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Fasternu426
15 years ago
Talk is for those that don’t have the nads to kick ass when called for. If someone would have stopped Hitler early on, millions of lives would have been saved. We now are at a similar turning point in history. The same vaginal voices call for peace when peace is not appropriate. This time the bad guys will have the capability to destroy millions in a matter of minutes with nuclear weapons. Is the risk worth it?
DO what needs to be done and talk about it later.
Fit fit
15 years ago
Anything that gets Bush and McCain speaking in unison is great for Obama. More please.
If speaking the truth and pointing out where Obama is dead wrong is “great for Obama” I have to wonder about the left’s rationality and motives even more than I usually do.
Those who cry “Peace at any cost” (they really mean surrender and appeasement by the United States) WILL be charged FULL PRICE if their fanasies are enacted.
Fasternu426
15 years ago
Politics of appeasement.
Anything that gets Obama and Neville Chamberlain speaking in unison is great for McCain. Moore, please…..
No one can reject the fact that creation of Israel on the land of Arabic nations has created tremendous problems for the United States. We may have to look outside of the box to diffuse the problems. One solution would be for Israel joining us as a member of the Unites States’ Common Wealth.
Would Israel consider joining us as a member of the Unites States’ Common Wealth?
What are costs and benefits for US?
We are already supporting Israel economically, politically and by sharing intelligence and military hardware. In addition, some Israeli Americans with both Israeli and American citizenships serve in the Israeli Armed Forces. Israel never would have to be fearful of any other nation; our great American Armed Forces will protect the common wealth as they would the homeland.
Would it be politically more advantages for the United States to manage the Jewish state as a member of our Common Wealth?
Would it be economically more advantages for Israeli people to be a member of our nation?
The Israeli Common Wealth will be free to exercise the religious freedom that our great nation would offer without being isolated among the hostile Arabs.
Should the Common Wealth include the Arabs who were forced to leave the land when Zionist invaded the land?
Should the area of the Common Wealth include all of the Palestinian Land?
What would Arabs think about the Common Wealth?
What do you think?
yonason
15 years ago
“No one can reject the fact that creation of Israel on the land of Arabic nations has created tremendous problems for the United States.” — (M)S.M.(fellow)traveler
I suppose that’s why the names of the towns in Israel today are nearly all either the same Hebrew names (or Arabizations of them) that have been in use since Biblical times? Only an idiot could ignore that fact coupled with the additional fact that those towns are written about in Jewish scripture that has been around beginning about 3,500 years ago. Oh, and the so-called “Palestinians” have NO history, other than occupation of Jewish Land!
Unique take. Unique enough for me to see your website link and find you follow the made up history of “Zionists” invading the land they had occupied for years and were granted by very easily researched treaties. You may also want to research why the US is bound by treaty to support BOTH Egypt and Israel.
If you want a different view on the cause of most of the Islamic terrorism against the United States and Israel and to “Think Outside of Israeli Box”, here is a link.
I do not know you, but from your website and historical rewriting, I may assume that you are a “fellow traveler” of the failed politcal and social system and state which helped open this pandora’s box.
Ah yes, Bush tells the truth and the Leftiesget in an uproar. You can not have peace unless you can enforce the peace. That is what has always been and will alway be with human kind. Appeasement might work for a few years, but it only emboldens the terrorists and thugs more. When Nancy Pelosi went and talked to Syria, she should have been charged with treason.
If Obamassiah gets into the White House I will be scared that Israel will be no more, because he will talk and talk and talk to Iamanutjob until he is blue in the face, but itwill not change the minds of the Mullahs in Iran. They will still try and destroy Israel and then next come after the land that used to belong to the Caliphate. They say it all the time, bu the MSM just ignores it and talks about the poor Palestinians.
Well, the poor Palestinians cold have had 98% of what they wanted, but still used terror to destroy Israel. But it is all Israel’s fault, becasue they just won’t die and leave the land tothe poor Palestinians. Which there was no such thing as Palestinians until Yasser Arafat made it up.
