UPDATED: NY Times reporting “frustration” within military ranks??

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I’m not sure what the bigger story is here… that the troops are feeling less than confident in their new Commander in Chief, or that this story is being reported in the New York Times.

But here it is… yesterday’s byline by Elisabeth Bumiller under the Military Memo, As the Commander in Chief Deliberates, Frustration Builds Within the Ranks

A number of active duty and retired senior officers say there is concern that the president is moving too slowly, is revisiting a war strategy he announced in March and is unduly influenced by political advisers in the Situation Room.

“The thunderstorm is there and it’s kind of brewing and it’s unstable and the lightning hasn’t struck, and hopefully it won’t,” said Nathaniel C. Fick, a former Marine Corps infantry officer who briefed Mr. Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign and is now the chief executive of the Center for a New American Security, a military research institution in Washington. “I think it can probably be contained and avoided, but people are aware of the volatile brew.”

Last week the national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Thomas J. Tradewell Sr., gave voice to the concerns of those in the military when he issued a terse statement criticizing Mr. Obama’s review of Afghan war strategy.

“The extremists are sensing weakness and indecision within the U.S. government, which plays into their hands,” said Mr. Tradewell’s statement on behalf of his group, which represents 1.5 million former soldiers.

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A retired general who served in Iraq said that the military had listened, “perhaps naïvely,” to Mr. Obama’s campaign promises that the Afghan war was critical. “What’s changed, and are we having the rug pulled out from under us?” he asked. Like many of those interviewed for this article, he spoke on the condition of anonymity because of fear of reprisals from the military’s civilian leadership and the White House.

Yes… Nero is fiddling while Rome burns. Instead, the POTUS uses the excuse of the recent Afghanistan election and accusations of corruption. Funny… that didn’t mean much when Iran had it’s election, and Ahmadinejad’s military might was killing protestors in the streets.

But since Karzai and challenger Abdullah Abdullah have a runoff election scheduled, it would seem that excuse gets flushed down the toilet.

Or is the CIC now fiddling, waiting to see the outcome? Which then begs the question, is the US support for Afghanistan contingent upon who the population elects?

UPDATED: As Obama’s advisors seem to whisper “tread lightly” in the POTUS famous ears, his own Sec’y of Defense seems to have adopted US’s NATO head General Stanley McCrystal’s method of pressure… that of taking the case to the public via the media. The NYT’s Thom Shanker published his article today, Gates Says Afghan Vote Will Not Slow Strategy.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said Tuesday that prolonged challenges to the political legitimacy of the government in Afghanistan should not halt the administration’s efforts to decide on a new strategy nor would it slow allied military operations there.

Speaking before meetings with senior Japanese officials, Mr. Gates warned that the anticipated runoff election and questions of installing a new, credible government in Kabul would be a lengthy process. During that time, administration discussions on strategy — and whether to send more troops — would not go into suspended animation, he said.

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“We are not going to just sit on our hands waiting for the outcome of this election and for the emergence of a government in Kabul,” Mr. Gates said. “We have operations under way and we will continue to conduct those operations.”

Mr. Gates, in assessing the impact on administration policy of strong charges of election fraud by supporters of President Hamid Karzai, noted that “whatever emerges in Kabul is going to be an evolutionary process.”

“It is not going to be complicated one day and simple the next,” he said. “I believe the president will have to make his decisions in the context of that evolutionary process.”

This is a completely different story than was conveyed by Rahm’bo Emanuel on the various talking head Sunday news shows. Emanuel characterizes the Obama decision stuttering as avoiding appearing “reckless” without [even more] analysis. In other words, they believe they need a *new* new strategy, deftly dodging their silent acknowledgement of their March strategy’s lack of success…. with Emanuel going so far as to classify it as the US “starting from scratch”.

Additionally, Emanuel places emphasis on the election and it’s outcome.

On Sunday, Rahm Emanuel, President Obama’s chief of staff, said in television interviews that the administration must first ensure it has a “credible” partner in the Afghan government before making a decision to send more troops.

Considering the candidates are well known to the admin, one has to wonder why either one, as leaders, wouldn’t meet their standards as a “credible” partner.

Such a disconnect…. END UPDATE

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Perhaps the most eyebrow raising moment in the article is the lengths the WH mouthpieces will go to defend Obama’s indecision on his own “new strategy” for Afghanistan.

Mr. Obama’s civilian advisers on national security say the president is appropriately reviewing his policy options from all sides. They said it would be reckless to rush a decision on whether to send as many as 40,000 more American men and women to war, particularly when the unresolved Afghan election had left the United States without a clear partner in Kabul.

