The Ever Expanding Reach of Government Control Over the Internet [Reader Post]

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Under the public radar, and little talked about in the MSM is the growing expansion of government intrusion into our privacy and the expansion of it’s control over internet. Let’s look at some of this:

Obama and Congress consider expanding government wiretapping

U.S. Weighs Wide Overhaul of Wiretap Laws

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, resolving years of internal debate, is on the verge of backing a Federal Bureau of Investigation plan for a sweeping overhaul of surveillance laws that would make it easier to wiretap people who communicate using the Internet rather than by traditional phone services, according to officials familiar with the deliberations.

The F.B.I. director, Robert S. Mueller III, has argued that the bureau’s ability to carry out court-approved eavesdropping on suspects is “going dark” as communications technology evolves, and since 2010 has pushed for a legal mandate requiring companies like Facebook and Google to build into their instant-messaging and other such systems a capacity to comply with wiretap orders. That proposal, however, bogged down amid concerns by other agencies, like the Commerce Department, about quashing Silicon Valley innovation.

A central element of the F.B.I.’s proposal is to expand the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act — a 1994 law that already requires phone and network carriers to build interception capabilities into their systems — so that it would also cover Internet-based services that allow people to communicate. Fines could start at $25,000 a day.

Albert Gidari Jr., who represents technology companies on law enforcement matters, criticized that proposed procedure. He argued that if the United States started imposing fines on foreign Internet firms, it would encourage other countries, some of which may be looking for political dissidents, to penalize American companies if they refused to turn over users’ information.

“We’ll look a lot more like China than America after this,” Mr. Gidari said.

The 1994 law would be expanded to cover peer-to-peer voice-over-Internet protocol, or VoIP — calls between computers that do not connect to the regular phone network. Such services typically do not route data packets through any central hub, making them difficult to intercept.

The Federal Bureaucracy has been continually spreading it’s roots of control into various areas of the new medium. This has been very worrying to advocates of internet privacy and freedom.

The FBI’s proposal requires Internet communication companies to build in a wiretapping capacity, and will establish fines for companies that do not cooperate.

“I think the F.B.I.’s proposal would render Internet communications less secure and more vulnerable to hackers and identity thieves,” said Gregory T. Nojeim of the Center for Democracy and Technology. “It would also mean that innovators who want to avoid new and expensive mandates will take their innovations abroad and develop them there, where there aren’t the same mandates.”


Andrew Weissmann, the general counsel of the F.B.I., said in a statement that the proposal was aimed only at preserving law enforcement officials’ longstanding ability to investigate suspected criminals, spies and terrorists subject to a court’s permission.
“This doesn’t create any new legal surveillance authority,” he said. “This always requires a court order. None of the ‘going dark’ solutions would do anything except update the law given means of modern communications.”

…Months before the debate about Internet censorship raged as SOPA and PIPA dominated the concerns of web users, President Obama signed an international treaty that would allow companies in China or any other country in the world to demand ISPs remove web content in the US with no legal oversight whatsoever.

Obama has signed the following executive orders:

Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions
Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, or CISPA.
The “top secret “Presidential Policy Directive 20 on cyber-security. (This may be innocuous, but as it’s classified and a non-secret summery has not been released, who can say?)

And the following controversial laws and treatys:

21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act (CVAA)
Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA)
Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act (PIPA)
Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA)

Currently proposed are:

Leadership of both parties seems to have little problem with the expansion of government control of the internet and expanding it’s ability to spy on the public. How far should we trust the government? It is truly appalling in today’s “information age” what we don’t know because the MSM and our government wont inform the public.

50 Responses to “The Ever Expanding Reach of Government Control Over the Internet [Reader Post]”

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    Neither Obama nor Congress has officially declared war on the American people, nor have they suspended our Constitution (which would be a treasonous act in itself). That you think that a President and his administration “can do pretty much whatever he wants”, so long as he declares it is related to a war effort, simply shows how ignorant you are. War powers are not limitless, and even your fellow Democrats understood this truth during Bush’s reign.

    From the CATO Institute: No, a President Can’t Do as He Pleases (Edward H. Crane and Robert A. Levy – This article appeared in The Star-Ledger on February 13, 2008.)