On hearing of the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939, the
Idaho senator lamented: “Lord, if only I could have
talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.”
Ah, if only Barack had been able to talk with Saddam . . .
Thanks. I did not know who William Borah was and now I do. I researched him because you mentioned his name.
I cannot say I would have supported him or many of his views though (especially the one above).
I am sure if he had “talked with Hitler”, he would have stepped off the boat with a scap of paper declaring “peace in our time” as German forces swarmed into Belgium.
I do not doubt Obama would act the same way from his statements.
Shelly
15 years ago
Golf yesterday, appeasement today….I hope Bush has a bunch more lib-stickers in his back pocket. I like it when they jump and squawk
Machiavelli
15 years ago
In response to President Bush’s speech, Joe Biden decided to raise the level of debate by calling it “bullshit.” Yes, it is truly impressive when the Democrats resort to foul language in the course of public debate. Perhaps this resonates with their base, with whom this passes for a witty retort. But, in all seriousness, for someone in high office, it’s pretty low conduct.
I also love the fact that BHO reacted so angrily to it; when he’s the one who wants to have a nice sit down over tea with the President of Iran. You know, the swell guy who’s funding Hezbollah’s attacks on Israel, various insurgent groups in Iraq who are killing our troops, and best of all trying to cook up some nuclear weapons. Sure, he gives lip service to our “stalwart ally” Israel, but his past rhetoric shows that he buys into the “moral equivalence” of all parties in the Middle East conflict; talk about moral blindness.
So, does anyone else out there think that John Edward’s public smooching of BHO’s posterior is a play to be the VP this election year too?
“Some people suggest if the United States would just break ties with Israel, all our problems in the Middle East would go away. This is a tired argument that buys into the propaganda of the enemies of peace, and America utterly rejects it. Israel’s population may be just over 7 million. But when you confront terror and evil, you are 307 million strong, because the United States of America stands with you.”
Machiavelli
15 years ago
Yonason:
As someone who seems an expert on Israel, and a staunch defender of its freedom and security, I’m curious; Are you hoping that Benjamin Netanyahu will be returning to the position of Prime Minister?
Personally, he’s been my favorite out of the recent crop of Israeli PM’s. Plus, he’s charismatic, and has a very healthy take on Iran, and Middle Eastern defense politics in general.
Wordsmith: We may have to ask the White House to issue a clarification. I don’t think we can count on 307 million Americans to stand with Israel. As we’ve seen there are a fair number who would just as soon see Israel destroyed by Hamas and Hezbollah. Perhaps slightly more than the number who think we deserved to get hit on 9/11.
David
15 years ago
Is this the best Biden can do … he is, after all, the Democrats’ most knowledge man on foreign policy issues.
KansasGirl
15 years ago
These libs have done their fair share of destroying my country. Now they want to destroy Isreal? I take heart, knowing it isn’t going to happen. They my take the majority in this election cycle, but be forwarned, it will not last. Conservatives are ridding this Republican party of RINOS. President Bush speaks the truth. Also, Benjamin Netanyahu will be the new Prime Minister!
Igor R.
15 years ago
I bet Carter is now upset at Obama for claiming the speech was directed at him. Since no names were mentioned, Carter probably assumed he was the target.
Fit fit
15 years ago
I bet Carter is now upset at Obama for claiming the speech was directed at him. Since no names were mentioned, Carter probably assumed he was the target
“We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage with respect to the Iranians and then sit down and talk with them. If there’s going to be a discussion, then they need something too.” Robert Gates 5-14-2008
I bet Gates is hoping he wasn’t talking about him. Gates is talking appeasements and concessions.
john Ryan
15 years ago
Democrats are outraged ? not so important, of course if the Independents continue to desert the Republican Party than there will be a problem for the Republicans in 2008
FF: We have been talking to the Iranians. We have been using an array of backchannel contacts for DECADES to talk to the Iranians.
