceptive, to the point of being a lie.

We were wrong — worst effects of climate change can be avoided, say experts

I don’t think most people actually have a sound grasp of the what the predictions of climate scientists actually are, because it has been much easier for those denying the science to set up and then knock down straw men. We seem to have become a society so focused on the short term that we can hardly think 20 or 30 years ahead. All manner of negative environmental changes related to human activity are taking place already, right in front of our noses.

@Greg: They have been talking this shit since we were in school dude we waited the 20 years and glaciers havent covered Canada and the Northern states, I also am not planting orange trees.Frost warning still til the end of may here just like when I was a kid.
So the government is going to fix it on my dime given to a technocrat? The countries that are polluting the shit out of the planet they get to slide for 20 years…scam scam scam.

@Randy: I was a believer. Then there was East Anglia. So, I started paying attention and reading and discovered that it is a massive scam, just one of the various left wing attempts to take over the world’s economy for redistribution and the enrichment of those pushing the scam.

I see the proponents of the scam getting more and more desperate and shrill as the evidence mounts that it is all a massive con. The time is approaching that it will be impossible to make their climate change case because the rest of their predictions have crashed and burned.

If they had a real scientific case, they wouldn’t have to lie.

Here is a good explanation of why few take the Climate change warning serious. The public is not a ignorant as those trying to con them!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/why-we-do-nothing-to-prepare-for-climate-change-larry-kummer-editor/

@retire05: We just came to calm him after AOC frightened him https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/8/climate-change-bring-25-holocausts-and-other-stupi/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation
We just dont know if this is dry humor. Greg does have the intelligence of sea sponge.
😉

@Greg: How about the Sweeds going to market based health care cause the socialist model failed. How about a story about the protests in France another model the Dems want to follow.
Communist light doesnt work when you get non contributing violent refugees crammed down your throat to support.

@Greg: Geeze I wonder how many democrat run states I could point out failing pension funds….um……double digits https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-state-pension-funding-ratios/
Only one state – Wisconsin – has a fully funded pension. Lets see if Evers will keep it that way.

@Greg: Changing the subject again when you lose the argument!

@Greg: So the protests in France was about the environment and you started about underpaid teachers and police. That is not changing subject? I am glad you understand that 39 comes before 40. You do get something right once in a while.

@retire05, #46:

And that is relevant to the subject of this thread how?

How are your entirely predictable personal attacks relevant to the topic of any thread where they appear?

Personal attacks are admittedly at least half of Donald Trump’s mindless blather. I suppose that’s a big part of the attraction for some people.

June 20, 2019 — Chennai water crisis in India leaves millions reliant on filthy wells and expensive trucked-in supply

New Delhi — Millions of people in the South Indian city of Chennai, the country’s sixth largest metropolis, are facing an acute water shortage as the main reservoirs have dried up after a poor monsoon season. Some schools in the city have cut working hours and dozens of hotels and some restaurants have reportedly shut down due to the shortage.

The city of more than 4.5 million has been left to rely on wells and water brought in by truck. Thousands of wells dug across the city are leading to a rapid drop in the ground water level, and raising even further the concerns of environmentalists.

New wells are being dug as deep as 1,000 feet. Much of the water they produce isn’t even fit to drink.

“We have been facing this for the past two months,” Aditya Manoharan, a student in Chennai, told CBS News. “The bore well water is so dirty that it’s yellow in color. We can’t drink it.”
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“The water table in Chennai is seriously compromised,” ecologist and biodiversity expert Dr. Jayashree Vencatesan told CBS News. “There is rampant extraction through bore wells in south Chennai. There are no guidelines; things are in a mess.”

Vencatesan has studied 200 years worth of data on Chennai’s monsoon seasons. She told CBS News the data analysis by herself and other researchers at the Care Earth Trust show a marked change around nine years ago; while the overall amount of rain has remained roughly the same, the number of days with rainfall have reduced drastically. In other words, more days with severe downpours and less steady, sustained rainfall. That leads to more quick runoff and less flowing in a controlled way into reservoirs.

“This may be a case of climate change,” she said.

Climate scientists have warned that the increase in average global temperatures appears to be causing earlier melting of Arctic ice, which can have a broad impact on the Earth’s climate over the course of a year — bringing exactly the kind of dramatic changes in weather patterns that the data from India reflect.

While this year’s monsoon will likely bring relief in the autumn, environmentalists believe there needs to be a long-term water conservation plan to avoid such crises in the future — not just in Chennai but across India.

“Water needs to be treated as a highly limited resource,” Vencatesan said. “There is a gap between government policy and the implementation.”

An alarming report last year by the Indian government’s own research institute, NITI Aayog, warned that 21 Indian cities, including New Delhi, Chennai, Bengaluru, and Hyderabad, would run out of groundwater by 2020.

The report also said 40% of India’s 1.34 billion people would have no access to drinking water by 2030. More than 600 million Indians are facing “acute water shortage” already, according to the report.