What is the Climate Change Movement Really All About?

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“You don’t have to take my word, or [former Vice President] Al Gore’s word on it. You can wake up pretty much every day and listen to Mother Nature, who is screaming at us about [it].”
Secretary of State John Kerry, who served

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Apparently 300,000-400,000 turned out for the People’s Climate March in New York City, Sunday.

NEW YORK — More than 300,000 people marched through the streets of New York City on Sunday in what organizers called the largest climate-change demonstration in history.

With banners, flags, floats and drums, protesters at the “People’s Climate March” overwhelmed midtown Manhattan in flocks of vivid color, demanding action ahead of the United Nations Climate Summit this week.

And as typically seems to be the case, the aftermath belies the message espoused.

Noah Rothman at Hot Air has the scoop:

“We live in a grotesque era where we have everything we want right now,” one protester told Foster, graciously packaging her entire movement up in one self-hating nutshell.

There appear to be two strains of protesters who attended the People’s March. Some cling desperately to the ideals of Marx and who repeat rhetoric and slogans which have largely remained unchanged since the Rutherford B. Hayes administration. These folks ironically consider themselves “progressives.” The other strain of protester who spoke with Foster seemed lost, misplaced, left behind in a world which no longer made much sense.

It is a condition as old as time; the aimless in search of personal meaning complement the ranks of a movement which promises personal purpose. The revolution is over, but the tragically committed revolutionaries persist.

What Foster uncovered in New York City was what so many on the right have known for years, but the public rarely sees. The modern climate alarmism movement has been hijacked by the remnants of those who still adhere to the defunct tenets of revolutionary Marxism. It is no wonder, then, that so few climate change devotees in government and the media go out of their way to make sure you never hear from their grassroots supporters.

And today:

NEW YORK, Sept 22 (Reuters) – Hundreds of protesters plan to risk arrest on Monday during an unsanctioned blockade in New York City’s financial district to call attention to what organizers say is Wall Street’s contribution to climate change.

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Flood Wall Street organizers said they wanted to use the momentum gained by Sunday’s march to “highlight the role of capitalism in fueling the climate crisis.”

I remember attending a couple of anti-war rallies in Los Angeles. These protests were full of fringies spouting all sorts of sideshow agendas that had little to nothing at all to do with what the rally was organized for.

568 Responses to “What is the Climate Change Movement Really All About?”

  1. 552

    Redteam

    I went over to that thread and found the ‘amendment’ you referred to, and yes it is there. But I don’t remember discussing it. Not anything very memorable about it. But if it is true, it does seem to have been written in such a manner as to discriminate against gays, but then you could read it as discriminating against boy scouts also. I only read your comments about the contents so I don’t know all that is in the amendment or law or whatever it is.

  2. 553

    Redteam

    @George+Wells: 546

    after I was repeatedly insulted by you, Redteam

    Very interesting George because I never, ever insult someone first, so if I’ve insulted you, it was after your initial insult. Just saying….

  3. 554

    George+Wells

    @Redteam #547:

    An elevation of 8 inches at the head of the bed produced a significant decrease in the breathing problems (apnea and snoring) but resulted in sleep disruption as he gravitated to the foot of the bed. (He’s a restless sleeper.)
    An elevation of 4 inches at the head solved the gravity problem but did not noticeably decrease the apnea. He will need CPAP, and has finally figured that out, largely through the experience a friend has had who is 10 years his senior. Apnea nearly killed her – she had ALL of the complications. She finally went on CPAP (reluctantly) and her neurological symptoms cleared up immediately. Her enlarged heart should be returning to a more normal structure in a few more months, and then, hopefully, her congestive heart failure will lighten form the stage 3+ that it’s at now. She is overweight and has severe “exercise intolerance,” a deadly combination.

  4. 555

    George+Wells

    @Retire05 #550:
    ” I doubt that you’re capable of anything else, no matter the arena.”

    Re-read my early posts, from May of 2013. You’ll find no insults.

  5. 556

    George+Wells

    @Redteam #552:

    Thank you, Redteam, for having read the amendment. I published the entire thing – there is nothing more to it. Yes, it’s short. But it DOES suggest unconstitutional restrictions that may be interpreted to apply far beyond just gay couples, and that is a secondary part of its problem.

    The amendment’s authors probably didn’t really think that the amendment would withstand the scrutiny of the courts, and many Republican lawmakers said as much. It is more likely that the amendment was simply written (By delegate Marshall and senator Neuman) to delight the evangelical wing of the state’s Republican Party, thus insuring their support on election day. It worked.

    And thanks for your honest evaluation of it.

  6. 557

    George+Wells

    @Redteam #553:
    ” Just saying…. ”

    Yeah, OK. I’ve had quite enough of dredging back through ten thousand FA posts to make a point that Retire05 demands, and “who-done-it-first” questions seem a bit childish.

    If you read my early posts, you WILL see a civil tongue at work, and either I was taught the error of that approach by nasty replies, or I just had a stroke that gave me a bad case of Tourette’s syndrome that only shows up when I’m here on FA. What do YOU think caused it?

  7. 558

    retire05

    @George+Wells:

    You drew first blood, George:

    @retire05:

    You are blinded by your own bibliography.
    By withdrawing into your fantasy past, you marginalize yourself today.
    Better tighten those blinders:

    And while you used no common pejoratives, your comments were meant to insult.

  8. 559

    George+Wells

    @Retire05 #558:

    As you have decided to contest “who started it,” would you mind supplying the location of that quote?
    If I find that I DID start the unsavory tone of our discussions, I will be quick to apologize to all of the FA readers, including you.

