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  1. B. Johnson says: 1

    Personally, I’d like to see incarnate devils like Reid and Pelosi pass constitutionally unauthorized Obamacare so that they blow themselves off the political map.

    That said, here’s why Obama, Reid and Pelosi are in contempt of the Constitution that they have hypocritically sworn to defend. They are unthinkingly basing their so-called constitutional authority to make healthcare legislation on perversions of the Commerce Clause by pro-big federal government justices in the 1930s and 40s.

    Eight of these justices were nominated nominated by FDR, an enemy of the Constitution, and caved in to perverting the Commerse Clause to give the green light to illegal spending legislation inspired by FDR. The justices did so by scandalously ignoring state sovereignty statutes like Article V and the 10th Amendment when deciding cases which tested the limits of Congress’s powers. But here’s what’s really going on.

    Given that the federal Constitution is silent about public healthcare, the 10th Amendment automatically reserves government power to regulate healthcare to the states, not the Oval Office and Congress.

    In fact, the USSC has already decided that Congress has no business sticking its big nose in the medical practice.

    “Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously beyond the power of Congress.” –Linder v. United States, 1925. http://supreme.justia.com/us/268/5/case.html

    So presuming that they really know that they don’t have the constitutional authority to make healthcare legislation, Obama, Reid and Pelosi are criminally ignoring the following.

    Article V requires Reid and Pelosi to rally Congress to propose a healthcare amendment to the states for ratification. And should the states choose to ratify such an amendment, then Congress would have the power to make Obamacare legislation.

    On the other hand, the states can always choose not to ratify such an amendment, in which case Congress remains without constitutional authority to regulate healthcare.

    In the meanwhile, Obama, Reid and Pelosi are treasonously basing Obamacare legislation on constitutionally nonexistent federal government powers. So they might just as well make legislation to build a federal prison for corrupt presidents and congressmen and move into it.

    The bottom line is that Constitution-defending patriots have a big mess to clean up in DC in this year’s midterm elections.

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  2. For those looking for more thorough exposition on the unconstitutional move to pretend the Senate bill was already passed as House Dems move to amend it, a former federal judge and Constitutional scholar offers this:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704416904575121532877077328.html

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  3. Patvann says: 4

    Hey guys (and wonderful gals) check out this:

    http://www.redstate.com/bs/2010/03/14/breaking-democrats-release-2300-page-reconciliation-bill-with-a-public-option/

    So is this bill now close to 6000 pages in total?

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  4. MataHarley says: 5

    Thanks to Cary and Patvann for being johnny on the spot. Haven’t been able to put 2309 pages under my belt in this short of a time, but a fast scan shows no tort reform. uh huh

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  5. @MataHarley:
    @Mike’s America:

    Mornin’ Ya’ll,

    Take a gander at this section (page 1167):

    Subtitle B—Public Health Insurance Option

    SEC. 221. ESTABLISHMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF A PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION AS AN EXCHANGE-QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.

    (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—For years beginning with Y1, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the ‘‘Secretary’’) shall provide for the offering of an Exchange-participating health benefits plan (in this subdivision referred to as the ‘‘public health insurance option’’) that ensures choice, competition, and stability of affordable, high quality coverage throughout the United States in accordance with this subtitle. In designing the option, the Secretary’s primary responsibility is to create a low-cost plan without compromising quality or access to care.

    Smells like public option to me.

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  6. Philly_nj says: 7

    This ‘health care for all bill isn’t about us or helping Americans get cheaper better care….. its about the legacy of first black president Barack Obama and first female speaker of the house NancyPelosi. They want this bill passed so they can claim and history will write ‘Obama and Pelosi gave Americans national health care’. Neither Obama nor Pelosi give a rats rear that America will go bankrupt, Democrats get booted out of office or that Republicans will promise to roll back the bill, if/when the bill gets rolled back Obama and Pelosi can still claim they gave every American health care and Republicans took it away.

    The bottom line IMO is Obama and Pelosi need a big win to claim their place in history and they don’t care what it costs or who gets destroyed in the process.
    .

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  7. johngalt says: 8

    Hmm

    So BRob is wrong on several, nay, most of his “argument” on this congress and healthcare.

