It’s quite humorous to watch the media spin the recent violence from the Oakland occupiers:
“Oakland Police Clash with Fringe Protesters.”
Fringe? I think not.
Oh the media does it’s best to spin the story that it’s only a few protesters who are prone to violence:
When a man wearing a bandana broke a window with an empty beer bottle, another protester yelled, “Who are you? That isn’t what this is about!” Another man screamed, “The police are not your enemy!” at young people wearing gas masks and the Guy Fawkes guise that has come to represent anarchists and the hackers group Anonymous.
But in the same article they quote the mouthpiece of the Oakland Occupiers, Boots Riley:
“There are large disagreements inside the movement, but that’s actually what pushes us forward,” said Boots Riley, 40, a member of the rap group the Coup, who was on the bullhorn at the front of the marchers for much of Wednesday. “What we did during the day was much bigger, much more disruptive, than what the people breaking windows did last night,” he said.
Nevermind the fact that shutting down one of the busiest ports in the United States is completely counter-productive to their movement since they employ thousands of union employees, and shutting down commerce during a recession ain’t all that smart either.
Nevermind all that.
How about the fact that the “peaceful” mouthpiece quoted by the media wrote the lyrics to “5 Million Ways To Kill a CEO”
Is that how you get those following you to be peaceful?
How about this line from another song of his:
“Death to the pigs is my basic statement.”
Not to worry, we have the Occupy Oakland media committee to help the MSM spin it all:
Read carefully, however, the media committee’s statement actually endorses the break-in and take over of an abandoned building that was the immediate prelude to the other violence. That’s a mighty fine line to draw. You can break into a building you don’t own and take it over, but you shouldn’t break windows in up-and-running businesses, deface buildings, or set fires.
No matter how you spin it the Occupiers stand for violence, break-ins, trespassing, and pretty much every other crime on the books.
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There is a FIVE HOUR long video of last night’s Oakland City Council meeting on line.
http://oakland.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=930
Let me save you some time.
Highlights:
1. Councilwoman Nancy Nadel could not muster the votes to pass her pro-OccupyOakland resolution.
2. One person read a letter from the CEO of a local employer that warned, “if he leaves, he’ll take 500 jobs” with him.
3. Oakland could use the money spent policing the Occupyers.
City Hall cut Park & Recreation funding.
Also City Hall can’t keep senior centers open full time.
Spending money on security overtime means 100 blocks in Oaktown’s most violent neighborhoods do not get the police protection they need.
4. Ex-Marine and hurt in the Occupy riot, Scott Olsen, may sue Oakland for so large a payout that the city will be forced into bankruptcy.
5. Very Liberal Progressive Democrat Mayor of Oakland, Jean Quan, is being mugged into reality.
She actually said: ”So when you laugh at us and you say you don’t care if we go bankrupt, it makes us question if you care for us.”
Heh.
Interesting article from Jeff Jacoby at Jewish World Review on “Occupiers, Tea Partiers and the Tenth Commandment”:
http://jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby110311.php3
Jacoby points out that the Tenth Commandment is the only one to prohibit an attitude rather than an action (I would quibble there and argue that the First Commandment is about the heart as well) and suggests that what separates the Tea Partiers and the Occupiers is “the culture of the Tenth Commandment”. If *I* were going to outlaw one (and only one) desire, I don’t think covetousness is what would have settled on. (Which I guess just goes to show why “there’s a God and it ain’t me”.) But, as Jacoby points out, the police reports are showing now why Thou shalt not covet is so important in a culture. Interesting article.
If coveting isn’t central to predatory capitalism, I don’t know what is.
“…predatory capitalism”????
You’re one sick puppy, Greg.
You don’t make any distinction between capitalism and predatory capitalism?
I think having lost that distinction is one of the main reasons for our current problems.
Is not that question better directed at yourself, the one who clearly detests successful entrepreneurial endeavors if it falls into your “makes too much money” category, Greg?
But since you asked… let me ‘splain. One offers a product or service at a profit margin. People either like that product or service, at the price offered.. or they don’t.
When they do, the evil capitalist is successful. They they don’t, they fail…. unless, of course, the US taxpayer bails them out via a nanny Congress.
