Curt wrote “Boehner Plans Amnesty Sellout To Pelosi” on 1 Dec 14. Vince wrote “Surrender: Why does anyone ever vote for the Republican Party – at least one run by Boehner & McConnell?” on 14 Dec 14. And Curt wrote “Floor Drama: Boehner Embarrassment As House Nearly Kills Omnibus On Procedural Vote” on 11 Dec 14. So Flopping Aces has done a good job of documenting John Boehner’s ineffectiveness as House speaker.
Not satisfied with the damage he’s already done, there’s this action by Boehner:
In the final days before the start of the new Congress, House Speaker John Boehner and the Republican establishment are quietly purging strong fiscal conservatives from prominent budget and finance committees.
Now today (2 Jan 15) we get evidence of just how dissatisfied with Boehner we conservatives are. In a national telephone poll conducted on 26-30 Dec 14 of 602 people who identified themselves as Republican voters and independents who lean Republican and voted Republican in 2014, the following results were obtained:
| Select John Boehner as House Speaker | |
|---|---|
| John Boehner, definitely | 11% |
| Boehner, probably | 15% |
| Someone new, definitely | 34% |
| Someone new, probably | 26% |
| Don’t Know/Undecided | 15% |
Notice that the “Someone new, definitely” category has the greatest response, and that the two “Someone new” categories comprise 60%, a clear majority.
Consider the responses to these statements:
| Speaker Boehner has been ineffective in opposing President Obama’s agenda. | |
|---|---|
| Strongly agree | 29% |
| Somewhat agree | 35% |
| Somewhat disagree | 15% |
| Strongly disagree | 9% |
| Don’t know/no response | 12% |
This means that 64% of us think Boehner is ineffective.
| House Speaker John Boehner has the best interests of the American public at heart, rather than special interests. | |
|---|---|
| Strongly agree | 9% |
| Somewhat agree | 34% |
| Somewhat disagree | 23% |
| Strongly disagree | 20% |
| Don’t know/no response | 13% |
Wow! A similar number of us (43% to 43%) think Boehner puts special interests ahead of us as not. On a salary of $233,500, his net worth is about $3,588,556. Not bad for government work.
Now consider these results:
| Where would you place yourself on a scale where 1 means very conservative and 7 means very liberal? | |
|---|---|
| 1 | 25% |
| 2 | 17% |
| 3 | 23% |
| 4 | 16% |
| 5 | 9% |
| 6 | 4% |
| 7 | 4% |
| Don’t know | 3% |
FWIW, the mean response is 2.94, so this poll is not primarily fire-breathing conservatives.
| Do you consider yourself to be a supporter or opponent of the Tea Party movement? | |
|---|---|
| Strong supporter | 22% |
| Not strong supporter | 35% |
| Not strong opponent | 14% |
| Strong opponent | 8% |
| Don’t know/no response | 20% |
While the “Strong supporter” category can be interpreted as “very conservative,” they are far from the majority of respondents. This poll represents “Republicans,” not the TEA Party.
The poll was commissioned by the People’s Poll and supervised by Caddell Associates. Yes, Pat Caddell is a Democrat, so these results cannot be dismissed as some “hack job.” The poll has a Margin of Error of +/- 4.00 percentage points.
That Boehner is not conservative – fiscally or socially – is not in doubt. As Lester Jackson wrote:
Conservatives find it especially galling — and intolerable — to have a Speaker who (a) shows utter contempt for the representatives whose election resulted in his ascension to power; and (b) does everything he can to subvert the wishes, interests and values of these representatives and their constituents.
BTW, “Republican” doesn’t necessarily mean “conservative.” After all, Boehner has demonstrated beyond a doubt that he’s a RINO. But we have to start identification somewhere. Since we know that conservative Democrats are very rare, “Republican” will have to do for now.
Cross-posted at The Pot Stirrer
@Greg:
I would expect Obama and Biden to lie, which they did. We pulled out prematurely and left no residual force, Obama has shown nothing but weakness and ineptitude and no one wants to be our ally. Had we left 10-30,000, as the military experts recommended, ISIS would NEVER have ventured into Iraq or, had they, they would have been destroyed long before they became as powerful as they have.
Obama has no idea what he is doing unless his goal is to weaken the US and throw the world into chaos.
@Rich Wheeler: If history serves me correct Boehner and the Tea Party have both been around for the historic replacement of Democrats in the House in 2010 and this past election cycle by which the Senate Majority is now solidly in Republican control.
