Obama Frees Iranian Terrorists Responsible for Killing Hundreds of Americans in Iraq

Again we see the Big Zero’s hypocrisy at work. What kind of message does he send by not listening to the U.S. military commander on the ground in Iraq? If he has so little respect for the military and the job they do why did he ramp up “America’s arrogant militarism” in Afghanistan? All of these men and women, no matter which theater they are assigned to serve in, serve under the orders of the President of the United States. Why does he continue to release terrorists who are intent on harming our military and every American citizen they can get their hands on? Who and what cause is he really intent on serving? It doesn’t seem to be the citizens of the nation he was elected to represent or the cause of freedom.

Defending terrorist’s rights to be treated with kid gloves and soft-serve chocolate-vanilla twirl ice cream cones-Priority 1.

Defending American lives against terrorist slime-Priority 1,953,294, behind quitting smoking and getting roots retouched.

Obambi is not hard to figure out. Whatever is in America’s best interests, he’ll be doing the opposite.

Actually they’re being turned over to the Iraqi government at al Maliki’s request. The Iraqis would be the ones who release them.

Dealing with the nature of Iran’s involvement in Iraq is an Iraqi problem now.

Gee, I’m shocked at you Fit…not at all. Defending obama’s actions without a word of condemnation for the release of those who murdered out troops.
Thanks for yet again proving that you have zero credibility or intelligence and that you would defend hitler if he a had a D next to his name.

It is our business when the murder of American soldiers is involved, dumbass.

@Mike

Out of interest…

* Is there evidence that these ‘diplomats’ were indeed members of IRGC and is there evidence which implicates them personally in coordinating terrorist attacks?

* If there is such evidence then should these go court rather than be locked up indefinately?

* If Iran is funding such terrorist attacks (which I don’t doubt) then why hasn’t the US (either under Bush nor Obama) declared war on Iran?

Problem is – if there is no declared war, then these are not prisoners of war and if there is hard evidence then why not try them in court? In the same way that Iran captures people from the UK navy a while back – they can accuse them of spying and lock them up with no trial. There needs to be some international rules on this.

Kind of sensationalistic but the math is correct. Read Mark Styn’s book America Alone for more

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@Mike

I don’t think US or it’s allies should be in Iraq in the first place. So this wouldn’t arise. I always felt that Iran was always the bigger danger than Iraq – and that Bush was one letter out. Even you know that these issues are tricky and it’s either you support Governments action 100% or else you are with the terrorists is too simplistic.

I just think there should be due process. I’m all for capturing terrorists. But not labeling people terrorists, throwing them in jail without charge or evidence for years on end. America and the UK is better than that.

@3Dogman

As a foreigner & out of interest- what part of the Constitution allows you to have new elections? Aren’t you supposed to wait?

Our troops died during their efforts to establish a sovereign democracy in Iraq. That democratically elected govenment has the right to decide is best for it’s national security interests. If it helps further the establishment of Iraqi sovereignty, we must hold our emotions in check for the sake of the cause those men and women died for.

Wasn’t this release mandated by the Status of Forces Agreement that was signed by Bush last December ?

@John Ryan

Apparently so.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/iraq/SE_SOFA.pdf

@Mike

* How long do you detain someone without trial? Eventually isn’t a date.
* I’m not apologist for mass murderers. If they have done such acts – then put ‘em on trial.
* I’m not doubting that Iran is involved in Iraq.
* I don’t know either way whether these particualar individuals are terrorists or diplomats. But as I say if they have broken any law – then try them.
* The terrorists aren’t talking to me.

Gaff, justice would be taking these 5 a**holes out and shooting them. What, do you think they were there sight seeing? Also, we don’t need to be at war with Iran to hold them when they committed crimes against our soldiers.

Lastly, your little tactic is disgusting. The proof that they directed attacks is held by our intelligence forces and not subject to release to the general populace. You know this. So your demand for the presentation of such evidence shows what a scumbag you are.

@Hard Right
Also called mob justice. So if Iran, China, Russia or any other country arrests American ‘accused’ of spying or involved in terrorist activities and then throw them in jail or shoot them – that would be fine & dandy with you? I guess you are so bereft of morality and decency that you have to lower yourself to name-calling like a kid in a playground rather than keep to a debate.

@Mike
I take that as no then.

@Mike

Can’t see your post regarding the evidence to these men.

Claiming I am somehow on the side is a cheap shot I would thought even you would be above. I am not even advocating the release of these men.

Check out the below…
http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/07/rightwing-dishonesty-and-the-irbil-five.html

@Hard Right

Nice straw man, but it doesn’t fly here. Two very different situations. So take your morality and stick it

Of course it’s different – depending whether the accused is American or not. As for straw man – I said spying or involved in terrorist activities. I extended it to spying because the accusation could be anything BUT I still included terrorist activities. In the end it could still end up with a person detained indefinately where they are either guilty or not BUT no trial has taken place.