    1. It is un-Constitutional
    2. It will have a public option. Not just a GOP scare tactic.
    3. It will include government takeover of student loans, per the Hag Queen herself. Again, not just
    a GOP scare tactic.
    4. It won’t include any GOP ideas.
    5. It won’t include a Stupak amendment. Again, not just a GOP scare tactic.
    6. It will include much more money to be spent than what BRob was touting the other day when he
    gleefully talked about it “reducing” the deficit. I understand that a reconciliation bill is
    supposed to be deficit neutral or deficit reduction, but from what bill?

    I’m sure there was much more that was wrong in the tripe that BRob spread here on FA, but I’m not going to waste my time going through every one of his posts in every healthcare related topic, since I’d like to keep from feeling ill today, if I can. Sorry.

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  8. Gil says: 10

    This is ridiculous.

    The dems do not have the votes and there will be no vote this coming weekend.

    The only way these people will pass health care is by initimidating you into rolling over.

    This bill is 100% dead, dead, dead.

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  9. Patvann says: 11

    Sorry to say this Gil, but you are in the mindset of a Patriot who still believes that the Dems still have a shred of decency and still consider themselves beholden to the spirit and letter of the Constitution…

    They don’t. They consider themselves above that “old-slave-holding-unenlightened-white-male” developed parchment. As Obama has stated…”It’s a flawed document”.

    They will keep trying until they are out of office, and even after that, Obama will attempt to impose it by executive order. It is the key to everything they hold dear…Control of us for our own good.

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  10. @Aye Chihuahua: Thanks for digging out that info on the reborn public option. They fully intend to offer that and then force the other insurance companies out of business. The government doesn’t care how much money it loses (since it never loses it’s own money).

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  11. Missy says: 13

    @Patvann:

    Was just perusing through a post at QanO, they were giving the yes, nos, maybes and who might lean either way for the vote, it was done a couple of days ago prior to Obama putting vote-buying back on the table so my thinking was, well so much for that.

    Now the information you just posted as well as another WSJ article…..polling done on behalf of an independent women’s group, this polling was only done in swing districts.

    Makes me wonder, inspite of the billions worth of Obama/Reid/Pelosi goodies back on the table, congress critters in these polled districts would definately have a hard time explaining why they sold their vote for a lie.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704416904575121541779736742.html

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  12. Patvann says: 14

    They don’t care if they are voted out. Notice how many open jobs there still is in this admin. They will quetly be given better paying positions with no oversight and no need for bothersome things like congressional approval for their positions.

    This Bill calls for over 100 new departments in the federal governement, which means that even MORE positions will be opened up.

    They have taken their lessons from radical leftists and radical Islam….The long view, coupled with patience, and a willingness to die for the “cause”.

    They also know that once the heroin goes in the arm, the addiction is instant.

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  13. @Missy: Thanks for that link. The full poll results are here:

    http://iwvoice.org/iwv-poll-of-35-key-swing-districts/

    The common factor in these swing districts is an overwhelming opposition to passing the Senate Bill and they don’t think reconciliation can fix it. And those polled DO intend to vote against any member who votes for this mess.

    The districts surveyed are:

    Representatives who previously voted “Nay”
    Ross, Mike AR-04
    Markey, Betsy CO-04
    Chandler, Ben KY-06
    McIntyre, Mike NC-07
    Shuler, Heath NC-11
    Adler, John NJ-3
    Teague, Harry NM-2
    Murphy, Scott NY-20
    Boccieri, John OH-16
    Altmire, Jason PA-04
    Gordon, Bart TN-06
    Edwards, Chet TX-17
    Nye, Glenn VA-02
    Boucher, Rick VA-09
    Baird, Brian WA-03

    Representatives who previously voted “Yea”

    Berry, Marion AR-01
    Driehaus, Steve OH-01
    Foster, Bill IL-14
    Kilroy, Mary Jo OH-15
    Space, Zack OH-18
    Arcuri, Mike NY-24
    Titus, Dina NV-03
    Kagen, Steve WI-08
    Carney, Christopher PA-10
    Giffords, Gabrielle AZ-08
    Perriello, Tom VA-05
    Ellsworth, Brad IN-08
    Hill, Baron IN-09
    Wilson, Charles OH-06
    Dahlkemper, Kathy PA-03
    Pomeroy, Earl ND-At Large
    Schauer, Mark MI-07
    Cardoza, Dennis CA-18
    Murphy, Patrick PA-08
    Salazar, John CO-03

    Again, I would suggest to anyone who lives in a congressional district where their Representative is on the fence that they should call their Rep NOW and tell them to vote NO!