And we’ve had one message: STOP KILLING AMERICANS if you want relations betweeen us to improve.
Nothing Gates or Baker suggested would lead anyone to believe that Presidential level talks without preconditions like Obama is campaigning on would be a good idea.
Speaking of deserting the Republican party. Apparently the GOP house members know the Republican Brand is in the trash…
There’s all kinds of brand anxiety over in the House GOP right now — In his outraged memo to the party yesterday, GOP Rep. Tom Davis wrote that “Members instinctively understand that the Republican brand is in the trash can. I’ve often observed that if we were a dog food, they would take us off the shelf.”
Scott Malensek
15 years ago
LOL! Bush says that talking with Iran etc isn’t going to work, and rather than describe how talking with Iran WILL work people who disagree with his comments disagree with him instead of proving them wrong by describing how he is wrong.
Step up, tell us how it would work. Bush or Clinton or Obama or a SecState go to Tehran, sit down, and a fairy godmother waves her wand, then everything is good; Iran smiles, recognizes Israel, stops killing Americans in Iraq, and begins dismantling their nuclear bomb factories? What? No fairy godmother? Ok, then what makes Iran do all this once they sit down and “talk”?
I do not know how “leverage” equates to “appeasements and concessions”. Leverage means we give Iran an offer they cannot refuse, just as we gave the Sunni in Iraq. We crush their forces in Iraq, capture their weapons they gave to the terrorists (on all sides) and weaken them to a point where they face two choices: Surrender and negotiate or fight to the death and lose.
Sky and John,
In a sense you are correct, the Republicans have soured their brand, but not as you or your programmers at KOS and DU believe. The RNC for some reason decided to become “democrat light” and let the leftists walk all over them as they abandoned principles and went left. As such, conservatives like me complained and when ignored, quit the party. We are now “independents” but will NEVER vote for the socialist democrat party (DNC). Maybe the RNC will wake up and return to conservatism or maybe they will continue to be “democrat light” and fade away.
The same holds true for the Democrat Party. It too may fracture into the “democrat light/current republican party” and the radical socialist/militant left. The Obama/Hillary voter split could drive upset dems to McCain as some polls suggest.
America would then have four parties in reality (though the Democrats and Republicans may still exist, there will be little difference): Libertarian, Conservative, the RNC/DNC (pastel differences), and the Socialists (WWP, Sparticus League, ANSWER, et al along with their extremes like Black Bloq types and Stormfront).
This whole idea of talking to terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah or their Iranian masters has me troubled.
What do you negotitate?
They are KILLING AMERICANS.
As the U.S. do you say: OK, we’ll compromise, you can kill half the number of Americans you are currently killing in Iraq?
The only negotiation that should be going on here is with our European partners. We should make it clear to them that the EU-3 negotiating team of Britain, Germany and France has FAILED to bring about any positive result in stopping Iran’s nuclear development. Therefore, it’s time for them to join us in SANCTIONS against Iran and prevent Iran’s access to western technology.
P.S. Here’s my response to the lefty enabler of terrorist scum at the #2 trackback above:
The United States has engaged in diplomacy with Iran, it’s subsidary agents Hamas and Hezbollah by intensive indirect means in conjunction with our allies FOR DECADES.
The idea that we are not using diplomacy is LAUGHABLE.
You apparently ignored the portion of my post at Flopping Aces where I summarize the memoirs of Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz, who conducted some of the most intense diplomatic maneuvers to address the crisis in Lebanon.
Because we only “spoke softly” but threw away the “big stick” through the pullout mania which seems to be the mantra of Democrats we have lost much of the leverage we have to bring about diplomatic success.