    Recently, in a series of decisions — Hamdi vs. Rumsfeld (2004), Rasul vs. Bush (2004) and Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld (2006) — the Supreme Court has again rejected the notion that the executive may do pretty much as it pleases in wartime, regardless of congressional input. As a result, the Bush administration was dragged kicking and screaming into seeking authorization from Congress — for the Detainee Treatment Act (2005), Military Commissions Act (2006), the Protect America Act (2007) and now two pending bills to reautho rize the Terrorist Surveillance Program (the RESTORE Act in the House and the FISA Amendments Act in the Senate).

    The rules don’t change simply because it is your guy who occupies the office.

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    @Ditto: #2
    Let’s keep in mind that Bush wanted to track known or suspected terrorists in the USA that were not US citizens. The law didn’t apply to US citizens. obama wants to be able to tap into all that we do.

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    ONE thing IT make me think that RAND PAUL would cut this law
    when elected, he is for freedom and would dismantle many of those,
    laws which infringed in the PRIVACY would be annulled,
    I cannot believe that the IRS had targeted some CONSERVATIVES AND TEA PARTY
    asking them to reveal their members’s name and other questions not allowed,
    they now apologize but the apology was refused,
    so imagine if a law like they want to bring would be abused to the maximum
    by this administration, it’s sound like a COMMUNIST LAW to further their control
    on who is not with them.
    what would come next? arrest the people? 25 thousand fee for not complying,
    look what they are doing to the MILITARY who are CHRISTIAN,
    and where does that influence come from,
    well the WHITE HOUSE who is infiltrated with MUSLIMS now STARTING THEIR GAME OF ERADICATION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH, and they target first the MILITARY IN A WARZONE,
    just like they do for other infringement on liberty, always target the one
    who they know will carry the orders,all those efforts to eradicate the religion
    stink like them, and should be challenge at the beginning,
    the BENGHASI gave us a proof of their abusive control
    even in time of crisis, they order the help to stand down,
    how lower can you get, how far can you go to win the election by having braves let down to be killed,
    all those are signs of their ANTI AMERICANS will to take over AMERICA, by controlling it with orders and laws
    so to change this COUNTRY and sell it to
    the WORLD ORGANIZATION the UN waiting to finis the job,

  4. 5


    It is not so far-fetched to imagine a government spying on people’s website visits and using the IRS or other government agencies to intimidate them, particularly not after the IRS admitted to more scrutiny to organizations applying for tax-exempt status simply because of a few code-words in their application.

    Don’t think it can happen?

    Just remember how any of the various murdering thugs went about purging their countries of the “dissidents” they identified. History can teach us a lot. One of the things that it teaches us is that some people will go to any lengths to quiet voices of contention to their idealistic visions of how the world should be.

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    Wiretap capabilities has grown as if on steroids, and has secretly discarded many of the warrant limitations according to the following CNN report:

    Are all telephone calls recorded and accessible to the US government? A former FBI counterterrorism agent claims on CNN that this is the case

    The real capabilities and behavior of the US surveillance state are almost entirely unknown to the American public because, like most things of significance done by the US government, it operates behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy. But a seemingly spontaneous admission this week by a former FBI counterterrorism agent provides a rather startling acknowledgment of just how vast and invasive these surveillance activities are.

    This came out during the Boston Bombing investigation:

    BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It’s not a voice mail. It’s just a conversation. There’s no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?

    CLEMENTE: “No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It’s not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.

    BURNETT: “So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.

    CLEMENTE: “No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not.”

    “All of that stuff” – meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant – “is being captured as we speak”.

    The implications are clear:

    Let’s repeat that last part: “no digital communication is secure”, by which he means not that any communication is susceptible to government interception as it happens (although that is true), but far beyond that: all digital communications – meaning telephone calls, emails, online chats and the like – are automatically recorded and stored and accessible to the government after the fact. To describe that is to define what a ubiquitous, limitless Surveillance State is.

