Expert Testifies to Congress that Constitutional Crises looming?: Obama’s ‘Ignoring Laws’ Could Lead to Overthrow of Government (Reader Post)

Glad someone’s pointing that out to Congress…

They keep saying it can’t happen…..

I always said The Lightbringer would go down as America’s Salvador Allende. Just as in 1973 the legislative and judicial branches will finally openly call for the ouster of the executive for ignoring the constitution and a soldier will have to do the job.

Obama’s been engaging in a slow-motion Erdogan/Stalin-style purge of the senior officer corps. When push finally comes to shove who will the men with guns obey?

DO YOU REMEMBER THE YOUNG WOMAN BEING KILLED IN HER CAR WHILE HER BABY IS IN THE BACK,
IN FRONT OF THE CAPITOL, BY THE CAPITOL POLICE,
THEY DON’T HAVE ANY COMPASSION FOR THE CITIZENS OF AMERICA,
THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE CAPITOL, THEY TAKE IT AS AN EXTRA LOCATION WHICH IS NOT AMERICA,
THAT’S WHAT YOU WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH, IF SOMETHING HAPPEN,
THIS YOUNG WOMAN WAS IN HER CAR TRYING TO GO AWAY, THEY BLOCK HER FROM LEAVING,
THEY JUST COULD HAVE LET HER GO AND ADDRESS HER LATER FOR BUMPING THE POLICE CAR,
BUT THEY SHOT IN THE WINDOW OF HER CAR BREAKING IT AND KILLED HER, SHE WAS UNARMED
AND CONFUSE, NOT A REASON TO KILL HER,
WHAT HAPPEN TO THESE CRAZY CAPITOL POLICE???
THE ELECTED CLAP TO THANK THEM A STANDING OVATION
FOR A DEAD YOUNG WOMAN AND HER MOTHERLESS SON

BOBACHECK
IT WOULD BE MILITARY ON OUR SIDE AGAINST THE ARMY OF OBAMA
THE HOMELAND ARMY ARMED TO THEIR THEETS WITH TANKS AND ALL.
BYE

“There is one last thing to which the people can resort if the government does not respect the restrains that the constitution places on the government,” Cannon said. “Abraham Lincoln talked about our right to alter our government or our revolutionary right to overthrow it.”

It seems to have slipped someone’s mind that Abraham Lincoln conducted a successful war to put down armed rebellion that threatened to break the Union.

Michael Cannon’s criticism of Obama reeks of hypocrisy. Cannon has personally conducted an active campaign encouraging state governments to refuse to comply with the very law that he is now criticizing Obama for failing to enforce. The guy isn’t testifying as a constitutional scholar. He’s testifying as a libertarian activist.

His testimony is nothing more than another act in the ongoing dog and pony show Congressional republicans are currently running in lieu of doing anything genuinely useful or constructive.

Should the public be forced to resort to the final desperate stage of insurrection, as it’s it’s right to rem0ve a government -that no longer represents but instead rules over The People-, can any doubt that Dictator Obama would immediately declare national martial law and a suspension of the Constitution?

Maybe wannabe revolutionaries should start publicly advocating that. They could quickly find out just how large a majority of the public thinks they’re bat-shit crazy.

While the above comment may seem strange to some. Think about it. A major objective of the constitution was to make sure that it was very difficult to make a NEW law. The very basis of America is that we are a free people and should only be encumbered by the laws that are absolutely essential. Lincoln knew that it was going to be ‘impossible’ to pass a constitutional amendment to outlaw slavery, so he decided to take matters into his own hands, violate all the laws he needed to and make it happen. This is the same manner that Obam-me is using to approach ‘everyday’ matters of law that he happens to decide he doesn’t like and will benefit his mission to ‘redistribute’ the wealth (but not his) to those that choose not to work and will vote overwhelmingly to keep the redistribution headed their way. If enough Americans ‘want’ his Obamacare, then the representatives in congress should vote and it will pass. If the budget is one that enough Americans want, then let congress vote to pass it. Using a filibuster is a totally legitimate use of the minority to prevent laws that ‘enough’ Americans ‘don’t’ want to pass.