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  14. Art says: 16

    Mike, have you seen this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc

    [courtesy embed by Mike:]

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  15. Davey says: 17

    PatVann— Do you think if this thing gets any longer could they get Leo Tolstoy to ghost it? It might make for a better read.

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  16. Art says: 18

    Maybe y’all have seen this. I just did now over at NQUSA. You can’t make up manure like this. It is vintage Pelosi:

    We’ve got to pass the bill before you can find out what’s in it!

    NO, YOU CAN’T MAKE UP S LIKE THIS!!! SEE FOR YOURSELF.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To&feature=player_embedded

    [courtesy embed by Mike}

    Please, God, make this woman evaporate into pure Osub3, ozone, to compensate for the toxicity she has created over the years. PLEASE.
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  17. johngalt says: 19

    Art

    I’d heard she made a comment like that, but it’s much different actually hearing it straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak. I wonder whatever happened to that “most ethical congress ever” and Obama’s “transparency”? Just more lies I guess.

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  18. @Art: Thanks for the video updates. I had not seen the one with Mike Rogers (R-MI) and an thankful to learn that there are a number of new and rising young stars in the GOP like him.

    As for Pelosi: She’s dumber than a bag of rocks.

    That I knew already.

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  19. LeBron Steinman says: 21

    Jack and William:
    Spam-tastic comments!!

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  20. Art says: 22

    @johngalt & mike, She is base, unscrupulous, so myopic in her view of America and so dangerous with the power she holds.

    I did a dumb thing once by sending her an email which had my name and home town on it, unwittingly. I used extremely foul language in calling her a liar. This was in the winter of 07, concerning her repeated blather about her plan to get out of Iraq. She started the blather in 06 and maintained it. It was more than I could take. She NEVER laid out a plan for Iraq. It was all a lie, and I called her on it in my email, the F(participle) B. After that, I received over 400 hang up phone calls for over a year. I know they came from one of her lefty goons. She’s right down there with Hitler and Stalin.

    After all those hang up phone calls, I have a perfect right to wish her and her entire family the worst God can do to those on Earth.

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  21. BRob says: 23

    johngalt –

    On the health care bill, I am still waiting on you to make a rational argument based in the Constitution and the relevant case law establishing that “it” is unconstititional.

    You know why I use the word “it” in quotation marks? Let’s say the bill has ten parts to it. If one part is found unconstitutional, that does not kill the entire thing. it MAY kill that one part, provided that the reviewing court determines that it is unconstitutional at root (meaning it gets wacked) as opposed to unconstitutional as applied (meaning it won’t apply in situation X). You just saying “it’s unconstitutional” based on your curious personal made-up-in-your-basement constitutional law jurisprudence does not make it so.

    B. Johnson –

    You committed the cardinal sin of reading cases — you grabbed on a throw away line (obiter dicta, its called) and missed what the case was REALLY about. The 1925 case was NOT ABOUT whether the government can regulate the medical practice; it was about whether Congress could criminalize the distribution of narcotics by a physician using a tax revenue statute. The courts said the statute was “inapplicable to a case where a physician, acting bona fide and according to fair medical standards, gives an addict moderate amounts of the drugs for self-administration in order to relieve conditions incident to addiction.”

    But here’s a hint to all you cons out there — any question in your minds that Congress could criminalize the distribution of cocaine to a known addict? Because that is what the Linder case was about. My my how the law has changed in 85 years!

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  22. BRob says: 24

    Oh, how interesting . . . seems the supposed “Slaughter Rule”, where the House would have one majority rules up or down vote on reconciliation AND the Senate bill at the same time, instead of two separate votes, was used oo-gobs of times by the GOPers when their corrupt whithered little hands held the reigns.

    Oh, the horror . . . the unfairness . . . of the Dems using the exact same tactic that has been used time and time before by the other side! It just ain’t right to cram down someone’s throat what they jammed down yours many times before! LOL!