It is a direct consequence of the hopelessly flawed and historically ignorant world view of people like yourself that has handcuffed the effectiveness of U.S. diplomatic power.
doug
15 years ago
…it all comes down to ‘having one’s cake and eating it too’ or, in other words, trying to have two incompatible things at the same time. For example, yesterday when McCain was asked about his speech he explicitly said that he was not setting a timetable for withdrawal; he was “talking about victory … –[S]aying you are withdrawing” is “setting a date for surrender.” Now that’s some sweet parsing.
It applies here too. McCain wants the same idiomatic construction in the video. We can see it in his body language as he’s speaking. I think anyone looking at the first part of the clip finds McCain is implicitly making a case for a open-ended negotiation with Hamas. Then he wants to eat his cake too, and puts a condition on negotiations.
While “one way or another” can mean a measure of things, I think it’s fair to say that McCain was more open then to negotiating with Hamas than his present self.
If you care at all about having McCain in the WH next year you will immediately write this total moron of a president and tell him to stop draggin McCain into Bush’s record breaking lack of diplomacy!
Except for the 10%ers on this site and others like it the rest of the country is aware of the utter hipocracy in Bush’s statment! We have always, always, always, negotiated with our enemies until the chimp got into office!
Reagan and Andropov, while the Soviets had thousands of warheads pointed in our direction! Over and over again Breshnev told Nixon that he would destroy us as did Mao but Nixon had the courage to talk to them.
Crap, Reagan sold weapons to these very same Iranians immediately after the Ayatolla kidnapped our diplomats!
Bush is the idiot who appointed Brownie and tried to get Harriet Miers into the SCOTUS! He is an utter, complete and total boob who is going to not only ruin McCain’s chances to get elected but he is going to ruin the GOP brand for decades.
MA – why are you so stuck on the word negotiations? Who is (of relevance – not Jimmy Carter) suggesting any negotiations? This is about talk. When Bush and Powell engaged Libya in talk Qaddafi caved. Why did we stop there?
Why won’t this idiot just shut his mouth? Fine, quit golfing because you do not want to be seen having fun but keep dancing with drummers from Africa and dancers from the Rep of Georgia you unimaginable @hole.
GIBBS: Obviously this is an unprecedented political attack on foreign soil. It’s quite frankly sad and astonishing that the president of the United States would politicize the 60th anniversary of Israel with a false political attack. I assume he also is going to come home and fire his secretary of defense who was quoted in The Washington Post just yesterday saying we need to figure — quote, “We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage and then sit down and talk with them.” Them being Iran. Look, we have come to expect, and we’ve seen from this administration over the last eight years this type of cowboy diplomacy. Again, we’ve come to expect it. But over the past eight years it’s made this country far less safe than we were.
CNN again aired that clip of Gibbs — except that it edited out the reference to The Washington Post about firing Gates, in which Gibbs pointed out the Bush administration’s hypocrisy. Several other times, CNN aired a portion of Gibbs’ comments, without the references to Gates.
“this is an unprecedented political attack on foreign soil.”
I guess Gibbs must have changed the channel when Carter and Clinton were attacking Bush on foreign soil.
Geez! The more you Dems WHINE about this the more obvious it is that the truth hurts.
You have a weak candidate, with no experience and even less understanding of how the world works. He is dangerously naive and would risk America’s nationals security for the sake of his enormous ego.
When it comes to Obama: JUST SAY NO!
Scott Malensek
15 years ago
Gimme a break…a political attack. It’s a fact. And if people wanna pretend that it’s oh-so-bad to criticize foreign policy while abroad, let’s remember the numerous trips to Syria by the Speaker of the House, Senate leaders, Presidential candidate Kucinich’s wacked out foreign policy claims while in Syria, or how about the Dem Congressmen who went to Saddam’s Iraq and said everything was hunky dory there?
