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If Obama wins, Osama and his Al Qaeda pals will smell the fear and weakness, and they’ll give it another try.
Iraqis are no dummies. They have suffered a lot with Saddam Hussein and all the terrorists. Now, they appreciate American way of living. They enjoy democracy, freedom and rights. They want to make sure that their country is strong enough before the U.S. leaves. They know that if Obama wins, he will leave them on their own. The terrorists would come running right back to destroy all those great efforts and achievements. Obama has to lose this election for the sake of the whole wide world.
How can you understand a region of the world you only visited once for two days? I guess that is a nonsensical question.
OBAMA MANSION’S, SADDAM’S MONEY
Daniel Pipes
October 29, 2008
“Barack Obama appears to have personally benefited from funds originating in Saddam Hussein’s regime. It’s a complicated connection, but one that deserves the consideration of Americans voters.”
Read the rest:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5996
From what Ali and Mohammed are saying about Turkey, I’m guessing they are Kurds. The tribal Kurds have been getting a raw deal in the Middle-East for centuries.
Craig: There is certainly more to the Rezko story. Sadly, none of it will come out until AFTER the election and by then it will be too late.
And who should be surprised that Arabs are helping Obama. After all, with a middle name like HUSSEIN, it’s only natural he would get Arab support.
And, we’ve already seen the stories of terrorist lovers in Gaza making phone calls to the U.S. to urge a vote for the big O.
Wouldn’t it be kind of creepy to get one of those calls???
You are right, Mike. How many more skeletons in Obama’s closet will it take for the Obamatrons to open their eyes?
Terrorists did very badly under Bush administration, and it would be the same with McCain.
“I have failed to liberate Iraq, and transform its society into an Islamic society.”
Moqtada al-Sadr (March 20.2008)
HERE IS A DOCUMENT concerning the Surge in Iraq, produced by the Al Qaeda organization, that was intercept by the Americain Army:
“There were almost 600 fighters in our sector before the tribes changed course 360 degrees . . . Many of our fighters quit and some of them joined the deserters . . . As a result of that the number of fighters dropped down to 20 or less. We were mistreated, cheated and betrayed by some of our brothers who used to be part of the Jihadi movement. We lost cities and afterward, villages… We find ourselves in a wasteland desert.
The Islamic State of Iraq [al-Qaeda] is faced with an extraordinary crisis, especially in al-Anbar province. Al-Qaeda’s expulsion from Anbar created weakness and psychological defeat. This also created panic, fear and the unwillingness to fight. The morale of the fighters went down and they wanted to be transferred to administrative positions rather than be fighters. There was a total collapse in the security structure of the organisation.”
Uh…Rocky? Kurds already ARE in Turkey. In small neighborhoods, but they’re there.
You guys just HAVE to watch this. Just hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nligvgv3Rfw
Mike,
It already is a state.
Hmm, no surprise there. Why expect the Iraqis, who Obama was perfectly willing to abandon to genocide two years ago, to support him?
My dish rag seems to understand the reality of the situation so much better than Obama.
You owe me a new keyboard.
(AP) — The Bush administration’s hopes for sealing a security deal with Iraq while in office are fading as Iraqis demand changes to a draft text that some U.S. officials consider unacceptable.
“The window for any kind of discussions, negotiations is rapidly coming to a close,” State Department spokesman Robert Wood said Thursday.
Wood said officials continue to review the Iraqi proposal for changes, but he repeated the administration’s insistence that the existing draft is a “good text.”
U.S. spokesmen insist that an agreement governing American troops in Iraq is still possible by the end of the year. At the same time, administration officials are troubled by the proposed Iraqi amendments to a text U.S. negotiators had thought was complete. Those amendments include broader Iraqi jurisdiction over U.S. forces and the elimination of a clause that would let them stay after a tentative 2011 deadline.
Even if compromises can be found on those issues, there is still no guarantee that the Iraqi parliament will approve the so-called Status of Forces Agreement. Failure to bridge the gaps would leave two options: Extend the U.N. mandate beyond its Dec. 31 expiration date or suspend all U.S. operations in Iraq.
