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103 Responses to “Lynch George Zimmerman! [Reader Post]”

  1. 26

    DrJohn

    author

    @MataHarley:

    So in your view, the only one allowed self defense is Zimmerman, and not Martin? Interesting concept.

    You’ve got to stop putting words in people’s mouths and then slamming them for it. Really.

  2. 27

    MataHarley

    premium_subscriber

    Didn’t put words in your mouth, drj. Used your own. You said it was Zimmerman’s self defense…“thanks for playing”, yet ignore that it can actually be Martin’s self defense. That is what will have to be determined by a more thorough investigation… just who tracked down whom and how the altercation began.

  3. 28

    John Cooper

    If blacks would stop committing 80% of the crime in America, people might stop being suspicious of them. Two hours ago I was grocery shopping in a small supermarket and there were two young black men hanging around the meat counter. They had no shopping cart and they didn’t seem to be looking for anything in particular. They weren’t from around here. It looked to me like they were waiting until customers left the area so they could start stuffing rib-eyes in their baggy pants. I hope the store had security cameras behind that mirrored window behind the counter, ’cause I’d bet money that they were up to no good. I thought of dialing 911 on my cell phone, but said “screw it”.

  4. 29

    Keyser Söze

    According to the 2005 Homicide Report of the Chicago Police Department, the murder clearance rate (in terms of an arrest being made within two years of the homicide) has dropped from over 70% for 1991 to under 60% for 2003. Summer months have significantly higher murder rates, and over 70% of murders take place between 7PM and 5AM. The percentage of murder offenders between 14 and 16 years of age has declined from a 1994 high of approximately 15% to approximately 6% in 2005.
    In 2005, 75% of murders involved a firearm, and 11% were the result of a stabbing. 41% of domestic murders were stabbings. 10% of murders in 2005 (39) were the result of an armed robbery, 9% were of undetermined cause, and at least 30% were gang altercations. Over 40% of victims and 60% of offenders were between the ages of 17 and 25. 85% of victims and 93% of offenders were male. 76% of victims were African American (77.4% of offenders were), 18.3% were Hispanic (17.3% of offenders), and 5.6% were white (5.3% of offenders). The African American murder victimization rate was approximately 34 per 100,000; the Hispanic rate was 11 per 100,000, and the white rate 3 per 100,000. Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history. 11% of armed robbery victims were female, 50% of domestic victims were female, and 7% of gang-related victims were female. 31% of armed robbery victims were over 45 years old. 29% of domestic-related murders were committed by women. From 1991 to 2005, 19.2% of armed robbery murder victims were white, and only 4.3% of armed robbery murder offenders were white.

    (2005) Victims of gang-related murders: 70% African American, 26% Hispanic, 3% white; 93% male. Offenders in gang-related murders: 76% African American, 20% Hispanic, 3% white; 99% male. Victims of domestic-related murders: 79% African American, 10% Hispanic, 11% white. Victims of armed robbery—related murders: 68% African American, 13% Hispanic, 19% white, 89% male. Offenders in armed robbery—related murders: 87% African American, 9% Hispanic, 4% white; 93% male.

    No, youth violence isn’t just a Chicago problem. Urban school districts across the country flood school areas with police officers at dismissal time. But youth violence is definitely correlated with race. Though rates of youth killings and shootings vary—Chicago children under the age of 17 are killed at four times the rate of New York children, for example—youth violence is disproportionately a “black problem” and, to a lesser extent, a Hispanic one. According to James Alan Fox and Marc Swatt of Northeastern University, the national rate of homicide commission for black males between the ages of 14 and 17 is ten times higher than that of “whites,” into which category the federal government puts the vast majority of Hispanics. Black juveniles accounted for 78 percent of all juvenile arrests between 2003 and 2008 in Chicago; Hispanics were 18 percent, and whites, 3.5 percent, of those arrests. Recognizing that tough truth is the only hope for coming up with a way to change it.
    In Chicago, blacks, at least 35 percent of the population, commit 76 percent of all homicides; whites, about 28 percent of the population, commit 4 percent, and Hispanics, 30 percent of the population, commit 19 percent. The most significant difference between these demographic groups is family structure. In Cook County—which includes both Chicago and some of its suburbs and probably therefore contains a higher proportion of middle-class black families than the city proper—79 percent of all black children were born out of wedlock in 2003, compared with 15 percent of white children. Until that gap closes, the crime gap won’t close, either.

  5. 32

    mathman

    Not to worry.
    Mr Zimmerman will soon be dead, at the hands of the New Black Panther Party (D-Obama).
    That is what a bounty is for.
    And there will be no prosecution, as the NBPP has the express imprimatur of Obama.
    Holder has told us so.
    So Zimmerman will be dead. There will be no justice.
    And Obama will campaign on being against whitey.
    And the Republicans will fail to campaign on the vicious and unprecedented war on Hispanics being carried out by Obama, Holder, and the NBPP.

