“… he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed …[.]” That phrase comes directly from the US Constitution, Article II, Section 3. The “he” refers to the president of the United States. This phrase leaves no wiggle room, no personal discretion or interpretation, no “way out” if a law that has been passed by Congress, but it’s not ready to or
can’t be implemented. It must be faithfully executed. Yet ignoring what is in the US Constitution is exactly what has recently happened with the employer mandate portion of the abomination that is the Affordable Care Act, better known as ObamaCare. And what is currently going on.
You remember, the bill that had to be passed in order for us to see what was/is in it. You know, the scheme that has been sooooooooooo successful lately – at spending taxpayer money, not at enrolling citiens.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said about ObamaCare in August 2013:
This is no longer a political debate; this is what we call the law. It was passed and signed three years ago. It was upheld by the Supreme Court a year ago. The president was re-elected. This is the law of the land.
Section 1513(d) of the Affordable Care Act states that “The amendments made by this section shall apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013.”
Employer mandate implementation is now proposed to be delayed until 2015, after the 2014 mid-term elections. White House political hacks David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett are defending the delay. Axelrod said:
[Obama’s] ‘view is that we ought to plow forward, make sure this can work, and we’re going to look back at it [the delay], and it’s going to be our proudest accomplishment’.
Jarrett wrote:
We have heard the concern that the reporting called for under the law about each worker’s access to and enrollment in health insurance requires new data collection systems and coordination. So we plan to re-vamp and simplify the reporting process. [emphasis mine]
I guess it would be unreasonable to expect Sebelius and Axelrod and Jarrett to read, understand, and follow the US Constitution.
Obama administration officials said that other aspects of the law won’t be delayed. But guess what! Although the federally-run small business mandate marketplaces started October 1, small businesses won’t be able to enroll online until November.
Regarding the law of the land, Stanford Law School Professor Michael McConnell wrote:
Article II, Section 3, of the Constitution states that the president ‘shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.’ This is a duty, not a discretionary power. While the president does have substantial discretion about how to enforce a law, he has no discretion about whether to do so. [emphases in the original]
[McConnell continued:] The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which advises the president on legal and constitutional issues, has repeatedly opined that the president may decline to enforce laws he believes are unconstitutional. But these opinions have always insisted that the president has no authority, as one such memo put it in 1990, to ‘refuse to enforce a statute he opposes for policy reasons‘. [emphasis mine]
[McConnell continued:] Of all the stretches of executive power Americans have seen in the past few years, the president’s unilateral suspension of statutes may have the most disturbing long-term effects. As the Supreme Court said long ago (Kendall v. United States, 1838), allowing the president to refuse to enforce statutes passed by Congress ‘would be clothing the president with a power to control the legislation of congress, and paralyze the administration of justice’.
The Supreme Court, in 1998, struck down a congressional grant of line-item veto authority to the president to cancel spending items in appropriations. Associate Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote “There is no provision in the Constitution that authorizes the president to enact, to amend, or to repeal statutes.” [emphasis mine]
No less than Dr. Charles Krauthammer agrees. On The O’Reilly Factor, Krauthammer said
that “… the postponement of certain provisions of the law – including the delay until 2015 of the requirements that employers provide coverage to employees …” is unconstitutional.
As William Sullivan wrote about ObamaCare:
What we are seeing today is a late reaction to a century in which progressives thoroughly corrupted our purest ideals of individualism and liberty and transformed government’s role — without amending the Constitution to allow the government to usurp the power it seized. [emphasis mine]
Where is the Department of Justice (DOJ) on this? It is, after all, responsible for the enforcement of the law of the land. DOJ is headed by an Obama appointee, that political hack Eric Holder. Holder must get Obama’s approval before using the bathroom, so ANY action Obama takes will be fine with Holder.
And, if a woman ever gets elected President, will Democrats argue that “she” is not bound by the US Constitution since it clearly states in Article II states that “he” has specific duties? Democrats will argue, like a certain past president, that it all depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is. Will the US Supreme Court buy that argument? Let us pray that this situation will never arise.