Your enemy is not entrepreneurs and capitalism. It is Congress and their efforts to control in the interest of “fairness” and “economic justice”…. not to mention government’s favoritism of one industry over another for their own PC (im)moral notions.
When you feed a troll, it grows in self importance. Ignore a troll, remember being a prog liberal is a mental disorder that common sense cannot cure.
On a completely unrelated and non-political topic, the real revolution may have begun last Friday, in Italy. Look up the most recent news articles you can find concerning Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi.
I miss FA’s old open topic threads.
NEVER – NEVER – NEVER FORGET, we have these clowns outnumbered 30-1, behind all their noise their global numbers could fill a few sections of Giant Stadium when we can fill – to the max – stadia. Their strategy believes Suppression = Revolution when their true bottom line is Sex-Drugs-Rock-n-Roll which burns out and tires out. Still stoned Jerry Brown needs to call the California National Guard as Governor Cromo needs to call out the NY National Guard to evacuate Zucotte. RISK IT, if another Kent State happens tooooooooooooo bad – toughshit, they want blood then let them bleed.
Freedom to protest is our right, but does that make it right to disrupt commerce, to have other American who are trying to pay their bills to lose their jobs as well, to make a mess of a public sector, etc…. Yet we still don’t hear about the real victims in all this, those who want to work but can’t because of these selfish protesters. I have seen a few stories on Fox but nothing much on the other channels. It’s all about the poor protesters. Man if only we had some politicians with some courage.
@THE SOOTHSAYER, #9:
That being the case, I’m surprised you’re bothering with all of the voter suppression legislation.
Soothsayer, I believe it’s more accurate to say 99 to 1… LOL
Greg… stop babbling. What “voter supression legislation” are you referring to? Or is this just another sidle off topic?
Yes, with your general toad hopping from issue to issue to avoid responses, I miss the open threads as well.
Just to add another observation on the subject topic of “not just fringe”, that is confirmed by an “occupier” herself via an Examiner article, by way of the live blog.
From the same article, and to tag team my post about Oakland businesses, pulling up stakes…
@Greg:
wrong clownshit i know them very well so I recommend that you move out of granny’s basement and find another form of amusement. Time comes when adults put the joint down thinking maybe – maybe – maybe getting off drugs is a good ides. Reading your penthora of lines convinces me that between the tick and the tock something is seriously amiss with your clock.
@MataHarley, #12:
Should I presume that you’re joking, or conclude that we exist in parallel but somewhat different dimensions?
Refer to Voting Law Changes in 2012, from the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. The links listed on the page should be self explanatory.
From the related Executive Summary:
Greg, have you ever once bothered to read legislation? Or do you let others summarize vague and undefined legislation so you can just come up with some cut and paste commentary?
The “wave” of legislation varies, and since I not only have legislation watch links I set up, I actually watch legislation via GovTrack. Try the direct sources sometime… you will find it revolutionary in concept. So do you have a particular state bill in mind? Or just going with what Brennan says for you?
Interesting that the Constitution leaves voting guidelines up to the States, and is supposed to be restricted to citizens… but I guess you have a problem with what a state wants to do, right. So which state? And just how does that affect you? Do a bit of homework, instead of hyperbole for a change.
This has grown exactly as the MEDIA and OTHERS …”said it would”, and, it was said over and over again with much glee, delight and ‘support’. Idiots! They are waaayyyy too involved to start the proverbial “Spin” now… To anyone paying attention….there is no Spin that can help them get out of what they wanted to happen all along…
….the MSM has been just drooling for this….no matter WHO is HURT in the Process –> [innocent working people, businesses, police].
This has become a OWS conglomeration, of many groups, which are interweaved with the same mindset — > “hate of capitalism” as in Socialist – Communist – Anarchist ….ALL these people (useful idiots), including the President, Pelosi, Reid, Mayors and Governors who lend support and encourage this behavior and Lawlessness… ALL OWN IT…
All those elitist politicians who lent support to these losers should be ashamed of themselves, they are fools… they are committing Political suicide…
Any [Liberal/Democrat] with even a brain cell of reasoning, should be totally embarrassed about “their Party” and every Conservative/Republican/Independent/Libertarian should call them out on this BS every chance they get….
