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Davey
14 years ago
But you have to remember the mainline media is now no longer interested in just old boring journalism. They’re a whole new generation of New Left journalistic whores.
Smorgasbord
14 years ago
Mike,
You either forgot, or didn’t know, the propaganda media want liberals in office. THEIR candidate lost. It is a normal reaction when YOUR candidate looses to analyze more about why YOUR candidate lost than how the OTHER candidate won. They aren’t done yet. We are going to hear about this for years.
Skookum
14 years ago
Mike, I listen to Marxist radio and read Media matters, they are proclaiming vociferously that Fox is biased and a political propaganda organ of the Republican Party. Are you prepared to answer those charges?
Quite obviously, Hannity is strongly partisan, although he will certainly criticize the Republican party and Republican candidates on substantive issues.
O’Reilly has bent over backwards to be fair to Obama.
The various Fox panels skew right, often having more opinions from the right than the left, but they do include opinions from the left (and the far left).
However, to assert that FoxNews is a propaganda organ of the Republican party is absurd. Do you recall the recent congressional election in New York? Do you recall who got the most positive coverage on FoxNews? The independent did; not the Republican, who was skewered by Hannity and others.
What I have noticed is, some people (and organizations) make judgments based upon what they do themselves. Have you ever noticed on the liberal stations (which is most of them), that they often repeat the exact same phrases all day long, despite them being (supposedly) independent news organizations? How do 5-10 news people on different stations and even in different media use the exact same phrase on the same day?
It is much more reasonable to make a case that there are Democratic talking points which make it to many and various news desks.
Smorgasbord
14 years ago
Gary Kukis,
Many times the propaganda media also use the same picture in their different stories. They don’t go out as much as they used to. They stage pictures.
Now there is a story on the Drudge Report about a letter to the editor that is being printed by different papers. Is this something that the liberals are doing? To read the story go to drudgereport.com and click on “PAPER: Obama has suspicious number of letter writing fans named ‘Ellie Light’…”
@Skookum: Does anyone take what those George Soros groups say seriously?
Too bad Marxist Media Matters doesn’t apply the same standard for fairness to themselves that they daily demand of Fox News.
Frankly, Fox News bends over backwards to be fair. Did anyone else notice that when Obama went to Massachusetts last Sunday Fox News carried his speech but did NOT have a corresponding live broadcast at the speech from the Brown rally that same day?
The news consuming public doesn’t need Marxist Media Matters to tell them how fair and balanced Fox News is. The public is voting with their remote controls every single night.
Skookum
14 years ago
A bit of sarcastic humor from the Good Humor man, that’s all Mike. Obviously fewer and fewer people are listening to the mind numbing propaganda of Soros, but it pays to anticipate their talking points. Their most common thrust is to reverse Republican or Conservative charges: i.e. to claim that Republicans control media. When they claim these outrageous lies long enough on their radio shows, people actually call in to support the absurdities.
Capturing audiences with the Conservative radio personalities and capturing news scoops is a long way from being propaganda bureaus like CNN, MSNBC, and the rest. I am just in a rare mood this morning. Of course I don’t expect you or any of our regulars to believe their inane verbiage anymore than I do; I am bored to tears listening to the Useful Idiots and their breathless reports; but it is a duty I perform now and then while driving.
You’ll have to look long and hard to find anyone that gives a sheeeeeet about your parroted talking points and polls (from who knows where…) three years out from an election, rich wheeler. Hopefully you add value elsewhere in your life. Since here, you’re sure not worth much salt.
yo rich wheeler… had you a clue on this blog, you’d realize that I… out of all the authors… place zip, squat, zero credentials in any poll. The only poll I believe happens on election day. The latest of which was Jan 19th… a day that will forever be burned into your forehead.
As far as a Fox poll, or whatever you’re babbling about, I place the least amount of stock in news media polls…. no matter what news media. However you may provide a link to the poll of which you speak at any time. I’m certainly not willing to take you at your word since there’s little that drips from your keyboard that I give credibility.
