Ahhh….the left. Always truthers:
Or how about this bit of trutherism…a CBS employee reported the gofundme campaign that has raised 800k ‘just because’
https://twitter.com/alixbryan/status/583415107188830208
When challenged why she report the campaign if she had no evidence of fraud she said:
https://twitter.com/alixbryan/status/584039406052495360
Yup, it’s totally acceptable.
I mean this small time pizzeria in a small town Just had to have planned all this. Genius I tell ya.
let me tell you what really happened.
Once upon a time there was an evil pizzeria that catered to the lowest form of religious bigotry. They waited for years, opening the store almost a decade ago. They knew that the gays were coming. And they wanted to put a stop to it. Or, at least, to capitalize financially off of it. And when Indiana passed its RFRA law, they saw their chance.
Oh, sure, we think that the local news reporter “just happened” to drive some 20 miles to find a pizza joint that was itching to deny service to gay people. But that’s a pretty big coincidence, don’t you think? How do we know she didn’t get an anonymous tip? How do we know that this reporter wasn’t in on the con? Simple answer: we don’t. OPEN YOUR EYES, SHEEPLE. CONNECT THE DOTS.
So then the reporter airs her report, the headline of which very misleadingly suggests the pizza joint would never want to serve gay people their delicious pies. (Was this sloppiness or intentional misdirection designed to gin up outrage—and thus a money-making backlash to the outrage? You decide.) There was much anger as entirely just warriors for goodness suggested we calmly burn the witch and her family’s business to the ground and others made death threats. Their Yelp page was defaced by good people doing good work. These bigots were named and shamed, called out and ruined!
But here’s where the really devious part of the grift kicked in. It was all a con. A con designed to rake in money from similarly minded bigots, of which there is no end in America. And the con worked! The family made hundreds of thousands of dollars via Go Fund Me.
Sonny Bunch’s description above is in jest as he laughs, along with myself, at the idiocy of these truthers.
They just can’t seem to wrap there heads around the fact that their attacks went too far so to explain it all it just HAD to be a conspiracy. Just to make themselves feel better about their attacks.
A gay marriage supporters wonders what they have wrought:
What do white evangelicals, Muslims, Mormons, blacks, conservative Republicans, and immigrants from Africa, South America, and Central America all have in common? They’re less likely to support gay marriage than the average Californian. Over the years, I’ve patronized restaurants owned by members of all those groups. Today, if I went out into Greater Los Angeles and chatted up owners of mom-and-pop restaurants, I’d sooner or later find one who would decline to cater a gay wedding. The owners might be members of Rick Warren’s church in Orange County. Or a family of immigrants in Little Ethiopia or on Olvera Street. Or a single black man or woman in Carson or Inglewood or El Segundo.
Should we destroy their livelihoods?
If I recorded audio proving their intent to discriminate against a hypothetical catering client and I gave the audio to you, would you post it on the Internet and encourage the general public to boycott, write nasty reviews, and drive them out of business, causing them to lay off their staff, lose their life savings, and hope for other work? If that fate befell a Mormon father with five kids or a childless Persian couple in their fifties or a Hispanic woman who sunk her nest egg into a pupusa truck, should that, do you think, be considered a victory for the gay-rights movement?
Before this week, I’d have guessed that few people would’ve considered that a victory for social justice. And I’d have thought that vast majorities see an important distinction between a business turning away gay patrons—which would certainly prompt me to boycott—and declining to cater a gay wedding. I see key distinctions despite wishing everyone would celebrate gay marriage and believing Jesus himself would have no problem with a baker or cook acting as a gay-wedding vendor. A restaurant that turned away all gay patrons would be banning them from a public accommodation every day of their lives. It might unpredictably or regularly affect their ability to meet a business client or dine with coworkers or friends. It would have only the most dubious connection to religious belief.
Whereas declining to cater a gay wedding affects people on one day of their life at most, denies them access to no public accommodation, and would seem to signal discomfort with the institution of same-sex marriage more than animus toward gay people (so long as we’re still talking about businesses that gladly serve gays). I also suspect that the sorts of businesses that are uncomfortable catering a hypothetical gay wedding aren’t uniquely averse to events where same-sex couples are celebrating nuptials. I’d wager, for example, that they’d feel a religious obligation to refrain from catering an art exhibition filled with sacrilegious pieces like Piss Christ, the awards ceremony for pornography professionals, a Planned Parenthood holiday party, or a Richard Dawkins speaking engagement.
