28 Jan

Do Felons Deserve a Second Chance, Obama Thinks So [Reader Post]

                                       

Should convicted felons be given a second chance? Barack Obama thinks so, and he thinks the tax payers should have to foot the bill. He made his view on this issue more than evident during a town hall meeting in Elyria, Ohio on January 22nd. Here is a excerpt from this Ohio town hall meeting, where a 29 year old felon who has never had a job in his life asks Obama if he will help felons get a job.

Jerome the felon asks Obama:

“I’m 29 years old, and I’ve never had a job in my life. I went to jail when I was younger. It’s like hard to get a job as a felon. Is this — any programs that hire people with felonies like something that — because it’s sad, it’s like — 29 years old, I’m 29.”

Obama Answers Jerome:

“Look, I’m proud of the fact that you’re bringing this up because there are people who’ve made mistakes, particularly when they’re young, and it is in all of our interests to help them redeem themselves and then get on a straight path. Now, I don’t blame employers obviously for being nervous about hiring somebody who has a record. It’s natural if they’ve got a lot of applicants for every single job that that’s a question that they’d have in their minds. On the other hand, I think one of the great things about America is we give people second chances.

And so what we’ve tried to do — and I want to say, this has been a bipartisan effort — when I was in the Senate, working with Sam Brownback; my Vice President, Joe Biden — passing a Second Chance Act that helps to fund programs that help the reintegration of ex-felons.

It’s smart for us to do. You know, sometimes people say, well, that’s just coddling people. No; you reduce the recidivism rate, they pay taxes, it ends up being smart for taxpayers to do.”

Shame on Jerome, if he really wanted a job he could get one. He is playing the victim card. In reality he is only a victim of his own bad decisions. Taxpayers already pay for convicts to be in prison, now Obama wants us to pay to get them a job? Don’t get me wrong, I believe everyone(well, almost everyone) deserves a second chance, but it is not the responsibility of everyone else to provide that second chance.

Now before you start sending me nasty emails saying “you are stupid, and you just don’t understand how hard it is for felons to get a job.” Please allow me to stray from the beaten path for a moment and tell you a bit about my own experience.

I am a convicted felon. Five felonies to be exact. I spent the later part of my teenage years (15-19 years old) as a drug addict. Between ages 18 – 19, I lived out of the back of an Oldsmobile, and skipped around from job to job (i kept getting fired for some odd reason, hmm) to raise money for my heroin habit. I continued this pattern of living until I was finally arrested, charged with 9 felonies, convicted of 5 felonies, and sentenced to 1 year and 2 months in prison. One day, as I was sitting in my cell, I thought to myself, “this isn’t the life I want. I want something better, and I’m going to get.” So I made a plan for what I was going to do when I got out, and I decided to use my time in there wisely by educating myself. I started studying college algebra, then moved on to calculus and finally computer science. I also applied for college while I was in prison, so I could attend as soon as I got out. My release day came, and guess what, I went out and got a job flipping burgers the next day.

I worked the early shift at my new job . Public buses didn’t run that early in the morning(in VA, if you receive a felony conviction you lose your license), so I walked to work, 5 miles, every morning. When my shift was over, I hoped on a bus, and went to the local community college to take a couple of classes. When I got out of class the buses weren’t running so I walked home, 4 miles, every night. This process repeated everyday for 9 months until I finally saved up enough money to pay off all of my court costs, and go through all of the red tape required to get my license back. When I finally got my license and my car back, I went out searching for a new, better job. I found 2 jobs. Who would have thought that a convict could get 2 jobs (Jerome couldn’t seem to find 1 in 29 years). I met a wonderful girl at one of these jobs, and we eventually got hitched! Fast forward 4 years and I am happily married, the proud owner of a brand new home, 6.5 years sober, have a good job, and I am almost done with a bachelors degree in computer science (I pay my own way through school, so I only take as many classes as I can afford).

I told you this story to tell you this. I know it is hard to get a job if you are a felon. I do understand. However, if you are a felon, you are not a victim of society, you are a victim of your actions. It is not the responsibility of tax payers to provide you with a second, it is your responsibility. In the United States there are infinite possibilities for a second chance, but you have to go out and get it. It will not come to you. Don’t let your criminal record hold you back, use it as a lesson in life. If you work hard, pursue your dreams, and strive to be a good citizen, good things will happen. That is the beauty of liberty and freedom, you have every opportunity to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get on the right track in life. How could you not love a country that has allowed a drug addicted, homeless convict to become a sober, homeowner, with a beautiful wife, and lives the American dream everyday. God Bless America!