But I would find it interesting that such a poll by Fox would result in the percentages you quote. After all, isn’t Fox a right winger news site? This would mean that you either lie about this poll, or you lie about Fox as a biased right wing site.
Either way, you’ve cornered your sorry ass into a web of lies.
@Mike’s America… now now, Mike. You put out the bait with a headline like this, ya know. Who’s actually trolling for trolls? LOL
I watch all the news channels…. each for a different reason. But truthfully, I hang most on the business news channels now for the mainstay. I reserve CNN, MSNBC and Fox News for occasional entertainment. I find most of their talking heads just as worthless as the others. MSNBC’s the best for caricatures of talking heads tho. They’re so over the top you have to watch every once in awhile for amusement value. Must keep their make up artists busy inbetween commercials, wiping the foam from their mouths.
So what poll is the troll talking about? Or just another chunk of manure jettisoned from his keyboard?
And like who cares about a line up of 2012 candidates three years ahead of time? This, along with a penny in a phone booth, wouldn’t get you the time of day.
mh You are one confused babe. Obama won the last poll that matters in Nov. 08. Hide here in your fantasy world with your right wing clones if you like. You truly bore me with your crass stupidity I’ll move on to more intelligent spaces and places. Bye ck.with your buddies Sean or Glenn and they’ll confirm the poll.It’s The Truth.
@rich wheeler, what’s a matter, rich? Can’t find the poll to back up your assertations? Pity. But then, again you demonstrate you simply do not know your rabbits. I abhor Hannity, and occasionally watch Beck. See above… I haunt the business news channels and internet news of all sources.
Nov 2008? BWAHAHAHA…. what a difference a year of failure after failure, and $1.6 trillion increased national debt makes. Nothing like electing a Euro-socialist to the WH to bring out the inner conservative in even moderate liberals. Again I reference Jan 19th, a day that will be etched into your neanderthal forehead forever.
However, don’t let the saloon door hit your ass on the way out. There’s plenty of progressive sites functioning at your reading level where I’m sure you’ll be welcomed as a genius in the making.
I’m with you on not taking much stock in polls, especially when they survey a mere 900 people. But I believe this is what Rich is referring to. My computer is on it’s last legs, and won’t let me upgrade adobe reader, so I couldn’t check the graphs, but I believe it’s what you’re asking for, with a bit more info….
Polls are an art form and they can be done with some interest in finding the truth and others are done with the purpose of molding opinion. However, taking a 900 person sample does not invalidate a poll; it is the sampling which determines the reliability of the poll.
So, as an example, Bill O’Reilly can have a poll to which 20,000 respond to and Gallup (or Rasmussen, or whatever) can have the same poll with 900 people, and the Gallup poll will be much more reflective of public sentiment than O’Reilly’s poll, because of the way Gallup samples.
Thanks Cary Believe it’s the last paragraph that confirms poll #’s I mentioned. Regards to M.H. No apology required or expected. We can agree on abhoring Hannity.
It certainly would be easy to send the same letter to the editor via email to different publications. I’ve in fact done so. However, I see nothing wrong with writing to The Houston Chronical as Cary from NYC – I don’t have to say I’m from Katy. But I would be dissuaded from submitting if I have to provide my personal phone number or specific home address, as I know full well it would immediately subject me to endless unwanted subscription/ sales solicitation. I can deal with directing emails to the spam filter, but phone calls are a bit more to handle, especially when I’m charged for the calls. So, I’d rather let this reflect on the writer, Ms. Light, than on any of the publications themselves.
Welcome back the @Cary we knew, guy. And thanks for doing rich wheeler’s homework for him. Yup… always hate polls. There’s something bizarre when you can think a nation’s trend of thinking is determined by 1000 or so people who bother to pick up their phones and agree to participate. But they are far more interesting when you read the source data and breakdowns, and not some soundbyte phrase from an article by a journalist.
It is especially funny that rich wheeler decided to post info from the last graphs of the article, pitting the media’s guesses as to who may get the GOP nod, and ignore the first lead sentence:
As views remain sharply divided about Congress, Americans say — by a 47-43 percent margin — they would vote for someone else rather than re-elect President Obama if the 2012 presidential elections were held today.
