**UPDATE 06/08/08**
New info here.
**END UPDATE**
Larry Johnson with a new update on the “whitey” tape….take it for what its worth:
But all tell the same story–there is a tape of Michelle Obama appearing at a conference with Louis Farrakhan had she says some very disparaging things about white people.
My sources tell me the Republicans who have the tape are hanging on to it and do not (I REPEAT FOR YOU OBAMA CLOWNS) DO NOT want it released now. They want to use it against Barky in the fall. They fear that releasing it now will kill Obama’s political support and open the door for Hillary. The tape, I am told, appears to have been made in June 2004. It was not part of a pulpit service at Trinity. It was a conference. I am waiting for confirmation of the specific conference.
And now we have Beckel and Fund claiming a tape exists and is coming out tomorrow. Would be nice but I don’t know. What I do know for a fact is that the folks who control the tape want to keep it on ice until after the Democratic convention in Denver. Whether they will achieve this is outside my knowledge.
If it does exist then hopefully it does stay hidden until after Denver. It may well sway those who have yet to be swayed by these types associated with Obama…not all…but some. There will always be the starry eyed nimrods who follow the crowd to the next messiah, even if he has grown up around some of the most racist men steeped in the Black Theology culture.
UPDATE
HillBuzz has the scoop. Apparently it occured sometime between June 26th and July 1st in 2005 at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference Women’s Event In Chicago. She appeared with Mrs. Khadijah Farrakhan and Mrs. James Meeks. There were other panels in the conference including one with Bill Clinton and Bill Crosby:
For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on “whitey”, and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that’s when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone who’s seen this.
HillBuzz found a picture that have may have been taken during the event. It was printed in JET Magazine in July 2004:
CAPTION: Picture 11, Rev. Willie T. Barrow, chairman emerita, Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, enjoys the Women’s Luncheon with Michelle Obama, wife of U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama of Illinois and executive director of community affairs, University of Chicago Hospital, Shoshana Johnson, the nation’s first Black female POW and former Iraqi captive, and Mrs. Jamell Meeks, wife of the Rev. James Meeks, vice president, Rainbow/PUSH, and Rev. Dr. Barbara King, Mother Khadijah Farrakhan, wife of Nation of Islam leader Minister Louis Farrakhan, and Judge Arnette Hubbard
And they wonder what has happened to our MSM. Why haven’t they done their own investigating on the rumors? Do we have to ask:
When a rumor about a tape of Michelle Obama ranting and raving at Trinity first hit the blogs, we wondered if there was any truth to it. So, we just used Google to try as best we could to piece together her public schedule for the last few years, cross referencing that with the other clues that started coming out about what Michelle supposedly said, and who was with her when she said it. We just looked for times she was in Chicago before the national media would have been paying any attention to her (so, basically, everything prior to Barack Obama’s speech at the DNC Convention in 2004: logic dictates she would be less inclined to rant and rave in public after she and her husband had a national profile). The break came when it was noted on the blogs that Michelle made her remarks with Mrs. Farrakhan at a panel discussion at Trinity. Having that, another Google search turned up the Jet magazine article, a trip to the Library to check out the microfiche of that issue got the photo of Michelle and the other panelists (with all their names), a Google search of those names all together got the schedule of events for the 2004 Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference, and that schedule ultimately led to the rest.
When the MSM is in the tank for a candidate they don’t mess around. Once in the tank there is no going back and there is no way they will do anything to derail the chosen one now.
Just like The Burning Six episode, or the Bush National Guard letters, or any of the dozens of other stories broken by blogs, when they have no desire to show an opposing viewpoint, or they want to bring someone down while they prop someone up….cough Kerry cough…they will do what is necessary. If that includes ignoring potentially damaging material. Thats what they will do.
UPDATE
Looks like this is the event in question but I’m curious, like some of the commentors are, how no one noticed this video if it has been on sale at Trinity for awhile:
Rainbow/PUSH Coalition & Citizenship Education Fund Annual Conference
“2004: A YEAR OF CRITICAL CHOICES FOR INCLUSION AND GROWTH”
Schedule of Events*Saturday, June 26, 2004
12:00p.m ~ 2:00p.m.
SHERATON BALLROOM 1-7Womans Luncheon
M.C.’s: Cheryl Burton and Karen Jordan, ABC 7
Keynote Speaker: Reverend Jesse L. Jackson, Sr.
Special Guests:
Shoshana Johnson, Retired United States Military
Michelle Obama, University of Chicago
See author page
*yawn*
Larry Johnson is as full of shit on this as he has been on everything else he’s said.
Please keep me informed on the “Whitey” Tape. Also Obama association with Farrakan . Nation of Islam. Thank yoo. WP
The story they are now pushing doesn’t seem to make any sense. They are now saying she was a panelists, but was able to rant for 30 minutes. Ignoring that aspect the schedule of the Rainbow/Push Coalition event never has her as a speaker or a panelist, but only a special guest. In fact none of the three women discussed appear as speakers or panelists at the event.
Schedule Here: http://web.archive.org/web/20040811233750/corona.tpsgi.com/rpc/Conference_Schedule.htm
“M.C.’s: Cheryl Burton and Karen Jordan, ABC 7”
“Keynote Speaker: Reverend Jesse L. Jackson, Sr.”
