Worst. President. Ever…
and a liar:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyaDVuWw-g8[/youtube] (h/t Gateway Pundit)
Of course it took Fox News to call him out on the lie.
The rest of the media?
Kinda like this spin:
Take a look at these headlines:
The President’s Jobless Recovery
Frustrated Job Seekers Cause Jobless Rate To Drop
Economy Adds Few New Jobs
Low Jobless Rate Reflects Lost Hope
US Jobless Rate Drops But For Wrong Reasons
Recent headlines regarding the drop in the unemployment rate from 9% to 8.6% right?
Those are headlines from January 2004, when the jobless rate dropped to 5.7% and when President Bush was just starting a re-election campaign.
Here are headlines from Friday’s job numbers:
Unemployment Rate Drops To 8.6% Raising Hopes
Jobless Rate Drop Could Boost Obama
Obama Gets Economic Indicator He Can Crow About
Good News On Job Front For Obama
Jobless Rate Lowest In 2.5 Years
No liberal bias my ass.
When isn’t he lying?
hint: his mouth isn’t moving.
@John: Yeah… but then he’s Thinking about lying!
Obama is, one. small. minded. prick. Period. Can I say that?
That’s a fact, Jack.
Obama was referring specifically to last week’s Senate vote on the proposal that would have extended the payroll tax cut and paid for it by levying a 3.5 percent surtax on taxable income in excess of $1 million per year.
All Senate Republicans except for Maine’s Senator Susan Collins voted against passage.
I believe that all Senate republicans but one qualifies as a “virtually unanimous” vote against the payroll tax cut.
This is precisely what Obama has characterized it as: A refusal to extend tax cuts to a majority of American workers by people who are protecting historically low tax rates for the wealthiest. In effect. they’re robbing the middle and working classes to benefit the rich.
If you don’t believe that’s what is happening, maybe you’ll reconsider when your take-home pay suddenly drops next month.
FOX, as usual, is totally full of it.
@Greg, gosh I hope being a whipping post is your favored position. Because the payroll tax extension vote that the Zero was referring to was S1931, the Temporary Tax Holiday and Government Reduction Act.
This is all the Congressional action on that recently introduced bill from Thomas.
The vote results of that 20 yea/78 nay were linked from Curt’s Most Wanted post from Gateway Pundit above, had you been intellectually curious enough to read, and corresponds to the Senate Congressional records… out of all members in the Senate, only 20 voted to advance the bill for debate/vote/passage… every one of them Republicans.
Sixty Senators… every Dem – all 51 of them – and the remaining 27 Republicans voted *not* to advance the bill.
I have no idea what bill your Maine newspaper link is talking about, since they don’t link any bill number. And apparently research is optional to their staffers. But it sure ain’t about the payroll tax extension, as the Congressional records clearly show.
Obama is lying, and evidently whatever saliva dribbles from his mouth is golden nuggets of truth to you. For shame.
BTW, Greg.. here’s what Obama is speaking of… Senate bill 1917, Middle Class Tax Cut Act of 2011 which failed totally on party vote. Not even Olympia Snowe sided with the Dems on that one, so that pretty much puts the kabash on your Maine newspaper link. That bill put a tax increase on individuals (or flow thru businesses) that GROSS (not net, GROSS) $1 mil.
BOTH bills were voted on the same day – Dec 1st.
Naturally, Obama doesn’t want to mention the other bill as it would be oh so inconvenient to his “do nothing Congress” campaign ploy, wouldn’t it?
But I will concede that Obama did not lie about S 1917, but he did lie about all Republicans rejecting the payroll tax holiday as an issue… as the other bill clearly indicates there’s more to the story and legislation than he’s willing to say in public. I’d say that classifies as a lie by omission.- a skill at which Obama excels.
ADDED: Correction, while the numbers appeared to be total party line, the specifics of the vote show that turncoat Snowe *did* vote with the Dems, while WV’s Democrat, Joe Manchin III, crossed the aisle to vote with the Republicans. My apologies to the Maine article writer. None to Obama for his lies of omission.
“Dog bites man,” is not news.
“Man bites dog,” is.
“Obama tells a lie,” is not news.
“Obama tells the truth,” is.
Today Obama (we were told) was anxious to dump on Republicans again.
TV news was all standing by for the 1:30 briefing that his handlers set up so he could attack Republicans….again.
So, what happened at 1:30?
Veteran White House reporter Keith Koffler lets us know how it felt to be there:
We elected a man who admitted smoking grass habitually and admitted snorting coke whenever he could.
No wonder he is always late and needs a teleprompter to tell him what he thinks.
Those things do stuff to your brain cells.
This Administration promised “Hope and Change” and to “fundamentally transform” America, and they’re doing it through lies and deception. Next year, we need an administration to be elected that will change everything back to the way it was. Hopefully we’ll all be partying like it’s 1980 all over again.
Poor, poor Greg.
Any bets as to whether Greg will mea culpa and admit he was wrong?