I guess it’s easier to talk about some match ups against imaginary candidates than to drive home the point that – sans any opposing candidate – the big Zero’s charm is wearing off… quickly.
The poll breakdowns, taken pre’MA special election Jan 12-13th, are are on this PDF. Breathtaking the fall from grace Obama has taken in just his first 12 months.
As I said, I don’t believe there’s a candidate out there yet that most conservatives find appealing. Nor am I too worried about it. We have a couple years of events to go thru, and that’s going to sink some, and allow others to bubble up to the surface. The GOP, unlike the Dems, aren’t quick to issue coronations or entitlements to the big names.
Most elections in my lifetime have been a choice between worse and worst, and I don’t doubt the next POTUS election will come down to the same. When a Prez is unpopular, they’ll pull the lever for Mickey Mouse… if that’s who’s on the opposing ticket. I have no doubts Hillary would have beat McCain in 2008 as well. In fact, they could have run rich wheeler himself, and he’d be likely to have won. 2008 was, as the Dems defined it, a run against George W. Bush. 2012 will be defined as a run against Obama.
But even more breathtaking is the fall for Obama. Obama voters, themselves, have a poor showing of only 43% who would “definitely” re’elect him. By gosh… he’s lost the guarantee of almost half his voters, and now has to bank on a “probably”… meaning if he gets the nominee nod. That’s pretty darned low, and shows many are open to even more “change”… this time away from Obama.
But then reality dictates if you don’t want an orange, but an orange is the only thing on your plate, you eat the orange out of necessity. Like I said, the Dem primaries are going to be interesting, and totally dependent upon events on the ground between now and then.
What’s distinct is the noticable decrease in indy’s who would vote to re’elect Obama…. down to 32% from 43% in Apr. “da won” needed that Indy vote to put him over the top. The combined totals of Dem/GOP and Indy’s has only 23% who would “definitely” vote for Obama, and 20% that are a “probably”.
Another interesting note among these responders is that 50-57% of GOP/Indy’s think it’s a great idea to kick all Congress out, and start anew. Only 31% of Dems think that’s a good idea, but that in itself doesn’t bode well for attitudes towards Congress in general.
And where all political stripes agreed in high numbers is the reason they thought politicians were in office. 67% of total sum say it’s power and wealth. The Dem responders, more trusting on motives than GOP and Indys, even had 58% majority who believed it’s all about power and wealth. Both GOP and Indys are in the 70% range.
I’d say if Obama was planning on increasing the “trust” in government, and changing the way the beltway works, it can be chalked up to yet another failure on the books. Guess all this “transparency” isn’t working it’s charm after all.
@rich wheeler:, I guess you need a reminder of the corner you backed yourself into. I said, verbatim:
But I would find it interesting that such a poll by Fox would result in the percentages you quote. After all, isn’t Fox a right winger news site? This would mean that you either lie about this poll, or you lie about Fox as a biased right wing site.
Either way, you’ve cornered your sorry ass into a web of lies.
Obviously Fox isn’t the right winger site you believe it to be, and confirms Mike A’s post headline. I’d say he’s not expecting an apology from you.
As for me? Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my comment above… that if Fox were so extreme right, and biased, how could such a poll exist under those conditions. Therefore you either lied about the poll numbers, or you lied about Fox bias.
M.H. From your post you’d never know how much you hate polls.Guess we can also agree on our abhorance of the Bush Presidency. Thanks for your endorsement but I chose to defer to BHO or Hillary in the run against my most respected fellow Naval Service Officer.Finally, we can agree that the next truly important Poll will be in 2012 and may the best man or woman win to lead our great country. Semper Fi RJW
Again things slide right over your head, rich wheeler. I said poll sources are “interesting”, not gospel. Don’t believe in them. I see them exactly for what they are… the opinions of 800-1000 or so people who may or may not vote, despite being registered. What I do know about them is they played along with a pollster when answering their phone that eve.
