White House defends Obama’s silence in pirate ordeal: Puppy Over Pirates?

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The White House said Monday that President Obama’s loud silence during last week’s standoff with Somali pirates who hijacked a U.S. cargo ship and held the captain hostage was necessary in such a tense situation.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the president, who came under fire over the weekend for staying mum on the drama, did not want to make the situation “even potentially more dangerous by putting the president out there for the captives to see.”

C’mon, the pirates were 150′ away from one of the most sophisticated naval ships ever built, and we’re supposed to believe they had an uninterruptable live- video link to CNN…one that couldn’t be jammed by a BILLION dollar warship literally a stone’s throw away?

The reality is that Obama
1) was clueless
2) was indecisive
3) was too busy picking out a puppy (decisions are tough things)

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http://www.marklevinshow.com/ (listen to a few minutes of April 13th; very informative).

I suspect that obama is worse than Clinton in the sense that Bill was always looking to the polls to see how “the people” felt; while O wants to see how a situation actually plays out – then he can take credit or lay blame as the results may dictate.

“the president………did not want to make the situation “even potentially more dangerous by putting the president out there for the captives to see.”

The president didn’t want to put the president out there? Clumsy, clumsy excuse, who’s really calling the shots, Axelrod? Rahmbo? Kind of shows us that the White House was more concerned about “the president” than Captain Phillips.

Obama had an opportunity after that first press question to simply state that he was monitoring the situation and that’s all he could say. But, he dodged it with the housing remark because he’s dependant on TOTUS who failed to tell him he should appear to be concerned. In the mean time his political hacks were figuring what the spin was going to be.

So Scott,

You claim Obama was clueless which you failed to prove..
Also that it he was indecisive which you failed to prove.
Also that he was busy picking out a puppy which if you had read any accounts of how they got the puppy you know that’s BS too..

Do you have any proof of anything??

It sure doesn’t look like it.

@Real American Patriot:

Let me make sure I understand this……

Sky55110/CRAP the purveyor of false and unsupportable positions is asking someone else for proof of their arguments?

Now, that right there folks is funny!

Heh.

RAP, where was the clue/decisive action taken on part of President Obama? Was he on the phone monitoring the situation like Jimmy Carter did? Did he give specific instructions or just vote PRESENT and go w the default? The fact is he did nothing. If he knew what to do, I’m sure he’d have ordered it, but he gave no orders, and let the default ROE stand; ie he left a capital decision of massive regional importance up to 4 US Navy SEALs to decide. His input was nada. This is a man who-as you pointed out-couldn’t even decide on a what dog to get after promising his daughters for TWO and a half YEARS!

He used GUNS to solve a problem! AAAAAAAAA How un Left -wing Democratic of him!

The question is If HE can why can’t WE?????

Funny, some people can never be satisfied. If he came out and made lots of noise at the beginning, the same people complaining now would be complaining that he was putting in danger the captain. The situation played out as best as it could (well, perfection would be if all 4 pirates were fish food) and the President made the right decisions and our military performed flawlessly.

You could say that:

The reality is that Obama
1) was clueless
2) was indecisive
3) was too busy picking out a puppy (decisions are tough things)

However in my opinion it would be better to peer over what might be the biased of ones political views and ask oneself what the end result was. What happened in the end was that all the hostages are now safe and free, and 3 of the enemy captors are now dead. So despite what Obama did or did not say, it is due to this end result that I would argue that the White House did a good job on this one. Feel free to disagree.

Blast, obama is being held to the same standard you held W to.
Deal with it.

Woof, Scott. You do put me in the awkward position of defending Obama in this.

First off, INRE his silence. I think that’s extremely wise. This was a stealth operation and Obama, facing pushy reporters and running off at the mouth in front of cameras, could deter an operation that needed it’s details kept secret. While there was no live broadcast feed to the lifeboat, they were in constant touch with their landlubber relatives and comrades who did, indeed, have access to that live feed. That is a non-issue.

I feel very strongly about both the media and elected officials… CIC or not… discussing military operations in press conferences. The element of surprise is gone when a few words slip out here and there. And even Gibbs said (a few paragraphs after your pulled excerpted quotes above):

“We did not want to have the president’s image unduly or his words make what happened on Sunday harder to accomplish,” Gibbs said.

We *are* talking about a guy who focuses unduly on his own image, and close to dysfunctional without TOTUS. Good move to keep him out of the limelight and avoid potential errors while fielding questions.