A faction of my fellow gay-marriage proponents see things differently.
I’m 100% sure that if this had been a black Ethiopian run business there would of been no attacks. They come from the ‘victim class’ after all so just give them a pass.
White Christians?
They deserve what they get.
Which now, thanks to that ‘faction of gay marriage proponents’, will be lots of money.
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I think the Grift twist on this story is BS. Another fantasy brought to us by the left.
At this point the webpage has raised $842,387.
The owner says they plan to reopen soon, so you’d best get those donations sent in quickly before the financial catastrophe inflicted on them is over. (Possibly they were going to be closed Good Friday through Easter anyway. I guess that means they’ll have taken about a week off. And it turns out that the gay wedding they publicly announced they would refuse to cater was entirely hypothetical to begin with.)
There you have it, folks. That is a prime example of how the left twists the truth to fit with their agenda. Never mind that the reporter sought the pizzeria owners out, not the other way around, and probably due to the fact that they had a sign that publically announced that they prayed every day, they were asked if they would cater a gay wedding.
Gullible Greggie just affirmed that leftists/progressives are miserable, despicable people.
one million dollars
perhaps at some time in the future the radical right will be able to use this as an example of how much more they contribute to worthy charities and people in need
@Greg:
Why, Greg, should they suffer one nickel loss due to this? This is left wing fascim at its finest (perhaps that is redundant) and I am more than pleased that this family and business is reaping perhaps a benefit 100 times greater than their loss, particularly if it irritates the left to the point that they spend their valuable time (time they could be using to bury stories of Obama failures or Hillary incompetence) creating fantastic, unbelievable lies to justify trying to run a small, privately-owned business into the ground.
The left is stupid, Greg, and the only way the left advances its cause and agenda is through means no sane or civil person would imagine.
I think this is yet another example of how often the Left eats its own.
The gay activist faction of the Left instigated this very action as directly as if it had set up the GoFundMe themselves.
Then, another faction of the Left began a Twitter campaign by noting how people on the Right who have more than two nickles to rub together will give cash to a victim of the Left.
Those early posters seemed to be more like Occupiers who want to redistribute all ”extra” money anyone might have to themselves.
After many of those posts on Twitter yet another group of Leftists added on with their conspiracy theories about how it all must have been a sham for money by savvy pizza place owners.
Look into her eyes folks.
She’s no genius, but she can help run a little pizza shop.
Now how will the Left ever rehabilitate itself?
Will agreeing with them on the redistribution scheme or the conspiracy scheme be a new litmus test for potential Dem Presidential Candidates?
Gosh, I hope so.
I’d love to see another McGovern who lost 49 states for his radical views.
@Greg:
yes, but it sure fooled a bunch of lefties into issuing all kinds of threats, which they now know ‘hurt’ their own cause by showing the kind of bigots that lefties and gays really are.
Unintended consequences at its finest, that is the story of this effort at creating a modern day Crystal Nacht.
Let us ask how many of Leftists could open their doors with confidence, after receiving death threats and threats to burn a business down, let alone the insignificant threats of boycott and of the intimidation of low-wage employees. Yes, this was one of the Left’s finer moments and it blew up in their face. Perhaps they will get smarter with their threats and efforts to limit free speech; until no business has the audacity to express their religious beliefs in public. When we reach that point in time, we will have reached the point where the freedom to express your beliefs and the freedom of speech itself will come to an end. Oh what a glorious day when the public lives in terror of breaking the unwritten laws of conforming to politically correct ideas. Shame on America for thinking you can deviate from Obama’s concepts of how we should live. We must remember: Immorality is moral & Morality is immoral; Stupidity is good & Free thought is evil. Learn the correct way to think and act or suffer the consequences you dolts: Obama is the way, and the light from darkness and depravity. Buy your woman a burqa and learn the gibberish in the Koran and Obama will love you like one of his children. A Nuclear Iran will someday light up the entire Middle East and most of Europe and they will never be in darkness again, not even at night.
@Bill:
I could as easily ask why they should rake in over $800,000 for making a statement that many people perceive as a personal attack on their sexual orientation. “Should” doesn’t seem to have much to do with anything.
Have the GOP and their approved churches now successfully purged all gay people from their midst? I wasn’t aware that being gay automatically turned a person into a non-Christian or a left-wing radical.