Crossposted from Liberty and Pride

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674 Responses to Do Felons Deserve a Second Chance, Obama Thinks So [Reader Post]

  1. Bryan Miller says: 651

    [Weekend Wisdom] “I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times I’ve been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.” –Michael Jordan

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  2. Bryan Miller,
    thank you for that one, i like it and MICHAEL JORDAN TOO,

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  3. derick says: 653

    second chance for felons is a great idea

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  4. notonmyown says: 654

    From notonmyown,
    I was convicted for a crime that was committed by my temp guardian. So because I was not on my own I got charged as a convicted felon for my entire adult life. I am am American, its a miracle that Im still alive. With no real resources to provide a life for myself. And no protection from dangerous people because I cannot bear arms and cannot vote. I am 42 years old, for over 20 years I have lived the life of an accused convicted felon of a strong armed robbery that was committed by another person. How am I supposed to feel about our American value system or the judicial system when I myself have never received justice for what occurred that day, 23 years ago.
    Today, I am the witness of many people who have criminal intentions and because of my criminal history, deliberately attempt to commit crimes , especially while at work on the clock, simply because they learn that I am on the clock working and via. I myself have a criminal record, and they themselves records are squeaky clean. This is an extraordinary but very real experience and it occurs on a consist basis. Which ultimately prevents me from succeeding in making a career path. Because of free access to computerized information technology and the ill mindedness of competitive coworkers who cant do anything right, but thoroughly question and research another aspiring employee, I seem to forever become the prime candidate to group discrimination while on the job. This is all due to my display of candidacy at the workplace. Which apparently tends to irritate other co-workers far too often not to go unnoticed. Yet, they openly contribute their distaste for me and my criminal record among other coworkers meanwhile becoming more and more agitated that their criminal intentions are being diverted by my actions. At the end of the day though they will remain and I will nontheless be out of a job again. Can anyone help me, Im so tired of all the bureaucratic games and politicians promises. This ordeal is very absurd, and a mockery to the American dream.

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  5. notonmyown
    hi, just say they are rotten and by hasseling you they show their inner self,
    surely you don’t pay attention to that kind of people, you are worth more then they are, and never will be,
    the best is to keep away from them and look at them without answering any thing to their word even good words, than they will feell it more they will see their failing to get you angry, and see their dark soul,
    and you will not be missing anything even if you are alone doing your job,
    they are not your boss they are lower than you are, don’t let that kind of people burn you,
    there’s alway a moron at work to make the rest clime the wall, and it’s not you,
    why should you get tired because of moron they do not own you, and you don’t work for them,
    raise your head up high over them and look above them,and smile, you win
    take care, and if you get so tired take a good night sleep and never take drugs to keep your mind clean
    and alert,
    best to you and get back with us if you feel down, work take an important part of one’s life,
    but we work only to make our life the best part,
    bye

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    TO CHECK IF IT’S GOOD OR BAD,
    wwwsurvy77>com
    THE WORD COULD BE, SURVEY INSTEAD OF SURVY,
    CHECK BACK IF YOU LIKE,
    THAT IS A COMPUTER JOB I THINK

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  7. Laurie Smith says: 657

    My son was conficted of a felony at age 18. It was a victimless crime – a misunderstanding. He did not steal anything. He did not hurt anyone. No jail time. He is now 22 and has a two babies and cannot find a decent job. All he can get is waiter jobs – and has to use food stamps for his family. He applies to hundreds of jobs and no one will even talk to him. It seems cruel that a teenager’s life can be ruined in the blink of an eye!