Either you’re 5 years old and wearing a super hero cape or you should be able to figure out on your own that a panel MC’ed by a news reporter, a tape of which has been on sale for 4 years, contains something outrageous or it doesn’t.
ps. Is Karl Rove still indicted ?
That thick idiot had multiple independent sources for that single-source BS rumor too.
If it’s supposedly sold on Trinity’s website, wouldn’t multiple people have it? How can this NOT be out already if it’s available to the public?
So, I’m to believe that Michelle Obama went on a “whitey” rant at a conference attended by Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and Howard Dean during the heat of the 2004 presidential conference. It didn’t come up at all while Obama campaigned for Kerry in ’04? Not even during the convention?
As other commenters point out… the video then went for sale on the Trinity website… and was even posted on the web… but no one noticed other than the “mystery owner” of the tape?
I dunno… not too believable.
Does anyone remember the Paul McCartney is dead nonsense, with the clues in the songs, that hit everybody in 1969? I was in college and it seems like yesterday. Oh wait, that was the Obama tape. Oh well, six of one…
If it’s supposedly sold on Trinity’s website, wouldn’t multiple people have it? How can this NOT be out already if it’s available to the public?
I’m thinking about selling bogus copies on ebay!
The average White uninterested undecided voter does not have the slightest clue about the level of hatred that the black underclass has for them. IF this tape exists, it might not have much of an impact.
Consider the source. This has all the hallmarks of the famous ‘Clinton loses it during deposition’ non-scandal scandal.
Finding black supremacists running for president is fun (and SCARY too)but finding New World Order Illuminati puppet masters is more fun(and MORE SCARY). Requires higher IQ though.
you ahve to wonder if its a little to convenient. they get the conservatives all hot for the “tape”. and everyone speculates about what is on it, and what her menaing could be. the conservatives could be playing into their hands so to speak, could be their answer to operation chaos.
Read Obama’s books. You may then understand how this could be true. My problem with him from the beginning has been an seemingly underlying hatred of whites. His white mother more or less abandoned him, he refers in his book to his white grandparents that raised him, as those white folks. It has amazed me the support he has had from the white community, it is obvious none of them have read his books.
It is not hard to believe that the white hating Obamas went on such a rant. It fits right
in with the America hating liberal democrats.
I took these comments from the HillaryClintonsupportersforJohnMcCain website. Ed who handles the website received information on the “Whitey” tape recently. He heard 2 minutes of this DVD over the phone. The person told him that it would be released in November and not before.
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User Name Juju from California
Comments I will not vote for Obama under any circumstance. It doesn’t matter if Hillary is on the ticket. I’m voting for McCain.
Since Obama always says McCain-Bush, I think we should all refer to Obama as Obama/Wright/Pfleger/Rezko.
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Please allow me to explain why this person will not release the DVD before the date as they have stated. one example is Doug Wilder, former governor of Va or WV, I cannot remember, said on more than one occasion,”If Obama does not get the nomination, then all blacks will consider it stole from Obama, and the riots of 1968 will be nothing compared to those of 2008″.
More than just this leader has made those statements. The person that has the DVD is afraid to release it before the date they have set. They do not want to be the person that started the riots. This person feels that all the thugs are waiting on is a reason to start and destroy this country. The reason I was told and allowed to hear it, was because I could tell everyone it exist and that Obama will not be the president, that was the reason I was given. I understand this person position and I respect them. I cannot and will not violate their trust in me. Even if this mean Hillary is not our nominee, I cannot help it. Thanks for your time and understanding – Ed
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User Name NO Obama (FL)
Comments Ed, can you tell us more or less what was said?
Do you trust the person you heard it from and is there a way you can talk this person into releasing it or letting you record it?
And who is this person? Not a name if you can’t say but are they like a republican high offical or what? Thanks so much!
Yes, I trust this person very much. This person is not a “Republican”, in fact I don’t know what their political stand is. Also this is not a White person. I will not release this person name and prehaps I have said too much now. This person sent me a email asking me to call them. They said the reason they wanted me to know was that this web site has had almost a 1 million in less than a week. I was very surpirsed and honored that they choose me to talk to you. I will try and get them to release the DVD before the convention. I will use everything that God gave me to get this job done. I am a Texan and we don’t give up. ED
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User Name NO Obama
Comments Ed, have you actually heard the whitey tapes?
Yes, I heard about 2 minutes of her ranting at Bill Clinton and Hillary over the phone. Ed
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User Name Chris
Comments Are the “whitie” tapes video ?
Yes, it is a DVD, I only heard the audio part, they would not send me a sample. I understand that it is over 30 minutes long some of it had been edited. From what I was told, this will make every white American angry. What she thinks of the white America is disgusting. – Ed
WELL SEEMS PRETTY ODD THERES A PIC WTIH ALL THE SKANKS IN IT.. IS THIS A JOKE? THIS BOZO MORON MUSLIM IS A NATIONAL JOKE. GET THIS YO-YO AND HIS SKANK GHETTO WIFE OFF THE STAGE, WE ARE SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THEIR ASSISINE STUNTS AND NOW THE CRY BABY HAS A WEBSITE TO DEFEND HIS OWN IDIOTCY… GODDAMN IM SO SICK OF THE OBAMAS….