@Greg:
First, I’ll address the financial gain. They deserve the money to show the fascist left that they cannot intimidate people into relinquishing their principles (whether right or wrong or if you agree with them or not). They deserve the money because it pisses off the left. Seeing the left have some of their fascism shoved right back up their asses is worth a million bucks.
Now, to address this “perception”. The left perceives a lot of “personal attack” where there is none and misses many where they actually are. For instance, right here there was NO personal attack, yet the left “perceived” one and blew it into dangerous proportions (replete with threats of violence). But, this tale does indeed have a personal threat within it and it is from the left, threatening Memories Pizza unless they subscribe to liberal-think and, implicitly, threatening any other individuals or businesses that do the same.
No, Greg, as a matter of fact, they haven’t. There’s never been an intention or an attempt to do so. That’s what the left does, Greg; exclude or vilify those who are different. And being gay has nothing to do with creating the dementia we are discussing. Being liberal does.
You miss the way things work, Greg.In the ”real world,” people do things based on their own best interests.
I discovered Chick Fil A when there was an outpouring of support for them after a boycott was announced by the Left.
Their food is terrific!
You should try it if you haven’t yet.
As to pizza, I only eat pizza I make myself.
But this family owned place has become ground zero because one owner answered a HYPOTHETICAL question.
The pizza place had never actually refused service to any homosexuals.
The easily offended homosexuals of our society needs to grow thicker skin.
Here, as opposed to in 47+ countries on earth, they can live in the open without fear of arrest or mob action.
@Greg:
And therein lies the problem with being a leftist, Gullible Greggie. Christians don’t object to homosexuals, they object to the acts of homosexual behavior. Now I realize that is very difficult for you to understand, to separate the person from the act, but that is the Christian belief. Christians believe in redemption, and the formula is simple; go and sin no more.
And yes, any person who participates in homosexual acts are non-Christians, just as are drunkards, thieves, adulterers, idolaters and rapists (to list a few).
@retire05:
That’s my reasoning when I said that Christian churches do not perform same sex weddings. Since a marriage is one man- one woman, the same sex ceremony would be a Non Christian act in a Non Christian church. I’m not the judge of whether church’s are Christian or not, they are.
Liberal Heads Explode as Donations Top $840,000 for Memories Pizza
The GoFundMe campaign for Memories Pizza topped $840,000 today.
pizzeria donations
Of course, the left is suffering a full-blown meltdown over the success of the campaign.
One loon, Kandyce Brothers, managed to accuse the GoFundMe site of being a “Koch” conspiracy and “dirty GOP trick” where all those rich conservatives donated an average of $29,000 each.
Here is her response:
Kandyce Brothers gogfundme raised just over 840k with almsot 30,000 donors. do the math that would make each donor giving approx almost $29,000.00?????? ooooh come on now that anyone belieces this wasnt a dirty GOP trick to garner support for conservatives. This was koch brothers funded and media manipulated to make liberabls look extremely bad. The right wing propaganda machin strikes again
Obviously, Kandyce is no math whiz.
kandyce
We did the math, Kandyce… $840,000 divided by 29,000 donors comes out to around $29 each.
But good luck moving forward on your life path.
@Bill:
Not only is the left “stupid” but their supporters are abject IDIOTS
Today Jonah Goldberg borrows a word coined by by Francis Fukuyama.
Megalothymia.
It boils down to a compulsive need to feel superior to others.
The Left reeks of it.
A strong sense of moral superiority without the morals!
That does describe these anti-Memories Pizza jerks and those in the streets against the same law Bill Clinton signed years ago.
This whole response to the laws and the Pizza place reminded me of how rare it was for even the Bible to have an example this bad that relates to a mob like this.
But there is ONE example in Scripture: Lot and his family had invited angels into their home.
A mob from Sodom gathered outside Lot’s home and insisted on the angels being brought out so these immoral men could rape them.
@Nanny G: The left has to try and maintain that air of superiority in order to try and make it so. They cannot PROVE it so through successful accomplishments so they have to vilify and demean anyone that disputes their superiority. Eventually, just like the assumption that Democrats have always fought for civil rights and equality while Republicans have fought against them have become “fact” due to constant and persistent propaganda, do does an assumption that the “if this intelligent, Nobel laureate says it is so, it must be so” myth becomes reality.
Those who know otherwise simply have to keep throwing inconvenient reality in their stupid, arrogant faces. The damned media sure won’t do its job.