The last Presidential election cycle was prior to the realization by America of the epic failure of Obamacare and our failures to arrest terrorism as we see today. Not so in 2016. Will the Republican Presidential Nominee be properly vetted by the party, without question. Hopefully the Democrat Nominee will be put through the same scrutiny, I would hope for America the answer would be affirmative. It is also important to realize that by 2016 Benghazi will receive the appropriate review and let’s also not forget immigration executive action, and also Obamacare will potentially implemented with respect to group plans!! The future of both Parties is yet to be realized!!
@Bill, #51:
You’re trying to rationalize the fact that the Bush administration screwed up from beginning to end, from the initial decision to sell a totally unnecessary invasion against a nation that hadn’t attacked us and had no capacity to do so, to locking us into a departure timetable with no real possibility of successful renegotiation only one month before the new administration that would have to deal with all of the consequences was sworn in.
Saddam Hussein was an S.O.B. He was also an effective foil against the both Islamic extremists that now represent a serious threat to the entire region and to the United States, and against Iran. Our total focus should have remained on destroying the fanatics that attacked us, who were holed up in Afghanistan along the Pakistani border. Bush administration decisions helped to create the present situation by shifting that focus. They used faulty and manipulated intelligence to convince Congress and the American public, and kept the intelligence community’s clear warnings concerning the dangers of displacing the Saddam Hussein regime to themselves. This has all been fully documented by Congressional investigation. The conclusions they reached are a matter of record. Ignoring facts doesn’t change them. The Bush administration was a disaster. Much of the Obama administration’s time and energy has been devoted to dealing with the enduring consequences of their predecessor’s folly. They got stuck with cleanup duty, and what they’ve had in return from the people who created the mess to begin with are efforts to shift the blame.
@Greg:
Did Germany attack us? How about North Korea? North Vietnam? When did they attack us?
There is a black granite wall in Washington, D.C. with 58,000 names on it. All people who died in a war promoted by Democrats, mismanaged by Democrats and abandoned by Democrats although we never lost a battle in that war they started.
And what did those soldiers get for fighting for that Democrat CIC? They got ridiculed by left wing radicals like you when they came home broken.
Democrats have been cowards since the days of the Copperheads. Nothing has changed in 150 years.
@Rich Wheeler:
I don’t know if he did or not. I just know there is no public record of him ever having attended even one class at Columbia and no documented proof that he ‘graduated’. (you may be interested in knowing he wasn’t even in the USA much of the time he was ‘supposedly’ attending Columbia. ) Try to keep up. He is also, of course, the only “obama” that is not a muslim.
@Bill: 43
He’s had that one in the bag for years.
@Greg: 45
Yeah, the truth is painful isn’t it?
@Rich Wheeler:
He doesn’t even recognize himself since his “plugs” were installed.
@Greg: 42
Greg, just to be correct, the Dims controlled the Senate from May 2001 til Jan 2003. Have to keep you Dims straight.
@Redteam: You are truly indoctrinated far right. Does your group hold regular meetings–a secret handshake perhaps?
@Rich Wheeler: Better to be ‘right’ than ‘wrong’
@retire05, #54:
I don’t recall anyone ridiculing me when I arrived back from Vietnam. All I got was a handful of routine ribbons, a Gallantry Cross from a government that no longer exists, and a Certificate of Appreciation from Richard Nixon. If I recall correctly, Nixon was a republican.
If you’d stop slandering Obama with every other breath, I might refrain from pointing out the truth about the the Bush administration.
@Redteam: Junior year 82 student directory shows him living near campus at 142 w 109th st. with fellow student and roommate Phil Boerner who remembers him well. Lived at 339 E.. 94th St apartment in 83 Columbia shows him graduating in 83. Published an article in student paper in 83. Where was he during these 2 years if not in N.Y?
Some claim he was in Moscow being brainwashed to become The Manchurian Candidate. Others say he was abducted by aliens.
Both my father and brother graduated from Columbia. I don’t think this great University would claim him an alumnus if it were not so.
If Obama is a Muslim the Imans must be pretty upset with him hanging out with Rev, Wright all those years.
o5 For the record no one ridiculed me when I returned home in uniform to San Francisco Nov. 1968
@Redteam, #59:
You’re right. I stand corrected. I forgot all about Jim Jeffords declaring himself an Independent and throwing in with the Democrats.
@Greg:
You know what I get tired of hearing? Ignorant liberals who have no idea what the war on terror and terror’s war on us consists of. Sheesh, is stupidity looked upon in liberal circles as an asset?