Redteam
THOSE COMMENT WHERE VERY WELL SAID,
AND those experts did not fool around, they warn both OBAMA AND THE PEOPLE,
THEY WANTED TO TELL OF THE DANGERS, AND THEY SAID IT WITHOUT
COVERING THEIR WORDS,

Michael Cannon? That’s your rationale of your argument? The Michael Cannon of the Charles Koch funded Cato Institution libertarian think tank? The Micheal Cannon that’s still selling the debunked “Death Panels” lie?

This reminds me of the time you guys used a Heritage Foundation poll as a credible source of people’s opinion of ACA.

In all seriousness, you really don’t take yourself serious do you?

@Redteam#13

“The very basis of America is that we are a free people and should only be encumbered by the laws that are absolutely essential. “

A very profound statement…too bad it does not resonate with the left…the progressives…the socialists….and the communists…for these people who use ‘force’ and “oppression” upon a people…

…they had to “invent” ‘social justice’ as a way to steal from the competent and redistribute to the incompetent among us….so the “truly ‘poor” get less help from the conservatives…

…instead of instilling ‘freedom’, equal justice … and… equal opportunity-for all who make the conscience choice to embrace it (yes, we have come a long way from the democratic instilled jim crow laws) and other Democratically instilled discrimination…

…for all Americans…

Wake up America!! You are losing your country to tyranny…

@Ronald J. Ward: Another moron jumps up to scream “BLAME BUSH!!!!”

@Ronald J. Ward#20

I’d like to remind you that we didn’t go from a Clinton Administration to an Obama Administration. There’s a significant chunk of history and reality you’re omitting or forgetting in your argument.

Question – is that a Liberal/Far Left/Progressive Reality?

That, instead of the Obama “promise” of cutting an 8 trillion deficit in half…to umm…4 trillion it has been accelerated by him and the Democrats to over 20 Trillion Million dollars and “Growing”?? And once again ‘pressuring’ and trying to intimidate the Republicans into “increasing” (the debt ceiling) even more…

Cause that is the reality Americans TODAY and in OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS are facing…

Explain to me why, if our unemployment situation is currently (per this Government) so fantastic @ a questionable 7.0% ….why are the Democrats now URGING Congress to EXTEND LONG TERM Unemployment Funding??? …. Now, is this ” urgent funding” because we are (once again,) being lied to about the reality of the job “Numbers” ?? That is, in order for thus Administration to once again “con” people like you into believing everything is just “fantastic” ?? – And that once again Nancy Pelosi has stuck her stupid nose in to repeat her stupid rhetoric that once again this unemployment funding will “stimulate” and “grow” the economy? Please, Really Really think about Pelosi’s “logic”….(If you understand it – please do explain it to me).

Oh, and I’d like to remind YOU Clinton got the crisis ball rolling….

@Angel Artiste: Bush had “a modicum of honesty”?

Once again the lapdogs on the right vindicate the 2006-2008 commander in chief by blaming his abject failures on the Democrats controlling the Legislative Branch. That’s a rather specious argument but if I’m wrong and it contains an iota of credence, perhaps you can name 1, just one piece of legislation passed by the Dems of that era that confirms your argument that they “share the blame for the economic disaster that unfolded in October 2008”. You don’t have to give the exact House or Senate Bill # (but by all means you’re welcome to) but simply throw out a general piece of legislation passed by the Dems which validates your claim. Surely you’re not arguing that their mere presents was the culprit are you (which would likely be better than your present argument)?

And once you’ve found that legislation that points the blame to Dems, maybe you can explain why the hell Bush signed it

Ditto,

Please let me refer to Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law scholar who surely cannot be described as “conservative” in most narratives.

“The danger is quite severe. The problem with what the president is doing is that he’s not simply posing a danger to the constitutional system. He’s becoming the very danger the Constitution was designed to avoid. That is the concentration of power in every single branch.