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF OBAMA IS SOME KIND OF JOKE? IS HE IN THE FAIRYTALE, THIS PIGGY WENT TO THE MARKET AND WENT WAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA ALL THE WAY HOME? HE WHINES AND HE WHINES AND HE WHINES.. MY GOD, WOULD SOMEONE TELL HIM TO PULL UP HIS BIG BOY PANTS AND START ACTING LIKE AN ADULT ?? IM TELLING YOU, HE IS WORSE THEN BUSH COULD EVER DREAM ABOUT BEING.. HES A F-ING MORON.. THE WHINING IS UNREAL… I CAN NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE, PLEASE SOMEONE TELL THE MORON THE SIDESHOW IS OVER, GET TO WORK, DO SOMETHING, EVEN IF ITS WRONG.. DEBATE MCCAIN AND STOP WHINING, WE REALLY CANT WAIT TO SEE MCCAIN SLAM DUNK HIM.. THIS IS TOO FUNNY. THEN YOU GOT THIS SKANK ASS WIFE CRYING ABOUT WHITEYYYYYYYYYYYY……. IS THERE NOTHING THOSE TWO BOZOS DONT WHINE ABOUT?
I am a democrat but this year will NOT be voting for Obama. I just do not trust him, his politics or his character in any regard. Now more than ever as i watch him change positions on everything from guns, to the war in iraq to public fundraising, to wiretapping/spying….
I am interested in this michelle obama whitely tape? IS IT OUT THERE?
is it for real? when will it be released? i know i sound like a trader to my party, but i need to know this man will be brought down and have no chance of being elected…
Hi, I knew from the beginning that Obama and his wife both hated whites before hearing anything further. How could a man be half white and half black, and only think of himself as a black? Wake up America, don’t you see who you will be putting in the White House? Learn and eduate yourself more about this white hater before you just blindly vote for this man. Thank you!
Always nice to start the day with a hater and the morning coffee.
Thanks Sue!
I believe that the Michelle Obama tape exists and that both unidentified liberals and conservatives have seen and heard that tape. Conservatives will use it in September or October and the liberals are hoping that it will not diminish Obama’s poll numbers and that the conservatives are just sabre waving.
I believe that the tape exists because Michelle has been placed in time and location at the event that the ranting and raving has occured. Photos and schedule of speakers prove this point. The content of her college thesis adds to the belief that she could have said these remarks. The remarks occured prior to her husbands rise in the political arena. The remarks occured in a location that would have been most conducive to her ranting and raving. The lack of an adamant denial by her husband that these remarks had been said by her. The immediate appearance of a website by Barack Obama campaign to stop the smear of Michelle Obama. Evidently, a paltry attempt to diminish the effect of the eventual release of the tape. The limited exposure of Michelle in the media since the release of the tape rumor as opposed to her very apparent media exposure prior to the rumor. Why ?
The polls show Obama slightly ahead and it appears that some Republican analysts are not very concerned. Maybe they are fully aware of the “October suprise”.
Odds favor the existence of the tape. Time will tell all.
I’ve really looked into this, including archive URLs of Trinity using the “Wayback” engine. Interestingly, all the links for Trinity in this time period are dead, leading to the present-day welcome screen! By contrast, links to earlier dates such as 2001 open into the correct historical archive page.
OK, so it is plausible that Ms. Obama ripped into Pres. Clinton during this tirade…since he was a US President, the event must have been crawling with secret service agents!! Wouldn’t THEY have made a note of Ms. Obama if she was so strident in her criticism of Pres. Clinton? I have to wonder what the secret service memo file looks like for that event!!
Chuck,
I dug out some stuff from them a few months ago, and some of it was pretty interresting, but I dropped it because others were doing a much more thorough job than I was. One thing I noticed was that the URL’s weren’t consistent, like dates might appear one week as 07-06-03, and the next as July13-03. (That’s just an illustration, not an actual URL).
Basically, though, the Wayback machine is often useless, since anyone can ask them to suppress, or erase, the contents. I wish I was able to dig out all the garbage that used to be on EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM WEBSITE. If I could, it would clearly prove they were all in on it. I saw it, and was toying with the idea of documenting it. Then, after 9/11 nearly all of it was erased, including what was on the Wayback. – Talk about missed opportunities. (I wonder if anyone else has that?)
do you think that thers is more proof somewhere of the michelle obama whitey tape coming out after the convention—and now the dems are hoping to elect clinton as the nominee-because obama is about to be DEMOLISHED!!! i personally think there is some dirt truly lurking out there about obama and the dems know they have pushed and backed the wrong guy for their party. they want it to all look correct at the convention so there wont be race riots…but in all honeslty i think since many primaries occured before the rev wright disaster…there are superdelegates that would like to recast their vote-and they have the option at the convention.
I suspect it was part of Hillary’s campaign to say the Republicans had a tape. There was a lot of that going on with her campaign including saying Obama was a Muslim. Now you know where that rumor really came from. Lots of people claimed to have UFOs and various monsters, but it doesn’t make it true even though people still want to believe.