The First Amendment has no place in this anymore…This OWS has sunk to a whole new level and it left the 1st Amendment behind a long time ago….
The underlying motive and collective effect of all of this legislation is what is relevant.
Whatever explanations or rationalization apologists put forward for any given example of it, the single intention is to prevent millions of likely democratic voters from participating in the upcoming elections.
They don’t like the results that democratic elections have been producing, so they are taking action against democracy.
What “underlying motive and collective effect” would that be, Greg? That many states want to implement proof of citizenship for voting, according to basic Constitutional criteria?
Strikes me that the states are well within their rights, as long it it does not infringe upon citizens based on anything other than citizenship. If it’s not, the DOJ will challenge it in court, and the games begin.
So what’s your problem with only citizens voting, Greg? Remove a ton of your constituent voting blocks by taking away illegal votes? How about the dead and felons voting, Greg? Does that pass muster for you?
I fail to see how a majority of the new registration and voting restrictions detailed in the Brennan Center for Justice document have anything whatsoever to do with making certain that only U.S. citizens cast a vote.
There’s some legitimate reason for drastically shortening the window for early voting in states where the waiting time to vote on Election Day 2008 stretched out to over 8 hours? If you’re going to turn people away when they attempt to vote because their previously acceptable ID is suddenly unacceptable, don’t you think a longer early voting window would give them more time to acquire what they need? Wouldn’t a longer early voting period give officials more time to investigate any suspected irregularities?
Why should a current student photo ID issued by a state university no longer be acceptable proof to the state of who you are? Why should you have to travel from your school to some possibly distant home of residence to vote? Why is Florida excluding Sunday voting, when they know that’s when many older black citizens have organized transportation after church services to their polling places? Has that got something to do with citizenship issues?
Boiling the rationale for this multi-state republican voter suppression endeavor down to a citizenship issue may play well inside the hot-button-dotted conservative brain, but most reasonable people who give the matter a little thought will recognize the argument as total b.s.
Not surprising that you “fail” to see any and everything, Greg.
You want to take 19 pieces of individual state legislation about voting criteria, and bring it all down to a pat little capsule that you decide to label as voter oppression. What it really comes down to is you don’t like Article I, Section 4, and the 10th Amendment – both of which designate voting criteria to the states. Unless you live in any or all of these states, what business is it of yours anyway? If you don’t like the one in your state, then fight against it. Stop bothering us with this blanket BS you concoct.
So are you done hyperventilating about OT rants now?
THE SOOTHSAYER
I love that kind of a WISDOM poetry, you alone can deliver.
thank you
FAITH
HI,
THEY CANNOT CONTROL THE UNIONS ANYMORE,
did you see that GERARD, a union boss saying we should do even more than that, in a tone of a mad man,
bye
@Bees – You are so right bees. He blames the Republicans and EVERY ONE on Wall Street for the Jobs problem in the US, and gives a pass the Democrats who had complete control of both the House and the Senate. Never mind many Unions are in the Pocket of the Democrats in this country…
“GERARD:You’re damn right Wall Street occupiers speak for us. They do in Pittsburgh, they do in Chicago, they do in Oakland, they do in San Francisco, they do all across the country. And I think what we need is, we need more militancy.”
Bees the ‘irony’ of this whole debacle is ….aren’t these the same people (Democrats/Leftys) who tell the world the US “occupies” countries…. to steal oil? (of which we get none).
Yet, these are the same people who want to now “occupy” Bridges, Banks, Wall Street and towns so they can “steal” our Money via our Taxes? Aren’t these the same people who walk around with “Peace Signs” and call an end to “Wars” Yet they want riots, violence, destruction right here at home??