The war in Iraq was never about a concern about the Iraqi Navy and it’s fleet of aircraft carriers, battleships, submarines and landing craft attacking the US coast, nor about it’s fleet of long-range bombers Hamburging Washington, DC. How many times does this point have to be made before even the least clueless of you liberals can get the message through your thick, impregnable to fact, skulls?
The intelligence showed Iraq, with its WMD’s and its association with terrorists, including al Qaeda, as a security threat to the US. You probably remember the attacks on 9/11. That is what we worried about and what prominent Democrats, from the Clinton’s way down, worried about as well (though it is noteworthy that Clinton didn’t worry so much as to actually DO anything).
Then, there was 9/11.
Then, there was concern about further attacks and the intelligence and associations became the focus. Perhaps you also remember how Bush was (and is) blamed for allowing the attacks on his watch… less than a year into his watch, but he was blamed nonetheless. Now, left wing idiots blame him for acting on purportedly sound intelligence and viable threats to prevent further, more devastating attacks. I realize that this might only LOOK like abject stupidity while it is, in reality, cynical, hypocritical, unpatriotic political attack, but is sure looks stupid.
Then, after a long, bitter and bloody campaign, Iraq was pacified and terrorist attacks brought under control. That was when Bush left office. Look at it now, Greg. Good when Bush left, chaotic and dangerous since Obama took over. Sorry, Greg, but those are the facts and the reality. If you grow tired of hearing about it, go to MoveOn, Kos, Huffington or MSNBC where you are safe from honest facts and truth. If you are around me and you spout ignorance, you ARE going to hear things you would rather not.
@Rich Wheeler: 63
your research didn’t help you too much did it? Not one person ever saw him in a class room at Columbia. Not one professor ever had him in a class. Living anywhere in NYC would put him “close to campus” wouldn’t it.
No “official” publication by Columbia shows him as a student or an alumnus. Having him on ‘published’ lists by others hardly constitutes ‘proof’ of anything. I could show you a ‘published’ list of alumnus of Toothpaste U, but that wouldn’t make it official. Just to test ‘reasonableness’, put in your school name and ask for a list of alum for your graduating year and see if your name shows up.
To elaborate a little more Rich: even Fact check. org, where you got your info on Boerner, even they couldn’t find anyone that ever saw him in a classroom and he obviously couldn’t keep his story straight:
They orignally made the quote about their time at Occidental together but then changed it to their time at Columbia. See all the things Boernor and Obama did together? But none of it involves Columbia Univ. I could get something published in school papers for most schools, don’t have to be students to get articles published. There is no person alive that ever stated they saw Obama in a class room at Columbia Univ. Every student at every university can remember at least one person that was in his class, except everyone that was in Obama’s classes.
EVEN Fact Chek can’t bail you out. (and they’ve sure tried)
@Redteam: “Living anywhere in NYC would put him close to campus.” Really? Have you been to Columbia.? How bout Wall St? Where do say he was those two years? You’ve got a real fantasy world in your head RT.
@Rich Wheeler:
Yes. Name anything in NYC that is not within 10 miles of campus. I lived near my campus and was 13 miles away.
I thought you were well read. It’s not where “I” say he was, it’s where he was.
Really? then why can’t those two lib organizations, Fact Check and Snopes put him in a class room at Columbia U?
@Redteam: Humor me RT. Where was he during those 2 years other than NYC. How long was he gone?
While you are at it—Tell me “all knowing one” where he was born. How he got into Harvard Law without an undergraduate degree?
@Rich Wheeler:
I find it humorous that none of your liberal friends and publications seem to be able to answer that question for you.
I wasn’t there and don’t know. His grandmother says he was born in Kenya? Why would you doubt her?
He has listed his place of birth as Kenya, why do you doubt him?
Really? Show me the requirements for Harvard Law School. Here is what they say their requirements are:
I don’t see where that mentions that any degree is required. But if you want a hint, I’d probably list money as the most important consideration. In particular, the presence of ‘lots of it’. They don’t even consider GPA or LSAT scores. Isn’t that interesting? http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/jd/apply/the-application-process/jdfaq.html#eligibility As a side note Rich, most professional schools do NOT require an undergraduate degree. I was eligible after 3 years of understudy, before I received my degree.
@Redteam: As far as I’m concerned he lived in NYC during those two years at the addresses given. You know otherwise pls let us know.
The old grandmother story has been debunked–surprised your radical right friends haven’t told you,
Bought his way into Harvard Law? C’mon RT.
@Rich Wheeler:
There are 3 monkeys, right?
