Health Care Premiums to Increase Up to 125% in Wisconsin Due to Obamacare

I am shocked…SHOCKED that leftist governmental policies are causing health care costs to skyrocket.
I thought Obama said costs would go down…..

@This one:

A quick research indicates the top 16 states that will have increased health premiums 9 have democrat governors and 7 have Republican governors. So your comment may be flawed.

CA democrat
CO democrat
CT democrat
District of Columbia democrat
Florida Republican
Indiana Republican
NM Republican
NY democrat
OH Republican
Oregon democrat
RI democrat
SD Republican
VA Republican
VT democrat
Washington democrat
Wisconsin Republican

@This one: Dimwit, If the government is going to add 30,000,000 people to the health care system when the 30,000,000 are not going to pay, then wouldn’t it make sense that all of the premiums for the rest of us go up? Did you think that there is anything free?

I was talking to a school teacher (Liberal for sure) and she told me she had got a $50K grant to study class sizes or something critical. I asked her if she thought that was a good use of our tax dollars? She replied that she didn’t use tax dollars it was free money from the government! And they are teaching our kids!!!

@enchanted:

So….provide your source. My ‘quick’ study says 11 states a showing premiums decreasing.

@Pete:

So…in your mind, helping people live is a disaster? Nice.

@Randy: I didn’t parrot. I sourced by post. Nice try.

@This one:
Obamacare is not helping people live, troll. Obamacare does not provide health care. It will not decrease the number of uninsured, according to the CBO, and will only raise costs. I already posted three separate, nonpropaganda websites showing obamacare is responsible for loss of fulltime positions and medical insurance, meaning it is not helping save lives. As an intensive care physician I actually do have the privilege of saving lives almost every day, so I am hardly opposed to doing so. Thinkprogress is not a reliable source, as it is nothing but a leftist propaganda mill.

@Pete: Compared to the quite matter-of-fact title of “Health Care Premiums to Increase Up to 125% in Wisconsin Due to Obamacare” that’s been pretty much busted as being inaccurate fear mongering and that came from the Walker administration?? Oh, and of course backed up by a Fox News anchor? Reliable?

@Pete: Ah….as was mentioned here already, 300,000 are now covered who weren’t before. Troll.

@This one:

for your reading pleasure.- there are many more but you get the drift.

http://news.heartland.org/editorial/yes-virginia-obamacare-already-raising-your-insurance-premiums

I did miss ME in the initial run down which does have a Republican governor. That adds one more Republican to make it 8 and still 9 democrat governors.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/357728/no-its-not-complicated-obamacare-increases-premiums-most-people-avik-roy

http://watchdog.org/98930/fl-insurance-premiums-will-increase-exponentially-under-obamacare/

http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/news/economy/obamacare-premiums/index.html

http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/charliesykes/222316461.html

As an aside, there are about 30 million without health insurance now. Under obamacare there will be about 30 million without health care insurance. Except for the idea of control and making everyone eventually go under a single payer, I don’t see the point.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-will-leave-30-million-uninsured

@Pete: You seem to prefer to change dialog to diatribe and then somehow claim some victory, or, something.

But when you say things like “the law(ACA) was forced down our throats in the dead of night by democrats”, it’s seriously hard to give an iota of credence to anything you say as you come across as a blind partisan hack regurgitating outright lies (or abject ignorance) which has been debunked over and over again.

Simply because Fox News screenwriters worked overtime to see how many times they could fit “rammed” or “forced” down our throats “in the middle of the night” doesn’t make it true. This is indeed a blaring example of the right repeating a known lie until it’s excepted as the truth.

Let’s be clear and honest. Democrats and Obama ran their campaign with a promise of reforming health care. That campaign won them both chambers of Congress as well as the White House. Consistent fact checkers document the bipartisan aspects of the health reform bill the committee passed July 15, 2009, its final bill included “161 Republican amendments,” including “several amendments from Senators [Mike] Enzi [R-WY], [Tom] Coburn [R-OK], [Pat] Roberts [R-KS] and others [that] make certain that nothing in the legislation will allow for rationing of care,” and reflected the efforts of “six bipartisan working groups” that “met a combined 72 times” in 2009 as well as “30 bipartisan hearings on health care reform” since 2007, half of which were held in 2009 [HELP Committee document, 7/09]. And according to the Senate Finance Committee’s September 22, 2009, document detailing the amendments to the Chairman’s Mark considered, at least 13 amendments sponsored by one or more Republican senators were included in the bill.