    By the way, why were vigilantes needed? Were the police not handling things?

  6. 33

    Aqua

    @retire05:
    Here you go:

    776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
    (1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
    (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
    (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
    (2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
    (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
    (b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
    (c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
    (d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
    (3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    (4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
    (5) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
    (b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
    (c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

  7. 34

    retire05

    @Aqua:

    I assume that is Florida statute? If so, did Zimmerman have an equal right to be in a common area where Martin was? If Zimmerman initiated the scuffle, he was at fault. If Martin initiated the scuffle, did Zimmerman not have the right to defend himself against bodily injury as listed in (d) (3)?

    Instead of all the hyperbole and supposition on the part of people who were NOT there, why don’t we just allow the State of Florida to sort it out?

  8. 35

    Aqua

    @retire05:

    I assume that is Florida statute?

    Yes

    If so, did Zimmerman have an equal right to be in a common area where Martin was?

    Sure. Zimmerman happens to be in an area, Martin happens to be in the same area, and an argument breaks out, I think it is a different situation. I live in a cul-de-sac and we have a neighborhood watch program. If I see cars or people that don’t belong, I have no problem going out to ask them what they are doing here. If they take off running or speed away in their cars, I’m done. I would call the cops, give them a description or a license plate number. I would not run after them or get in my car and chase them down. I have never walked into my office and seen a cop trying to do my job and I’m not going to do it to them. I’m not trained to pursue a suspect and have no legal authority to do so.

    Instead of all the hyperbole and supposition on the part of people who were NOT there, why don’t we just allow the State of Florida to sort it out?

    I’m all in favor of that. Just as I don’t believe race played any part in the shooting, and people don’t need to jump to that conclusion, neither do I believe people should be jumping to conclusion that this was a justified self defense in line with the stand your ground law. I happen to like the law, a lot. I have a conceal carry permit and I don’t want people screwing up a good law.

  9. 36

    Pedro Sykes

    Could it be that since this occurred in a “gated community” that there have been a number of crimes occurring in the community. The purpose of a Community Watch is for the members to be aware of all of the members of the community and work together with the Police to protect each other. Some Watches have citizen patrols to help protect the neighborhood. If they were having patrols then I have to believe that they were having a crime problem.

    If Mr Martin was in a neighborhood, late at night, looking around, and acting suspicion then Mr. Zimmerman was justified in trying to get close enough to see who he was and if he was a local and part of the community. That is not stalking, it is acting for the good of the community. If Mr. Martin was trespassing–gated communities usually have private streets–then he MAY have been up to no good.

    The one thing that I’ve not heard is how far Mr. Martin lived from the crime scene. Could it be that Mr. Zimmerman was attacked because he got close enough to recognize Mr. Martin and might have been able to identify him later. If you are attacked in your own neighborhood when you are simply trying to defend your property, then you don’t want to become a victim. If Mr. Martin did attack Mr. Zimmerman, then he was justified to protect himself. Self defense is a natural right. I don’t know the facts, but I’ve yet to hear anyone put forward this possibility. Which to me–as a President of a Community Watch–sounds reasonable.

  10. 39

    TSgt Ciz

    A little palate clearing:
    Re: the pictures.
    They prove absolutely nothing as regards the events of that night. I’ll be the first to say that.
    It does prove that the image the media is painting about them both is severely slanted. It also establishes, the kid is not some angel like the media is trying to make him out to be. I am far from wanting to prosecute Tray for the pictures flashing gang signs and such. But I am just as far from wanting to hang a halo on him. Or on Zimmerman for that matter.
    The police need to be allowed to do their jobs and report on their findings without all the crappy games the media and the Liberal (BIRM) are trying to play. People need to be very careful about blanket declarations that no one having a right to use deadly force if they were attacked in such a fashion as is alleged, and frankly, as is supported by the physical evidence and the eye witnesses thus far known to us.

  11. 41

    John Cooper

    @Aqua:I think you quoted the wrong Florida Statute there. You wanted this one:

    776.012 Use of force in defense of person.

    —A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
    (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

    It’s perfectly legal in Florida to use deadly force to prevent great bodily harm. Jeb Bush doesn’t know that the F**k he’s talking about.

  12. 42

    Pedro Sykes

    @Aqua: This was not a cul-de-sac. It was in a gated community. I don’t live in a gated community, but access to these communities are usually more protected. That does not mean that Mr. Martin could have been visiting someone in the neighborhood, but if he had a justifiable reason to be in the community, then he should not have been defensive. Of course being followed by someone at night could scare anyone no matter how justified they felt in walking down the street. But that did not mean that he had the right to attack anyone. Waiting for the Police would have been the best course of action, that didn’t happen. The Police can not be everywhere, that is why we have community watches.