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The administration has made clear that Mr. Obama will not necessarily follow the advice of his generals in the same way Mr. Bush did, notably in the former president’s deference to Gen. David H. Petraeus, now the head of the Central Command, and that it does not want military leaders publicly pressing the commander in chief as they give their advice.

Well now, that’s interesting. Especially when you consider Obama’s own Organizing for America website has a page dedicated to how many times candidate Obama had consistently said he’d “listen to commanders on the ground”.

But that was then. This is now, and he’s already achieved the power he sought.

Obama may find that the military leadership, who may have remained quiet on disagreements with the prior administration, is not apt to be so acquiescing with the current admin.

Andrew M. Exum, a former Army officer in Afghanistan, an adviser to General McChrystal and a fellow at the Center for a New American Security, said that the change in style from one administration to the next had led to some of the military’s discontent. “The Bush administration would settle on a strategy and stick to it, and you could argue often to ill effect,” he said, referring to the president’s decision not to send more troops to Iraq until 2007, after years of rising violence.

The Obama administration, he said, is not afraid to go back and question assumptions. “There’s a value in that,” Mr. Exum said, “but that can be incredibly frustrating for those trying to operationalize the strategy.”

Part of the strain comes from lessons learned from the generals who acquiesced to former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s demands for a small invasion force in Iraq, then faced criticism that they had not spoken up for more troops to secure the country during the occupation.

The retired general who served in Iraq said that today’s senior officers had decided, “I won’t be so quiet, I won’t be a lap dog.”

In the meantime, the commanders focus their concern for the troops on the ground and their safety. Those risking life and limb, trying to do too much with too little.

Another source of tension within the military is the view that a delay is endangering the 68,000 American troops now in Afghanistan. “McChrystal has troops out there who are risking their lives more than they need to, partly because we have not filled in the gaps and we have not created a safe zone in southern and eastern Afghanistan,” said Michael O’Hanlon, a national security expert at the Brookings Institution.

A military policy analyst, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid antagonizing senior Pentagon leaders, said that “the military lives in a very rarefied environment,” and that “they are not out there every day having to meet citizens who say, ‘What the hell are we doing?’ ”

Senior military officers, the analyst said, “are smart guys, but they do not have the daily pulse of the American public in their face. They tend to interpret politicians who give voice to it as being weak, but none of this works if the public gives up on it.”

This all brings up memories of red phones and battles between then candidate Hillary Clinton and the eventual chosen one.

[Clinton campaign ad:] “It’s 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep,” says the narrator in her commercial, while ominous music surges over dark black-and-white images. An undefined world crisis is brewing, and the red phone — a relic of the hot line to Moscow during the cold war — rings.

“Your vote will decide who answers that call,” the narrator says. “Whether it’s someone who already knows the world’s leaders, knows the military — someone tested and ready to lead in a dangerous world.”

Candidate Obama’s response?

“In fact, we have had a red phone moment,” he said. “It was the decision to invade Iraq. And Senator Clinton gave the wrong answer, George Bush gave the wrong answer, John McCain gave the wrong answer,” voting to authorize force in Iraq.

The phone rang, and at least *someone* answered, Mr. Obama. Maybe one of your stellar czars and high paid advisors might want to let you know that red phone has been ringing… without an answer… for quite some time now.

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I am approaching the point where I can’t read this sort of stuff anymore. I find when I do, that I either break things, or cry. My wife gets physically sick when she starts thinking about how this CiC plays politics with the war her first born is fighting, and refuses to hear anymore about it. She hates Obama more than anyone I know.

Thankfully my son makes contact on a regular basis, and knows the right things to say (and not say) to her to make her feel OK…But he has told me that in no uncertain terms that there is no Marine in his company who has any HOPE that this president will do what his commanders on the ground are telling him needs to be done. They keep going for each other, and for their officers…That’s it, and that’s a damn shame.

God I hate the wordpress editor…The inventor should be shot, then hung, and his body fed through a shredder.

Mods,
Please delete this post and post # 1, as doing it through WP is impossible at this time. Thx.

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Thank you for your son’s service. Please let him know there are many of us that support him and his buddies. I feel for you and your wife and give thanks my nephews made it through their first tour over there ok. I pray that you can and your wife can continue to find comfort in your sons’ words and deeds.