I didn’t think so.
@ Greg, #4:
In exactly what world is this fair? The primary people Obama wants to target are those that pay no income taxes. Many not only pay no income taxes, but get earned income tax credit. So the left can no longer find a way to redistribute wealth through income taxes, they want the rich to pay for their social security benefits. Heaven forbid that people take some, any responsibility for their own retirement. Absolutely incredible they way you think.
GREG REPRESENT ALL THOSE LYING DEMOCRATS, FOLLOWING A LYING PRESIDENT,
AND TO THINK THAT HIS MEDIA, ARE FOCUSING ON THE CANDIDATES AND ATTACKING THEM ,
BY LYING TO THE PUBLIC, MAKING UP STORY TO DESTROY THE REPUTATION OF THE CANDIDATES, IS SO HORRIBLE, WHEN YOU SEE HOW MUCH THEY COVER THE LIES OF A LEADER OF SUCH A BEAUTIFUL AMERICA,
THEY WONT STOP UNTIL THEY COMPLETELY FINISH THEIR AGENDA TO DESTROY THIS NATION OF GOODWILL AMERICANS
Did you think about S. 1917, which MataHarley linked in Post #6, and consider the vote count? This was what the Bangor Daily News article that I cited in Post #4 referred to.
As she graciously acknowledged that Obama wasn’t lying at least in the narrow context of that one particular bill and vote, I’m compelled to concede that his statement totally ignored the fact that there were other payroll cut extension proposals last week that a significant number of republican senators did in fact vote in favor of.
In my opinion, Obama’s comment was simply an example of what all politicians do when making speeches: They focus exclusively on those facts that support their record and positions, and don’t mention or play down the facts that don’t.
If we’re going to brand politicians as liars for doing nothing more than that, I guess we’re going to have to brand every single one of them. I prefer to save the word for those who habitually and deliberately make statements that are demonstrably contrary to the indisputable facts of the case–not just contrary to opinion.
What do you call someone who supports the lies of a politician? Liar comes to mind.
And I congratulate you on your even handed review of the dueling payroll bills, Greg.
But unfortunately, we are going to have to brand pretty much all politicians as liar… both sides of the party. Which is why it’s rather absurd to place yourself as a devotee in a politician’s camp instead of out here, fighting with your fellow citizens. Not the least example of which is giving the fox the keys to the hen house by allowing them to decide what is economic “justice” and “equality”.
As we’ve seen with their penchant for insider trading and the financial benefits, there is one justice for elected ones, and another for citizens. Also their policies attempting to “control” and “regulate” generally result in a free pass… ala bailing out failed banks, housing policies they demanded of the GSEs, etc.
Oddly enough, both conservatives and liberals are highly enraged about the bank bailouts. And if more liberals understood the increasing power of the GSEs in housing over the past 2.5 decades, they’d share that anger as well. Instead of teaming up to limit the power of those doing things with which we both disagree, we’ve got a firefight going on as to how much MORE power to give to these elected idiots.
It’s foolhardy to place the power of moral judgement of fiscal “fairness” into the hands of those so overtly corrupt.
As far as the payroll debate. Everyone agrees it needs to be paid for. Because what is not being taken in via payroll taxes to feed the Congressional piggy bank – the SS Trust Fund – they are absconding from general funds.
So the Dems want to impose a 3.5% tax increase on those make $1 mil gross… not the same as “taxable income”, which is the impression you are under. The bill that 20 GOP voted to advance while 51 Dems and 27 GOP voted NOT to advance was sponsored by NV’s Dean Heller. The summary is below:
I’m not sure any anyone with liberal inclinations can read this and say that there are no solutions offered, cuts made, or increased taxes suggested. As far as I can see, many (if not most) of these are a viable way to pay go the payroll reductions.
And what in that list bothers you?
Expect he didn’t lie.
Here are the vote results:http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00219#position
1 republican voted to extend the tax cuts for the middle class. 1.
@maximilian, you’re late to the party, and slow on the mental upload of data.
See comments #5, #6 and #15. More than one bill. I’ll ask you the same question I asked Greg… what in Senate Bill 1931 do you find objectionable?
And would you also agree that increasing taxes on the $1 million *gross* (not net, taxable income) on individuals and small business does not constitute “a millionaire”?
Obama did not lie on the vote for S1917. He lied by omission… by not letting those as uncurious as you know that there was more than one bill about the payroll tax extension voted on that same day.
@Greg: You said:
Sincere congratulations, Greg. You surprised me and went up a few notches in my estimation.
When Obama (and his White House dot gov) site started throwing their countdown clock up I wondered which Payroll Tax Cut Bill Obama was counting down about.
Well, it is the AJA that Obama proposed in September.
Remember how he went all over repeating the ”Pass this Bill,” Pass this Bill NOW!” mantra?
Neither Republicans NOR Democrats voted for that turkey!