Redteam
HAWAII ? TOO EXPANSIVE?
BUT WHAT THE HECK, IT’S THE PEOPLE’S ‘ MONEY,
BYE
The title of this Post. Now we know why he’s not bound by it. What other US Citizen’s personal data is not in US government data bases?
Read more at http://minutemennews.com/2013/12/white-house-just-inadvertently-confirm-obama-id-fraud/#jXXAjM3xHr1IbylL.99
I can hardly wait for smrstrauss to deny they said this.
I like this quote, it’s why the lefties can never win.
Read more at http://eaglerising.com/3764/obamas-gay-parade/#abTs5gzGGeRpPH0g.99
@Redteam:
You’ve tap onto something there, “President Obama’s personal data.”
Drive by tangent.
With the certified data flaws/leaks with ACA and Covered California spelling buten, butten.
There is no way in hell he went online and applied.
@mossomo: The only personal data required on the application is name, ss no. date of birth. And that’s too sensitive to be on government data bases? Maybe there’s another reason……
mossomo
hi, the IRAN story was said AT FOX NEWS,tonight before the special
for the time FOX start and grew to become the number one channel in AMERICA,
they earned it< because they are very efficient in telling what is going on,
in this USA and in the WORLD, WHAT A GOOD SHOW YOU GAVE FOX,
THANK YOU,
YOU'RE THE BEST
WARREN BEATTY
we like it here,
don”t close yet,
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone:
“because they [FOX] are very efficient in telling what is going on”
No.
So many times I’ve turned that channel disgusted. FOX only offers a broader perspective than the available alternatives. 🙂
@mossomo: #708
I agree that they don’t tell all of the stuff they should, but keep in mind that Murdoch is a liberal. When the controversy about whether obama’s birth certificate was real or fake, Fox News covered it for a short time, them nothing. When the controversy about obama using someone else’s Social Security number, and his fake Selective Service application started, I never heard anything about either of them, and nobody has denied that obama is using someone else’s SS number. When Sheriff Joe Arpaio gave his press conference on what his Cold Case Posse found out about the things in question, none of the major media showed up. Not even Fox News. They could have kept obama from being elected both times, but chose not to. The story going around is that they were threatened with not having their FCC license renewed, but I don’t know if that story is true or not. I need more proof to believe it.
@Smorgasbord:
There has never been a shred of evidence that Obama used someone else’s Social Security number. The Harrison J. Bounel story was made up by birthers.
On the other hand, Obama’s original Social Security number really was from Connecticut and not from Hawaii, where he applied. However, it is not illegal to have a SS number from CT and not from HA, and millions upon millions f people have SS numbers that are errors caused MAINLY by data entry errors by SS administration clerks.
Th fact that Fox News, like the other news media, dd not fall for ether the Harrison J. Bounel story or the “It was from Connecticut so it must be a forgery” story shows that it has some measure of intelligence. Oh, and it did not fall for the “the birth certificate is forged ” story or these OTHER birther lies either:
(1) Birthers have said that Obama’s draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I’ll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)
(2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?
(3) Birthers said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” Why do you suppose they did that?
(4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?
(6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say “I was born in Kenya..”” Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged “Kenyan birth certificates.”
Obama really was born in Hawaii, and his birth certificate is not forged (birthers simply have found people willing to CLAIM that they are experts and to CLAIM that it is forged, and they do not tell their readers about the real experts who say it is not forged or that the officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have repeatedly confirmed that all the facts on the BC that the White House has published are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.
The “the birth certificate is forged story” is simply another birther LIE like the “his Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya” lie and the “He was an Indonesian citizen” lie and the Harrison J. Bounel lie.