I think the Obamas are very self conscious and or self centered. They are slow to respond to issues, but quick to respond to attacks on them. I feel it took the Obama campaign to come up with a 1 minute speech about the Georgia-Russia issue than it took the campain to make a 40 page rebuttal on a book that is selling well but will probably not change that many votes (it’s preaching to the choir).
Let us not forget … that in addition to statements like ‘America is a mean country’ … and, ‘this is the first time in my adult life that I’m proud to be an American’ … Michelle Obama also made the decision to expose her children for years, to Jeremiah Wright, Pfleiger, Moss, Farrakhan, and the rest of the radical anti-American racists at the black liberation Trinity Church of Chicago. Is this who we want for America’s first lady … I don’t think so !!!
Yes, it exists, and the clock is ticking on its release.
SOON–BE PATIENT—CAN NOT SAY “WHEN”
Wow…I can’t believe you people are still waiting for the “tape”.
Tell ya what..I’ll sell you my bridge..in Brooklyn.
Selling a bridge you do not own—-how unique of a statement. I never heard that before. You are as original as Obama.
when is this tape being released/?? sooner than you think—IF——
…we know michelle obama is a closet racist, now the rest need to see it out full blown.
the repubs want her ranting and words still in everyones ears when people go to vote. i also heard the repubs are trying to win without having to use it…and if they are ahead they wont. But they have a 50,80, 100 theme about the electoral college/and releasing the tape. if they feel 100% safe- they dont need it. If they feel they are 80% safe they might…and if they only feel a 50/50 chance of defeating Obama, they are going to let it fly. they just realize we all have to live together when the elections are over-and considering whats on the tape–there might be alot of pain left behind from its fallout. however, rest assured it wil be out there soon-of needed.
I have heard these themes before when in the company of the nicest Black Liberals. They are angry and deserve to be angry, but instead of turning their anger on the ones who so damaged the black family and or the ones who hold them hostage in the liberal bubble; they blame jug-eared but harmless, Bush.
Michael Obama is a hardcore black liberal. There should be plenty of this material lying around.
you are right…there was probably TONS of this kind of material out there….and i do bet the repubs were smart enough to gather it up before the election started. well —be on the lookout-
i predict some interesting stuff on the obamas to be released this week…possibly even starting tomorrow, oct 27th….
finally a true vetting….and a true view of senator obama and the (gd forbid) first lady….UUGGH
Is that Larry Johnson guy from No Quarter to be believed? He says McCain has decided not to use the tape, the implication being that McCain is too honorable. What a shame if this is true!
it wont be mccain that releases it…he will not be the one…so he is still honorable. it is not mccain who found it to begin with…
release the tape immediately as we the people have a right to know everything there is to know before electing an unknown person of questionable character to the Highest Office in the Land. America is more in tuned this election than ever before. The media is in the tank for Obama and he, Obama refuses to answers questions about himself. Which is why it’s so important that we the people know who and what we are voting for.
So it’s election eve I guess you’ll be releasing the tape any minute now.
Bunch of dreamers
Looks like the tape is as nonexistent as McCains victory. Sorry charlie !
Can’t wait to hear Rush’s first show after the inaugration
America held hostage, day number 1 !!
who needs a whitey tape when obama sunk his own ship with the audio of him saying he will bankrupt the coal industry,-the man is on record talking about having middle class and working class people lose their means of support and he sounds COLD
even state officials call his comments unbelieveable and the head of coal association is aghast
get yout head out of dailykos and read about what is really moving the polls and voters to mccain. you obama is toast
http://www.wvrecord.com/news/215679-coal-official-calls-obama-comments-unbelievable
READ obama just lost election because of this…will lose ohio and pennsylvania
Dear, dear Michelle
Just how many coal miners do you think there are in Pa. ? I do believe there are a majority of voters located in Pittsburgh and Philly who don’t mine coal.
there are coalminers in kentucky, PA, Ohio etc…PLENY of people who didnt take this comment well. and it is also the concept that he has shown his true side about how he feels about working class peoples livlihood…and energy issues in general. that is now why he is toast.
america does not ned a president obama. he will ruin our great country with his radical ideas—and associations
Dear Michelle,
PLENY does not make a MAJORITY !
Sorry sweety !
Where’s the tape, people?
No wait, where’s whitey? Not in the Oval Office anymore that’s for sure.
aaah, not so fast obamatrons..he hasnt been sworn in yet.
if he doesnt answer judge souter of the united states supreme court by dec 1 on the issue of his official certificate of live birth….he is toast!! no more stalling for your fraud!
supreme court justices dont take kindly to being ignored and bullied the way he weaved and legally dodged the lower court
dont say this issue has been asked and answered
FACTCHECK.ORG is an arm of obama…run by his associates and the annenberg group so their postings and SPIN/BullSh*t is worthless
the supreme court did not dismiss the case, hence they do believe there is something here to has out.
dec 1 is well before the electoral college meets…and if you dont know about the american system, obama is NOTHING until they meet and ratify our popular vote!!!
so dont count your racist roosters before they hatch…
Give it up ! What a pathetic thread.
.S. Supreme Court Update Regarding The December 01, 2008 Deadline
Thursday, 04 December 2008 01:46 Webmaster Main – News We understand everyone is eager to learn what occurred on December 1, 2008, at the U.S. Supreme Court. There is a rumor claiming Mr. Obama was Court Ordered by Justice Souter to turn over his birth certificate by December 1, 2008. This is NOT true.