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  8. Laurie Smith
    yes it is, in a country with open borders,it is absolutely the world upside down,
    it take away of the greatness of a country to have 20 MILLION BRANDED FELON PEOPLE,
    it”s a shame to leave them out of the system< and reduce them to welfare and mendicity,
    and they are no matter one can think ,of the great AMERICAN ROOTS IN DEEP GROUND,
    THOSE WHO HAVE SPILL THEIR BLOOD thru the history OF THIS NATION,
    they don’t need first the right of votes, this is hypocrital,they need first
    TO HAVE THE LABEL REMOVE AFTER THEY HAVE DONE THEIR PUNISHMENT,
    AND I SAY REMOVE ALL IN GOOGLE WHICH HAS NO RIGHT TO KEEP IT OPEN FAR BACK YEARS,,
    THERE IS THE START BUTTON THE WIPE AWAY YEARS OF LABEL WHO NEVER GO AWAY,
    even if one is there to save another from drawning, he or she must carry the chain of enslavement for life
    THAT IS THE FIRST MOVE FROM AUTHORITY TO DO, NOT LEAVE ONE TRUE AMERICAN TO BECOME
    nobody important, to become the one to pick on if he or she find a job, IT IS ABBHORRENT FOR THE WHOLE NATION TO BE carrying such a THIRD COUNTRY ATTITUDE, let it be notice to every GOVERNORS
    OF STATES TO DO WHAT THEY MUST NOT DESIRE, NOT MAYBE, NOT DELAY, BUT MUST DO NOW,
    TO THEIR CITIZENS BRANDED by such a heavy burden after paying for their mistake a big price they have been responsible to deserve, but no one and google incuded have the right to persue that punishment for years after, to prevent them the right to work and remove the cattle alike branding,
    of human BROTHER AND SISTER OF AMERICAN,
    I ACCUSE THE WHOLE GOVERNORS OF THE USA TO MAKE THAT BRANDING OF HUMAN CONTINUE,
    FURTHER AS A SHAME ON THEM,
    WHILE THEY INVITE FOREIGNERS WITH OPEN DOOR, THOSE WHO HATE AMERICA INCLUDED,
    ANY ONE WILL DO, WHILE TRUE AMERICAN CARRY THE BRAND OF FELON FOR LIFE,
    THIS IS A PRIORITY, DON'T YOU SEE THE MISERY OF MINDS AND BODY YOU GOVERNOR ARE
    EXPOSING ON THE FELON FOR LIFE, THEY ARE TO BE STUDY AND MADE IN GROUP OF NOT DANGEROUS FOR SOCIETY WHICH HAVE LIVED AMONG SOCIETY EXPRESSELY BECAUSE FOUND NOT DANGEROUS, AND MADE TO SUFFER THE SHAME OF THE LABEL, THE SHAME OF BEING REFUSE WORK
    WHICH FOR MANY ARE REDUCE TO AS FOR ANY JOB LIKE BEGGARS MORE INTELLIGENT FOR MANY,
    THAN THE PRESIDENT,AND GOVERNOR OF THE USA ,WHO AS ONE SAID ,CAN SAVE YOUR LIVES WITHOUT HESITATION IF THE NEED OCCUR,YOU CAN DEPEND ON THEM, YET YOU BIG COMPANY
    NOT AS PURE OF SINS THAN YOU PRETEND TO BE, GIVE THOSE JOB SEEKERS THE FINGER,
    WHEN THEY COME TO YOU, REJECTING THEM ONLY FOR THAT MILD FELONY, SHAME BE ON YOU
    TO HAVE ALLOWED IT TOO LONG, AND YOU ARE LOOSING GOOD SMART EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OF IT.
    IT'S TIME TO DO WHAT YOU BIG EMPLOYER ,HAVE TO DO,AND NOW, BEFORE THE AMNESTY SET IN ON HUMAN FROM ABROAD YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE IN FRONT OF YOU SMILLING WITH ALL THEIR THEETS, AND YOU'LL NEVER KNOW, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIND OUT ON THEM,
    AND YOU HAVE THE CULOT TO REFUSE A GOOD AMERICAN WITH A FAMILY OF AMERICAN YOUNGS
    TO FEED, YOU ALL COMPANY, ARE THE FELON, DON’t LOOK AWAY, AND CARRY YOUR SHAME,AND CHANGE,

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  9. Bryan Miller says: 659

    I never owned a Dodge Viper, I drove a Toyota 4 Runner, many things are wrong or over dramatized, there people also lying.

    We never held out ourselves to be a CPA firm. There are thousands like that. When people asked I told the truth and said we were not a CPA firm.

    The big 4 is one career track. There are many others. You don’t have to work for one of them to be successful in Accounting. I personally would not want to work for one of them.

    Bryan

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  10. Chill says: 660

    This is what the government needs to do to those who messed up. With forgiveness you will get the most out of America’s citizens.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lu5udXEZI

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  11. Bryan Miller says: 661

    I believe it was in 2004 or 2005 that I applied to get my CPA license. Different state boards have different criteria, I had my license in Texas. From the work I’ve seen over the past 30 years, having your CPA license does not mean you are a good professional. it means you can pass a test. But if that is what you want, go for it.