@smrstrauss: #710
Why hasn’t obama, or the democratic party, or the propaganda media denied it then? If they have, I have never heard about it. Can you give me a link to any of these saying who has denied it? I have given several links to DIFFERENT people investigating it, and ALL of them say the number he is now using is someone else’s. Why couldn’t he be verified by his own obamacare web site? Please don’t give me the garbage that his info isn’t in government databases. All that is needed is his name, Social Security number, and birth date, and all of that info is public knowledge. Why didn’t his own web site recognize him as a legal citizen when that info was entered?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/12/did_the_white_house_just_inadvertently_confirm_obama_id_fraud.html
As I have mentioned in another post, you keep repeating yourself as if by repeating yourself people will start to believe you. Did it work for obama when he kept repeating that people would keep their doctor, medical plan, hospital, and medicine?
I don’t remember you answering my simple questions about obama’s birth certificate in a way that is believable.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35983084@N07/11460766526/
I’ll reduce my number of questions to these:
(1) In windows 2, 6c, and 8, why is the typing EXACTLY straight, but the lines of the windows are curved down? I asked you to put a straightedge under the words, and you said they weren’t straight. Try it again, but use something that doesn’t lean to the left.
(2) In the circled item #3, take that same non-left leaning straightedge and turn it so it points up and down. Increase the size of the image so the letters are very big. Put the straight straightedge on the left side of the letter “t” in “Maternity”. Slide it very slowly to the right (I know it will be very hard for you) until the straight straightedge touches the tip of the top of the letter “y”. Why is the tail of the letter “t” still visible? Answer: This is how word processors squeeze letters together to make them look the same distance apart. I bought a typewriter to do an experiment. I blanked out where the typed words were, then typed in the same words, printed it out, scanned it, and printed it out, and it still looked the same. That garbage about the process used caused the distortion is just garbage. If what you said is true, the equipment used must have been made in China, because mine wasn’t.
(3) In window #9, you said that the individual could choose what to put in the window. I have filled out many forms in my over 60 years, and not one time did I get to CHOOSE what to put down without having to choose from a list. The term “African” was not used until long after obama was born. Your story is just as believable as the one about paying people unemployment actually CREATES jobs. I’m guessing you believe that garbage too, since you want us to believe EVERYTHING your liberal leaders want us to.
Usually, after I respond to comments for what I feel is a long enough time, I politely say I don’t want to continue with the same stuff over and over again. The main reason I am responding now is that so many times when I look for a story I didn’t save, I find other stories that I hadn’t read before, or I figure somebody new to Flopping Aces hasn’t heard about the controversy, so this could be the first they knew of it because you want to keep the story going.
I’m willing to leave it at the fact that I won’t convince you of my way of thinking, and you won’t convince me or any other conservative on FA of your way of thinking.
Re ” Why hasn’t obama, or the democratic party, or the propaganda media denied it then?”
Why should they go around denying birther lies so that birthers can make up other lies and have the satisfaction of saying “you see, they denied it”===when the best policy is simply to ignore your LYING enemies. I can make up stores about Republicans too, you know.
Re the latest LIE that Obama could not register for healhcare because he wasn’t in the deatabase. It also is a LIE. He did register for healthcare, so, duh, he was in the database. The story that he could not register because he wasn’t in the database was all made up by birthers. It is a big lie. A BIG lie, a blatant lie. He did register, and so he was in the database.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/23/obama-enrolls-health-care_n_4494141.html
http://mashable.com/2013/12/23/obama-obamacare-bronze/
Re: “I’m willing to leave it at the fact that I won’t convince you of my way of thinking, and you won’t convince me or any other conservative on FA of your way of thinking. ”
Answer: I have posted the facts for the benefit of any rational person who may visit this site and who wants to see the facts. I do not post to change your mind.
Re: “…and not one time did I get to CHOOSE what to put down without having to choose from a list. The term “African” was not used until long after obama was born. ”
Answer: In HAWAII, which is a place where you were unlikely to have filled in a form, much less your race on a birth certificate, you were allowed to enter any word that you wanted to. There was NO checklist of approved races, and in fact you were allowed to enter multiple words, such as “Japanese-Korean” or “American/Japanese.” For white you could say “white” or “Caucasian” or even “Anglo-Saxon,” and so you could say “African”—and that turns out to be the word that AFRICAN exchange students (like Obama’s father) normally used to describe their race. Oh, and what word was Obama’s father famiiar with? Why, it was the word that the colonial powers in Kenya (and Kenya was a colony in 1961, known as the Kenya Colony) used to describe the black residents of that colony. They were called “AFRICANS.”