When a Petition for a Writ of Certiorari is filed the Defendants automatically are given thirty (30) days to respond. They are not required to respond. The end of thirty (30) Days in the Berg v. Obama case was December 1, 2008. Keep in mind, the Defendants could have mailed in a response to the Petition for Writ of Certiorari and the Court allows approximately a week for mail. If this is the case, the envelopes must be postmarked December 1, 2008.
In the afternoon, December 1, 2008, Lisa, Mr. Berg’s Assistant contacted the U.S. Supreme Court and spoke with the Clerk. The Clerk informed Lisa Mr. Berg’s Petition for Writ of Certiorari would be distributed to all nine (9) Justices and a conference should be set within ten (10) days. As I’m sure you are aware, during the conference the Justices will discuss Mr. Berg’s Petition for the Writ of Certiorari and decide whether or not to grant or deny the Petition. It only takes four (4) out of nine (9) Justices to agree to grant Mr. Berg’s Petition for Writ of Certiorari. The Justices can also make other Orders during the Conference.
Mr. Berg’s Office also learned the Solicitor General is only representing the Federal Election Commission.
Additional documents will be filed within the next couple of days. All Legal briefs will be posted on our website, so please continue checking back for updates.
THE SUPREME COURT HAS A TIGER BY ITS TAIL, ‘AND THEY BETTER HAVE A PLAN
FOR DEALING WITH HIS TEETH.’
PHYLLIS KUNZ
i am sure the supreme court will step up to the plate….and uphold our constitution against this fraud and usurper. obama will never be pres for 4 years….he is ineligible to hold office–periodeven though the congress is now trying to pass a bill to change the law about how many terms a pres can serve.
outrageous that they are trying to have OBAMA FOR LIFE…read bout it on citizenwells.com
The racist roosters were counted. The numbers are the same. Nonexistent audio tapes and nonsensical supreme court challenges came to nothing. Barack Obama has won. He is the president. Want to be a patriot? Get in line behind your president. The false conservatism of the past eight years has been rejected.
The Audacity of Hope. Exit the dope.
http://madmonq.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/the-secret-obama-masonic-other-ball/
perhaps you are an aobamatron, or just ill informed. there are still cases pending in the supremem court. why dont you check the official supreme court docket for yourself. this is not mere heresay by bloggers. why dont YOU and the other OBOTS ask yourself why everyone…who has ever been asked to show a birth certificate for far less important jobs than POTUS has done so-whereas OBUMMER has spent close to 800,000 dollars to keep who he is and where he is from a dark deep secret. why does anyone have their birth certificate, selective service records and every piece of paper trail put on lcokdown so no one can see who and where this fraud came from. why are YOU so easily swayed to believe that someone who is willing to use his own money and taxpayer money (the court cases going thru the court system is costing YOU AND I MONEY)doesnt have something he is hiding. i am willing get behind ayone elected as POTUS…(i am a registered democrat) but i put country first-and THIS USURPER is hiding something. no one is going to thumb their nose at the constitution and not be challenged for that gross behavior. perhaps YOU should get more aquainted wuth the facts and merits of why obama is a fruad and the truth will come out. then we will see who was in the right on these message boards…for example….
This just announced—it was announced that plainsradio.com has a certified copy of an Immigratrion and Naturalization Service (INS) form, signed by Stanley Ann Dunham, showing that she and Obama entered the USA from Kenya on Aug 10, 1961 — proving his likely birth outside of the USA mainland.
Here is what Ed Hale gave as a reference for the document:
INS document # CD E509B TECX SQSQPQ
Per the discussion on the blog tonight, the Port of Entry where Stanley Ann Dunham came back into the U.S. six days after the of her child (BHO Jr.) is under this document, on or about August 10, 1961 (if Obama’s birth is August 4, 1961) and then the registry in Hawaii occurred on August 12, 1961 as shown on the Hawaii birth of records report.
Why is Obama being thought of NOT a natural born citizen?
The truth is, we don’t really know, because the one who really knows has ordered this information to be sealed, hidden away from the American people, at great legal expense.
And every request to date that he document his U.S. birth and citizenship has been opposed vigorously by him and his legions of supporters and defenders, including the national news media.
Numerous suits have been filed all across America seeking to force him to reveal his REAL birth records and prove his citizenship, all to no avail.
Janet Porter, writing for WorldNetDaily, proposes these questions:If you were a natural born American citizen and had it within your means to quiet all the lawsuits and questions with proof, would you do it?
If you were a natural born American citizen, would you spend thousands of dollars to fight the legal cases against you, or would you simply answer the legitimate question of whether you meet the constitutional requirements for office?
If you were a natural born American citizen, would you forge a document called a “Certification of Live Birth” and tell the public it was a real “birth certificate”? (WorldNetDaily, November 25, 2008, “Rathergate II”)
“He’s President now, just get over it,” is a sentiment being widely expressed. But should we just “get over it”? Are we not entitled to know thetruth about BHO? In light of the media blackout on this issue, the silence of the courts and the party line stance of Congress, should the American people simply “roll over and play dead”, and accept that he is our new president, without knowing the truth about his eligibility to claim this honored position over our nation? Should the Constitution continue to be ignored, or will the American people demand that it be obeyed?