I said I abhor Hannity, and that the 2008 election was a run against George Bush. The former is abhorrence… the latter is a statement of fact sans opinion. Pay attention.
And no, we cannot agree that the next truly important election will be 2012. The next important ones will be individuals such as Lt. Col. West in Florida (and others like him), the income tax increase measures here in Oregon tomorrow, and the midterms 2010 this fall. If Obama has half the brains you all like to think he possesses, he’d better hope the balance of power is restored in Congress to check any further damage he, Pelosi and Reid have wreaked. It’s the only way to redeem his presidency at this time.
Nothing could be better for an Obama failure in 2012 than the Dem’s maintaining superpower status, and spending their way into further disdain from the electorate at large. However it’s better for the nation for the balance of power to be restored… so I vote for the latter.
@Cary: Thanks for the link to the Fox poll. The most interesting nugget is:
“As views remain sharply divided about Congress, Americans say — by a 47-43 percent margin — they would vote for someone else rather than re-elect President Obama if the 2012 presidential elections were held today.”
As for giving your phone number for letters to the editor, it is required by my local paper and they have never called to ask me to subscribe to the lefty rag.
@MataHarley: You and Semper Faux need to get a room 🙂
MIKE Not sure MH appreciates your pimping her out and I’ m happily married. Pls. send me your Fax # and I’ll be happy to send you my dd-214 which shows my service as a Marine Corps Officer in Viet Nam. Meantime I think all should lighten up.
Hankster58
14 years ago
Davey, you have it backwards….. the MSM are not the “whores”.. they are the PIMPS!! They are the ones fronting and trying to SELL people an agenda…. not the ones providing it…..
For those of you who do not like polls; there are polls which are crafted in order to mold opinion. This does not invalidate all polling. Questioning 900 people does not invalidate a poll nor does it make that poll inaccurate. Remember, Rasmussen was within a tenth of a percentage point of calling the Obama/McCain election. That is tremendous accuracy.
But you have to remember the mainline media is now no longer interested in just old boring journalism. They’re a whole new generation of New Left journalistic whores.
Mike,
You either forgot, or didn’t know, the propaganda media want liberals in office. THEIR candidate lost. It is a normal reaction when YOUR candidate looses to analyze more about why YOUR candidate lost than how the OTHER candidate won. They aren’t done yet. We are going to hear about this for years.
Mike, I listen to Marxist radio and read Media matters, they are proclaiming vociferously that Fox is biased and a political propaganda organ of the Republican Party. Are you prepared to answer those charges?
Quite obviously, Hannity is strongly partisan, although he will certainly criticize the Republican party and Republican candidates on substantive issues.
O’Reilly has bent over backwards to be fair to Obama.
The various Fox panels skew right, often having more opinions from the right than the left, but they do include opinions from the left (and the far left).
However, to assert that FoxNews is a propaganda organ of the Republican party is absurd. Do you recall the recent congressional election in New York? Do you recall who got the most positive coverage on FoxNews? The independent did; not the Republican, who was skewered by Hannity and others.
What I have noticed is, some people (and organizations) make judgments based upon what they do themselves. Have you ever noticed on the liberal stations (which is most of them), that they often repeat the exact same phrases all day long, despite them being (supposedly) independent news organizations? How do 5-10 news people on different stations and even in different media use the exact same phrase on the same day?
It is much more reasonable to make a case that there are Democratic talking points which make it to many and various news desks.
Gary Kukis,
Many times the propaganda media also use the same picture in their different stories. They don’t go out as much as they used to. They stage pictures.
Now there is a story on the Drudge Report about a letter to the editor that is being printed by different papers. Is this something that the liberals are doing? To read the story go to drudgereport.com and click on “PAPER: Obama has suspicious number of letter writing fans named ‘Ellie Light’…”
@Skookum: Does anyone take what those George Soros groups say seriously?
Too bad Marxist Media Matters doesn’t apply the same standard for fairness to themselves that they daily demand of Fox News.
Frankly, Fox News bends over backwards to be fair. Did anyone else notice that when Obama went to Massachusetts last Sunday Fox News carried his speech but did NOT have a corresponding live broadcast at the speech from the Brown rally that same day?