SO OBAMA’S father could use any word that he wanted, and the word that he used was AFRICAN.
BTW, I do not post to convince you. I post the facts for the benefit of any rational person who may visit this site who wants to see the facts.
@smrstrauss: #712
You have proven that many times. I have to admit that you are a great story teller. I’m curious if you belong to Liar’s Club. You sure know how to tell them.
The Big lie is you saying that HE signed up, but HE didn’t. When HE tried to sing up, his own web site rejected him because it couldn’t verify that he is who he says he is. His staff then took over and signed him up themselves. It would be interesting to know how they did that. I won’t link to it because I know you read the different stories. It must have been VERY frustrating for obama to have been rejected by his main accomplishment in his administration.
.
Then why do you keep posting the same things, and linking to the same liberal web sites over and over and over and over and over?
mossomo
I bet you turn it of at the same place as I,
when a lib is being invited to share the conversation on OBAMA’S FAILURES,
we have to admit FOX give a better explanation of the other events,
THEY ARE THE BEST AT IT, on my view, IF YOU MISS THE POINT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THERE IS ANOTHER WHO WILL BE GIVING WHAT YOU EXPECT, they all have a unique way of
dealing with the news, which they choose their topic,
if one doesn’t fit your expectations, there are 10 more comming after to strech the bar for you,
AND THEY STILL ARE NUMBER ONE,
bye
@smrstrauss:
You:
The links that you give following your rant do not prove your claim that Obama was in the database, nor do they even mention that Obama had a problem at all signing up. There was no point in posting them aside from a need to give a semblance of having facts because “you gave a link.” Unfortunately for you, rational people who want to get to the truth, will go to a posted link to see if it supports the poster’s argument, your links didn’t.
Rational people who take the trouble to look at every major news article will note that all gave nearly identical worded information about the glitch Obama experienced trying to sign on. (Clue, that means that all these articles took the story almost word for word from either the AP or UPI, as is SOP in the news world.) All concur that the White House staff admitted that Obama was not in the healthcare.gov database. Therefore, reasonable, rational people can only conclude that you lied when you said he was.
Ditto
it prove that he and other obama loyals, take for granted as a Divive TRUTH,
anything they hear from the democrat gang.
NO WANDER THEY TALK LIKE THIS,
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone:
“they all have a unique way of dealing with the news”
For sure.
And you make a great point as there is not much of an alternative to FOX if you want something other than straight groupthink or journolist listserv bullet/talking points.
Namaste
@smrstrauss:
Jeopardy: Your job description says what?
“Orthodoxy means not thinking–not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
-Orwell
@smrstrauss:
Let’s define register. Did Obama register for healthcare or did his staff try to register him? Isn’t he vactaioning in Hawaii? Is that an action someone does on vacation?
Politico:
“But Obama did not directly sign up for insurance. Rather, his staff went in person to sign him up, an official told POLITICO.”
Words have meaning. But words are also lies.
Obama signed up for coverage only for himself and not for the rest of the first family, and will pay a premium that’s under $400 per month, the official said.
$400/month – half black subsidy?
“Like some Americans, the complicated nature of the president’s case required an in-person sign-up,” the official said. “As you’d expect, the president’s personal information is not readily available in the variety of government databases HealthCare.gov uses to verify identities.”
Transparency.
You said,
On Friday afternoon nearly 16,000 Iowans who tried to apply for coverage via the trouble-plagued federal health-insurance website were told to apply separately through the state Department of Human Services. Iowans were notified they must now reapply on the Iowa exchange.
There was only one problem — The Iowa exchange is currently down!
h/t jim hoft
Do you know about General Schedule and Clearances? The President is not in any database. The act of signing up while he was physically in Hawaii was theatre and ‘created news’.