I know they are there Leah, I didn’t say they weren’t. I spent time in Turkey. My point was the Kurds always seemed to get a raw deal because IMHO they do. Of all the people in Iraq, they have the most valid reasons for fearing both Iraqis and Turks. Especially those along the Iraq/Turkey border, as they were often attacked by both sides. Turks fly over bombing their villages and Saddam Hussein used them for chemical warfare test subjects. Many mass burial sites we found when we went in were in the Kurdish tribal areas. Kurds have a tendancy to distrust outsiders because they have a history of being preyed upon. The Kurds are technologically-challenged and viewed as a Middle-East verison of “hill-billies”. Nomadic Kurdish tribesmen still use flintlocks and single shot rifles to protect themselves. In his book, “The Ark Of Noah”, David Fasold supplied excellent insight on the Kurdish tribess he encountered while roaming the Ararat mountain ranges of Turkey and Iraq in his search.
After the Liberation of Iraq War, both the Shiites and the Sunnis tried to block Kurds from having a voice in the government. That was why Biden suggested the country be divided into three seperate states. Segregation was a really dumb idea. As bad as it was the last century for America with Southern Democrats suggesting, “Seperate But Equal” concepts as a solution to the Civil Rights movement. As soon as American forces would have been drawn out, Turks, Sunnis, and Shiites would have moved their forces against the Kurds to eliminate them and take their land.
The Kurds are better off when they can mingle with the general populous and disappear into crowds. Not with a country of their own which would be a frequent target for extinction or taken over to be used as hiding places by terrorist factions. After the War, Shiite and Sunni factions were quick to get to work drafting a new Constitution excluding the Kurds. America should be lauded for holding firm that democracy in a future Iraq should have equal government three-party representation to encourage co-operative efforts and “crossing the aisle” to get measures passed.
I know about the Kurds and how they are the “hillbillies” of Turkey – I lived there, Rocky. But don’t take this as me trying to disprove you, because you’re completely right. Perhaps it was the way I was taught or because I was mainly in the crowds of Turks, but I never looked at a Kurd sympathetically before. One of them approached me – I’ll never forget it; it was a few years back when I went to visit there, and I could not understand a single word he was saying. He didn’t look like he belonged in the “normal” society of other Turks. I see what you’re saying perfectly clear.
What were you in Turkey for?
Suggesting segregation of Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds just goes to show you the backward and erroneous way that Biden thinks.
Leah;
I was there in support of OPERATION: NORTHERN WATCH. And also had the opportunity to go into town from time to time. So we are on the same wavelength.
(AP)–Iraq wants to eliminate any chance U.S. forces will stay here after 2011 under a proposed security pact and to expand Iraqi legal jurisdiction over U.S. troops until then, a close ally of the prime minister said Thursday.
Those demands, which were presented to U.S. officials this week, could derail the deal — delivering a diplomatic blow to Washington in the final weeks of the Bush administration.
…
“The Iraqi side wants to remove any mention of a possible extension of U.S. troops, fearing that the existing clause might be subject to misinterpretation or could bear different interpretation,” he told The Associated Press.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq;_ylt=AjAks77dHUbjeF9W8xwAPNRvaA8F
Also, Maliki stated yesterday:
“We don’t call it a security pact but an agreement to withdraw the troops and organize their activities during the period of their presence in Iraq.”
Also, Gen. Odierno, stated yesterday, “there is a 20 percent to 30 percent chance” the US and Iraq will reach an agreement.
Jan: Is there a reason why you keep cutting and pasting that same report?
Mike, Jan’s got a job to do. I’m impressed that they are worrying about FA. You guys are on the Obama map.
Missy: I suspect as much too. Thus far she is demonstrating the same level of intellectual ability as the average ACORN employee.
Funny how they don’t respond when someone finally posts to them. I picture a bunch of zombies, posting messages that may or may not have a hint of something to do with the topic, but everything to do with discouraging Obama’s opposition. Hopefully, this one just moves along.
They’re like coackroaches… If you see one, you know there are more lurking nearby. All we can do is SPRAY, SPRAY and SPRAY some more.
What a load of crap. Three guys want McShame to win, and the headline of the story is “Iraqis for McCain”? More like “Three Iraqis for McCain” What besides these three guys is the headline based on? The grasping for something, anything around here is hilarious.
You mean the words that spilled right out from between your Hugh Jass? Exactly right.