You say you don’t care, but “pls” let me know? If you’re not concerned, why?
“debunked” eh,? Don’t tell the grandmother. Here you are, believing some guy from across the world that Obama ‘lived in an apartment’ with him in New York, but not believing his old grandmother. I’ll bet my grandchildren’s grandmother know where each of them was born, In fact I’ll bet you that she was ‘actually’ at the hospital where and when they were born. Are you saying that you don’t know where your grandchildren were born?
I didn’t say that. It is well known whose influence and money got him in, no need to disagree or rehash.
@Redteam: All these things you claim to be well known? By who–your secret society? I repeat–you live in a fantasy world when it comes to BHO. Enjoy.
‘There is no need to disagree or rehash” Agree
@Rich Wheeler:
Yes, I agree there were three monkeys.
At least.
I think it’s rather humorous to make so much of him being Pres of HLR when it’s well known that job normally went to highest academic rank of which BHO was very distant from. He only got in because of color. How did it come about that fact came out even tho his ‘records are sealed’?
Rich, I really would like for you to tell me why Dimocrats don’t know where their grandchildren are born. I have at least 2 aunts still alive that can still tell me exactly where I was born, back in 1940. There is just no excuse for Dimocrats not keeping up with their children and grandchildren, tho it’s expected now that more Dimocrats than ever are having abortions rather than children. Most likely they can remember when and where they get their abortions, even if they can’t remember where their children or grandchildren were born. I guess this sort of thing is of more a concern to me, a Conservative, because we still care about families and children etc, rather than where we can kill our unborn.
Do you know where your grandchildren were born?
@Redteam: No grandchildren.
My mother and her mother both suffered from Alzheimers and unfortunately couldn’t have told you where they were born,, much less kids or grandkids.
The Obama grandma story sketchy vs actual evidence he was born in Hawaii.
How bout telling where he was when he was supposed to be in NY attending Columbia? I need a laugh.
Btw I have noticed how Consrvatives love inserting themselves in people’s bedrooms and issuing insructions.Most uptight frustrated people I know. The right wing preachers-Swaggert, Baker et al–sleeping with boys and kids–sick
Are you now siding with the macho men that feel they have the right to tell women how to deal with their bodies?
@Rich Wheeler:
Are you saying they didn’t know PRIOR to getting Alzheimers? No one has said Obama’s grandmother has alzheimers. Do you know something we don’t.
So you’re admitting Dims and Libs don’t know how to find out things? Then why do they know so much that isn’t so? Since you don’t know, I’m gonna keep you in the dark. Hard to understand libs not knowing how to use search engines on internet. Must be the reason they want to change the internet to ‘rig’ searches even more.
Rich, promise that when you have grandchildren, you’ll know about it, both when and where. Unlike Obama’s grandmother.
@Redteam: OK Gotta find my own laughs—-INTERNET PIECE says he was a CIA agent travelling between Pakistan, Afghanistan and Russia. Thanks.
Did he hang with Austin Powers?
@Rich Wheeler: OK
“Did he hang with Austin Powers? ” LOL, that’s the best you can do? Do you believe all those rumors? Well, what can you expect from people that aren’t sure where their children were born?
@Redteam: Damn I really believed it.
I guess I gotta wait for your secret society to reveal the truth. Meantime I’ll stick with the 99% who believe he was in N.Y attending Columbia.
@Rich Wheeler:
And why is it that not one single one of those 99% ever saw him in a class room at Columbia? Funny how you want to dodge answering any question but expect me to say something you can attempt to ridicule. Well, take it from me, that people that don’t know where there children or grandchildren were born are not overly impressive. Does the memory failure go back to your mother, does she remember when and where you were born?
@Redteam: Have you actually listened to the conversation between the American minister and BHO’S step grandmother? The interpreter affirmed she believed he was born in the U.S,. His mother was not in Kenya at the time of his birth.
Are you demeaning people with Alzheimers? You are not only clueless but classless RT
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@Rich Wheeler:
If I recall correctly you are the one blaming alzheimer’s for people faults. I didn’t attribute it to anyone. In fact, I accused you of using poor memory as an excuse, not alzheimers. So if you’re pointing out classless, the pointer is in your direction.
hmmm, so you have a hearing problem. She said she was in Kenya, she said she was there at the hospital in Kenya when he was born, then “they” said that she said he was born in America. “they” were attempting to change what she clearly said.
But, his grandmother was at the hospital where he was born in “kenya”. Long distance most have been handling more than phone calls back then.