@smrstrauss:
“It also is a LIE. He did register for healthcare, so, duh, he was”
For fun I googled smrstrauss and duh.
@Ditto: #716
You reminded me of the photographer Laura Ingraham had as a guest on her show many years ago who said she photographed the news photographers. Laura said the picture on the cover of the book the photographer wrote says it all. The world saw a picture of a Palestinian boy getting ready to throw a rock, presumably at Israeli soldiers. Every major news media showed that same picture. Her picture was different. She photographed the same boy at the same time, but from a different angle. Her picture showed the same Palestinian body in the same position, but he is standing in front of three rows of propaganda media photographers. The name of the book and the name of the author were named, but I was driving and couldn’t write the info down safely, and don’t remember either name. If anybody knows the name of the book, I would like to buy it
The next time you see videos of Palestinians or other Muslim organizations shooting, have you noticed that we hardly ever see what they are shooting at. Why don’t the photographers point their cameras where the bullets or rockets are going? I remember one scene where a pickup mounted gun is at a “T” intersection, and it is firing down what would be the leg of the “T”, and there are people in the background going about their business as usual, and one woman is even walking toward the vehicle doing the firing with a shopping bag in one hand. If there were an actual battle going on, and you were in the area, wouldn’t you be RUNNING AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE WITH THE SHOOTING GUN?
@Smorgasbord:
Back when I was a kid, a hometown Olympic medalist was to run down the block. The neighborhood was out and cheering. A van rolled down to the intersection. The medalist popped out. There was a photo-op and before you know it they jumped back into the van and puff, gone and they’re done.
Next day the local paper had an article about the ‘run down the block’ which never was.
Same thing w/ Pali media, and msm for that matter. Pushing perspective. Cinematography. Pali Pop Art for Grants.
@mossomo: #723
I used to live in a town that had the Gold Medal winner for archery. My mom took me there, and we visited for a few minutes. Mom asked to see the medal, but they had recently moved, and she didn’t have it available.
@Smorgasbord:
Most people are unaware that the majority of the MSM is lazy and rely on the feeds provided by such news agencies as the Associated Press and United Press International. Sometimes they may give it to a staff writer to make minor edits or add their own particular spin, but more often than not they just repeat the exact same story.
@Ditto:
For prosperity: News Agency Feeds
Back in the day of Nintendo SM Bros, underroes, and big satellite dishes I commandeered a family mem’s sat dish and somehow found and caught an AP live feed. Islamists, AK’s and murder. My first encounter with live reality television.
Find the bird and you’d have a live stream of the video they were beaming back to HQ. Some of it would make it to television. And others were too grisly for tv.
Flash forward to the Internet. Before pay walls, you could track the story of an AP, Reuters, AFP feed. You could literally see how a story developed. It was a MSM twitter. The dispatch would relay the story and the editor would edit the dispatch. Some feeds finally end up in the newspaper or would trend on the evening news.
@Ditto: #725
The propaganda media are also known to meet in hotel rooms in war zones and come up with what they are going to report on. It is much safer than going to the actual war zone. Like you said, the stories almost always use the same catch phrases. I don’t watch or read the propaganda media, so I am going by Fox News and conservative blog sites. Many times they have shown videos of different propaganda media reporters using the EXACT same statements.
Re: “The propaganda media are also known to meet in hotel rooms in war zones…”
Rational people will notice that Smorgasbord has not responded to the facts.
Re: ” Did Obama register for healthcare or did his staff try to register him?”
Answer: His staff did not “TRY” to register him, they DID register him. If you have any proof at all that they did not register him then SHOW IT—otherwise rational people will realize that it is just another birther lie. Birthers hope, without any proof to go on, that Obama does not have Social Security records proving that he is a US citizen and that he did not legally register for Social Security. This is the basis of the Harrison j. Bounel myth—which is, btw, not true.