I cannot stand weak-ass democrats during wartime. They seem to be the most hyper-political and least unwavering. Of course it is a politician’s trait, but the DNC types sure seem to wear it the most often and cause the greatest angst of military members and their loved ones. Hang in there and know a bunch of us share your views and appreciate your family’s service.

Thx Yippie.

I do know the supportive comments of the folks in the Blogosphere gives them (and their parents) a shot in the arm. When he was home last time, I showed him the file I keep of such articles and comments, and he must have spent 3 hours reading through it all…sometimes stifling a tear or two.
-He looked very rejuvenated, and printed out many of them to bring back to his fellow Dawgs.

I would forward it to him, but his time allowed online is short, and is better spent reading letters from family and his great and supportive girlfriend…He is not allowed to read blogs or Facebook/Myspace while in-country, only his “Mil-spec” e-mail.

Your comment(s) are part of the next data-dump, as well as many others I’ve found here.

I recieved a letter from the USO yesterday and was about to send in a donation to give to the troops during the holidays. While I am not able to give what I wish I could at least I know that the packages they send to the troops help the sons and daughters of good people like Patvann.

Lets hope that the Ghost of Jimmy Carter doesn’t keep PEBO from actually making a decision instead of waiting for something to happen.

@Patvann:

Can you give your son another big thank you for all he and his fellow Dawgs do from me? You did good Patvann, in raising an outstanding indivual, saving comments from folks outside of the family speaks to something special about you. I never asked for my nephew’s e-mail because I know they have limited time and have to share access, that time needs to be available to the loved ones that they need to hear from. For the rest of us letters from home and care packages are the route to go, thank goodness for flat rate boxes.

Many times I have offered to treat our soldiers to time at the farm in Missouri, I would spoil them for as long as they would want to stay. Home cooking, fishing, off roading and fun, all for free, bring the family, the offer is always open, we would be honored to treat.

Mata, this all just makes me want to cry. I don’t have confidence with the politicization that is going on within this administration as far as fighting the “necessary” part of the WOT. It is still the WOT to me. I heard a blurb this morning that Obama’s attention has been jolted a bit. I suspect Gate’s recent comments made Rahmbo’s Sunday spree look a bit stupid and reflected the immaturity and ignorance of Obama’s main players that he’s been listening to. If you want to get the CIC focused, embarrass him. How much longer for Gates?

You guys and gals bring great comfort. Thank you again.

For donations and such, please also seek out Soldiers Angels…Nobody does it better.

http://afghanlessons.blogspot.com/
Has a list of items our warriors find most useful in the “RockPile”. Most are inexpensive, easy to find, and are most appreciated. Winter is coming, and I’ve committed myself to spoiling the crap out of my Son’s platoon, ignoring my “Gone Galt” policy.

Not just socks…My boys are getting heated ones, with a case of 9v batteries. 🙂

It should not be a big surprise that there’s frustration in the military ranks. The deeper the doo-doo gets over there, the more Obama goes wee-wee.

Just learned that my husband and I lost one of our childhood friends. Sorry about Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_B._Keller

I’m sorry Missy…He is an inspiration to all who matter, and should be to all those who don’t.

Now a few nuggets of “wisdom” from Mr. Seymour Hersh, a well known delusional Journo that sees a conspiracy coming from the Warriors of Our Tribe.

http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Hersh-+Military+waging+war+with+White+House%20&id=3974209-Hersh-+Military+waging+war+with+White+House&instance=homethirdleft

“By Neil Offen

noffen@heraldsun.com; 419-6646

DURHAM — The U.S. military is not just fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, America’s most renowned investigative journalist says.

The army is also “in a war against the White House — and they feel they have [President] Obama boxed in,” Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Seymour Hersh told several hundred people in Duke University’s Page Auditorium on Tuesday night. “They think he’s weak and the wrong color. Yes, there’s racism in the Pentagon. We may not like to think that, but it’s true and we all know it.”

In a speech on Obama’s foreign policy, Hersh, who uncovered the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War and torture at Abu Ghraib prison during the Iraqi war, said many military leaders want Obama to fail.

“A lot of people in the Pentagon would like to see him get into trouble,” he said. By leaking information that the commanding officer in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, says the war would be lost without an additional 40,000 American troops, top brass have put Obama in a no-win situation, Hersh contended.

“If he gives them the extra troops they’re asking for, he loses politically,” Hersh said. “And if he doesn’t give them the troops, he also loses politically.”

The journalist criticized the president for “letting the military do that,” and suggested the only way out was for Obama to stand up to them.