They weren’t vacationing or merely spying in Iraq and YOU KNOW IT.

I didn’t claim they were vacationing or spying did I. Apparently they

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, the detained Iranians had been working in Arbil with official sanction,

and…

Under Iraqi law, detainees identified as insurgents should be charged in civilian courts. They may be held up to 14 days before being brought before a magistrate. These requirements appear to be systematically ignored in practice.[16] In this incident, the Iraqi government denies that the detainees were helping insurgents.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irbil_Five#cite_note-19

Our people on the ground in Iraq have the goods on them, but can’t release the info for security reasons. Again, YOU KNOW THAT.

Truth is I don’t know that & you don’t know that. You are just assuming that because you want it to be true.

Yet you’d rather play your little game where you pat yourself on your back about how moral and superior you are to those of us who think they deserve to be in jail at a minimum.

I don’t think I’m more moral nor more superior than those on here. I can see why you would want them in jail because it’s outrageous and frustrating that Iran has seemingly got involved. Yet Iran and US aren’t openly at war and with apparent lack of evidence – at least in the public domain – we can’t assume these five particular men are guilty. If the US had evidence then why not charge them? And if the US wants Iraq to be a sovereign country then it’s should be Iraq who decides what should be done – not Bush or Obama.

I am tired of brainwashed, narcisisstic, liberals like you making it a point to help our enemies while trying to destroy this country.

Again attacking me rather than sticking with the debate. Yes I’m making a valid political point on a political forum. Look at the lesson of McCarthy to see how the US gets damaged when it takes shortcuts when dealing with justice.

Allow me to educate those of you who are not familiar with why liberals (leftists) think the way they do. There are two traits that all liberals have.

1) A pathological inability to face reality
2) Narcisissm

I’ll use Gaffe UK as an example.

The reality is that the five iranians captured are responsible for the murders of American soldiers. Obama letting them go is a horrible act of stupidity. Gaffe UK insists on defending his action because he is a fellow leftist and it would make him look bad by association. Plus he’s an obot.

He doesn’t want to admit what a monster mistake the obomination made (denial). So he goes further into denial and claims that we have no proof they masterminded the murders of our soldiers. After all, it would make him look bad to defend them while admitting they are murderers. Next we see narcisissm.
He claims that it is unjust to hold them without trial. He then gets to claim that he is on the side of morality and justice, which makes him a better person than those of us who want them held. See how that works?

@Mike

And I don’t think you have made the following clear…

Irbil is hundreds of miles away from Karbala AND the attack in Karbala happened 9 days AFTER the Irbil Five were captured.

@Mike

You asked for evidence of the involvement of these “diplomats” in terrorism and killing of Americans.

What evidence?

1) How does an EFP attack on January 14th 2007 in Baghdad prove that Mohsen Bagheri, Mahmoud Farhadi, Majid Ghaemi, Majid Dagheri and Abbas Jam have engaged in or masterminded terrorist attacks? (The EFP attack happened 3 days after these men were detained)

2) How does TNT found by Iraqi guards prove that Mohsen Bagheri, Mahmoud Farhadi, Majid Ghaemi, Majid Dagheri and Abbas Jam have engaged in or masterminded terrorist attacks?

3) How does Iranian produced portable air defense system found in Baghdad prove that Mohsen Bagheri, Mahmoud Farhadi, Majid Ghaemi, Majid Dagheri and Abbas Jam have engaged in or masterminded terrorist attacks?

4) How does Iranian produced anti-tank propelled grenades recovered in Baghdad prove that Mohsen Bagheri, Mahmoud Farhadi, Majid Ghaemi, Majid Dagheri and Abbas Jam have engaged in or masterminded terrorist attacks?

5) How does intelligence provided by Iraqi and Iranian detainees that Qods forces are helping insurgents with money and arms prove that Mohsen Bagheri, Mahmoud Farhadi, Majid Ghaemi, Majid Dagheri and Abbas Jam have engaged in or masterminded terrorist attacks?

6) And how does not having passports or having ID that match their names prove that Mohsen Bagheri, Mahmoud Farhadi, Majid Ghaemi, Majid Dagheri and Abbas Jam have engaged in or masterminded terrorist attacks?

You think that (mainly random) evidence would stand up in a court of law?

All you have done has proven a connection that Iran is involved in Iraq by providing weapons etc. I have not once disputed this. However you have failed to produce any evidence which links these particularly Iranians to be involved in terrorist attacks.

During the 70s the UK arrested suspected IRA members and often would hold them for lengthy periods of time without trial. That was wrong and as far as I can see – detaining 5 Iranians for being essentially being Iranian – for 2.5 years without trial is also misguided. It appears you wish for them to be held indefinitely. As much as I would love to see any terrorist rot behind bars be they Irish or Iranian terrorism – you got to have evidence.

On another thread you talk about learning from history. Well I suggest you learn you learn that internment has the opposite effect – it inflames situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Demetrius