Secondly, I’m not sure about the timing on this. I know the Seal team parachuted into the ocean and boarded the Bainbridge within the day before the snipers took out the remaining three left on the lifeboat. Is part of the official silence a way to buy time in the negotiation period to pull in additional special teams? The four plus Capt. Phillips were set adrift last Wednesday, I believe. Seal teams parachuted in late Saturday night. Could this timeline have been speeded up? Dunno.

All that said, I partially agree that Obama is not the hero here, but our US military acting under standard ROEs. I also point out to you that Obama could have ordered our military to stand down … but he didn’t. Unlike Carter, he did not attempt to micromanage the situation. So I give Obama high marks for not interfering with the normal course of action, and allowing our military to perform.

Something for all to consider here… you are being short sighted. I’ve tried to explain that this single event has elevated the Somali piracy issue to a new level, and this is only the beginning. Many more bad guys are going to jump on the pirates’ bandwagon and support their “cause” openly…. it has already begun.

Obama may enjoy basking in honors and glory from the O’faithful that he earned by stepping aside, and letting the US military do their job. But he is also going to absorb the blame for the escalation that is now inevitable. If you poo pooh the praise and credit they bestow the CIC today, then you will need to restrain yourself when the praise changes to accusations that Obama has created another possible war front.

Hard Right: Blast, obama is being held to the same standard you held W to.

I fail to see the comparison to this act and my criticism of Pres Bush about the Iraq war. The standard to have some snipers shoot pirates vs. the planning for an invasion etc, well, they are completely different.

I agree with what Mata said above. Obama could have not done anything, yet he gave authorization for deadly force to be used. It changes things… but Scott, I don’t buy the retaliation or they “hijacked 3 more” since routine. They are hijacking ships because they can… and the rate in which the attacks have been taking place, it does not seem out of the ordinary at this point.

There have been 13 documented attacks during this month alone, and 6 before the Mersk Alabama was attacked. Now Obama is somehow to blame for 3 more hijackings since he spoke… nuts.

Yes blast, you fail to see. That is the problem.

Mata, I do give TOTUS credit for letting the Navy do it’s job.
The MSM fawning as if he fired the shots himself is sickening tho,
especially in light of how they still refuse to give Bush credit for
making the right calls in Iraq.

Almost, but not quite, blast. Obama did not “give authorization for deadly force to be used.” That authorization was always in place. What Obama *did* do was not countermand standard ROE and ask the military to stand down off authorized force. He gave them the blessings to follow procedure.

And yup, Hard Right… always hard to absorb the absurd gush over Obama. And most especially when it’s built up to heights of deity. But as I said…. let them lavish him with undue credit. Because as the situation elevates, American and French hostages are shot on the spot, and jihad movements rush to the side of the pirates, and the US military starts rooting out the nests on Somali land (even with the blessings of the UNSC), those that praise Obama today will be whining and stamping their feet.

I put this in the category of the foreign policy decisions Obama has made that I agree with. A checkmark in the “good” column.

Almost, but not quite, blast. Obama did not “give authorization for deadly force to be used.” That authorization was always in place. What Obama *did* do was not countermand standard ROE and ask the military to stand down off authorized force. He gave them the blessings to follow procedure.

What was the ROE prior to President Obama not having to authorize use of force? Many of the accounts have indicated the President twice authorized force.

blast, you have a two part question there.

First, INRE ROE. I only know what I’ve read in several places, i.e. Blackfive.

Gortney’s statement was clear: “our authorities came directly from the president.” Just to clarify, he added in response to a later question: “[T]hat was a standing authority from the president. He wasn’t on the phone with the skipper of the Bainbridge saying, oh, yeah, go ahead and at that time shot.”

This does not affect my point that the commander on scene already had the authority to deal with an imminent death situation in his standing rules of engagement. It means that when this situation was escalated to national command authority i.e. Obama those rules were suspended and Obama implemented new ones specific to this incident. Then he had to restore the authority the captain already had to use deadly force to save a hostage from execution. There is considerable talk that the initial new ROE that Obama instituted did not allow a rescue so as to allow the negotiations to proceed, and then a second set of ROE was instituted after the Navy could not respond to Captain Phillip’s escape attempt. That is unconfirmed but fits the facts as they happened.

More on the twice authorized force comes from Donald Sensing at his shared blog, Sense of Events. The URL for Sensing’s name is his very impressive bio.

In his briefing via telephone to Pentagon reporters Sunday, Vice Adm. William Gortney, speaking from Bahrain, openly acknowledged that SEALs played a key role, but he was rather unforthcoming as to just what that role was. He seemed comfortable letting the reporters assume that it was SEALs aboard USS Bainbridge, only 25 meters from the lifeboat, who shot the pirates after Bainbridge’s commander determined Phillips’ life was in imminent danger.