Hence, the birthers MADE UP the claim that Obama could not register for Obamacare. But Obama was registered for Obamacare by his staff, and there is not a shred of evidence that they didn’t or that they couldn’t. It is just ANOTHER birther lie, like the blatant claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said repeatedly that he was born IN HAWAII.
Here are more classic birther lies:
(1) Birthers said that Obama’s draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I’ll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)
(2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?
(3) Birthers said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” Why do you suppose they did that?
(4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?
(6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say “I was born in Kenya..”” Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged “Kenyan birth certificates.”
(8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama’s BC—when there weren’t ANY???
(9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.
she said he was born in KENYA, and was TOLD ON THE PHONE,
after a mute time of hesitation, that it was HAWAII, and she politely obey the other,
and repeated HAWAII
why did a grand mother who live in kenya and was there,
say he was born in kenya ? to start,
you took the words of other for all your declaration here,
and you dare to make her a liar,
Re Kenyan grandmother. She NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. Not to start, not after, NEVER.
Here is the transcript of what she said:
MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
[Big discussion. Questions. Male voices only]
OGOMBE (The translator, and a cousin): No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.
MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.
OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. (6:13 on tape)
[At this point Ogombe asks a question to the grandmother and you can hear her voice. I think it says Hawaii; you may say that it is hard to hear. But you can hear something in a woman�s voice.]
OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.
Note that Ogombe did not know before he asked her where Obama was born. He asks the question, she replies. He then says clearly Hawaii and repeats it.
Ogombe then repeats that she was in Kenya when he was born and that he (Obama) was in Hawaii.
End transcript.
In short, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said exactly what Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate said, that Obama was born IN HAWAII, and she said exactly what the Kenyan government said, that Obama WAS NOT BORN IN KENYA. (And, BTW, according to the US Immigration and Naturalization Service Report for fiscal 1961 only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and all but one of those came by SHIP—and there were no regularly scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961. Yet birthers continue to be GULLIBLE.)
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. Never. Not once.
This transcript
shows that it was all the same translator, Ogombe, who was a young relative of some kind (some say a step-grandson). The transcript shows that she never says “I was present when he was born.” She says “Yes” to the question “was she present when”. But what did the question mean in Swahaili? In Swahili would the question “When he was born” necessarily mean “WHERE he was born?” We do not know. Some think that with the confusion of the call, the grandmother thought the question was “was she present in Kenya when he was born in Hawaii?” We do not know.
So the questioner asks a question that cannot be misinterpreted: “Whereabouts was he born?” The answer from Ogombe (and apparently from the grandmother too, since Ogombe appears to have known it was America, but not to have known it was Hawaii, and asked about it) was as you know, America, Hawaii etc.
To hear the full recording of the Obama grandmother interview, go to:
and then click on the words “full version the tape.”
In short, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII, and birther sites did not quote her words. What she said was exactly the same thing as Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate and the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers, all of which show that Obama was born in Hawaii, and it is exactly the same thing as what the Kenya government said, that Obama was NOT born in Kenya. And, BTW, only 21 people total came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 according to the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for fiscal 1961, and the report shows that of the 21 all but one came to the USA by SHIP—and there were no regularly scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii (or vice versa) in 1961. Yet birthers remain GULLIBLE.
@smrstrauss: The good news is that there seem to be fewer birthers and for the most part they are marginalized by a large majority of Repubs. and Conservatives, That is evidenced here at F.A. They are perceived as wackos, and most Repubs. see them as hurting the Party.
I believe the majority of those who remain birthers are your garden variety racists.
Richard Wheeler
stop talking about yourself, you also went through a birth,
I was wondering when you would show up,
I wish you a happy NEW YEAR TO YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES,
including your two mutt, ah ah ah, that was funny,
bye
@smrstrauss:
“Rational people will notice that … has not responded to the facts.”
Rational people. Again with the appeal to authority.
You said,
“Did Obama register for healthcare or did his staff try to register him? Answer: His staff did not “TRY” to register him, they DID register him.
Try. Did.
Again define the argument.