    I already see some push back against community watches in the media. Will they be the next target? I would not be surprised.

    “http://pedros-podium.blogspot.com/2012/03/thoughts-from-thursday-3-22-2012.html

  13. 43

    TSgt Ciz

    @Aqua comment #35
    Apparently you would get an ass-whipping from Aye for daring to ask why he was there. Might want to make sure you keep that in mind.

    I think your analogy of taking off in a car to follow someone out of your cul-de-sac is an apples to oranges comparison. Think more like, you go out to ask the people what/who they are looking for, and before you can get to them they walk over and slip between your neighbors houses into yours and the neighbors back yards. At night. When no one else is there. So, do you walk over, not so much to try and stop them, but just enough to see what they are doing and where they are going.
    You wouldn’t do that?

    I would and I have. We had a drug house open up on the opposite side of the block across the street from me. The buyers would park on our street and cut between my neighbors houses to go into the drug house via the back door. Twice they had broken into the good neighbors house, and elderly lady now deceased, and once she was home, so they knocked her down, broke her hip, and stole her medications. So we started stopping everyone who would park on our street if we didn’t know them, ask their names and take down their license plate numbers, and followed them to the house they went to. Soon no one wanted to go to that drug house, and the police had all the information they needed to reign hell on a lot of druggies. Crime went way down for many blocks around.

  14. 44

    Pedro Sykes

    @TSgt Ciz: Great story. That is the reason we formed our watch. Someone kicked in the backdoor of a home down the road from my house and cleaned them out. No one saw a thing. When my neighbor and I started to form it, most of our neighbors did not know each other. Now we know each other and who is suppose to be in the neighborhood. It took a lot of work but I feel safer. You should not have to live in fear. No matter your race.

  15. 45

    another vet

    Now that Obama and his minions have made this into a race issue, it may come back to bite him. Regardless if Zimmerman was right or wrong, if anything happens to him, it will be on the Black Panthers, the rest of Obama’s associates, and Obama himself. One would think that the President of the United States, if he chose to get involved in a local matter like this, would urge cooler heads to prevail and tell people not to jump to conclusions or act rash. Oh well, what does one expect from someone with no leadership skills? Since Zimmerman is Hispanic, the race issue being played up by BHO and associates in this case will be black vs. Hispanic. Alienating the Hispanic community during an election year would be almost as big of a gift to the Republicans as Obamacare and another one of his trillion dollar plus budget deficits.

  16. 46

    retire05

    @another vet:

    That’s just it, another vet, the Hispanic part is being played down by the press by calling Zimmerman a white Hispanic, a term we have never heard before. The press, along with the poverty pimps and race hustlers, are doing everything they can to make this a “white on black” crime.

    But Hispanics are not stupid. They can look at George Zimmerman and tell he is Hispanic, and sooner or later, this is going to blow up in the black race hustler’s faces. When Malik Sabazz receives a few bags containing the heads of his fellow NBP, compliments of La Familia or the Zetas, it’s not going to be as much fun as he thought it was.

    There has been serious black/Hispanic racial tensions in California for a long time now. La Shaun Barber used to write about it all the time. It was always ignored because it is minority on minority crime. No money in it for Sharpton, et al. Florida is not lacking for Hispanic gangs, and sooner or later, the more this is fired up, the two groups are going to clash.

    You see, Hispanics don’t suffer from white guilt.

  17. 47

    DiveCon

    RE: the Santorum comment, (facepalm) what ever happened to the “let’s wait for the facts to come out before commenting on things like this”

  18. 49

    drjohn

    A white student was murdered allegedly by three black assailants on Saturday in Mississippi. Race is mentioned by neither MSNBC nor Yahoo yet the media had to create a new ethnicity for Zimmerman- the “white Hispanic.”

    The student looks nothing like Obama so there’s probably no teachable moment here.

  19. 50

    another vet

    @retire05: Another case of the MSM twisting facts around to protect the chosen one. They are well aware of what would happen should the Hispanic issue be played up. And you are right, the Hispanic community is not dumb. They will hopefully come to realize that the agitator in the WH has been playing them for votes. It’s time to chill and let the facts come out. My own inclination at this point is that Zimmerman tried playing policeman and got in over his head thereby making him wrong. Looking at the links here, there are a lot of conflicting stories hence the reason for an investigation. Saying this was racially motivated at this point is pure speculation. It may have very well been. One thing for sure is, if something happens to Zimmerman, it will be racially motivated.

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