“He’s either going to let the Pentagon run him or he has to run the Pentagon,” Hersh said. If he doesn’t, “this stuff is going to be the ruin of his presidency.”

Hersh called the “Af-Pak” situation — the spreading conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan — Obama’s main challenge.

The war in Afghanistan has destabilized Pakistan, which has 80 to 100 nuclear weapons, said Hersh, who recently returned from a visit to South Asia. “And the nuclear situation [in Pakistan] is more dire than you could know. It sucks.”

The only way for the U.S. to extricate itself from the conflict, Hersh said, is to negotiate with the Taliban.

“It’s the only way out,” he said. “I know that there’s a lot of discussion in the White House about this now. But Obama is going to have to take charge, and there’s no evidence he’s going to do that.”

While critical of the president on Afghanistan, Hersh, who travels to the Middle East three or four times a year, did praise his foreign policy initiatives toward Iran.

“When it comes to Iran, he’s changed the paradigm,” he said. “[President] Bush always said we’ll negotiate with those duty Iranians about their nuclear enrichment plans when they stop enriching nuclear material. Obama understands there is some room there to maneuver. That’s a huge change.”

He also praised Obama for also changing the paradigm with his decision to shelve plans for a missile defense system in Eastern Europe. Doing that, he said, would help U.S. relations with Russia.

“It’s about time we realize we have a lot in common with the Russians, like worrying about China and global terrorism,” Hersh said.

The missiles, he added, were just a continuation of the Cold War, and “it’s about time for us to capture some of the benefit we were supposed to get from ending the Cold War.”
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From My POV…Mr. Soetero was elected by 53% of American voters and sworn to an Oath pretty much the same as mine:

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” I hold that Oath Sacred.

Now, nowhere does it state that I can ignore portions of the Constitution that I don’t like. Nowhere did it ever state that it had an expiration date. It does not for me.

As I remember I had a spirited discussion on National Command Authority vs Command Responsibility with an FA poster a while back. Authority vs Responsibility. Duly elected…blah, blah, blah. Commander in Chief, blah, blah blah…

My Oath is For LIFE, Mr. Soetero’s is for maybe four years if his associations with ACORN do not blow up in his face. Voting Present is NOT an option.

I was recalled to Active Duty. When I am called I Serve. I’m just waiting for Mr. Soetero to step up and Serve America, Govern and be less than a Pretender, Apologist and Love America like I do.

I am not holding my breath but holding my nose at this point.

@MataHarley:

Sec. Gates seems to be making headway, apparently Obama is going to move up his decision to Nov. 7. Then we have to worry about the decision.

What I find absolutely rediculous is his reliance on people like Biden, Kerry and Emanuel, his stupidity is there for all to see. I know longer want to hear about this brilliant president, it just isn’t so, he doesn’t have it.

@MataHarley:

I remember many of his supporters taking his “I did not vote for the war” comment literally. He’s still putting it out there, it all goes back to having attended an anti-war rally at Daley Plaza, whoop-di-doo!

Yesterday there was a youtube posted in a comment section, I’ll try to find it—“Seven lies in under two minutes” it was 1 minute and 47 second excerpt of one of his speeches to be exact.

Thanks Mata and Pat, we were stunned, spent most of the evening going through all the online information, he has been pretty busy these past few years. He was up here a couple of months ago, getting ready to move back. He was one of seven kids, spent lots of time hunting and fishing, was kind and very humble. I was surprised by all the appearences he had done, after Vietnam we all knew about the medal but he would never talk about it. In one of the newspaper articles, some officer retired from the military establishment Len worked at, he never knew Len earned that medal until the day the officer retired.

We were surprised at his hair and beard, he was a handsome man, always dressed nicely, we are kind of wondering if he reverted to that wild stage he went through when he got us all kicked out of our local swimming hole, he, with his girlfriend got caught riding the cows nude. Memories, he will be missed!

Seven lies in under two minutes:

@MataHarley:

He was always a free spirit. After the swimming hole incident he went back to skinny dipping under the bridge which was part of State Street that ran right down the middle of our town. This year he was the Grand Marshal of the Fourth of July parade, same street. Wish I could have been there we would have had some good laughs.

Hersh isn’t being critical of the president, he’s badmouthing the Pentagon and with the Democracy Corp polling you just posted, there’s no reason to believe the Generals in the Pentagon are no different than the public’s or Republican’s racial views. The problem isn’t what color Obama is, it’s his missing spine and penchant to function politically instead of in the best interests of our troops.