If it was a political attack against Obama or dems, he’d have said, “some people in my country.” Fact is, he was talking about people around the world who have this idea that one can sit down and say hi to Ahmadinejad, and everything will be happy go lucky. You talk about the Gates quote…what he’s saying is that if someone’s gonna talk to Iran, then that someone is either going to have to have leverage against them, OR HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING/appease them. Got leverage? No? Then how are “talks” w Iran gonna make magic things happen w/out giving them something/appeasing them?
Talk is for those that don’t have the nads to kick ass when called for. If someone would have stopped Hitler early on, millions of lives would have been saved. We now are at a similar turning point in history. The same vaginal voices call for peace when peace is not appropriate. This time the bad guys will have the capability to destroy millions in a matter of minutes with nuclear weapons. Is the risk worth it?
DO what needs to be done and talk about it later.
Anything that gets Bush and McCain speaking in unison is great for Obama. More please.
Fit Fit,
HAMAS, Hezbollah and Iran agree with you.
If speaking the truth and pointing out where Obama is dead wrong is “great for Obama” I have to wonder about the left’s rationality and motives even more than I usually do.
Those who cry “Peace at any cost” (they really mean surrender and appeasement by the United States) WILL be charged FULL PRICE if their fanasies are enacted.
Politics of appeasement.
Anything that gets Obama and Neville Chamberlain speaking in unison is great for McCain. Moore, please…..
Think Outside of Israeli Box
No one can reject the fact that creation of Israel on the land of Arabic nations has created tremendous problems for the United States. We may have to look outside of the box to diffuse the problems. One solution would be for Israel joining us as a member of the Unites States’ Common Wealth.
Would Israel consider joining us as a member of the Unites States’ Common Wealth?
What are costs and benefits for US?
We are already supporting Israel economically, politically and by sharing intelligence and military hardware. In addition, some Israeli Americans with both Israeli and American citizenships serve in the Israeli Armed Forces. Israel never would have to be fearful of any other nation; our great American Armed Forces will protect the common wealth as they would the homeland.
Would it be politically more advantages for the United States to manage the Jewish state as a member of our Common Wealth?
Would it be economically more advantages for Israeli people to be a member of our nation?
The Israeli Common Wealth will be free to exercise the religious freedom that our great nation would offer without being isolated among the hostile Arabs.
Should the Common Wealth include the Arabs who were forced to leave the land when Zionist invaded the land?
Should the area of the Common Wealth include all of the Palestinian Land?
What would Arabs think about the Common Wealth?
What do you think?
“No one can reject the fact that creation of Israel on the land of Arabic nations has created tremendous problems for the United States.” — (M)S.M.(fellow)traveler
Arab Land?
I suppose that’s why the names of the towns in Israel today are nearly all either the same Hebrew names (or Arabizations of them) that have been in use since Biblical times? Only an idiot could ignore that fact coupled with the additional fact that those towns are written about in Jewish scripture that has been around beginning about 3,500 years ago. Oh, and the so-called “Palestinians” have NO history, other than occupation of Jewish Land!
“Arab Lands” my Tukkas!
St. M. Traveler,
Unique take. Unique enough for me to see your website link and find you follow the made up history of “Zionists” invading the land they had occupied for years and were granted by very easily researched treaties. You may also want to research why the US is bound by treaty to support BOTH Egypt and Israel.
If you want a different view on the cause of most of the Islamic terrorism against the United States and Israel and to “Think Outside of Israeli Box”, here is a link.
I do not know you, but from your website and historical rewriting, I may assume that you are a “fellow traveler” of the failed politcal and social system and state which helped open this pandora’s box.
What do you think?
Ah yes, Bush tells the truth and the Leftiesget in an uproar. You can not have peace unless you can enforce the peace. That is what has always been and will alway be with human kind. Appeasement might work for a few years, but it only emboldens the terrorists and thugs more. When Nancy Pelosi went and talked to Syria, she should have been charged with treason.