    We are one step away from the totalitarianism of George Orwell’s 1984

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    another vet

    @Smorgasbord: and Ditto

    At least one of his trolling sheep has already come here stating he was “turning us in” to attackwatch. Maybe if Curt gets a secret reverse tracking device, he’ll be able to tell if we are being monitored! : )

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    another vet
    oh yes they come here to get us angry enough to give the amunition they need,
    they are a bunch of sheep cowards who will hide anytime they are called for,
    turning us for attackwatch, we’ll give them work and turn them in traitor watch,
    because they are traitors just like the WHITE HOUSE who nominate a traitor to harass the MILITARY
    and their faith in GOD,
    let’s see what THEIR OWN religion , when they are expose as traitor enemies of AMERICA. will do for them

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    @another vet: #10
    Curt is ex military, conservative, a blogger of his conservative and pro military ideals. He’s being monitored. It might not be by the government, but the ones who run the ones who run the government are monitoring him.

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    @Ditto: #13
    There is a virus that can turn on your web cam and not have the light come on, so the person can watch you without you knowing it. I suggest everyone cove their camera up when you aren’t using it.

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    another vet

    @Smorgasbord: Then Curt meets at least 3 criteria for being a potential extremist. Perhaps we should have a contest to see who here meets the most criteria. Maybe we can try to request our profiles from DHS through the FOIA to determine the winner.

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    another vet

    @ilovebeeswarzone: We are almost overdue for a quick surge of trolls. It seems to happen every other month or so where they come here and saturate the place with their crap and then never come back. It’s their way of getting off.

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    another vet
    you meant the spring trash,
    I learned more ENGLISH now,that would give me and edge on them,
    because all they know is insult attacks,
    compare to me with kind answers that render the opponent disable for life,
    once they show up they are on our list to torment them forever.

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    another vet
    and you might be the last one behind left alone,
    because you are so correct and well mannered,
    they would not see nothing behind that cover,
    am I right soldier?
    it remind me of GENERAL MATTIS, saying nice thing to THE AFGHANS,
    and followed by : IF YOU CROSS ME you will see ta ta ta

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    Update: Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative’s top executive called a “massive and unprecedented intrusion” into how news organizations gather the news.

    The records obtained by the Justice Department listed incoming and outgoing calls, and the duration of each call, for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and the main number for AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP.

    Looks like now that the MSM has finally started reporting on the Begazi cover-up, Holder and Obama are firing a warning shot over their bows. Going after the AP is a very dangerous move for this administration.

    In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

    “There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP’s newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP’s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know,” Pruitt said.

    There appears to be no specific reason given behind the Justice Department’s demands, nor any indication of what they are looking for. The 1st Amendment implications should have every new organization sitting up and taking notice. I for one will look forward to watching the blow-back on this.

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    Bear with me here. I’m going to jump around a bit in this article before making my end point as to why this is relevant.

    Obama’s usual campaign method, used in 100 percent of his races, has been to pry into the private records of his opponents.

    Let’s take a romp down memory lane and review the typical Obama campaign strategy. Obama became a U.S. senator only by virtue of David Axelrod’s former employer, the Chicago Tribune, ripping open the sealed divorce records of Obama’s two principal opponents.

    Those records were under seal, but as The New York Times noted: “The Tribune reporter who wrote the original piece later acknowledged in print that the Obama camp had ‘worked aggressively behind the scenes’ to push the story.” Many people said Axelrod had “an even more significant role — that he leaked the initial story.”

    After having held a substantial lead just a month before the primary, Hull’s campaign collapsed with the chatter about his divorce. Obama sailed to the front of the pack and won the primary. Hull finished third with 10 percent of the vote.

    As luck would have it, Obama’s opponent in the general election had also been divorced! Jack Ryan was tall, handsome, Catholic — and shared a name with one of Harrison Ford’s most popular onscreen characters! He went to Dartmouth, Harvard Law and Harvard Business School, made hundreds of millions of dollars as a partner at Goldman Sachs, and then, in his early 40s, left investment banking to teach at an inner city school on the South Side of Chicago.

    Ryan would have walloped Obama in the Senate race. But at the request of — again — the Chicago Tribune, California Judge Robert Schnider unsealed the custody papers in Ryan’s divorce five years earlier from Hollywood starlet Jeri Lynn Ryan, the bombshell Borg on “Star Trek: Voyager.”