Rich, did you read this? http://www.politifact.com/letter-from-bishop-ron-mcrae/
or this? http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/unexploded-bombshell-barack-obama-admits-kenyan-birth/
@Redteam: Bishop Ron McRae.??
God save us from Evangelical preachers. This guy reminds me of Pastor Hagee–another beaut. Yuu wanna believe in this guy? You think he may have an agenda?
As far as grandmothers I’ll go with the maternal grandmother from Hawaii who speaks English vs the “interpretation” of the paternal step -grandmother in Kenya. Common sense RT–USE IT.
@rich wheeler:
don’t know him. Do know obama and know for sure that he can’t be trusted. You think he might have an agenda?
It wasn’t an interpretation. She said it. All the translation was in the denial when they wouldn’t let her speak any longer. Common Sense, Rich. If you keeping score, your’s is 0.
@Redteam:Common sense says. He could only be born in one place—Which grandmother’s story is more reliable–are you saying the maternal grandmother is lying or doesn’t know where her daughter’s son was born—are you selectively dissing beloved and all knowing grandmothers? You made your own case on this. Again–can they both be right in your fantasy world?
@Rich Wheeler: There you go again. denigrating grandmothers. I hope your grandmothers don’t know that you don’t value their memories. Just for the record, one says she was actually there when it occurred. The other only says she remembers it was in Hawaii, but not sure which hospital. Is that what you consider reasonable?
Here’s the real reason his maternal grandmother didn’t correctly remember.http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/02/26/british-intelligence-obama-born-in-kenya-cias-dna-test-shows-dunhams-not-his-grandparents/
@Redteam: The Dunhams were not his grandparents—how does that work RT? Was Sydney their daughter? Were they actually the hired help? Can’t wait to hear more. You provide great humor every day.
@Rich Wheeler: Gullible people, such as you, are what makes it easy. Apparently you have really not looked into any of this at all. The whole world, except gullible liberals, know the truth.
@ Redteam:
What happened to Retire05?
I wanted to ask her what she thought about the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals overturning Texas’ ban on gay marriage. No, the decision isn’t in yet, but that’s what is coming. With the 11th Circuit (Atlanta) obviously in the same frame of mind, the final tally will be all BUT the 6th circuit, and the SCOTUS may just leave those last four states hanging – looking pretty stupid. 46 out of 50 states will put some real pressure on the 6th to reverse itself.
Kind of interesting how for so long, gay bashing was thrillingly popular, and Republicans rushed to pile on their moral indignation, but look at how fast conservatives drop their arguments when the country – and the courts – turned against them. Must not have been much more that self-serving pandering behind all of that outrage, right?
@Redteam: Who were the Dunhams if not Sydney’s parents and BHO’s grandparents?
I tried to research it on the trusted internet–as you suggested
I keep getting stuff like “W’ getting an underage girl pregnant in 1970 and paying for her abortion in Houston. Barbara claimed he was “strung out on coke.” Then up pops his affair with his appointments secretary Jennifer Fitzgerald in Geneva in 1984.
Enough of that. I prefer the straight story on the Dunhams from you RT. Consult your secret society if need be.
While you’re at it. Where was BHO in 82 and 83? Thanks.
@George Wells: I suspect she’s around. You do realize when all the Muslims take over they’re going to cut your head off, right? Or, maybe not.
@Rich Wheeler:
so you don’t know what ‘secret’ means.
I’ve heard all that about Bush before, no one told me I had to believe it or not. Not like the liberals not allowing you to believe anything negative about the liberals.
The secret society even taught me how to use the internet. You’ll have to join to find out.
They also expect me to uphold my pledge to defend the constitution of the US, unlike the liberals who won’t allow you to.
Do you really think I’m trying to change your mind? I know it won’t happen, you closed it long ago. Out to lunch, permanently. I think it’s in the air out there on the Left coast, that’s why I left, couldn’t breathe out there.
@Rich Wheeler:
There’s a book I read long ago, named “The Birds and the Bees” it’s likely on Amazon.
@Redteam: I don’t think you are trying to change my mind. I suspect you know I’m not that gullible.
The question is why would any sane person believe the stuff you are posting about BHO and specifically about the Dunhams?
“the liberals not allowing you to believe anything negative about the liberals.” What?
@Rich Wheeler:
If the liberals caught you agreeing with a conservative, they would ban you from the club.
Yeah, I don’t post on here to change anyone’s mind, most are made up and not subject to change. I know for sure that no one will ever convince me Obama is a “natural born citizen”.