    “Still More on Bending the Rules”

    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/13/self-executing-rule/#ixzz0iH9R6Cx8

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  23. BRob says: 25

    Interesting . . .

    “Pro-Life Dems Start Breaking In Pelosi’s Direction”

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/playing-chicken-pro-life-dems-face-make-or-break-moment-on-health-care.php?ref=fpa

    Let’s ponder this . . . if Nancy Pelosi is so dumb, then why does she keep outsmarting the GOPers? LOL!

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  24. MataHarley says: 26

    2nd rate paralegal billy bob sez: On the health care bill, I am still waiting on you to make a rational argument based in the Constitution and the relevant case law establishing that “it” is unconstititional.

    johngalt has no need to provide you with a burden of proof, billy bob. I suspect that will be happening in the courts if the House Dems take the leap of faith I suspect they will not.

    INRE your comment suggesting a “slaughterhourse rule” being used by the GOP. In no instance was it used on unreconciled and passed legislative bills, but for specific chamber rules and chamber procedure when presenting amendments. You lie, you mislead, and you continually show yourself to be a victim of Ayer’esqe social justice.

    Ya know, I’ll bet your party has some recourse on the books somwhere for you for that deficiency…. You’ll just have to find someone with a half adept legal mind to find it for you.

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  25. Missy says: 27

    @BRob:

    Two? Only two?

    Stupak told the conservative magazine National Review last week. “At this point, there is no doubt that they’ve been able to peel off one or two of my twelve.”

    In the meantime, Kucinich and Marcia Fudge get a ride to Ohio on Air Force One today, Denny remained in the no column and Marcia switched from undecided to no. Alas, the magic is gone or perhaps they decided if this clown can’t draw more than 200 for an event, while the Tea Parties are dragging in 2,000 and 4,000 respectively this week, fagetaboutit!

    Oh dear, there goes Jason Altmire, Brian Baird, Bart Gordon and John Boccieri, yep, they jumped from undecided to…. no….. today too. None, including Marcia Fudge were on the 37 members in the:

    Firm No, Leaning No, Likely No

    So now we jump that magic 37 up to 42 with this whip count The Hill is doing.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/85693-whip-watch-the-hills-survey-of-house-dems-positions-on-healthcare-

    Hmmm, now what have we here:

    Dreier: Democrats ‘About 10 Votes Off’ from Passage in House

    In a press conference on Capitol Hill today, Rep. David Dreier (R., Calif.), ranking Republican on the House Rules Committee, said the word around the House is that Democrats are still about 10 votes away from securing the 216 they will need to pass changes to the health-care bill. Dreier added that that number might be moving in the wrong direction for Democrats.

    “You are hearing that people are peeling off,” he said.

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODhlMjg0MTM3MWMwZDg5MTdmZWFiNjQ5NzM3YjlhYTg=

    Gee whiz, kind of looks that way.

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  26. Speaking of pro-life groups Missy, how about this from the weekend:

    As long-time advocates of health care reform, the U.S. Catholic bishops continue to make the moral case that genuine health care reform must protect the life, dignity, consciences and health of all, especially the poor and vulnerable. Health care reform should provide access to affordable and quality health care for all, and not advance a pro-abortion agenda in our country. Genuine health care reform is being blocked by those who insist on reversing widely supported policies against federal funding of abortion and plans which include abortion, not by those working simply to preserve these longstanding protections.

    * On November 7, the U.S. House of Representatives passed major health care reform that reaffirms the essential, longstanding and widely supported policy against using federal funds for elective abortions and includes positive measures on affordability and immigrants.
    * On December 24, the U.S. Senate rejected this policy and passed health care reform that requires federal funds to help subsidize and promote health plans that cover elective abortions. All purchasers of such plans will be required to pay for other people’s abortions through a separate payment solely to pay for abortion. And the affordability credits for very low income families purchasing private plans in a Health Insurance Exchange are inadequate and would leave families financially vulnerable.
    * Outside the abortion context, neither bill has adequate conscience protection for health care providers, plans or employers.
    * Congressional leaders are now trying to figure out how the rules of the House and Senate could allow the final passage of a modified bill that would satisfy disagreements between House and Senate versions.