    Jack Ryan had released his tax records. He had released his divorce records. But both he and his ex-wife sought to keep the custody records under seal to protect their son.

    And that’s how Obama became a U.S. senator. He destroyed both his Democratic primary opponent and his Republican general election opponent with salacious allegations about their personal lives taken from “sealed” court records.

    Obama’s team delved into Sarah Palin’s marriage and spread rumors of John McCain’s alleged affair in 2008 and they smeared Herman Cain in 2011 with hazy sexual harassment allegations all emanating from David Axelrod’s pals in Chicago.

    It’s almost like a serial killer’s signature. Unsealed personal records have been released to the press. Obama must be running for office!

    Pretty hypocritical for a politician who insured that all his own records are sealed. This is precisely why we must oppose these expansions of “big Brother” intrusions. Given all this and connecting all the dots, with the current IRS scandal, and the Justice Department now going after the AP held in mind, we can clearly see the danger in having a high power ideological extremist administration, (with a record of improperly using sealed records against what they may consider as political opponents,) in control of the highest office of our nation. All Americans (including the MSM) should be chilled by these revelations.

    Another Update:

    The IRS admits to ‘targeting’ conservative groups, but were they also ‘leaking’?

    In a 2012 speech, Sen. Mitch McConnell noted, “The head of one national advocacy group has released documents which show that his group’s confidential IRS information found its way into the hands of a staunch critic on the Left who also happens to be a co-chairman of President Obama’s re-election committee. The only way this information could have been made public is if someone leaked it from inside the IRS.”

    And so, the next question may be this: If the IRS was targeting conservative groups — as they now admit to doing — were they also leaking information?

    UPDATE: In December of 2012, ProPublica wrote that they had obtained the application for recognition of tax-exempt status for Crossroads GPS, filed in September of 2010

    Remember that as stated above, in previous elections Obama operatives released not-public records to aid their campaign.

    Now — on the heels of news the IRS’s apology for having targeted conservative groups — NOM is renewing their demand that the Internal Revenue Service reveal the identity of the people responsible.

    “There is little question that one or more employees at the IRS stole our confidential tax return and leaked it to our political enemies, in violation of federal law,” said NOM’s president Brian Brow, in a prepared statement. “The only questions are who did it, and whether there was any knowledge or coordination between people in the White House, the Obama reelection campaign and the Human Rights Campaign. We and the American people deserve answers.”

    Read more:

    Folks it’s clear that the Obama administration has been continuing it’s Chicago modus operandus for their own political purposes. This is impeachable criminal behavior.

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    he is despicable person not to be like, and a dangerous snake who crawl under the grownd to
    hit his unsuspected opponent even going criminal to have seal papers open ,
    no wonder he is afraid to be found ,
    his identity is clearly of a criminal, and dangerous gang leader, would not stop to nothing to win
    his election,
    his time is up arrest him

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    @another vet: #16
    Paraphrasing a saying the religious community has: If you were accused of being a Tea Partier, would there be enough evidence to convict you?

    I’ve been to most of the Tea Party rallies in washington d.c., and mailed obama his Pink Slip, and I signed it, so I’m guessing they have a pretty big file on me. I’m guessing that Curt’s would win first place easily, so he should be disqualified from entering the contest.

    Since you are sponsoring the contest, you have to come up with prizes for the winners. Maybe there could be categories.

    http:[email protected]/5253907502/in/photostream

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    another vet

    @Smorgasbord: Curt may just win because he provides a venue for us to come together and speak our minds. I’ll have to think about the prize. Perhaps we can get one of Obama’s supporters to donate his/her secret decoder ring.

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    @another vet:

    If you leave it to Obama’s crew:

    3rd Place Runner-up will receive 100 free full-service TSA screenings.
    2nd prize will get you continual complementary shadowing at home and work by the Secret Service for the next three years
    1st Prize contestant will have their phones and internet services wiretapped and GPS tracking on all their vehicles.
    The Grand Prize Winner will be given a lifetime supply of IRS audits and all their personal records handed over to the MSM.