If Obamassiah gets into the White House I will be scared that Israel will be no more, because he will talk and talk and talk to Iamanutjob until he is blue in the face, but itwill not change the minds of the Mullahs in Iran. They will still try and destroy Israel and then next come after the land that used to belong to the Caliphate. They say it all the time, bu the MSM just ignores it and talks about the poor Palestinians.
Well, the poor Palestinians cold have had 98% of what they wanted, but still used terror to destroy Israel. But it is all Israel’s fault, becasue they just won’t die and leave the land tothe poor Palestinians. Which there was no such thing as Palestinians until Yasser Arafat made it up.
Appeasement only forestalls the inevitable.
Neo,
Thanks. I did not know who William Borah was and now I do. I researched him because you mentioned his name.
I cannot say I would have supported him or many of his views though (especially the one above).
I am sure if he had “talked with Hitler”, he would have stepped off the boat with a scap of paper declaring “peace in our time” as German forces swarmed into Belgium.
I do not doubt Obama would act the same way from his statements.
Golf yesterday, appeasement today….I hope Bush has a bunch more lib-stickers in his back pocket. I like it when they jump and squawk
In response to President Bush’s speech, Joe Biden decided to raise the level of debate by calling it “bullshit.” Yes, it is truly impressive when the Democrats resort to foul language in the course of public debate. Perhaps this resonates with their base, with whom this passes for a witty retort. But, in all seriousness, for someone in high office, it’s pretty low conduct.
I also love the fact that BHO reacted so angrily to it; when he’s the one who wants to have a nice sit down over tea with the President of Iran. You know, the swell guy who’s funding Hezbollah’s attacks on Israel, various insurgent groups in Iraq who are killing our troops, and best of all trying to cook up some nuclear weapons. Sure, he gives lip service to our “stalwart ally” Israel, but his past rhetoric shows that he buys into the “moral equivalence” of all parties in the Middle East conflict; talk about moral blindness.
So, does anyone else out there think that John Edward’s public smooching of BHO’s posterior is a play to be the VP this election year too?
I love this part of his speech:
Yonason:
As someone who seems an expert on Israel, and a staunch defender of its freedom and security, I’m curious; Are you hoping that Benjamin Netanyahu will be returning to the position of Prime Minister?
Personally, he’s been my favorite out of the recent crop of Israeli PM’s. Plus, he’s charismatic, and has a very healthy take on Iran, and Middle Eastern defense politics in general.
Bush should fire Robert Gates right away.
Wordsmith: We may have to ask the White House to issue a clarification. I don’t think we can count on 307 million Americans to stand with Israel. As we’ve seen there are a fair number who would just as soon see Israel destroyed by Hamas and Hezbollah. Perhaps slightly more than the number who think we deserved to get hit on 9/11.
Is this the best Biden can do … he is, after all, the Democrats’ most knowledge man on foreign policy issues.
These libs have done their fair share of destroying my country. Now they want to destroy Isreal? I take heart, knowing it isn’t going to happen. They my take the majority in this election cycle, but be forwarned, it will not last. Conservatives are ridding this Republican party of RINOS. President Bush speaks the truth. Also, Benjamin Netanyahu will be the new Prime Minister!
I bet Carter is now upset at Obama for claiming the speech was directed at him. Since no names were mentioned, Carter probably assumed he was the target.
I bet Gates is hoping he wasn’t talking about him. Gates is talking appeasements and concessions.
Democrats are outraged ? not so important, of course if the Independents continue to desert the Republican Party than there will be a problem for the Republicans in 2008
FF: We have been talking to the Iranians. We have been using an array of backchannel contacts for DECADES to talk to the Iranians.
And we’ve had one message: STOP KILLING AMERICANS if you want relations betweeen us to improve.
Nothing Gates or Baker suggested would lead anyone to believe that Presidential level talks without preconditions like Obama is campaigning on would be a good idea.