Kathleen Parker also wrote a column last March entitled “Iraqis for McCain.” In the column she tells of an Iraqi reporter she had met and corresponded with for a number of months, Mayada al-Askari and this is what Parker write that the Iraqi reporter had to say:
“Today she insists that Iraqis who are not Baathist hope that McCain wins the election for one simple reason: “The man knows the job that has to be done in Iraq. If the U.S. pulls out of Iraq now or anytime soon, then that will mean one thing: al-Qaeda won the war.”
She points out that for the first time since Iraq’s monarchy was toppled in 1958, the country has a parliament, a free press, jobs, a true identity “and a better understanding toward where the country should be heading.”
The sectarian divide, meanwhile, is an artificial schism created by al-Qaeda and other non-Iraqis, she says. Many Iraqis are like Mayada, a Sunni, who have married across sectarian lines.
Says Mayada: “When you ask the young people of Iraq — what are you, a Sunni or a Shiite? — the ready answer is: I am an Iraqi.”
There may be a way to safely withdraw troops sometime in the near future, but as McCain insisted in his Wednesday speech to the World Affairs Council in Los Angeles, premature departure would be “an unconscionable act of betrayal,” as well as a political gamble with stakes too high to consider.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/Kathleen Parker/2008/03/28/iraqis-for-mccain
So, selective anecdotes from three Iraqis who “support” McCain and two who support Obama adds up to “Iraqis for McCain” in your mind? Is this the kind of intellectual rigor that represents today’s American right, or what?
@ben: Why not, Ben? After all, a single soldier voicing support for Obama is empirical evidence that the military has swung away from Republicans, right?
Troika: Good point but you forgot one thing…. Dems are free to rewrite the rules whenever it suits them.
One story of a soldier praising Obama can be trumpeted across the country and minutes later one story where Iraqis praise McCain can be dismissed.
It all goes back to the meaning of the word “is.”
So Iraqi support Mccain cause of Turkey and Iranian military strength, they are idiots, there is nothing to worry about Iran and Turkey. What Iraqis have to worry about is their economy . national resilience and national national security, even national defence stem from strong economic fundamental … not from insignificant Mccain … 🙂
Brandon;
You’re are obviously ill informed, or someone has spiked your kool-aid. Don’t hurt yourself making blanket statements about subjects you know nothing about and are not factually based.
Iran still holds a grudge against Iraq for the 1980-1988 Iran/Iraq War. Perhaps that slipped your mind. The Iran Shia’s constantly send insurgents into Iraq. They wanted Iraq to become solely a Shite Nation. Saddam was backed by the Bath Party Sunnis. And like I said above neither the Shites nor the Sunnis like the Kurds very much, nor do the Turks. Our Democrats demands to pull out our forces cause a lot of fear amongst the Iraqi people. Had we done so, their struggling new Democracy would have fallen apart or soon have been at the mercy of invading forces from neighboring countries Iran, Turkey, or Syria. Invasion and their current security strengths are the largest current threats to their national security. In the Middle-East any destabilization or weakness of fellow nations encourages others to try to take them over. Turkey may be an ally of ours, but they are no different. They would rather take Iraq over for themselves than let it fall to another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War
Their economy is the least of their concerns. The people are now seeing benefits from oil sales that formerly only went to make Saddam’s dictatorship more powerful and oppressive and kept his people in poverty.
An Obama presidency concerns them. Especially after his recent visit when he tried to talk their Prime Minister into stalling any troop pullout agreements until after the election as it would have been better for Obama’s campaign. That BHO holds his own political future more important than his own country’s best interests gives Iraqis the message he can’t be trusted. They don’t trust Obama, why do so many of you Dems?
McCain at least understands how a strong military security works. Iraqis would certainly sleep better with him in charge.
Letter to Christopher Hitchens:
Excellent letter Wordsmith.
I’ll just repeat these two parts:
and
Wordsmith:
Ayad Rahim is not an Iraqi friend of Christopher Hitchens. He is an American citizen who lives in Cleveland and hosts a radio talk show. Hitchens has appeared on this show.
He was born in London and lived for six years in Baghdad until his family moved to the USA in 1970 and settled in Cleveland.
The only time he spent in Iraq as an adult was for three months in 2004.
sandor: Does that make the SLIGHTEST difference?
I’ll just repeat this part again… nothing to do with Iraq:
Thanks for the background info on Rahim, sandormatyo.