“This Newtonian orbit that the three branches exist in is a delicate one but it is designed to prevent this type of concentration. There [are] two trends going on which should be of equal concern to all members of Congress. One is that we have had the radical expansion of presidential powers under both President Bush and President Obama. We have what many once called an imperial presidency model of largely unchecked authority. And with that trend we also have the continued rise of this fourth branch. We have agencies that are quite large that issue regulations. The Supreme Court said recently that agencies could actually define their own or interpret their own jurisdiction.”

Basically, we have a rather liberal lawyer warning the nation that this President and government in general has become the very thing the Constitution was designed to prevent.

And this from a so called “Constitutional” (I’m referencing Comrade Obama here) expert?

Ronald J. Ward@#24

Oh, my..when I read your reply I almost though you were going to say the 23 million jobs the current administration created….

We are in deep trouble as a Country Mr Ward…to go back 20 years is actually dodging the ‘reality’ that is happening right now – today… this week…

Part of the reason why I initially asked which ‘reality’ ?

JOETOTE
IT’S SCARY TO WITNESS IT DAY BY DAYS,
WEEK BY WEEKS, YEAR BY YEARS,
AND NOBODY IS SURE OF THE FUTURE NOW,
BYE

@Ronald J. Ward:

Obama inherited an economy in free fall,

due to

the housing industry in tatters,

which tracks back to Clinton putting the CRA on steroids and Democrats like Barney Frank denying the GSEs were being overburdened and were in trouble.

the auto industry imploding

for the very same reason that Detroit is now in bankruptcy

, jobs dropping at a rate not seen since the great depression

,
due to the housing bust that was caused by the poor decisions of Bill Clinton and Franklin Raines

2 wars,

one which we are still in and still losing American soldiers, the other now turning into a defeat as AQ rebuilds in Iraq

our global reputation in the gutter,

which has now managed to swirl totally down into the sewer

an angry and divided electorate,

and no one angrier that the Democrats as exhibited by Harry Reid, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, et al

an opposing GOP party with an admission of insuring failure,

but with a Democrat majority in both Houses of Congress

the aftermath of a GOP 109th congressional “drunken spending spree”,

I will agree with you on that if you admit that the 110th Congress made it even worse

a GOP refusing to make good on paying for that spending spree,

and now an administration that is rapidly turning us into the Weimar Republic as it prints more and more money

and a GOP insistence on continued catering to their top campaign donors.

Shall we talk about the many Obama bundlers that have been rewarded for the money they poured into Obama’s campaign coffers? Jeffrey Immelt and Penny Pritzer ring any bells for you? Even the company that was tasked to build the Obamacare web site is headed by an Obama crony.

You really do have tunnel vision.

@Ronald J. Ward:
It’s impossible to argue with an Obamazombie. In their world, all the “facts” are on their side. A liberal stands on his head and tells the world it is upside down. All I can say to them is that progressive Democrats own Detroit, Newark, Chicago, Stockton, Buffalo, St. Louis, Philadelphia, and now Obamacare. They also own The New Deal, The Great Society, and the looting of the funds to support these quasi-socialist entitlements. For that matter, they own anti-abolishionism, the anti-civil rights movement, and the KKK. These comprise the historical evidence of their competence and integrity. They have no appreciation for the free market or capitalism, and the incredible benefits these have provided to advance humanity. They worship socialism, with no understanding of the evil in this political system, which has resulted in the genocide of over one hundred million people. Emotion and feelings guide their thinking. Logic and reason are not their strong suit. In fact, I have not met a leftist that did not lack adult maturity. They are almost always self-centered, whining, vindictive, and infantile. Worse, they project their own inadequacies and immature evil intent on those they disagree with. Have you noticed how they cannot just have a gentlemanly disagreement, but will resort to shouting, screaming, and name-calling when they are losing the argument?

Liberalism/Leftism is truly a mental disorder. Actually, it is a genetic disorder as verified by medical researchers.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html

@Redteam:

but, but,,, retire, they only had a little over $700 million to work with.