@Greg
Do you want to know why I kicked in $10. It’s quite simple really. It was to raise a nice large middle finger to you idiots and your hate. Helping out a family that has been seriously wronged by a bunch of your fellow idiots is a bonus.
@upChuck.Liberals, #18:
I can’t see your finger from here. Maybe you should have sent $20.
The O’Conners unwisely made a public statement on television that they should have known would offend a lot of people. A lot of people predictably took offense, and responded by publicly saying things back.
I suppose we can all thank the O’Conners for promptly advising Indiana state legislators exactly how their new “religious freedom” law would be interpreted and applied.
I don’t particularly hate anybody. Can you say the same?
No they didn’t. A reporter mischaracterized what they said. What they said is that if someone from another religion or a gay couple came into their restaurant, they would have no problem serving them, but they would not cater a gay wedding.
That should not be a problem with anyone. Why should someone be forced to participate in a ceremony that they object to? Why would anyone couple want someone that didn’t approve of their marriage participating in that marriage?
http://lasvegas.suntimes.com/las-politics-government/7/104/141560/reporter-who-attacked-memories-pizza-faces-twitter-facebook-backlash
@Greg:
Yeah, that’s why they were singled out and asked the question. Their problem is, they are honest and not ashamed of their views. They are not like some politicians we could mention that lie about their positions until they desperately need an issue to rally support around, then “evolve” from their formerly held position.
Yeah, saying things back like “I am going to burn your business down” or lying about them on reviews to damage their business. You know, typical liberal stuff. As Harry Reid promotes, the ends justifies the lies.
Barronelle Stutzman, a Christian florist, referred her friend and long-time customer to other florists because she could not in good conscience provide full wedding support for a same-sex wedding. Although the couple received flowers, the Washington State Attorney General, and later, the same-sex couple, sued Barronelle.
The court found her liable for violating the Washington Law Against Discrimination and ruled that both the state and the couple may collect damages and attorneys’ fees from Barronelle’s business and personal assets.
Now THAT’S depressing. How’d you like to be sued by one of your long-time friends? What happened was that after Mrs. Stutzman refused to do his wedding, the customer complained on social media, which resulted in it coming to the attention of the state attorney general, who then took it upon herself to initiate the lawsuit against her. Then the customer and his partner piled on with their own lawsuit, which targeted Mrs. Stutzman personally as well as her business. Because apparently there’s nothing more dangerous than a 70-year-old florist who refuses to do a homosexual wedding. She must be bullied into acquiescence, or bankruptcy.
Mrs. Stutzman’s GoFundMe account, set up by Alliance Defending Freedom, the legal organization that is helping her mount a defense, is over $80,000 $85,000 $89,000 now, so good job, all. Hopefully she’ll make the $100,000 goal.”
So the state’s attorney general was perusing social media looking for what he considered civil rights violations? Yeah, that should make all Americans feel secure, right?
Of course, in this case the plaintiff’s right to demand services based on his sexual preferences trumped the florist shop owner’s right to her religious beliefs. How is that not turning the First Amendment squarely on its head? Again, Christians are being told to keep their religious faith inside the doors of their churches, and how dare they extend those beliefs to their personal every day business practices?
YOU WILL BE MADE TO CARE. And if you don’t comply, you will lose your job, be threatened with harm. or be sued into bankruptcy. And don’t dare call those actions fascism.
@Greg: 19
Just for the hell of it, let’s break this statement down to it’s essential elements. ” The O’Conners(the straights) unwisely(or unknowingly) made a public statement on television that they should have known(or maybe thought some would understand) would offend(or be truthful and honest and actually state how they felt) a lot of people.” A lot of people predictably took offense(or saw the opportunity to make a buck), and responded by publicly saying things back.(that they knew that A lot of people would predictably took offense How ever, being lefties, they figured it is their ‘right’ to make people with principles and morals take offense, while not wanting their ‘widdle feelings’ to be hurt.
I think that analyzes it about right.
@Redteam:
Basically, George seems to be of the opinion that while he has the right to purchase a product from any merchant of his choice, he doesn’t support full equality because he doesn’t think the merchant has the right to sell to any customer of their choice. True equality means that every individual gets to make their own choices in their lives, just as he has.
Remember when I asked this question of George?
George said:
I asked: Perhaps you would like to explain what benchmarks the SCOTUS set for the determination of knowing someone is gay?