Speaking of deserting the Republican party. Apparently the GOP house members know the Republican Brand is in the trash…
There’s all kinds of brand anxiety over in the House GOP right now — In his outraged memo to the party yesterday, GOP Rep. Tom Davis wrote that “Members instinctively understand that the Republican brand is in the trash can. I’ve often observed that if we were a dog food, they would take us off the shelf.”
LOL! Bush says that talking with Iran etc isn’t going to work, and rather than describe how talking with Iran WILL work people who disagree with his comments disagree with him instead of proving them wrong by describing how he is wrong.
Step up, tell us how it would work. Bush or Clinton or Obama or a SecState go to Tehran, sit down, and a fairy godmother waves her wand, then everything is good; Iran smiles, recognizes Israel, stops killing Americans in Iraq, and begins dismantling their nuclear bomb factories? What? No fairy godmother? Ok, then what makes Iran do all this once they sit down and “talk”?
Fit fit,
I do not know how “leverage” equates to “appeasements and concessions”. Leverage means we give Iran an offer they cannot refuse, just as we gave the Sunni in Iraq. We crush their forces in Iraq, capture their weapons they gave to the terrorists (on all sides) and weaken them to a point where they face two choices: Surrender and negotiate or fight to the death and lose.
Sky and John,
In a sense you are correct, the Republicans have soured their brand, but not as you or your programmers at KOS and DU believe. The RNC for some reason decided to become “democrat light” and let the leftists walk all over them as they abandoned principles and went left. As such, conservatives like me complained and when ignored, quit the party. We are now “independents” but will NEVER vote for the socialist democrat party (DNC). Maybe the RNC will wake up and return to conservatism or maybe they will continue to be “democrat light” and fade away.
The same holds true for the Democrat Party. It too may fracture into the “democrat light/current republican party” and the radical socialist/militant left. The Obama/Hillary voter split could drive upset dems to McCain as some polls suggest.
America would then have four parties in reality (though the Democrats and Republicans may still exist, there will be little difference): Libertarian, Conservative, the RNC/DNC (pastel differences), and the Socialists (WWP, Sparticus League, ANSWER, et al along with their extremes like Black Bloq types and Stormfront).
McCain talking about talking to Hamas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icooZ4PTM60&eurl=http://www.rising-hegemon.blogspot.com/
Yes Doug, its a “expertly clipped” video to show some statements of McCains out of context. Nice try tho:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/16/mccains-hamas-comments-context-restored/
This whole idea of talking to terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah or their Iranian masters has me troubled.
What do you negotitate?
They are KILLING AMERICANS.
As the U.S. do you say: OK, we’ll compromise, you can kill half the number of Americans you are currently killing in Iraq?
The only negotiation that should be going on here is with our European partners. We should make it clear to them that the EU-3 negotiating team of Britain, Germany and France has FAILED to bring about any positive result in stopping Iran’s nuclear development. Therefore, it’s time for them to join us in SANCTIONS against Iran and prevent Iran’s access to western technology.
P.S. Here’s my response to the lefty enabler of terrorist scum at the #2 trackback above:
The United States has engaged in diplomacy with Iran, it’s subsidary agents Hamas and Hezbollah by intensive indirect means in conjunction with our allies FOR DECADES.
The idea that we are not using diplomacy is LAUGHABLE.
You apparently ignored the portion of my post at Flopping Aces where I summarize the memoirs of Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz, who conducted some of the most intense diplomatic maneuvers to address the crisis in Lebanon.
Because we only “spoke softly” but threw away the “big stick” through the pullout mania which seems to be the mantra of Democrats we have lost much of the leverage we have to bring about diplomatic success.
It is a direct consequence of the hopelessly flawed and historically ignorant world view of people like yourself that has handcuffed the effectiveness of U.S. diplomatic power.
…it all comes down to ‘having one’s cake and eating it too’ or, in other words, trying to have two incompatible things at the same time. For example, yesterday when McCain was asked about his speech he explicitly said that he was not setting a timetable for withdrawal; he was “talking about victory … –[S]aying you are withdrawing” is “setting a date for surrender.” Now that’s some sweet parsing.