As more and more Americans become aware of the facts–in spite of the deafening silence of the media–it should become obvious to Congress and the Supreme Court that this issue is not going away until it is resolved, and the people know the truth about this man. After all, this is the same man who, as candidate, promised an open and transparent government–but he will not even be open and honest about who he is. This should in no way be acceptable to the American people.
There are many other questions swirling around the subject of citizenship and how he has represented himself to the nation. For starters, why was he issued his SSN in Connecticut in 1976-77–was it because he was just returning to the U.S. from Indonesia, after he and his Mother had renounced their U.S. citizenship to be Indonesian citizens, and therefore was starting over? Why has he sealed all of his college records and medical records–is it because these records reveal many things about him he does not want us to know, such as other names he has used, that he returned to America and became a student as an Indonesian citizen, and that his medical records would expose his pattern of drug use, etc.? Since it is widely known that he was known by the name of Barry Soetoro, why did he state that his name was Barack Hussein Obama on his law entrance paperwork in Illinois, and that he has been known by no other name (an act of perjury)?
A myriad of questions continue to emerge with regards to his involvement in shady Illinois politics and his possible illegal maneuvers in securing his positions both as State Senator and U.S. Senator (if he is not a U.S. citizen, how could he claim to be eligible for these offices?). What about all of the unanswered questions about his campaign contributions, with reportedly large amounts coming from offshore sources (which would, once again, be illegal, if proven)? What about all of his ties to unscrupulous people–were criminal acts involved, are things known about him which would force him to compromise America, and has he made promises to some of these characters to keep them quiet, which could be harmful to the United States? Why does he have properties listed in his name all over America?
Why has information about his Mother, his Grandmother and other family members virtually vanished, and their death records appear to have been manipulated, with discrepancies over the dates and causes of death? Did he deceive the nation about his Grandmother’s death, falsely claiming that she died just before the election, all for voter sympathy and political advantage–which could have influenced the outcome of the election?
An even greater question is this: How did he manage to perpetrate such a potential fraud on the American people? Whose agenda is he serving?Certainly not that of the American people! Who helped him pull off such a massive fraud, and how have the media been manipulated–even the normally talkative conservative talk show hosts–into complete silence, and an obviously well-controlled blackout on these issues?
The American people are entitled to the truth about this man who has claimed the role of Commander in Chief. Has he done so legally, or is he a usurper? If he is a usurper, and he is not removed by the Supreme Court or Congress, what would be the ramifications to the United States?
There are many possibilities, all of which could be extremely detrimental to America. Here are a few of them:
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Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who has practiced for 30 years and holds four degrees from Harvard, said if it were to be discovered Mr. Obama were not eligible for the presidency, it would cause many problems. They would be compounded if his ineligibility were discovered after he had been in office for a period of time.
“Let’s assume he wasn’t born in the U.S.,” Mr. Vieira told The Bulletin. “What’s the consequence? He will not be eligible. That means he cannot be elected validly. The people and the Electoral College cannot overcome this and the House of Representatives can’t make him president. So what’s the next step? He takes the oath of office, and assuming he’s aware he’s not a citizen, then it’s a perjured oath.”
Any appointments made by an ineligible president would have to be recalled, and their decisions would be invalidated.
“He may have nominated people to different positions; he may have nominated people to the judicial branch, who may have been confirmed, they may have gone out on executive duty and done various things,” said Mr. Vieira. “The people that he’s put into the judicial branch may have decided cases, and all of that needs to be unzipped.”
Mr. Vieira said Obama supporters should be the ones concerned about the case, because Mr. Obama’s platform would be discredited it he were forced to step down from the presidency later due to his ineligibility, were it to be discovered.
“Let’s say we go a year into this process, and it all turns out to be a flim-flam,” said Mr. Vieira. “What’s the nation’s reaction to that? What’s going to be the reaction in the next U.S. election? God knows. It has almost revolutionary consequences, if you think about it.”
Mr. Vieira said Mr. Obama’s continued silence and avoidance in the release of his birth certificate is an ethical issue because of the dire consequences that could be caused by a possible constitutional crisis.
“If he were my client and this question came up in civil litigation, if there was some reason that his birth status was relevant and the other side wanted him to produce the thing and he said ‘no,’ I would tell him, ‘you have about 15 minutes to produce it or sign the papers necessary to produce the document, or I’m resigning as your attorney,” said Mr. Vieira. “I don’t think any ethical attorney would go ahead on the basis that his client could produce an objective document in civil litigation [and refused to do so].”
Further, Mr. Vieira cited a fraud ruling in a 1977 case called U.S. v. Prudden, which he feels applies in this case.
“Silence can only be equated with fraud when there is a legal and moral duty to speak or when an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading,” the ruling reads. “We cannot condone this shocking conduct … If that is the case we hope our message is clear. This sort of deception will not be tolerated and if this is routine it should be corrected immediately.”
Mr. Vieira said such an ethical question of representing a client who refused to produce such a basic document is important, even in a small civil case. The current question is concerning the man who potentially could have his finger next to the nuclear button.