His staff [for context] didn’t try as they couldn’t register him on the website, so they did not. But they were afforded a special appointment with the head bureaucrat who could enroll him, so they did.
CBS DC LOCAL
You call that a win?
Exit question smrstrauss. CBS DC Local – rational or not?
Salt : Nearly 16,000 Iowans who tried to apply for coverage via the glitch-plagued federal health insurance website are being told to apply separately through the state Department of Human Services.
Did those 16K Iowans, TRY or DID?
Obama’s assistants registered Obama. He did not do it himself. Big deal. His assistants pack his bags and shine his shoes too. There is no evidence that they did anything other than go to the normal web site and sign up Obama, and that his Social Security information was accepted. IF you have evidence that his Social Security information was NOT accepted, or that his assistants did not go to the normal web site, then show it. A birther site has SPECULATED that that happened, but it has not shown a particle of evidence. No quotation from an assistant saying “his SS number was not available or did not match so we had to go to the head of the system and personally register him.” Nothing like that at all.
So, the “Obama could not be registered in Obamacare” story is simply another birther LIE, just like these lies:
(1) Birthers said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said that he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” Why do you suppose they did that?
(2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?
(3) Birthers said that Obama’s draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I’ll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)
(4) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?
(5) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(6) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say “I was born in Kenya..”” Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged “Kenyan birth certificates.”
(7) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama’s BC—when there weren’t ANY???
(8) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.
@smrstrauss:
“There is no evidence that they did anything other than go to the normal web site and sign up Obama … IF you have evidence that his assistants did not go to the normal web site, then show it.”
Your comprehension is not a strength. “Then show it” – I thought I had with the CBS link I provided. The Headline reported: Obama Couldn’t Use Website To Sign Up For Obamacare. Is CBS a birther outlet? Does CBS lie? Evidence or not?
But Obama did not directly sign up for insurance. Rather, his staff went in person to sign him up, an official told POLITICO.
Repeated here in the WaPo.
And again in NewsDay.
Are Politico, WaPo, and NewsDay birthers?
Skim post,
Ignore questions, evidence, and links,
Post irrelevant, birther crap, or made-up shit.
The usual lib troll poster.
What is a Big Deal.
Forbes reports only 1.1M have signed up for ObamaCare. While 4.2M Americans have been dropped from their plans. Interesting more, CBS ran a poll: Many [previously] uninsured haven’t explored Obamacare options.
What is even more frightening, the King changes a law again simply by utterance and the parliament remains quiet.
WaPo. Obama administration quietly extends health-care enrollment deadline by a day
mossomo
who”s in charge of giving him his penalty lately ?
THERE IS MANY AT THIS POINT,
@mossomo:
Certainly there is no doubt whatsoever that the MSM will ignore any news reports that do not reflect their agenda. It’s a maddening how uninformed the Democrat’s defacto propaganda ministry keep the public.
@smrstrauss:
Hey Dipsy, it was his staff that said they had to go down to an office because his personal data wasn’t in the database. It wasn’t birthers that came out with that story. Did you tell your wife that you proposed homosexual sex to someone on this blog? Was it okay with her?
@mossomo: 721
I notice that smrstrauss uses ‘duh’ regularly, that is the word that Dumbasses use when they can’t think of the correct word.
@Richard Wheeler: 732
RW, and you think that is complimentary? A few Repubs are perceived as wackos and all libs are perceived as wackos, large margin there.
@mossomo: 734
Do you realize these bureaucrats probably committed a crime by entering false data into a government web site?
Hey smrstrauss, you didn’t say what your wife thinks about you proposing homosexual activities on this blog. Come on, tell us.
@Ditto: #741
An informed public can think for themselves.
@Redteam: #745
It’s only a crime if Eric Holder says it is a crime, and liberals don’t commit any crimes.
@Smorgasbord: Well, hadn’t actually thought of it that way.
CURT, HAPPY NEW YEAR,
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL MY FRIENDS HERE AND TO FLOPPING ACES VISITORS,