Also, the law was enacted in March of 2010, about 26 months after Dems were elected. They spent considerable time and capital on the bill. So again, the law was passed the House from representatives who ran on a promise of reform. It passed the Senate who ran on a promise of reform. It was signed by the President who ran on a promise of reform. It was given considerable time for debate and incorporated many provisions and amendments from the opposition. It then was upheld by the Supreme Court.

The blindness of the right never ceases to amaze me as you seem so quick to see what you want. Let’s forget the arguments of the law for a moment and focus on your attack of how it was elected. Despite evidence to the contrary, so many on the right seem to believe the opposite, simply I suppose, because they don’t like the law.

Now, remember that Wisconsin/Scott Walker issue of changing the laws on Union bargaining (and again, let’s put aside how we feel about the rights and wrongs of the law). The state GOP controlled House, Senate, and Governor who actually ran their campaigns as being Union friendly with no intentions of changing the law, literally defied the electorate, shut the opposition completely out (forcing them to leave state in order to try to postpone such a drastic move), refused to entertain a single amendment from the left, rushed the bill through in 2 days, and basically flipped off the tens if not hundreds of thousands of protesters who have taken to the streets.

I remember pointing this out to so many Obama bashers because they were crying foul by repeating the Fox News meme of having “Obamacare forced down our throats” yet they felt that the Wisconsin bill was somehow fair game, justified, or fell into some reasonable form of legislation.

I’m not really trying to change the subject here but rather demonstrate how difficult it is to have an intelligent discussion with someone so overly indulged in the kool-aid. You’ve ignored all relevant arguments while repeating debunked nonsense. And I suspect that regardless of the facts, you’ll still likely stand behind your “throat ramming” talking point, simply because it suits you agenda. And while I don’t know your take on the Walker ordeal, I’m sure you’d side against my argument as well.

@Aqua: I’m just curious, if you don’t link to conservative sources and don’t want “liberal” sources, well, what else is left? What is construed as an unbiased and credible source?

It’s interesting that you know of no one that liked the previous health care system yet know of no one that likes ACA. I quite often” test the waters” of people of all walks when the opportunity arises. From what I’ve gathered, people really don’t care or they really have no clue. Some have even asked “why, did it pass?”. Among those that are opposed, very few can give a reason and if you keep the conversation alive, it often leads back to not liking Obama or “he wasn’t born here” and I’ve even encountered a few “n—-r in the White House” comments. The only people that seem to have a coherent argument are those from the medical field and I’d say 6 out of 10 say that it isn’t liberal enough to suit them.

@Aqua: Thanks for responding and your perspective of what’s credible and what’s not. That seems to be hard to clarify at FA. Granted, I wouldn’t expect you to take something as fact simply because it’s Rachel Maddow’s opinion. It’s interesting that you invoked The Heritage Foundation as this very blog had a thread assigning credibility to their polling that Americans overwhelmingly want an all out ACA repeal. The thing is, their very mission statement and #1 objective is an all out ACA repeal and their poll #s came from conservative districts based on slanted questions. And on that same thread, I was chastised for the credibility of my links. Too funny.

I can’t speak for your personal health care providers but Forbes say doctors continue to support it, as does the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Family Physicians. And of course, nurse practitioners in mass groves support it for obvious reason (new business, the untapped uninsured). But I suppose my point was that from what I’m hearing, John Q. Public really doesn’t care (unless they adamantly hate Obama which doesn’t make a huge difference anyway as he’s not running for reelection). So I think all this repeal and the “sky’s falling” from the right isn’t going to help them much at the polls.

As far as leaving it all up to the states, I think it’s a bit bigger than that. Health care is one of the biggest drivers of our deficit. Major insurers pretty much have everyone by the balls as they can simply quit doing business in states that don’t kowtow to them. There is indeed a national interest issue here. This reminds me of the EPA argument that it should be left up to the states. The problem is, assuming Ohio had very corporate friendly laws ad did little to enforce them, toxins dumped in Cincinnati Ohio would flow to Louisville KY and then to Evansville IN and then to St Louis MO and the to….. Sometimes, Feds are just needed to protect the well being of the country.

The SCOTUS did indeed uphold the major provisions of the law.

@Ronald J. Ward:

Your projection of your kool-aid drinking propensity is classic Alinsky-ite tactics.

All your argylbargyl about republican amendments to obamacare demonstrates either your deliberate need to mischaracterize history, or your inability to comprehend it.