Does any [Democrat/lefty/Progressive] with a functioning brain cell see this? Oh, wait, I forgot at home (the US) and when it is THEIR AGENDA the ends justify the means….the hypocrisy is stunning…isn’t it? enjoy the day Bees…
Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2011/11/02/union-chief-leo-gerard-resistance-movement-needed-seize-bridges-banks-#ixzz1cqc3NA88
FAITH,
hi, thank’s for the link, that was very interesting and clear,
I enjoyed the comments below, and it made me happy to see that , the AMERICA’S LOVERS BEFORE ALL,
are on their post, watching every move happening in AMERICA,
those solid and fierce GUARDIANS of this beautiful COUNTRY ,
are aware and on standby, we can depend on them to participate in the removal of the haters of
THIS NATION, they are the best and bravest this NATION HAS PUT ON THIS EARTH FOR THIS GOD LOVING AMERICA TO REMAIN FREE, AND SANE, AMONG THE INSANITY WE ARE BEING FORCED IN.
Got a question, for any and ALL of you guys…. has anyone ELSE noticed, On the FOX NEWS WEBSITE…the Login and Comments, on their stories, no longer exist??? Vanished about 48 hours ago…. tried using another browser, different computer just in case.. NADA!! did Fox “pull the plug” on public Comments????
Thanks….
Hankster, I never log in or comment at Fox News, but here’s their Contact Us page.
There’s one that says:
If You Have a Problem, We Want to Help!
Here’s another that gives you a phone number
I can’t see Fox pulling the plug on reader feedback, so perhaps they are experiences problems. Then there’s the possibly of active anti-FOX hackers, being as they are especially PO’ed about Fox’s coverage of the “occupiers”. It could be they interruped something temporarily. I know that I was trying to get to Herman Cain’s “analysis” company, Fiscal Policy Associates. There’s a couple of them out there… one in MI and another in the beltway area. You can get to their about page, but it seems their home page has been hacked… and has been for days. Mindyou, I’m not entirely sure this the correct Cain Fiscal Policy Associates (sub biz of Fiscal Associates), but maybe the hackers wouldn’t care. Dunno… Just think there’s a lot of cyber trickery going on… as usual.
On THIS topic…. OWS has a half MILLION in “contributions” in the bank, right?? So, let Oakland, and every other city.. BILL THEM!! After all, they ARE a recognized ORGANIZATION now… so, TREAT them like one! FORCE them to BE RESPONSIBLE.. Fiscally BREAK them, then SUE them back to the stone age… where they CAME from!! LOL!!
@ GREG.. you like nothing about the US system.. so.. VOTE with YOUR FEET!! Move your Socialist ass to Venezuela, North Korea, or any of a dozen “Socialist paradises”, and live happily ever after. WHAT is stopping you?? THOSE places, use the EXACT SYSTEM you drool over. so GO already!! STOP, trying to FORCE the US, to become What YOU want, and IT ISN’T!!
@Hankster58, #28:
I’ve always loved my country. That’s why I’ll resist seeing it bought lock stock and barrel by a morally deficient class of insatiable, obsessive-compulsive acquisitors. You can’t let such people have all they want or get their way as much of the time as they want, because nothing short of everything and all the time are enough.
Do you want the nation to have a system that optimizes opportunities for the vast majority of its people, or a system that maximizes opportunities for people like the Koch brothers?
When I started out in the world over 60 years ago, we had the former. Since then we’ve been moving toward the latter, and we seem to be on the verge of taking the final steps that will change the nation forever. A lot of people seem to be convinced that these final steps represent some sort of return to original principles and intentions.
I’m here to tell you that this is pure, unadulterated bullshit. The founding fathers had no intention whatsoever of setting up a plutocracy. They would be horrified to see what’s happening.
I don’t intend to see the far right impose their views and values on me. If you must have wealthy ruling masters, I invite you to go somewhere where such an arrangement is more appreciated. It’s the norm in many places.
Well that’s interesting, Greg. Because I feel the exact same way about you and your views.
As far as the rest of your comment? Not unexpected from you. It doesn’t matter that we’ve continually shown you that the wealth concentrations has varied little since the 1920s. And I’d say that having Obama in the WH pretty much nullifies your not so astute observation that the nation does *not* optimize opportunity for the vast majority of its people. The only thing holding anyone back is themselves…. and your party in Congress.