    ACTION: Contact your Representative and Senators today by e-mail, phone or FAX.

    * To send a pre-written, instant e-mail to Congress go to http://www.usccb.org/action.
    * Call the U.S. Capitol switchboard at: 202-224-3121, or call your Members’ local offices. Contact info can be found on Members’ web sites at http://www.house.gov & http://www.senate.gov.

    MESSAGE – HOUSE:

    “I am pleased that the House health care bill maintains the longstanding policy against federal funding of abortion. On the other hand, the provisions on abortion funding in the current un-amended Senate health care bill are seriously deficient and unacceptable. I urge you to work to uphold essential provisions against abortion funding, to include full conscience protection and to ensure that health care is accessible and affordable for all. I urge you to oppose any bill unless and until these criteria are met.”

    MESSAGE – SENATE:

    “I am deeply disappointed that the current un-amended Senate health care bill fails to maintain the longstanding policy against federal funding of abortion and does not include adequate protection for conscience. I urge you to support essential provisions against abortion funding, similar to those in the House bill. Include full conscience protection and ensure that health care is accessible and affordable for all. I urge you to oppose any bill unless and until these criteria are met.”

    WHEN: Votes in the House and Senate are expected at any time. Act today!

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  27. @Missy: Thanks for that update Missy. I doubt any of that sinks in with BLOB, but then reality doesn’t often dawn on his dark corner of the planet.

    I’ve always thought that the Dems would come down to needing five votes to get their way. Considering the power Obama and Pelosi have to threaten or reward House members they should be able to get those five votes.

    Unless of course they have expended all their political capital just to get the previous ten.

    This thing keeps shifting day by day and it’s anyone’s guess what the outcome will be.

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  28. Missy says: 30

    @Aye Chihuahua:

    I saw that this morning but couldn’t remember where you had it. Also read about the Bishops warning about groups appearing to speak for the church. You did an outstanding post the other day about Stupak, heartbreaking.

    @Mike’s America:

    Don’t mean to alarm, but my birthday is the 18th and I’ve had a history of bad things happening on my day, all the talk of voting on the 18th made me dreadfully queezy, so I’ve been seeking out whip counts hoping to will it away. Other than that, still repairing cat damage on my porch, ugh! Missing my time with my FA friends.

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  29. Patvann says: 31

    You guys MUST read this article in it’s entirety. 5 stars.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-15/the-decision-that-changed-the-dems/full/

    How the Dems got to the point of no turning back.

    She. Will. Not. Ever. Stop.

    http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/pelosi-passing-health-reform-will-set-stage-for-great-debate-with-gop/

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  30. @Missy: I know what you mean about bad things happening on or around St. Pats day. I have some bad memories from that date too.

    But it looks like the bill won’t be voted on before Friday at the earliest and more likely Saturday so hopefully that will clear out the bad karma surrounding that date.

    I’d challenge any Representative who changes his vote from NO on the previous bill to YES on this one and demand to know what promises they got from Pelosi or Obama as the price of that vote. We’ve already heard about judgeships being offered to family of congressmen:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-now-selling-appeals-court-judgeships-health-care-votes

    I hear a lot about Congressmen suddenly being invited on board Air Force One. We can probably get those flight manifests. It’s difficult to believe that a Congressman would sell out his constituents for a ride on the big plane but I’d be willing to bet that some do.

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  31. MataHarley says: 33

    Mike’sA: I hear a lot about Congressmen suddenly being invited on board Air Force One. We can probably get those flight manifests. It’s difficult to believe that a Congressman would sell out his constituents for a ride on the big plane but I’d be willing to bet that some do.

    It’s called having a captive audience for the duration, Mike. Bet their arms are sore when they disembark….

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  33. johngalt says: 34

    Mata

    Thanks for the defense. As far as I am concerned about BRob, his flippant disregard for the words in the Constitution make him an enemy of liberty for he cares not about principle but only of self gratification and adulation.

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.” s Samuel Adams

    I believe that time has come, and while BRob and his fellow comrades stand behind the president and his party in rending the Constitution apart, myself and millions more patriot brothers and sisters will stand on the ramparts of freedom in defense of it.

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  34. Someone mentioned Ohio?

    Heh!

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