Republican amendments to the debacle of obamacare, by any honest analysis, were attempts by republicans to lessen the damage this socialist monstrosity was going to cause. At the time, the dems controlled both houses of Congress, and the GOP couldn’t stop obamacare even if every single republican voted against it….which they did when the vote came up in December 2010…which you conveniently don’t comment on that fact. Because Scott Brown won the Massachusetts Senate Seat in the 2010 election, and the republicans were voted into control of the House in the November 2010 elections, Reid and Pelosi had to push to get obamacare passed before Senator-elect Brown and the new republican majority could be could be sworn in, which would have prevented the passage of obamacare. Reid held the Senate in session over the traditional Christmas holiday to force the senate vote. The dems had to enact the ‘Louisiana Purchase’ and the ‘Cornhusker Kickback’ to get two democrat senators to vote in favor of the horrendous bill that none of the legislators even took the time to read. Pelosi’s idiotic statement that “We have to pass the bill to see what is in it…” shows that the dems just wanted to get the bill passed while they still held control of both houses of Congress. That is the context of obamacare being passed in December 2010 before the Dems lost control of the house and their filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

See…you leftists don’t want to talk about the context of historical events because it interferes with your compulsive need to think you are doing something good (even when you aren’t) and to feed your delusion that you are part of something bigger and more important than yourselves. Frankly, your “Fox News is BAAAAAD” bleating says far more about your credibility than my classifying what Obama, Reid and Pelosi did as ramming obamacare down our throats. The majority of Americans did not want obamacare, and that has only gotten worse over time. Again, simply because you claim you have debunked what I have said doesn’t make your statement any more accurate than Obama’s claims that his plan would lower health care costs, not increase taxes, nor prevent you from keeping your doctor and your insurance plan.

We have gone round and round on this point numerous times, though you steadfastly refuse to answer (much less acknowledge the questions, because you have no credible refutation), but if obamacare was going to have such a whizbang wonderful effect on the economy, why are the provisions like employer mandate and copay caps being delayed until AFTER the 2014 elections? Why are companies cutting employee hours and finding ways to cut health insurance coverage prior to the full implementation of obamacare? Why are the unions hollering about the negative impacts of obamacare, and demanding government subsidies (ie TAXPAYERS) to cover the cost of the unions’ health care? How does adding 15,000 new IRS agents but not a single new physician increase access to actual medical care? How does adding layer upon layer of government non-medical bureaucrats into the mix have any chance of cutting the cost of medical care?

And your temper tantrum over Governor Walker allegedly going against the will of the people isn’t supported by the polls…including the one where he and the GOP controlled state legislature won the recall election on which the union thugs wasted so much money.

Leftists don’t like history, unless they can twist it for propaganda purposes. You can keep doing your little smug self rhetoric to comfort your bruised progressive ego, it really doesn’t bother me. I am quite satisfied knowing the unvarnished historical truth.

@Greg:

But…..Obama promised premiums would all go down, didn’t he? So what is with this “average 24% increase” stuff?

@Ronald J. Ward:

I already addressed the AMA and the fact that only a small number of physicians are members, but here is a nice review of why groups like the AMA and the AAFP support socialist garbage like obamacare:
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/why-the-ama-endorses-obamacare-but-your-doctor-does-not/

Your claim the “doctors” support obamacare, based on the Forbes article, is not exactly accurate. The aforementioned doctors GROUPS support obamacare, but not necessarily doctors.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2013/07/17/doctors-still-back-obamacares-individual-mandate-despite-emboldened-gop/

As to whether or not the AMA represents the opinion of doctors, from USA Today (hardly a conservative propaganda piece)
An online survey in September by the Jackson & Coker physician recruitment firm — based on 1,611 doctors who chose to respond — reflected that the majority of doctors don’t believe that the AMA represents their views. The primary reason: the AMA’s support of the legislation. Just 13% of those surveyed backed the Affordable Care Act.

Here’s the link to the entire USA Today article: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-01-18/doctors-obama-health-reform-ppaca/52650852/1

And to get another idea of what doctors think about the effects of obamacare: http://www.humanevents.com/2012/03/15/doctors-hate-obamacare-even-more-than-you-do/

The Doctors Company, which is the largest insurer of physician and surgeon medical liability in the nation, received more than 5,000 surveys, including all specialties and every region in the country. The results weren’t good for the President’s signature piece of legislation.

Obamacare doesn’t just discourage entrance into the medical profession; it encourages those who are already practicing to leave it. The survey states that “health care reform is motivating doctors to change their retirement timeline.” In fact, 43 percent of respondents said they are considering retiring within the next five years as a result of the law. A surgeon from Michigan wrote that under Obamacare, “We will be moving further away from humanity-based health care and more towards the patient as a commodity. This was not the way my father practiced—nor will I. Winding down to retire early.”