GREG
you’re satisfied with what you live in now, what a shame, you have visors on each side of your brain, and they prevent you from widening you’re view, so you go on living narrowly unconcerned of what the reality,
the warning from the one that see the wider picture are all over the spectrum of news,
remind me of NOAH IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, and GOD KNOWS THAT NOAH PLEAD FOR THE NON BELIEVERS TO BE SAVED,
hey, no one was elected to change AMERICA forever, and those who want to use their power to do it,
are TRAITOR
I’m listening now to THE BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLIC
GLORY GLORY HALLELUYA GLORY GLORY HALLELUYA, HIS TROOPS ARE MARCHING ON.
FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE,
AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVES
from the mountain, to the prairies to the ocean, to the…
GOD BLESS AMERICA, MY HOME SWEET HOME
AMERICA AMERICA , FOR SPACIOUS SKY, FOR AMBER WAVE OF GRAIN,
for purple mountains majesty, GOD SHED THIS GRACE ON THEE,
FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA,
AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL.
Greg.. I can actually BUY SOME of what you said above!! But the rest, is till class Envy Hogwash… WHY, do you hate the “Koch Brothers”?? Because YOU have researched them?? Or, because the LIBERAL MEDIA says to?? If you dislike the Koch’s.. you must HATE SOROS right???
The Koch’s MADE their fortune… Legally and Morally.. and hired THOUSANDS of employees to do so.
Compare THIER story, to YOUR sides backer.. George SOROS…… then comment.
Now, you complain of being “bought up lock stock”etc etc…. only ONE WAY that could happen… LEGALLY! Now, who WROTE the laws, that allowed these things to Happen????
DEMOCRATS, have held Congress Majority’s FAR MORE than Republicans.. right?? Logic THEN dictates….
The PROBLEM, is the RE_ELECTION of the LIBERAL DINOSAURS…. Byrd, Lautenberg. KENNEDY, Schumer etc etc… AND, some on the right as well, but, primarily… Libs.. sorry. If YOU were Correct, the LIBS would have always “FIXED” these ills, when THEY held majority status!!
THEY NEVER HAVE Greg… EXPLAIN THIS!!
Do I like some of this stuff going on?? HELL NO!! Now, am i STUPID ENOUGH, to think protesting on WALL STREET will fix things?? HELL NO once again!!
Because, I’m SMART enough, to know, it’s CONGRESS, who set it all up… Now.. look at who has HELD the CONGRESSIONAL MAJORITY the most.. which party had MORE GUYS in LONGER than the other (the POWER BROKERS) .. then come back and say, with a STRAIGHT FACE…. “it’s OUR (Conservatives) fault” GET REAL!!
Want CHANGE?? Vote out ALL INCUMBENTS with over 2 years on the job…… other wise… forget it!! Goes ESPECIALLY for the POTUS!!
Have a Patriotic day!!
GREG said…
“That being the case, I’m surprised you’re bothering with all of the voter suppression legislation.”
WHAT in the heck, are you talking about HERE?????
YOU posted THIS LINK….
“”Refer to Voting Law Changes in 2012, from the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. The links listed on the page should be self explanatory.””
I did go there… so, not letting CRIMINALS vote, is “Voter Suppression”??
Not making SURE, each vote, is HONEST via photo ID.. is “Voter Suppression”??
HOW, are these items HARDSHIPS on the poor?? Don’t seem to have any trouble making it to SOCIAL SERVICES do they??? Public aid offices?? Unemployment Offices?? ALL of which, require ID to sign up for!! HELLO????
And….they sure seem to be able, to make it to all the LIBERAL GIMME GIMME PROTESTS ok don’t they?? I call BS to this one………
Guy.. I don’t get you… You MUST be from the club who WANTS to VOTE THEMSELVES the goodies, but NOT cover the COSTS!!
Democrats.. are SOFT on CRIME….
Democrats.. STEAL taxpayer funds, to BUY VOTES… Via Social handouts…. why do you see near EXCLUSIVE DEMOCRAT control of ALL GHETTO areas in America??? Votes.. for Goodies…. and, along with it… FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY….
wake up Greg.. we’re BROKE!! The old Line Liberal gravy train… has NO MORE STEAM in the boiler!!! the FUEL (MONEY) is running OUT!!
There’s some legitimate reason for drastically shortening the window for early voting in states where the waiting time to vote on Election Day 2008 stretched out to over 8 hours?