The news consuming public doesn’t need Marxist Media Matters to tell them how fair and balanced Fox News is. The public is voting with their remote controls every single night.
A bit of sarcastic humor from the Good Humor man, that’s all Mike. Obviously fewer and fewer people are listening to the mind numbing propaganda of Soros, but it pays to anticipate their talking points. Their most common thrust is to reverse Republican or Conservative charges: i.e. to claim that Republicans control media. When they claim these outrageous lies long enough on their radio shows, people actually call in to support the absurdities.
Capturing audiences with the Conservative radio personalities and capturing news scoops is a long way from being propaganda bureaus like CNN, MSNBC, and the rest. I am just in a rare mood this morning. Of course I don’t expect you or any of our regulars to believe their inane verbiage anymore than I do; I am bored to tears listening to the Useful Idiots and their breathless reports; but it is a duty I perform now and then while driving.
I agree Fox showed balance when they published 1/23 BHO 47%- Romney 35% BHO 55%- Palin 29% BHO 53%- Gingrich 29%. Good work.
You’ll have to look long and hard to find anyone that gives a sheeeeeet about your parroted talking points and polls (from who knows where…) three years out from an election, rich wheeler. Hopefully you add value elsewhere in your life. Since here, you’re sure not worth much salt.
@MataHarley: Why do you keep feeding the Semper Faux?
MH Fair and balanced Fox published this poll.You calling them liars?
yo rich wheeler… had you a clue on this blog, you’d realize that I… out of all the authors… place zip, squat, zero credentials in any poll. The only poll I believe happens on election day. The latest of which was Jan 19th… a day that will forever be burned into your forehead.
As far as a Fox poll, or whatever you’re babbling about, I place the least amount of stock in news media polls…. no matter what news media. However you may provide a link to the poll of which you speak at any time. I’m certainly not willing to take you at your word since there’s little that drips from your keyboard that I give credibility.
But I would find it interesting that such a poll by Fox would result in the percentages you quote. After all, isn’t Fox a right winger news site? This would mean that you either lie about this poll, or you lie about Fox as a biased right wing site.
Either way, you’ve cornered your sorry ass into a web of lies.
@Mike’s America… now now, Mike. You put out the bait with a headline like this, ya know. Who’s actually trolling for trolls? LOL
I watch all the news channels…. each for a different reason. But truthfully, I hang most on the business news channels now for the mainstay. I reserve CNN, MSNBC and Fox News for occasional entertainment. I find most of their talking heads just as worthless as the others. MSNBC’s the best for caricatures of talking heads tho. They’re so over the top you have to watch every once in awhile for amusement value. Must keep their make up artists busy inbetween commercials, wiping the foam from their mouths.
So what poll is the troll talking about? Or just another chunk of manure jettisoned from his keyboard?
And like who cares about a line up of 2012 candidates three years ahead of time? This, along with a penny in a phone booth, wouldn’t get you the time of day.
@MataHarley: There’s a difference. I give them a nasty headline, but you cook them dinner, rub their feet and make them cocoa.
And when it’s all said I done, I’m left with a sink full of dirty dishes!
mh You are one confused babe. Obama won the last poll that matters in Nov. 08. Hide here in your fantasy world with your right wing clones if you like. You truly bore me with your crass stupidity I’ll move on to more intelligent spaces and places. Bye ck.with your buddies Sean or Glenn and they’ll confirm the poll.It’s The Truth.
yeah… rub their feet with scalding oil, and lace the cocoa with arsenic. LOL
Wow, that’s quite an image, “you cook them dinner, rub their feet and make them cocoa.”
@rich wheeler, what’s a matter, rich? Can’t find the poll to back up your assertations? Pity. But then, again you demonstrate you simply do not know your rabbits. I abhor Hannity, and occasionally watch Beck. See above… I haunt the business news channels and internet news of all sources.