  9. 560

    retire05

    @George+Wells:

    As you have decided to contest “who started it,” would you mind supplying the location of that quote?

    I am not your research assistant. Do your own searching.

    If I find that I DID start the unsavory tone of our discussions, I will be quick to apologize to all of the FA readers, including you.

    If you think I am interested in one more of your insincere apologies, you are sadly mistaken.

  10. 561

    Redteam

    @George+Wells: Yes I agree that it takes about an 8 inch elevation, but even though, I too, was a victim of gravity, the fact that my head stayed elevated even when I had worked my way all the way to the bottom was all that was needed to keep the apnea and snoring away. Maybe I’m just lucky. I hated that damn CPAP and the elevation deal is much less bother. Apnea is a killer. I awoke once, about 18 years ago with my heart about to jump out of my chest, Pulse was easily over 200. called 911, when they arrived, pulse was still over 200. I had stopped breathing and it had gotten my whole body in distress. Had it not awakened me, I’m sure I would have expired. Went through all the sleep testing deal and apnea was the cause. I was stopping breathing several times each night. Immediately started using CPAP, later changed to elevation and it seems to have done as much as CPAP. No problems in at least 12 years (still sleep elevated)

  11. 562

    George+Wells

    @Retire05 #560:

    “I am not your research assistant. Do your own searching.”

    AS you have demanded that I supply you with supporting evidence, which I DID supply, I would expect that if I requested similar supporting evidence, you would return the favor.

    You asked for references and links, and I learned how to post them and did.

    Now you refuse to support your wild speculation that I started this, that I “drew first blood.” What, are you RAMBO?

    Since you refuse to support your charge, I can only assume that you just made it up.

  12. 565

    George+Wells

    @Retire05 #564:

    The following comments were posted by you, before I ever arrived at this blogsite:

    “Beside liar, fraud, bloviator, you can add coward to your resume, Tommy Troll.”

    http://floppingaces.net/2012/12/29/what-america-would-look-like-with-strict-gun-laws/comment-page-1/#comments (Written by Retire05, Dec.31, 2012)

    “Obviously, being an idiot is not pretense with you.”

    http://floppingaces.net/2012/12/29/what-america-would-look-like-with-strict-gun-laws/comment-page-1/#comments (Written by Retire05 on the same day, Dec. 31, 2012)

    You were slinging insults long before I got here, long before I ever insulted you AFTER you insulted me. You won’t prove that I drew “first” blood because you can’t.

    Just like your refusal to predict any outcome of the gay marriage contest other than mine (don’t you ever wonder why you have been so consistently wrong?) your excuses are hollow, your explanations of not caring – nothing but sour grapes.

  13. 566

    retire05

    @George+Wells:

    “Beside liar, fraud, bloviator, you can add coward to your resume, Tommy Troll.”

    http://floppingaces.net/2012/12/29/what-america-would-look-like-with-strict-gun-laws/comment-page-1/#comments (Written by Retire05, Dec.31, 2012)

    “Obviously, being an idiot is not pretense with you.”

    Not directed at you, and frankly, none of your damn business.

    You won’t prove that I drew “first” blood because you can’t.

    Sure I can. I just won’t take your bait.

    Try getting a life, George. When you spend your day searching for posts that are over two years old and not directed at you, it would seem you need a hobby.

  14. 567

    George+Wells

    @Retire05 #566:
    “Not directed at you, and frankly, none of your damn business.”

    1. ” The following comments were posted by you, before I ever arrived at this blogsite.”
    I think that “before I ever arrived at this blogsite” precludes any suggestion that your snide comments were directed at me, now doesn’t it?

    2. None of my business? Last I looked, this IS a public forum, it’s past posts held by the site-master in the public record until HE chooses to remove them. They are anybody’s business who chooses to make them their business.

    “I just won’t take your bait.”

    Of course you won’t, because if you do, you know that you will be hooked and caught in your usual lie.
    Squirming so becomes you!

    “you need a hobby.”

    Oh, I have plenty of hobbies. My favorite one these days is celebrating gay marriage. It’s nearly a full-time job!

    I bet that if you had such a fun hobby, you wouldn’t be so nasty.

  15. 568

    George+Wells

    @Redteam #423″
    “If 2% of the population is gay, do you suspect that most of that 2% will marry in a same sex union? What % of the 2% do you think will marry another gay person?”

    I recently ran across a report that stated that approximately 140,000 same-sex marriages had been performed in the United States to date. That means 280,000 gay people got married. If you accept the 2% figure, that puts the total number of gays at around 6.4 million, of which, for want of a better number, let’s say 5 million are of marrying age. (Not all people who self-identify as being gay are of marrying age, but certainly not all children who ARE gay are reporting that they ARE, either. Thus the 5 million estimate.) HOWEVER… of the 5 million who are of marrying age, only 40% of them live in states where gay marriage is legal (at the time that the 140,000 marriages were tallied). Yes, some have been travelling to states where it IS legal to marry, but the vast majority are waiting for their own state to legalize it before tying the knot. So there are really only about 2 million gays who are of eligible age AND residency to marry, and so far 280,000 of them have married. That comes to 14 %.

    I expect this number to rise as acceptance of SSM grows and as the gay community grows more c0mfortable with the prospect of state-sanctioned monogamy. But for the reasons I stated earlier, I doubt that it will ever reach the percentage of straights that marry. My prediction of a range between 20 and 30% stands. On the other hand, I doubt that your prediction of “declining straight marriage rates” and going to “Hell-in-a-hand-basket” will come true, as statistics in Massachusetts do not reveal any change in the marriage rate from before to after that state legalized SSM.

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