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    no digital communication is secure


    1) Use proxies when appropriate, there is no expectation of www anonymity w/o taking steps to preserve that anonymity
    2) Internet cookies report your web activity. Cookies can be the herpes of web browsing.
    3) An alias goes a long way, you have to be really annoying for a public sector worker to take interest and exert the effort to dox you
    4) Don’t troll. Avoid redflag words.
    5) Don’t use the SAME PASSWORD FOR ALL YOUR ACCOUNTS. Social Engineering. Just don’t do it.
    6) Ditch your FaceBook. If I was FBI, hell yes when 3/4 of the citizenship are spying on themselves
    7) Cellphones/PDA/SIM cards = triangulation. Like to be tracked?

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    @another vet: #29
    If Curt is allowed to enter the contest, I don’t that anyone else would. It would be like me entering a weight lifting contest, or a marathon. I would be lucky to survive, let alone FINISH.

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    3) An alias goes a long way, you have to be really annoying for a public sector worker to take interest and exert the effort to dox you

    However, should you decide to use your real name and you are a Conservative or Republican and you happen to irk Democrat off, members of the far-left may target you for “special attention” including SWATting, mob harassment of your family, home, or work, vandalism of your vehicles, home or workplace, frivolous lawsuits, etc.

    4) Don’t troll. Avoid redflag words.

    Such as: Patriot, Constitution, 2nd Amendment rights, Bill of Rights, Founding Fathers, God…

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    @ilovebeeswarzone: #30
    I am rich in many way, but not financially. If I could go back in time knowing what I know now, I probably would have been able to retire around age 50, like a lot of people I have talked to have.

    You reminded me of a CB conversation. Sometimes when truck drivers were talking about how wealthy some people are, I would say, “All I want is to be paid what I’m worth for one year, then I could quit, retire, and live quite well the rest of my life. I would then wait for the negative answers, which would be a very small amount.

    One time when I said the above, one driver said, “I’d like to buy that guy at what he IS worth, and sell him for what he THINKS he’s worth.” For some time after that I was a little mad at him for the answer. He hurt my pride. Then, I finally figured if you ask for something, and you get what you asked for, you can’t complain, and I have been laughing ever since. I wish I would have thought to ask him how much of a profit he thought he would make.

    This reminds me of other CB conversations where drivers would be talking about how fast their trucks would go. I would say, “All I want is to drive a truck that would my IQ, just so I would know what it feels like.” I would usually get the, “You need to drive for Schneider.” answer, because at that time they paid their drivers to drive 55. One time, a driver told me, “You’d be driving backwards.” I didn’t like that answer either.

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    @Ditto: #31
    I vote for Ditto to head up the prize committee. If he can come up with prizes that obama’s crew might give, think what kind of prizes he can come up with for ACTUAL prizes we would strive for.

    We know that if Curt would enter, he would win, so let’s not tell him about it until it is over.

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    @mossomo: #32
    Recently, I installed Norton Internet Security, which includes a program to stop tracking. On the page we are on now, it says it is blocking Google + 1, Facebook Connect, and six companies from tracking me, two of them Google companies, and it has a total of 84,826 blocks since I installed it about a month ago.

    I have it set up so that any application that tries to use the Internet will open up a window that asks me if I want to allow it. I decide what goes in or out of my computer. It is well worth the price of the software just for the blocking feature.

    Anyone who uses Google is just supporting a very liberal company that helped obama get elected by being able to tell them which people to call or mail to, and which ones not to waste their time one (like frequent readers of Flopping Aces).

    There are search engines that don’t track your web searches. Just put something like, “search engines that don’t track you” in your search window and pick one. I picked Ixquick at random, and I find things I want with it. Google also edits their help suggestions for your searches so that you don’t go where they don’t want you to. If you ever see a window that tells you that going to that web sight could harm your computer, that is the one you should go to. It seems to always be CONSERVATIVE blogs where that window pops up.

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    @Ditto: #34
    Are you saying that I shouldn’t have mailed obama his Pink Slip, and put my mailing address on in? I have moved since then, so he can’t find me now. LOL As I have said many times, I’m glad I live in Idaho another state.

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    I recommend the “Safe” services (only) tweaks on Black Viper’s page.

    To see their effectiveness, visit Gibson Research Corporation’s “ShieldsUp!” page to see how your system’s security measures up. The go to Blackviper’s site and tweak your services. reboot than go back to the “Shields-Up!” and go through the tests again.