Nov 2008? BWAHAHAHA…. what a difference a year of failure after failure, and $1.6 trillion increased national debt makes. Nothing like electing a Euro-socialist to the WH to bring out the inner conservative in even moderate liberals. Again I reference Jan 19th, a day that will be etched into your neanderthal forehead forever.
However, don’t let the saloon door hit your ass on the way out. There’s plenty of progressive sites functioning at your reading level where I’m sure you’ll be welcomed as a genius in the making.
@MataHarley:
Saw it this morning at Lucianne’s, just had to use it.
@MataHarley:
I’m with you on not taking much stock in polls, especially when they survey a mere 900 people. But I believe this is what Rich is referring to. My computer is on it’s last legs, and won’t let me upgrade adobe reader, so I couldn’t check the graphs, but I believe it’s what you’re asking for, with a bit more info….
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/21/fox-news-poll-voters-split-congressional-elections/
Smorgasbord-
Excellent link; for those who missed it, it is:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/01/letter_writer_claims_diverse_r.html
Cary,
Polls are an art form and they can be done with some interest in finding the truth and others are done with the purpose of molding opinion. However, taking a 900 person sample does not invalidate a poll; it is the sampling which determines the reliability of the poll.
So, as an example, Bill O’Reilly can have a poll to which 20,000 respond to and Gallup (or Rasmussen, or whatever) can have the same poll with 900 people, and the Gallup poll will be much more reflective of public sentiment than O’Reilly’s poll, because of the way Gallup samples.
Thanks Cary Believe it’s the last paragraph that confirms poll #’s I mentioned. Regards to M.H. No apology required or expected. We can agree on abhoring Hannity.
@Gary Kukis:
It certainly would be easy to send the same letter to the editor via email to different publications. I’ve in fact done so. However, I see nothing wrong with writing to The Houston Chronical as Cary from NYC – I don’t have to say I’m from Katy. But I would be dissuaded from submitting if I have to provide my personal phone number or specific home address, as I know full well it would immediately subject me to endless unwanted subscription/ sales solicitation. I can deal with directing emails to the spam filter, but phone calls are a bit more to handle, especially when I’m charged for the calls. So, I’d rather let this reflect on the writer, Ms. Light, than on any of the publications themselves.
Welcome back the @Cary we knew, guy. And thanks for doing rich wheeler’s homework for him. Yup… always hate polls. There’s something bizarre when you can think a nation’s trend of thinking is determined by 1000 or so people who bother to pick up their phones and agree to participate. But they are far more interesting when you read the source data and breakdowns, and not some soundbyte phrase from an article by a journalist.
It is especially funny that rich wheeler decided to post info from the last graphs of the article, pitting the media’s guesses as to who may get the GOP nod, and ignore the first lead sentence:
I guess it’s easier to talk about some match ups against imaginary candidates than to drive home the point that – sans any opposing candidate – the big Zero’s charm is wearing off… quickly.
The poll breakdowns, taken pre’MA special election Jan 12-13th, are are on this PDF. Breathtaking the fall from grace Obama has taken in just his first 12 months.
As I said, I don’t believe there’s a candidate out there yet that most conservatives find appealing. Nor am I too worried about it. We have a couple years of events to go thru, and that’s going to sink some, and allow others to bubble up to the surface. The GOP, unlike the Dems, aren’t quick to issue coronations or entitlements to the big names.
Most elections in my lifetime have been a choice between worse and worst, and I don’t doubt the next POTUS election will come down to the same. When a Prez is unpopular, they’ll pull the lever for Mickey Mouse… if that’s who’s on the opposing ticket. I have no doubts Hillary would have beat McCain in 2008 as well. In fact, they could have run rich wheeler himself, and he’d be likely to have won. 2008 was, as the Dems defined it, a run against George W. Bush. 2012 will be defined as a run against Obama.
But even more breathtaking is the fall for Obama. Obama voters, themselves, have a poor showing of only 43% who would “definitely” re’elect him. By gosh… he’s lost the guarantee of almost half his voters, and now has to bank on a “probably”… meaning if he gets the nominee nod. That’s pretty darned low, and shows many are open to even more “change”… this time away from Obama.