Gee Greg, if there are TOO MANY VOTERS in a district, then the district is TOO BIG!! More polling places perhaps??
You know what I find FUNNY… is the system we have in place, has worked for CENTURIES basically… over TWO HUNDRED YEARS…….. but NOW, LIBERALS have all sorts of issues with it!! They can’t make it work, can’t figure it out etc etc.. BS!!
What it IS, Greg… is that, the THOUGHT, of trying to STOP FRAUD in elections, has you up in arms……
How about this… would YOU support… Making the OFFENSE of INTENTIONAL VOTER FRAUD, Equal to that, of TREASON against the Country???? And PUNISHED in the same way???
YES, or NO???
Hey Hankster.. maybe you can get Greg to tell us where elections are held on Sundays.. you know, where all those “older black citizens have organized transportation after church services to their polling places?”
Oh yes, and only the “black” older citizens…. geez, Greg. Predictably low and racist, don’t you think? Yah…all those evil states, attempting to stop old black folks from voting. LOL You’ve got one sick mind, dude.
Here’s the point, Greg… the states set up their own voting regulations. If you’re so all fired worried about whether you, and those “older black citizens” can make it to a polling place in a timely fashion, maybe you should be lobbying for more polling locations instead. Simple cure… perhaps too simple for the lib/prog mindset to comprehend.
First of all, again I will remind you of your utter disrespect and disdain for the 10th Amendment. What business is it of yours except in the state where you reside? This is a Republic, Greg… not your coveted democracy.
A student ID proves what INRE citizenship? Unlike most state DMV (generally unenforced) rules that you show your birth certificate the first times you get a license, that requirement is not part of a student ID. They are generally generated by enrollment records. And, of course, not all students are US citizens. Not to mention the ease of forgeries.
You fail to acknowledge that these states give multiple types of acceptable IDs… i.e. driver’s license, valid photo ID, a passport, an employee photo ID, or a military photo ID. Get over it… I’m tired of voter fraud by felons, illegals and dead people. I have to show IDs for virtually everything these days. I most certainly do not mind for the privilege of voting. And neither should you.
Rather hypocritical to say that greg as you are trying awfully hard to force your radical left “views and values” on everyone else. As I have said before, saying liberal hypocrite is redundant.
@MataHarley, #40:
Early voting days have included Sundays–and the Sunday immediately preceding Election Day–in Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina. Ohio has recently eliminated all Sundays from their shortened early voting schedule; Florida has shortened their schedule and specifically eliminated the Sunday immediately preceding Election Day Tuesday; North Carolina has pending legislation that will do the same as Ohio has done.
In all three states very long Election Day waiting times–as in many hours–have been reported in recent elections. Do you think complaints haven’t been made, and that remedies haven’t been lobbied for? The recent early voting schedule changes–which will only aggravate the problem–have come in that context.
Greg, I can’t speak for Ohio or NC, and perhaps someone else here can. But I can speak for Florida. My parents have never had a problem voting, and in fact opt for the “absentee voting”, even tho they’ve never left, as many of the seniors do. As for the rest of my family, they don’t whine like a baby (ahem….)… nor have had a problem voting, despite holding down jobs.
Considering that you don’t live in any one of these three states, just what authority or credibility do you think you project?
BTW, Greg… what makes you think that any early voting or extension period is only affecting Democrats? Strikes me as the schedule to vote, and the time allotted based on voting precinct areas available, is a bi-partisan, racially blind mandate.
So are you now telling us that those who are too stupid to vote on time are only Dems? LOL
@ Greg.. all these EXTRAS voting days cost big $$$$$$… we don’t HAVE that anymore…. I never have seen, all the “terrible hardships” the LEFT (and it seems, ONLY them) keep coming up with, and WHINING ABOUT….. you WHINE about the “poor”… well, since they do NOTHING all day long, why do they have SUCH ISSUES with getting to a polling place, in the 12 hours they are open?????
In St. Louis… one can EASILY WALK to his local polling place from home.. out HERE…. I have to drive 5 miles to mine… no big deal….. again, why is it, only LIBERALS, have it so hard?????