It applies here too. McCain wants the same idiomatic construction in the video. We can see it in his body language as he’s speaking. I think anyone looking at the first part of the clip finds McCain is implicitly making a case for a open-ended negotiation with Hamas. Then he wants to eat his cake too, and puts a condition on negotiations.
While “one way or another” can mean a measure of things, I think it’s fair to say that McCain was more open then to negotiating with Hamas than his present self.
If you care at all about having McCain in the WH next year you will immediately write this total moron of a president and tell him to stop draggin McCain into Bush’s record breaking lack of diplomacy!
Except for the 10%ers on this site and others like it the rest of the country is aware of the utter hipocracy in Bush’s statment! We have always, always, always, negotiated with our enemies until the chimp got into office!
Reagan and Andropov, while the Soviets had thousands of warheads pointed in our direction! Over and over again Breshnev told Nixon that he would destroy us as did Mao but Nixon had the courage to talk to them.
Crap, Reagan sold weapons to these very same Iranians immediately after the Ayatolla kidnapped our diplomats!
Bush is the idiot who appointed Brownie and tried to get Harriet Miers into the SCOTUS! He is an utter, complete and total boob who is going to not only ruin McCain’s chances to get elected but he is going to ruin the GOP brand for decades.
MA – why are you so stuck on the word negotiations? Who is (of relevance – not Jimmy Carter) suggesting any negotiations? This is about talk. When Bush and Powell engaged Libya in talk Qaddafi caved. Why did we stop there?
Why won’t this idiot just shut his mouth? Fine, quit golfing because you do not want to be seen having fun but keep dancing with drummers from Africa and dancers from the Rep of Georgia you unimaginable @hole.
I think Gibbs from CNN said it best:
GIBBS: Obviously this is an unprecedented political attack on foreign soil. It’s quite frankly sad and astonishing that the president of the United States would politicize the 60th anniversary of Israel with a false political attack. I assume he also is going to come home and fire his secretary of defense who was quoted in The Washington Post just yesterday saying we need to figure — quote, “We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage and then sit down and talk with them.” Them being Iran. Look, we have come to expect, and we’ve seen from this administration over the last eight years this type of cowboy diplomacy. Again, we’ve come to expect it. But over the past eight years it’s made this country far less safe than we were.
CNN again aired that clip of Gibbs — except that it edited out the reference to The Washington Post about firing Gates, in which Gibbs pointed out the Bush administration’s hypocrisy. Several other times, CNN aired a portion of Gibbs’ comments, without the references to Gates.
“this is an unprecedented political attack on foreign soil.”
I guess Gibbs must have changed the channel when Carter and Clinton were attacking Bush on foreign soil.
Geez! The more you Dems WHINE about this the more obvious it is that the truth hurts.
You have a weak candidate, with no experience and even less understanding of how the world works. He is dangerously naive and would risk America’s nationals security for the sake of his enormous ego.
When it comes to Obama: JUST SAY NO!
Gimme a break…a political attack. It’s a fact. And if people wanna pretend that it’s oh-so-bad to criticize foreign policy while abroad, let’s remember the numerous trips to Syria by the Speaker of the House, Senate leaders, Presidential candidate Kucinich’s wacked out foreign policy claims while in Syria, or how about the Dem Congressmen who went to Saddam’s Iraq and said everything was hunky dory there?
If it was a political attack against Obama or dems, he’d have said, “some people in my country.” Fact is, he was talking about people around the world who have this idea that one can sit down and say hi to Ahmadinejad, and everything will be happy go lucky. You talk about the Gates quote…what he’s saying is that if someone’s gonna talk to Iran, then that someone is either going to have to have leverage against them, OR HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING/appease them. Got leverage? No? Then how are “talks” w Iran gonna make magic things happen w/out giving them something/appeasing them?