“[The birth certificate], in theory, should be there,” said Mr. Vieira. “What if it isn’t? Who knows, aside from Mr. Obama? Does Russian intelligence know it isn’t there? Does Chinese intelligence know it isn’t there? Does the CIA know that it isn’t there? Who is in a position to blackmail this fellow?”
Mr. Vieira explained all laws have to be submitted to the president. In the event that there is no valid president, then no laws passed by Congress in that administration would be legally null and void. Because of that, this case will probably not go away, even after Mr. Obama takes the oath of office.
“If you don’t produce it, you think it’s going to go away,” he said. “There are all these cases challenging Mr. Obama, and some challenging secretaries of state, and they run into this doctrine called standing.”
Mr. Vieira explained although legal standing is difficult to get around in Federal courts, the document could be produced in any criminal cases stemming from legislation passed in the Obama administration.
“Let’s assume that an Obama administration passes some of these controversial pieces of legislation he has been promising to go for, like the FOCA (Freedom of Choice) Act,” said Mr. Vieira. “I would assume that some of those surely will have some severe civil or criminal penalties attached to them for violation. You are now the criminal defendant under this statute, which was passed by an Obama Congress and signed by President Obama. Your defense is that is not a statute because Mr. Obama is not the president. You now have a right and I have never heard this challenged, to subpoena in a criminal case, anyone who has relevant evidence relating to your defenses. And you can subpoena them duces tecum, meaning ‘you shall bring with you the documents.’ ”
Such a criminal defense would enable the defendant to subpoena any person to testify in court and any person to bring evidence in their possession to the court.
Further, records could be subpoenaed directly, in the case of a birth certificate. Once the record could be subpoenaed, the birth certificate could be examined by forensic experts, who would then be able to testify to the document’s veracity as expert witnesses. Any movement by the judges to make a special exception to the president in a criminal case would hurt the legitimacy of that presidential administration.
“I can’t believe I’m the only lawyer who would think of this,” said Mr. Vieira. “I think any criminal lawyer defending against one of these politically charged statutes is going to come up with this. That means it will never go away until that document is laid down on the table and people say, ‘yes, there it is.’ And therefore they’re caught. If people keep challenging this and the judges out of fear keep saying ‘no, go to jail, go to jail, go to jail’ then that’s the end of the Obama administration’s legitimacy. On the other hand, if they open the file and it’s not there, then that’s really the end of the administration’s legitimacy.” (The Philadelphia Bulletin, John P. Connolly, December 1, 2008)
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There are other issues, such as his ability to command the military. What would happen if the commanders of our armed forces and their recruits do not believe that he is the legitimate constitutionally-elected president, and refuse to carry out his orders? What if citizens refuse to obey those laws which have his signature upon them, and make court cases out of them? The nation could become gridlocked and stalled, able to function at only a minimum level. Even in a best-case scenario, millions of Americans will become disillusioned, believing that we have lost our country, and could take steps to redress their grievances, which could take many forms, some of them quite ugly and unproductive for the nation as a whole–all coming at a time when we are facing our most severe economic downturn in decades. And this issue will leave us deeply divided until it is resolved–and possibly, long after it is settled.
We are sailing into deep, uncharted, perilous waters as a nation, with mighty waves battering the sides of the weary old Ship of State. As we begin to take on water, the Captain-Elect seems to have identified certain items to be jettisoned, with his loyal, crafty crew standing at the ready to help. Among these disposable items is the U.S. Constitution, including the Bill of Rights–and with these vital supports, our way of life and America as we have known it for 200-plus years will be thrown overboard, finding their way to oblivion on the ocean’s floor. The Constitution is the law of the land, the legal and moral compass which guides us. And a nation without laws is a rudderless ship, destined for shipwreck upon some faraway rocky shore.
What to do? Pray. Stay informed (see websites below). Network with others, and spread the word about the great cover-up. Contact your Congressmen (over and over again, if necessary, letting them know that “pat answers” are not acceptable, such as: “He has already provided a copy of his birth certificate”, which he has not done; “Hawaii officials have stated that they have his certificate which proves his birth in Hawaii and his citizenship”, which is not true; and “the people have voted, and have chosen their president”, which is not a valid answer, if he has been ineligible all along, since no one has the right to vote for and elect someone who is not eligible according to the Constitution.
Further, if he is not eligible, he has perpetrated a fraud upon 300 million U.S. citizens who have been told that he is qualified to run for president, securing the votes of millions, which would all be invalid in such case.) It appears that many of our Congressmen are lacking accurate information on the subject, while others have been obviously happy to keep their heads in the sand, and accommodate the status quo. We must make sure that they access the right information, such as the websites listed below, particularly polarik.blogtownhall.com, which proves that what BHO posted on his campaign website is a forgery.
The American people deserve to know the truth, we must persist until we know the truth about this man who claims the presidency, and must insist on Congress and the courts doing the right thing.
We must bind together as a nation more than ever before, to stand against the forces which would destroy our beloved Constitution and rip our nation apart, under the guise of “unity” and “progress”.
The inauguration and first days of the BHO presidency are upon us. And as we witness all the hoopla surrounding his ascension to power, we should remember the secretive and deceptive manner of this man who claims to represent hope and positive change, and ask ourselves, “What is the real agenda which is being masked? What is really going on behind the scenes in the administration of this man who as candidate promised an open and transparent government?”