But the SEALs might not have been aboard Bainbridge at all. Judith Miller reports on FoxNews site,

Details continue to emerge. But it seems that hours before his rescue, a C-130 had secretly dropped a team of SEALS and their boats into the waters far enough away from the lifeboat that held Capt. Phillips to avoid being detected by the four Somali pirates who were seeking some $2 million for his release. The team quietly approached the boat and boarded the board [sic] as sharpshooters from the Bainbridge took deadly aim.
If true, the SEALs’ boats herein referenced could not have been surface craft. Obviously, a surface craft approaching the lifeboat would have been seen from some distance away, especially during the daytime hours of the rescue.

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Again, the provenance of Miller’s report has not been confirmed. But it makes me wonder whether a SEAL rescue operation was already mostly underway when Bainbridge’s captain, Cmdr. Frank Castellano, gave the split-second order to shoot.

It would also explain why Vice Adm. Gortney says the Navy received permission twice from President Obama to use deadly force to save Capt. Phillips’ life, the first time Friday, the second time Saturday. Friday may have been explicit permission to shoot if necessary, as Cmdr. Castellano finally did. Saturday’s order might have authorized or even ordered direct action to rescue Phillips and would necessarily included using deadly force. (However, as I pointed out earlier today, the president would not actually have need to authorize shooting the pirates to save his life, since that’s pretty much standard procedure in any hostage situaton.)

What Sensing had pointed out in his earlier post was:

At no time did the US negotiate with the pirates in terms of paying ransom. Discussions were limited to measures to obtain the safe release of Capt. Phillips without rewarding the pirates.

Bainbridge’s commanding officer, Cmdr. Frank Castellano, had standing authority to use force to end an imminent risk to Capt. Phillips’ life. Vice Adm. Gortney said that President Obama had specifically authorized such action if it proved necessary. [Such contingency is routine in any kind of hostage situation, civil or military – DS.]

This should address both your questions, yes?

UPDATE from Gates on two authorizations, and why…

Gates, interviewed after a morning visit with students at the Marine Corps University in Quantico, Va., confirmed that the Pentagon sought two authorizations from the White House for the use of deadly force in resolving the crisis but said each request was for a separate military unit.

“One was in the [area of operations], and another came from the U.S.,” Gates said. “And so the reason that there were two requests was because there were two groups of people.” Gates wouldn’t confirm that he was referring to Navy SEALs, but Vice Adm. William Gortney, commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, told reporters during a Sunday press conference that SEALs “were involved in the rescue attempt.”

Gates wanted to clear that up since he didn’t want the media portraying they had to ask twice for authorization because of inaction or indecision.

As far as why to ask for authority that is already possessed, they determined that this was an unusual situation that could cause retalitory action… so everyone was keen to have the chain of command’s blessings.

A defense official who asked not to be named said he wasn’t aware of a specific requirement for such permissions but noted, “This was an unusual situation. There was a very keen desire that the entire leadership chain was consulted on this.”

Said Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman: “It was determined by the department that authorizations should be sought for this operation.”

Gates, who Whitman said was “very much engaged throughout the weekend on a nearly hourly basis” on the crisis, said Monday that he acknowledges, as did Gortney, that the U.S. rescue could spark some sort of retaliatory action.

“I think you always take that risk when you take an action like this,” Gates said during the interview. The greater question, he said, is, “Is there a way to deal with this in a systemic way that reduces the risk and brings the international community together in a productive way to deal with the problem, whether it’s trying to help stabilize Somalia, or some other approach?”

@blast,

I’m not getting the point of your statement ” the rate in which the attacks have been taking place, it does not seem out of the ordinary at this point.”

The “ordinary” should not be acceptable to anyone (except, perhaps, the pirates.) These Somalian pirates have been hijacking ships for the past 17 or so years (since they lost their central government.) Diplomacy (nearly two decades’ worth) has failed, and (right or wrong) the world looks to the U.S. for leadership; but how can Obama really understand the problem since he didn’t avail himself of the conferences over the issue when he was a Senator?

Jeff Verive

The spam filter ate my posting – I hope it gets indigestion!

As a side note: the fuss over the dog is ridiculous. The last two administrations bought new dogs, but there wasn’t nearly this much attention from the media or the public. Just for kicks, I did a search on the terms “Clinton’s new dog”, “Bush’s new dog”, and ” “Obama’s new dog”. The numbers were astounding (I used AltaVisa; Google or other search engine should give similar results):

Bush: 16 hits
Clinton: 400 hits
Obama: 57,000 hits

We’re obsessed with our cult of personality!

Jeff V