    Bryan

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  12. THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR GIVE THAN SECOND CHAMCE …..U.S.A GOD BLESS YOU

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  13. Angiee phrakash
    it”s not PRESIDENT, it’s a REPUBLICAN NAME RAND PAUL WHO SAID IT,
    when he will be elected,

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  14. tevares carlton says: 664

    I am a convicted felon, my felonies were commited over nine years ago, I am also bi racial/ black. it is hard for me to find employment, yes I am employed. I am also more capable of performing the job task than my other co- workers. I have skills and qualifications that would permit any person without a record to make decent wages but because of my felonies I have to accept lower paying jobs because that is the only jobs that will allow me to work, the jobs nobody else wants or jobs with high turn over rates because every one quits because of the low pay and physicality of the work…. I have 5 plus years as cnc machinist, I put in applications for higher paying jobs in this field, they never even responded to my applications or resume, my wife applied with out any shop experience and two days later received a call and was hired and trained. I know many convicted felons at these job sights but they are white, so its just not the record but when your a minority its just another reason to deny you.

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  15. tevares carlton
    sorry to hear that you are a minority within a minority, it shouldn’t be,
    you are not a minority, because you found a job that other whites are not able to find,
    and that give you a superiority, for you to think bigger than smaller is important for your mindset,
    yes the money is a blatant injustice done to a hard worker in a hard job,
    but this job is for making your life at home the best you can, while time go by, and maybe someday
    you will work for yourself doing the same job for that to happen, even if it take 10 years
    WHY DO I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD SAVE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN SO TO ACHIEVE THAT INDEPENDANCE DREAM, WHICH WITH YOUR SKILL AND INCREASE KNOWLEDGE AS TIME FLY
    TO GET YOU THERE WHERE YOU WORK FOR YOURSELF, MAYBE HELP BY YOUR FAMILY, YOU ARE ON THE WAY TO GET YOUR DREAM REALITY, IF YOU STAY OPTIMIST AND THINK OF THE FUTURE,
    I WISH FOR YOU AND YOUR WIFE,
    BEST TO YOU,

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  16. Kid in college with a felony says: 666

    hey guys,
    I think I posted on here before. Last week, I called the board in accounting and they said that I could be an accountant! They said that it was possible but they didn’t explain much. i will keep you guys updated

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  17. Kid in college with a felony,YES GOOD FOR YOU AND WE WILL WANT
    TO HEAR FROM YOU,
    THANK YOU,

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  18. RedJoe says: 668

    My son is a felon. This is what he found…

    You can go into nursing, project management, construction management, truck driving, fast food, information technology, sales…

    Reference: Jobs4Felons101

    I believe that the website was jobs4felons.com. But, I will have to check it for you.

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  19. RedJoe
    YES, ALL THESES PEOPLE
    can benefit from all the clues and sources they can get,
    much oblige SR,
    RAND PAUL HAS THEM IN MIND, HE SAID IT PUBLICLY AND I BELIEVE HIM,
    HE IS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER, NO LIES WITH HIM,

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  20. Bryan Miller says: 670

    Tevares Carlton,

    Don’t believe everything you read. I built two big non-cps practices and you can make a decent amount of money. I can put you in touch with a person you can tell you how to do that. it is their business. There are two types of accounting practices, traditional CPA firm’s and non-CPA’s firms. The Non-CPA accounting firm I had in Ft. Lauderdale in 2005, I was able to get 100 clients and over 12k in billings in 6 months. You seem to believe that the CPA license is the magic bullet to it all. It is not. It is one way. Bu there are others. It really comes down to what you know. By the way, I started at the bottom of the ladder and worked myself up.

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  21. Bryan Miller says: 671

    That because you looked under CPA firms, look under accounting and bookkeeping firms.
    By the definition of your search, that the results you would expect. When you look up “CPA” firms, you get “CPA” firms.

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  22. Need Hope says: 672

    I haven’t been on here in a while, but I am starting to have hope. I keep reading about people who are felons and have found gainful employment. I was reading about one guy out in California who was arrested and jailed for a felony. He loved computers, started working for an IT company fresh out of jail and ten years later, became the CIO of the company. He said that he had an anger problem, too.

    There is one woman who was just arrested for a felony that I was reading about… a drug felony. Now, she has a job that pays 100K per year working for the government AND SHE HASN’T EVEN WENT TO COURT YET!!!
    http://blog.timesunion.com/localpolitics/15622/after-felony-arrest-quinn-lands-new-100k-job/

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  23. RedJoe says: 673

    Thanks Need Hope.

    To kid in college: I read something online about an accounting company getting a lot of shit because they hired quite a few convicted felons.

    I called the Dean of Nursing at my college and she said that my son could be a nurse. Other people in his position have made it, excluding a man convicted of child pornography. A children’s hospital would not let him do the clinical at their hospital.

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  24. Patrick Kevin Liggett says: 674

    I committed a felony 30 years ago. i served 3 months in prison and 3 years probation. My offense was i conspiracy to counterfeit. I served my time with no trouble and i served my probation without incident . If i moved to canada would i still be a felon in canada ?

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