    (Note: If you have allowed Microsoft update to apply security updates to your computer you should pass the “Shields-Up!” tests. It still won’t hurt to include BlackViper’s “Safe” tweaks. Do not turn off the one for wireless networking if you have a secure wireless connection for your WiFi laptop. Connecting to open WiFi’s is not recommended if you keep sensitive files on your computer, and never use an open WiFi for transactions or bill paying.

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    absolutely, I know you can wear a scotish skirt and dance the CROSS SWORD DANCE,
    not dull for sure,

    I hope you don’t have pictures of that. (And if you, do we all hope they aren’t “up-skirt” shots.)

    Hey Bees, you know what a Scotsman wears under his kilt? . . .

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    . . . Talcum powder.


    I vote for Ditto to head up the prize committee. If he can come up with prizes that obama�s crew might give, think what kind of prizes he can come up with for ACTUAL prizes we would strive for.

    Hmm. Prizes to strive for?

    Sure, I can do that as long as I don’t have to arrange them and it doesn’t come out of my pocket.

    3rd Place Runner-up: A week of hunting, fishing and hanging with the Palins.
    2nd Prize: A lifetime press pass to all gun/outdoorsman shows and conventions.
    1st Prize: Chairmanship of the GOP.
    The Grand Prize Winner: Tapped to fill W.H. Chief of Staff for the 2016 newly-elected Republican President.

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    @Ditto: #39
    I went to a Mac years ago. I got tired of my PC crashing as much as it did. Macs never used to have viruses, because nobody made any for them since the PCs had a much bigger percentage than they do now. The viruses are coming to the Macs now, so I got the protection software.

    I hope nobody went to Windows 8 yet. I haven’t read anything good about it yet, only bad. It seems Windows puts out their stuff and lets the customer test it. I have said that Vista sold more Macs than anything when it had the problems it did. Apple used Vista’s problems to sell more Macs:

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    talcum powder and nothing,
    I think they are good dancers because we tried so much to be alert and look for the split second where that skirt will take a flight
    and it never happened

  31. 43


    A FOX GUEST said the IRS can destroy someone,
    YES SIR, I cannot forget some years back 3 or 4,
    one blogger said about the one selling newspaper on a corner boot,
    early morning a young man married with two child,
    and some day the IRS came to his house and lock it down in front of his wife and kids
    out side waiting for him to come after work,
    the one telling the story was shaken by it,
    the wife left him and with the kids went away,
    he never returned to his boot of news paper and disapear , they never seen him again,
    the IRS had pick on a poor bugger trying to make it work and feed his family,
    It broke my heart, I never could forget that tragedy which THE IRS where the responsible
    to have made,
    yes they can destroy, they DID destroy how many more good AMERICANS having a hard time,
    they are caught now and they must pay for all the other they put on the street also,
    fired them all, rejuvenate the IRS as human who could make a deal to accomodate a young family
    instead of destroying lives and family,
    let them feel the pain,

  32. 44


    @Ditto: #40

    1st Prize: Chairmanship of the GOP.

    Wouldn’t that be like getting to be captain of the Titanic. The GOP let an illegal become president. I think they will go down with the DNC when all comes out.

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    It kind of depends on when the winners are selected and prizes are given out.

    If you are made captain in ample time to learn about the danger and correct course, or after the ship has hit and start’s taking on water and everyone then comes up to you to ask what to do.

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    I know how you feel with the GOP. It seems like they’ve spotted the illegal immigration iceberg and instead of steering clear to insure the security of the paying passengers, the bridge crew has decided to try ramming it through.

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    @Ditto: #47
    Originally, the democrats wanted the illegals for votes. The republicans wanted them because the businesses who donate to the GOP wanted the cheep labor. The republicans now see that they to can get votes from the illegals. The politicians think it is better to save their careers than to save the country.

  36. 49


    NO, it’s not the GOP who allowed OBAMA to become PRESIDENT,
    plus the IGNORANT UNINFORMED who have no excuses for voting him twice, plus those hired in GOVERNMENT JOBS scare to loose their jobs,
    fuck AMERICA in danger, now they starting to be scare because they see the end coming for them,

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