He came back with some babble about “declaration”. Now, it is beyond my imagination why I would declare my religious beliefs to some merchant while trying to buy tomato plants or a donut, but obviously George thinks that there is a requirement of gays to “declare” their sexual preferences in all instances. Perhaps that is so they can simply pour fuel on a non-existing fire. I can just see George going into a Krispy Kreme shop and saying “Hi. I’m gay and I want a chocolate covered cake donut.” As soon as he left the donut shop, the sales staff would be laughing at him, not because he is queer, but because he is a loon.
There has never been a case of discrimination against any gay in Indiana, yet the left jumped on the state like a June bug to make the state look bad.
@retire05: Wonder what would happen if someone gay demanded a catered wedding by someone that didn’t want to cater them, but the gays insisted because they were so highly recommended. Then when the Cake showed up it had some ‘gay’ quotation on it and the Napkins had ‘Queer and proud of it” printed on them. Would they commend the caterer on their taste or would they criticize for ‘their taste’.
@Redteam, #23:
I think it’s interesting that Mr. O’Conner states he made a decision to be heterosexual. Perhaps having to consciously make a such a decision at some point and the gender insecurity that results accounts for some people’s need to assertively reject a different decision made by others.
Most people’s gender orientation is probably a predisposition that exists from birth, resulting from prenatal androgen levels in the womb. The same factor is thought to account for the correlation between gender orientation and comparative index- and ring-finger length. I won’t post a link to the study, as it might suddenly come to mind and make some conservatives feel insecure about their gender identity when they dial in an order for pizza. As you can see from their fingers in the photo at the top of the page, Curly, Moe, and Larry are clearly model heterosexuals.
@Greg: I wonder, what does all that have to do with the penchant of the left to create controversy then viciously attack people they have dragged into the center of said controversy? Why are liberals so vindictively scummy?
@Bill, #27:
The O’Connors placed themselves at the center of the controversy by making controversial statements on television. Does the right honestly expect to be able to publicly express opinions regarding such hot-button social issues and have no one answer them back? Whacking a hornet nest with a broom generally produces a predictable result.
@Greg:
No, Greg. They did not. They were sought out for reason of their faith and asked the question. Their answer was absolutely nothing for them to be ashamed of because they were denying service to no one. Why do you think they should not have answered the questions they were asked? They did not, after all, seek out the reporter and express their opinion. They were sought out, and sought out for this very reason. It’s what the left does.
The leftist media swatted the hornets nest, then left the O’Conner’s to take the brunt of the swarm. Again, it’s what the left does. For lack of an actual controversy, they create one. Memories merely said they would not cater a gay wedding. They also said they would be happy to serve anyone of any persuasion in their restaurant.
All the left wants is someone to attack and vilify. Even if these people swore to never serve gays…. simply take your business elsewhere and tell all your friends that these people do not serve gays. But, no…. the left has to threaten to burn the place down and lie about them on review sites. Why, Greg? Why? Why are liberals such cabazas del Richardos?
@Greg:
Probably being the operative word you use when you really have no hard data. Scientists have been trying to discover the gay “gene” for decades with no success. But there have been other studies that show that the Stockholm Syndrome could (and I say “could”) be in play in a person’s sexual preferences as they reach adulthood.
No, the O’Connors were honest, something that seems to be hard to handle for your left wingers. They never refused service to any gay (as you tried to indicate in an earlier post) but they have no responsibility to cater a gay wedding; or any wedding, for that matter.
Of course. That’s the entire concept of the First Amendment, Gullible Greggie.
Why is it even a hornet’s nest? Simple; the gaystapo made it one. And they are going to see pushback they are not going to like. You have a right to be gay, Gullible Greggie. I have a CONSTITUTIONAL right to the free exercise of my religion.
Yep, you’re still an idiot.
@Greg:
You don’t even know the facts of the story.
We know Obama wants Christianity to be hid under a basket. ”Stay in your homes and churches with it!”
But what does the Bible say?
In your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.
Also, from the Sermon on the Mount:
Matthew 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others….
@Greg:from 26
That is not what he said. He said “I choose to be heterosexual”.
I had personally never thought a lot about it, but since it’s become such a hot topic, I am of the opinion that most homosexuals are homosexual because their brain was mis-wired before birth, ie., a birth defect. I certainly do believe that some are homosexual because they ‘choose’ to be, but that is likely a small minority.