As his inaugural festivities are initiated with his “We Are One” concert on Sunday, I wonder if he realizes how great a divide he has already created by his refusal to prove that he is our legally elected President–or is this all part of a massive, purposeful plot? As he takes the oath of office next Tuesday and swears on Abraham Lincoln’s Bible that he will protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, will he be committing perjury? As he speaks about “A New Birth of Freedom”, what vision of freedom does he really have in mind–the freedoms as given to us at birth by our Creator and enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution, or the socialist ideas of Karl Marx, in which the people are “emancipated” by the state, and told how much of their lives and earnings are their own, and which freedoms they can enjoy?
His Madison Avenue-projected larger-than-life persona and “audacity of hope” mantra have even spawned marketing themes such as Pepsi’s “Refresh Everything” campaign. Their website asks, “What would you say to the man who is about to refresh America?” Then we are encouraged to “be ready to change our world into a fresher, more optimistic, much better place.” It would be wonderful if it were true! But false hope and false optimism based upon false promises and unrealistic expectations will not make it so, with such an enormous gulf between hype and reality.
Has anyone dared to ask openly, if his presidency promises all of these wonderful things for America and the world, why is it that the most rabid sworn enemies of the United States and Israel such as Hamas, Al Qaeda and radical Islamists everywhere are elated that he has been elected?
With his powerful backers, Barack Obama may be playing a starring role in his own production, with a supporting cast of thousands, with millions of “extras” (the American people). But this is no Hollywood movie–and the price for this real-life show may be more than any of us, indeed, all of us together, can afford.
Be vigilant, fellow Americans! Stay alert, informed, and involved!
God bless you, and may God continue to bless the United States of America.
Kind regards,
A concerned citizen
So according to Fight the Smears itself, Obama’s Kenyan citizenship expired on Aug. 4, 1982 meaning he held Kenyan citizenship until that point. This is astounding and so far no mainstream media outlet has reported on it.
By LEO C. DONOFRIO
Barack Obama’s official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto:
FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen “at birth”.
My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship “at birth” and therefore split loyalties “at birth”, he is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States. A “natural born citizen” would have no other jurisdiction over him “at birth” other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words “natural born” and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, “natural born citizen”, pertains to the status of the person’s citizenship “at birth”.
The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, “at birth”, a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of Constitutional “natural born citizen” status, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. Should Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen “at birth”.
Obama has admitted to being a British subject “at birth”. And as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction “at birth” bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States.
As I have argued before the United States Supreme Court, the 14th Amendment does not confer “natural born citizen” status anywhere in its text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is a “Citizen”, and only if he is “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
The most overlooked words in that section are: “…or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…” You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects.
Stop and think about that.
The chosen wording of the Framers here makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves – persons born subject to British jurisdiction – and “natural born citizens” who would not be born subject to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United States. And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution as being eligible to be President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a Citizen… at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution. Obama was definitely not a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and so he is not grandfathered in.
And so, for Obama or anybody else to be eligible to be President, they must be a “natural born citizen” of the United States “at birth”. It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to anybody who was a British subject “at birth”. If this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the Framers themselves to be President.
If you click through to Factcheck.org, a more detailed discussion as to why Obama was a British citizen at birth explains the relevant statutes:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children:
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.’ “
The article goes on to state that Obama’s British citizenship was transferred to Kenya as Kenya became independent from the UK and that Obama’s Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 years old. But none of that is relevant since the Constitution requires that every President be a “natural born citizen”. The word “born” is proof positive that the status must be present “at birth”. If this were not the case, then, as stated above, the Framers would not have needed to put in a grandfather clause.
The Framers recognized that even they were not “natural born citizens” and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them to become President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to those who were Citizens at the time of the Constitution’s adoption. And so, Barack Obama is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States and neither is John McCain who was born in Panama, and neither is Roger Calero who was born in Nicaragua.
Well, suppose Barack Obama and Michelle are racist. They would not be the first racist elected. RIGHT! There have been a long line of racist Presidents and politicians in this country and no one complained about their governence. Governmental racisim and legitimate terrorism was constitutional tolerated, endorsed, and accepted as official before Civil Rights Legislation was passed. Even to this day, police brutality and oppression are tolerated in many societal sectors. They may be race conscious because they have had to pay their black societal dues (which whites do not understand). Therefore, it is the racists white culture that forces you into this position of defining yourself ethnically instead of socially and culturally as just an American. White people would commit mass suicide if they had to endure what black people endure as normal part of being black in America. Some of yall might get the chance to endure tough times with this runaway economy breakdown. One thing that black folks know how to do is survive under pressure and difficult times without coming completely unglued; because of white oppression we are survivors and for this we can be thankful.
what in heaven are you blabbering on about here gwen…we are talking citizenship issues…and that obummer is a fraud.
get over your “white man is keeping me down” bullshit.
a blackman is president (actually lets he honest here…he is HALF WHITE…)anyway obummer is pres—so stop your victim routine here.
get over yourself…its old already. white people during the holocaust endured way more than blacks so stop your rants…
Gwen—we are so tired of listening and reading the rants and raving of your type. Obama will go down—he is the next Jimmy Carter.