Oh, no, Redteam, the cost of the failed Obamacare website is now nearing ONE BILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

This, on top of two revelations this week: a) that a company (probably IBM) offered to build the website for FREE and b) on a Friday news dump (which is standard for this administration) one out of every four that have managed to sign up for Obamacare have not really signed up due to “glitches” in the website. So Americans who are now under the impression that starting Jan. 1 they will be covered, well, one in four won’t be.

Ronald J. Ward
I read of a recipy to eliminate completely a cancer,
it’s well known in SAUDIE ARABIA,
you get 3 cups of fresh urine from a CAMEL mix it with ONE CUP of fresh CAMEL milk,
DRINK IT ALL AND NO MORE CANCER ANYWHERE,

@retire05 #33 – Thank you – Retire you laid it all out so perfectly…and factually… and I see Mr R.J. Ward has not come back to defend the indefensible….as if we didn’t see that coming or….not coming.

I would suggest Mr Ward if he reads this, to refer back to your comment because I say big ‘ditto’…

@Ronald J Ward@24-20 – You might want to read this…coming straight from the NY Times perhaps it would be less ‘nonsensical’ for you… and you might want to pay attention to the very last sentence as well… Again who’s reality mr ward?

Oh, and it even lets us know it was under umm… “Pressure from the Clinton Administration” to increase loans to people who could not get “conventional loans” (that should tell you something right there)…. So yes, the “Ball certaintly did get rolling under Clinton”…to lend money to people who were “very risky” (people who in all probability would not be able to pay back even a low low low interest loan – hey, liberal ideology – every one “Needs the American” dream even if they cannot afford it right??) – According to the Liebrals, We can will just throw it back on the shoulders of the TAX PAYERS if it fails…

SOURCE:

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999

In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets — including the New York metropolitan region — will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.

Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates — anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.

In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets — including the New York metropolitan region — will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.

Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates — anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.

”Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990’s by reducing down payment requirements,” said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chairman and chief executive officer. ”Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.”

Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.

In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980’s.

”From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,” said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ”If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.”

Under Fannie Mae’s pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 — a rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point premium is dropped.

Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market. By expanding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings.

Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to all potential borrowers who can qualify for a mortgage. But they add that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority and low income home owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than non-Hispanic whites.

As far as I know President Bush inherited this and spent a lot of years trying to push for better regulations for this out of control lending without immediate consequences….

@retire05, #33:

…and now an administration that is rapidly turning us into the Weimar Republic as it prints more and more money

That would explain the runaway inflation that we’re presently witnessing. (1 percent, for 2013—lower than any year during which George W Bush was president.)

Obviously, Greg’s mom buys his gasoline and cooks his meals. She also pays his utilities (oh yeah, it’s probably her house), buys his clothes and maybe even gives him a meager allowance. Otherwise, he might have noticed the prices of everything on the increase, and has been for a few years now.

Redteam
it did work well DIDN’T IT, TO CALL MITT ROMNEY A RHINO,
HE WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT AND CREATE JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE,
AS SOON AS HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SWORN IN,
HIS IS NOT A RHINO, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT KNOW, HE HAS NOT BEEN ELECTED,
HE RAN BECAUSE HE WANTED TO SEE JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE, HE KNEW HE COULD BECAUSE HE HAD
THE RIGHT FRIENDS WITH MONEY ,WHO BELIEVE IN HIM, AND WOULD HAVE COME TO ANSWER HIS CALL, AND THE ECONOMY WOULD BE NOW HIGH WIRED,
LOOK WHAT THOSE WHO WANTED A PERFECT PERSON, NOW THEY HAVE THE, WORSE,
NO JOBS, AND THE 20 HRS WORK DAY, IS NOT WHAT MITT ROMNEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SATISFIED WITH THAT MEDIOCRE STYLE,
HOPE NEXT TIME YOU LOOK BETTER AT THE CANDIDATES AND NOT TRY TO DIMINISH THEM,
LET’S GET RAND PAUL THIS TIME, HE ALREADY HAVE A FEW THOUSANDS YOUNG SMART PEOPLE ON HIS SIDE,