But then reality dictates if you don’t want an orange, but an orange is the only thing on your plate, you eat the orange out of necessity. Like I said, the Dem primaries are going to be interesting, and totally dependent upon events on the ground between now and then.
What’s distinct is the noticable decrease in indy’s who would vote to re’elect Obama…. down to 32% from 43% in Apr. “da won” needed that Indy vote to put him over the top. The combined totals of Dem/GOP and Indy’s has only 23% who would “definitely” vote for Obama, and 20% that are a “probably”.
Another interesting note among these responders is that 50-57% of GOP/Indy’s think it’s a great idea to kick all Congress out, and start anew. Only 31% of Dems think that’s a good idea, but that in itself doesn’t bode well for attitudes towards Congress in general.
And where all political stripes agreed in high numbers is the reason they thought politicians were in office. 67% of total sum say it’s power and wealth. The Dem responders, more trusting on motives than GOP and Indys, even had 58% majority who believed it’s all about power and wealth. Both GOP and Indys are in the 70% range.
I’d say if Obama was planning on increasing the “trust” in government, and changing the way the beltway works, it can be chalked up to yet another failure on the books. Guess all this “transparency” isn’t working it’s charm after all.
@rich wheeler:, I guess you need a reminder of the corner you backed yourself into. I said, verbatim:
Obviously Fox isn’t the right winger site you believe it to be, and confirms Mike A’s post headline. I’d say he’s not expecting an apology from you.
As for me? Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my comment above… that if Fox were so extreme right, and biased, how could such a poll exist under those conditions. Therefore you either lied about the poll numbers, or you lied about Fox bias.
Slipped right over your head, eh? No surprise.
M.H. From your post you’d never know how much you hate polls.Guess we can also agree on our abhorance of the Bush Presidency. Thanks for your endorsement but I chose to defer to BHO or Hillary in the run against my most respected fellow Naval Service Officer.Finally, we can agree that the next truly important Poll will be in 2012 and may the best man or woman win to lead our great country. Semper Fi RJW
Again things slide right over your head, rich wheeler. I said poll sources are “interesting”, not gospel. Don’t believe in them. I see them exactly for what they are… the opinions of 800-1000 or so people who may or may not vote, despite being registered. What I do know about them is they played along with a pollster when answering their phone that eve.
I said I abhor Hannity, and that the 2008 election was a run against George Bush. The former is abhorrence… the latter is a statement of fact sans opinion. Pay attention.
And no, we cannot agree that the next truly important election will be 2012. The next important ones will be individuals such as Lt. Col. West in Florida (and others like him), the income tax increase measures here in Oregon tomorrow, and the midterms 2010 this fall. If Obama has half the brains you all like to think he possesses, he’d better hope the balance of power is restored in Congress to check any further damage he, Pelosi and Reid have wreaked. It’s the only way to redeem his presidency at this time.
Nothing could be better for an Obama failure in 2012 than the Dem’s maintaining superpower status, and spending their way into further disdain from the electorate at large. However it’s better for the nation for the balance of power to be restored… so I vote for the latter.
@Cary: Thanks for the link to the Fox poll. The most interesting nugget is:
As for giving your phone number for letters to the editor, it is required by my local paper and they have never called to ask me to subscribe to the lefty rag.
@MataHarley: You and Semper Faux need to get a room 🙂
MIKE Not sure MH appreciates your pimping her out and I’ m happily married. Pls. send me your Fax # and I’ll be happy to send you my dd-214 which shows my service as a Marine Corps Officer in Viet Nam. Meantime I think all should lighten up.
Davey, you have it backwards….. the MSM are not the “whores”.. they are the PIMPS!! They are the ones fronting and trying to SELL people an agenda…. not the ones providing it…..
For those of you who do not like polls; there are polls which are crafted in order to mold opinion. This does not invalidate all polling. Questioning 900 people does not invalidate a poll nor does it make that poll inaccurate. Remember, Rasmussen was within a tenth of a percentage point of calling the Obama/McCain election. That is tremendous accuracy.