Now, this next link is to a piece written by Dr. Marc Siegel, a Fox news medical commentator, so I realize you leftists will seethe against what he is saying….but interestingly enough he is saying the same thing that the other NON-Fox links I have included are saying.

http://nypost.com/2012/10/16/why-doctors-hate-obamacare/

I realize that not all physicians agree on anything, much less this monstrosity of obamacare. But there is overwhelming evidence that the body of working physicians is, in the majority, opposed to obamacare regardless of what the AMA or the AAFP, or the AAP leadership put out. The fact that the AMA has gone from 75% of doctors being members in the 1950s to somewhere between 15-18% today should glaringly show that most physicians do not support the political positions of those purported physician groups.

Obamacare is a disaster for patients and physicians. The only people who benefit are the politicians who gain their power from frightening the uneducated and the foolish “rainbows-n-unicorns” crowd into the insane belief that the government controlling the medical care system is a good and ‘fair’ idea, and that only meany-poopyhead conservatives who want your poor grandmother to die would oppose “free” health care.

That is why Obama had to lie to get it passed, and why he and his supporters are continuing to lie now.

@Greg:

Typical emotional ploys garnished by arrogant leftist drivel. You can go pound sand with your STFU nonsense. You leftists crammed a nonworkable, asinine law in the waning days of your control of congress without even reading the damn bill, and now you act like it is everyone else’s job to make this shit sandwich taste good? Hardly.

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/toward-real-health-care-reform

Here is a “balanced” opinion piece (I describe it that way because I detest the intellectual concept that medical care is a “right” rather than a privilege, and the authors of this piece who are obviously opposed to obamacare, still insist on the premise that there needs to be some kind of government provision of health care to those who do not earn it nor have the common sense to plan for the potential medical emergencies that can occur in one’s life.)

You and your kind, Greg, have this bizarre idea that you have a right to force other people to take on your emotional burdens. You think it gives you a right to literally steal from others to pay for things that you believe everyone should have a ‘right’ to. You believe that your collective has the right to force people to provide goods and services at below market value, all so you can feel sanctimonious that everyone is getting ‘free’ medical care.

Until someone invents a machine that can produce endless quantities of medical equipment and supplies out of thin air – to include robot physicians who do not have their own bills to pay, families for whom to provide, and who never need to sleep – there will never be “free” medical care.

I have mentioned before the idiocy of leftists screaming out against evil insurance company profiteering as the reason behind the rise in medical care costs, all while insisting that giving government control of health care will bring costs down. There are only two ways for the government to bring costs down…rationing of care, and price controls. Being a leftist, you seem to believe that having some obnoxious jerk like Ezekiel Emmanuel calculate the mathematical value of your life to society in order to decide if the state will sanction your receipt of medical resources is a better system than private medical insurance that you obtain without government involvement. The insane devotion to the misrepresentation of egalitarianism used by leftists (everyone gets the same…except the political overlords, of course) always works the same way…with shortages of resources impacting all the proles. True equality of opportunity, by the intrinsic beauty of freedom, means there will not be equality of outcomes. However, unleashing the engine of human nature by rewarding hard work increases the available resources for all. It is far better to positively motivate people rather than dictatorially mandate the division up of leftover scraps from the table of political spoils upon which the apparatachiks have already engorged themselves.

@Ronald J. Ward:
Again, Ronald, your projection is laughable.

I admit to being angry about how Obama and his ilk have been able to lie so brazenly to abject fools like you, leading to the destruction of the most effective and innovative medical care system in the world. See, unlike you I work in the medical system and recognize how insane the socialist takeover of our medical care system is. People will be victimized while know-nothing political opportunists will continue to pretend that Santa Obama can make medical care appear out of thin air at no cost to anyone who isn’t “rich”.
2012 ended the way it did because RINOS gave us a northeastern RINO whose candidacy prevented the appropriate attacks on obamacare, since he enacted Romneycare as a governor. The upcoming election I. 2014 is not going to result in a dem takeover of the house, and there is every reason to believe the GOP will pick up seats in the senate, particularly if Obama continues to be such an incompetent fool.
And I notice, in classic leftist fashion, you can’t address the points or answer legitimate questions because to do so challenges the leftist worldview with the sheer mass of its inconsistencies. Of course that would require integeity in the leftist, rather than the progressive kneejerk trademark “2 minute hate” response.
Righteous anger against liars propagandizing for programs that will absolutely harm those the liars profess to care about is a virtue.