It was 1/2 continuing the Bush tax cuts and —-lest we forget — 1/2 stimulus spending on Obama’s familiar shopping list: “infrastructure spending,”; “additional funding to protect the jobs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters”; “creating additional regulations on businesses who discriminate against hiring those who are long-term unemployed.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jobs_Act)
Now who else remembers way back when Obama, himself, was for ending ALL of the Bush tax cuts?
Is it just me?
He was pressured mightily before he agreed to sign the 1st extension of them.
Now he pretends he was the mover and shaker while Republicans (or Congress) are the ones all for taxing the poor.
Who listens to Obama anymore?
But I read what he had to say.
He said this on Monday, Dec 5th:
What $Trillion in cuts????
I know Obama keeps going on and on about ”fairness” (whatever you want it to mean, it does…..sort of like that other empty ”hope and change” mantra) but even he knows the 1% cannot pay even with all their wealth for the equalizing of the 99%.
Our country’s progressive income tax system is not very adaptable to financing an expansive safety net.
Even the Left’s favorite economist (Paul Krugman) explains that all consumers (the 99% included) would need to pay a pretty high VAT to really enable American government to have enough wealth to redistribute to the poor.
In Europe VATs are in the double digits.
Of course Europeans are on the edge of completely losing their incentive to bother to work at all.
Good time to use Europe as a model….NOT!
If Liberal News Commentator Andrea Mitchell is any indicator, Obama is going to hate this!
Obama’s been calling for bipartisanship on Capitol Hill so Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) united to oppose Obama’s extension of the 2011 Patroll Tax Holiday!
Democrat Manchin complained that Obama was looking to the “next election,” when he ought to concern himself with the “next generation.”
Nan G, Kirk is one of the freshman Republicans elected in the midterms. He’s still pretty new, but voting record so far shows him to be moderate conservative that is thoughtful on fiscal issues, and conservative on foreign policy.
WV’s Manchin is the guy I mentioned above that traded places with predictable turncoat, Olympia Snowe, on the S1917 bill that Obama used to misinform the public on the payroll tax debate in Congress. Both of them also rejected S1931 as well.
What both of these guys have in common is there is *no* compromise they will make to extend the payroll tax holiday. None. They don’t want it extended… period. Both believe there is no way to realistically fund it because the SS Trust Fund and the general revenue are both in the red already.
I understand the reasoning, being that these payroll taxes first feed the SS Trust Fund… aka the Congressional piggy bank. And if they are not going to collect them from employers, Congress has it laid out that they are going to abscond them from the general fund to deposit in the Trust Fund.
Of course, the irony is they then steal it right back from the piggy bank, and replace it with an IOU, then redeposit it back in the general fund.. but this time with interest that will be due when they have to borrow to pay back the IOU.
Then again, they had to borrow to take it out of the general fund already… This means borrowing/interest to feed the piggy bank one way, then double it when they steal from the piggy bank and have borrowing/interest when they have to cash in the IOU to pay out SS benefits.
I doubt that either party has figured that the amount of cuts need to include all the back/forth interest/borrowing required to pull off this idiotic shell game.
???? Is this anyway to run a business, or government?
I have to say, the stupidity of funding the payroll tax extensions in this method isn’t something I support either. But then, I’m a “cut spending for the tax cuts” kind of girl.
Fact is, neither party will agree HOW to fund the theft from general funds – in order to feed the trust fund piggy bank – and the ensuing theft FROM the piggy bank. Dems only want to increase taxes on fake “millionaires” (gross income is not the same as taxable net income).
The GOP has several adjustments in there, including more stringent threshholds on who gets welfare bennies. Can’t say as I disagree with that, and I’m still waiting for the resident FA lib/progs to tell me what bothers them about the GOP proposal that Obama decided to ignore.
Even at that, it’s obvious that the bulk of both parties will not be budging until after Nov 2012, so all this is nothing but building up campaign accusations and fodder. Just another political dog and pony show.
All in all, I think arguing over the payroll tax extension is like using a volleyball in a football game… the wrong tool for the wrong job. Why? Because of the way the money travels via this psuedo “funding” of the cut.
Since neither party is going to back down for political campaign reasons, I say let it expire. The attempts are on record as how each party attempted to “fund” it. But it’s simply not worth the battle because we’ll end up paying double the money in interest on borrowing/interest anyway.
It’s simply a fiscal shell game that is, IMHO, overrated in import. About the only thing valuable about the debate is watching what dumb methods both parties try to float when they are rearranging the shells.
Obama tried to take the high ground yesterday.
He claimed it would be “politics,” if Republicans tied the Keystone XL Pipeline, which promises to employ more than 10,000 workers and decrease gasoline prices in the United States, to a bill that otherwise only extends the payroll tax cuts.
I’ll let him put his own foot in his mouth:
Bryan Preston over at PJMedia adds:
@anticsrocks: I agree Greg really stuck it out there on this one. His Kool Aid % in his blood must be dangerously low for him to admit 0-bama was just playing politics. I’m sure he will refresh soon!!