So are you proposing that when a person approaches a wedding caterer, they should have to show the length of their fingers so the caterer will know what they are dealing with. Should a homosexual man have to prove that his index finger is longer than his ring finger before he can file a suit? Should a gay woman have to prove that her index finger is shorter than her ring finger to claim homosexual status?
@Bill:
Bill, it has to do with the length of their middle finger and where it’s been.
@Greg:
That’s not the issue. The left ‘creates’ the ‘hot button’ issue and creates a trip wire.
@retire05: 30
I think that search was useless from the beginning. The very fact that identical twins can be one straight and one homosexual should lay that to rest. The same can be said for”” resulting from prenatal androgen levels in the womb.””, it’s not likely that one identical twin could have a higher prenatal androgen level than the other twin. So they can put that in the dust bin also. Then look at what goes on in the development of a fetus that results in different personalities. One gay, one straight, One straight, one pedophile, one straight one bipolar, one straight, one serial killer, etc, etc. What is really interesting, if they can find out which wires are crossed and how that impacts index finger growth, then they may be able to make chemical balance changes in the placenta and eliminate all the birth defects. Wonder what this research has shown about the relationship of index finger length and pedophilia?
So now that it has been determined that all the social ills are caused by a chemical imbalance that effects index finger growth, we just have to determine if surgery to shorten or lengthen index fingers will change their sexual inclination. After all, apparently some people think you can change someone’s gender just through surgery. I haven’t heard if shortening or lengthening the index finger is part of the transgender surgery.
@Redteam:
Studies have been done on identical twins of the same sex where even their DNA tests are identical. One gay, one not. So it is not genetic, nor an accident of birth.
There have been some studies that claim that events in a child’s life can contribute to their sexual proclivity. One identical twin likes classical music, one likes rock. One likes to hunt and fish, one would rather read a book. Different things affect even identical twins differently. It’s the “nature vs. nurture” debate.
I personally don’t believe that any child is ever “born” gay. I believe it is “nurture” that drives some to that life style. And yes, it is a choice made for a reason that is only known to the person making that choice. Oddly enough, a high percentage of gay men were sexually abused as a child, much higher than the sexual abuse experienced by lesbians or heterosexuals. When that study, that lasted over 10 years, came out, the researcher had to go into hiding due to threats by the gastapo. Anything that disputes their “nature” argument cause them to become violent.
I also believe that homosexuality is a mental illness. It was listed as such in the DSM for years until the California gaystapo made so many threats against psychiatrists who attended the APA conference in San Francisco. A disease don’t just disappear without a cure, and homosexuality just disappeared as a mental illness, no cure.
@retire05:
As I said above, I think it is a mental defect. I’m not sure if you are equating mental illness with mental defect.
I don’t understand how, if it’s androgen level before birth, that one identical twin could have a different androgen level from the other. But, if the business about index finger length ratio is true, how could it not be from birth because I don’t think something happens after birth to change or effect finger length. I’m not sold on the index finger ratio being an ironclad indicator, and if it’s not iron clad, then it’s of no use at all.
I’m not a researcher on what causes homosexuality, but I don’t think that if I had worn a dress when I was young that it would have made me gay. Boys played together, girls played together and boys and girls played together.
while I have no problem that some gay men were abused, I would doubt that it would have been a ‘high’ percentage. I know of two people that I believe early sexual abuse caused them to be involved in homosexuality,, even tho I don’t think they ‘became homosexuals’, just men participating in homosexual acts with homosexual men. As I’ve said before, some men are absolutely born homosexual, everything about them is feminine from day one. I don’t believe heterosexuality ever enters their mind.
I only care about the subject because it seems important to the gay activists that society ‘like’ what gays do. They want to require straight people to make concessions to show that we really do like gay people and that we think it is fair that we have to give up our rights to make them happy. I have to bake a cake and put ‘gay’ phrases or words and two girls or two boys on their cake for them. They won’t have to respect my rights, but I will have to respect theirs.
As I said to George. At the end of the day, they will still be homosexual, I will still be heterosexual. They aren’t going to change that fact and I don’t have to like their sexual activities.
If they ‘think’ they are going to make ‘everyone’ accept it, let them try the same thing on Muslims.
@Redteam:
No, I’m not. A mental defect is something one is born with. Mental illness is acquired. A defect is generally not treatable. Mental illness is.
It’s been a while since I read the research paper, but I believe the percentage was over 50%, and that would be a high percentage.
Nope. One is not born gay. It violates every rule of nature. But tell me, Redteam; have you never known a feminine man who was heterosexual? I have. Many of them. Men who are thin, small framed and with delicate looks that reminds you of a woman? I had an uncle like that. His sisters used to tease him saying he was prettier than they were. Yet, he was one of the most masculine men I have ever know, a real WWII hero, who came home to have many kids and from the day he married her to the day he died, when his wife came into a room everyone else cease to exist for him, he was so in love with her. I have also known masculine women, but they were not gay.
I have told you from the beginning, same-sex marriage was NEVER the goal. Total, forced acceptance is. Gays, and leftists, will tell you they need to be a protected class. Well, that has worked out not so well for some of us before. If the left wants to shut down any criticism of the actions of some blacks, they immediately shout “racist” even if your concern is really about the destruction of the black family and the black community. It will be no different if gays are made a protected class. Their homosexuality will trump your First Amendment guaranteed religious rights. The cases we are seeing being brought against bakers and florists will not decrease, it will increase, until such time as you are no longer allowed to voice your religious beliefs in the public square.
@retire05:
There are many many animals that are homosexual. And I doubt they played with girls toys when they were young. I know one ‘feminine’ man that is married and has children. I believe he was born gay but chose to not live in the closet so he ‘chose’ to live a heterosexual life. I think, but am not sure, that i’ve known one person that was born straight but became homosexual. Even with that, he married a female and had children and lived mostly heterosexual life. All his homo activities were before he was 25 years of age, none afterward (that I know of). On the other hand, I know several persons, that there is not a chance in hell that they weren’t ‘born gay’. besides, if a person with a long index finger is gay, how do they change the length after they choose to be gay? I agree on the definitions of birth defect vs illness and I would put homosexuality into the birth defect category. The brain is simply not wired correctly. That’s the problem in pedophilia, serial killers, masochists, bipolar, etc. It may or may not be treatable, as bipolar. Serial killers can’t be changed, so I doubt gays can either.
@retire05: I am very disappointed in you. You have been posting on this blog for years, yet you seem to fail to understand that Greg can not understand the simplest concepts unless his liberal mentors spin it for him.
@retire05: I know that we never kept a female twin calf when born with a male twin, There is a mixing of hormones and cells within the first 40 days of gestation. They are called free martins. While this may not be wholly applicable to humans, there is a potential exchange of hormones and cells with the mother.
@Redteam:
Oh, I know. I’ve heard all the stories about penquins. But name one other species that actually sexually penetrates one of their own of the same sex..
And are we now to equate ourselves with animals? Shall we also start eating our young or running in packs preying on other animals as a food source?
@retire05: homosexuality may be natural but it is not normal.
@Bill:
Well, I think the percentage runs about the same as other mis-wired brains disorders. I haven’t looked at the numbers, but homosexuality is about 2%. I’ll bet pedophilia, bipolar, etc, run in the 2% or less range also.
@retire05 #24:
“There has never been a case of discrimination against any gay in Indiana.”
Wasn’t the case brought against the State of Indiana in Federal Court that resulted in the state’s Anti-Gay-Marriage law being overturned a matter of discrimination against gays?
Mindful of your propensity to twist about wildly in your efforts to mimic accuracy in what you report, let me remind you that the court found unjustified discrimination on the state’s part and ruled accordingly.
When “plausible deniability” is the best you can rustle up, you haven’t much at all.
@George Wells:
What case would that be?
@Bill #47:
Baskin v. Bogan.
@George Wells: Hmmm. However, even if “gay marriage” were recognized by the state, it is still an individual’s First Amendment RIGHT to disagree and NOT participate.
@George Wells:
This? From the guy who distorts and changes the words of others, and then bails on the thread where he is quoted distorting and changing the words of others? Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that statement? Shall I cut and paste your most recent distortions so that others can see exactly how you operate? You know, from the thread you abandoned when I showed Redteam what a liar you are?
In your example of Baskin vs. Bogan all you did was prove that when rejected by the people, gay activists run to the courts to impose their (your) will on others. You can’t force your queer agenda on the populace, so you do it by judicial fiat.
You’re a joke, George. A sad little man who has no purpose but to try to shove your gay agenda down the throats of others. You come here to defend your position, so I can only assume that deep in your conscience you know you are wrong but want to legitimize your actions to feel better about yourself. It ain’t workin’ George.