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Thanks Mike, love the photos. General Odierno sure is a giant in many ways, got a lot of respect for that man. The President is obviously enjoying his time with the troops, looks mutual.

I feel bad over what the obomination will do to our troops. I’ve talked to soldiers who served under the Carter and Clinton admins.
Those soldiers know Bush cares about them.

The troops will definitely miss Bush. He has is always greeted as a rock star when he goes and meets with the troops. I doubt Obama will get the same welcome.

I hear President Bush was a killing machine in the jungles of ‘Nam, so President Bush knows the horrors of war.

Oh that’s right, his daddy Bush Sr. made sure Junior never saw a day of combat in Vietnam while thousands served and died on the battlefield.

Wow, what a “War Hero”… those photo ops, I’m surprisd President Bush didn’t break out his “Mission Accomplished” flight suit, the one with the large codpiece.

Bush never saw a day of combat while thousands served and died.

David, @David:

I see nothing in this topic about former President Bush or the jungles of Vietnam. You want to spread lies, start your own blog and quit hijacking threads here.

Whatever you are, he/she/it, you will never measure up to President Bush, ever.

@David: I guess you should ask the troops what they think about him. Who the hell cares what he did in Nam, he was a pilot in the Air National Guard, in a plane called the “Widow Maker”. And the plane was phased out during the war and he was not trained to fly another plane. At least it was better than Clinton smoking pot in GB and flipping the bird to all those that served in the Military because he loathed them.

What a farce, President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld sent our brave men and women into harms way without enough body armor and unarmored Humvees.

Anyone here remember that fact?

“Bush never saw a day of combat while thousands served and died.” (David)

And Obama was never in the Army. How about that for a President?

@David: You obviously have no clue do you. there was no armored Humvees until after the war started and they were making them as fast as they could. And most soldiers did not like the armored humvees, they had a tendency to tip over very easily. Man where do you get this crap from????

David, better to let people think you’re a fool, than to open your cock-holster and remove all doubt.

I’d be willing to bet that you’ve also never served in the military. Get back to me on that one…

Anyone remember how our “War Hero” President put a political hack (typical Bush appointee) in charge of the Walter Reed Army Medical Center?

Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Building 18

WRAMC’s Building 18 is described in the article as rat- and cockroach-infested, with stained carpets, cheap mattresses, and black mold, with no heat and water reported by some soldiers at the facility. The unmonitored entrance created security problems, including reports of drug dealers in front of the facility. Injured soldiers stated they are forced to “pull guard duty” to obtain a level of security. In an attempt to alleviate the toll that Building 18’s condition is taking on the wounded soldiers, a staff team headed by a clinical social worker at WRAMC obtained a grant of $30,000 from the Commander’s Initiative Account for improvements; however, “a Psychiatry Department functionary held up the rest of the money because she feared that buying a lot of recreational equipment close to Christmas would trigger an audit.” By January the funds were no longer available.

The only farce is the one that makes an occasional appearance in here, it calls itself David.

Hey david the moron, you know why our troops didn’t have what they needed? Because BJ Clinton gutted the military to fund his social programs. Now take your BDS and shove it up your butt.

Funny how the libs came here after Obama won and told us it was time for us to put our bitterness over the election behind us yet they still hate Bush with every fiber of their being.

David: You’ve been poisoned by hate and the lies that you willfully accepted to suit your prejudices.

My advice to you is to seek professional help. Clearly your anger is being directed at Bush in an effort to avoid dealing with complex personal issues.

It does you no good to spend the rest of your miserable worthless pathetic life hating Bush when what you really need to do is learn to love yourself.

If that’s possible.

@David:
StFU

President Bush is known for his obsessive love of punctuality and routine. From Dead Certain, by Robert Draper, Pg 106:

The president often described this fidelity to schedule as a courtesy bestowed on others. “Whether it’s John McCain or an average citizen, they shouldn’t be kept waiting,” he would say.

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Bush moved through his schedule with type A vengeance. He was restless and he hungered to compete. For a man thought to be leisurely, he seemed forever to be racing the clock. He did not eat a meal so much as disappear it. Eighteen holes of golf- why not make it a contest of speed as well as skill? George W. Bush always did. It seemed a point of pride to him that he could arrive at a finish line- any finish line- faster than the next guy. And if there was no other guy, only him…well, get it over with regardless.

One time, Colin Powell was running late to a Cabinet meeting. “Lock the door”, President Bush said. When a few minutes passed until finally there was a scuffling of the doorknob causing the Cabinet Room to erupt in laughter, President Bush signaled to allow the Secretary of State into the room. The President made his point.

It is framed against the backdrop of this story and understanding of how important “staying the schedule” and punctuality is to this President, that I bring you the following story on why President Bush allowed himself to depart 15 minutes behind schedule on his way to the Beijing Olympics…

The Value of Service

Commentary by Lt. Col. Mark Murphy
354th Maintenance Group deputy commander

8/15/2008 – EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska — I learned a big lesson on service Aug. 4, 2008, when Eielson had the rare honor of hosting President Bush on a refueling stop as he traveled to Asia.

It was an event Eielson will never forget — a hangar full of Airmen and Soldiers getting to see the Commander in Chief up close, and perhaps even shaking his hand. An incredible amount of effort goes into presidential travel because of all of the logistics, security, protocol, etc … so it was remarkable to see Air Force One land at Eielson on time at precisely 4:30 p.m.–however, when he left less than two hours later, the President was 15 minutes behind schedule.

That’s a big slip for something so tightly choreographed, but very few people know why it happened. Here’s why.

On Dec. 10, 2006, our son, Shawn, was a paratrooper deployed on the outskirts of Baghdad. He was supposed to spend the night in camp, but when a fellow soldier became ill Shawn volunteered to take his place on a nighttime patrol–in the convoy’s most exposed position as turret gunner in the lead Humvee. He was killed instantly with two other soldiers when an IED ripped through their vehicle.

I was thinking about that as my family and I sat in the audience listening to the President’s speech, looking at the turret on the up-armored Humvee the explosive ordnance disposal flight had put at the edge of the stage as a static display.

When the speech was over and the President was working the crowd line, I felt a tap on my shoulder and turned to see a White House staff member. She asked me and my wife to come with her, because the President wanted to meet us.

Stunned, we grabbed our two sons that were with us and followed her back into a conference room. It was a shock to go from a crowded, noisy hangar, past all of those security people, to find ourselves suddenly alone in a quiet room.

The only thing we could hear was a cell phone vibrating, and noticed that it was coming from the jacket Senator Stevens left on a chair. We didn’t answer.

A short time later, the Secret Service opened the door and President Bush walked in. I thought we might get to shake his hand as he went through. But instead, he walked up to my wife with his arms wide, pulled her in for a hug and a kiss, and said, “I wish I could heal the hole in your heart.” He then grabbed me for a hug, as well as each of our sons. Then he turned and said, “Everybody out.”

A few seconds later, the four of us were completely alone behind closed doors with the President of the United States and not a Secret Service agent in sight.

He said, “Come on, let’s sit down and talk.” He pulled up a chair at the side of the room, and we sat down next to him. He looked a little tired from his trip, and he noticed that his shoes were scuffed up from leaning over concrete barriers to shake hands and pose for photos. He slumped down the chair, completely relaxed, smiled, and suddenly was no longer the President – he was just a guy with a job, sitting around talking with us like a family member at a barbeque.

For the next 15 or 20 minutes, he talked with us about our son, Iraq, his family, faith, convictions, and shared his feelings about nearing the end of his presidency. He asked each of our teenaged sons what they wanted to do in life and counseled them to set goals, stick to their convictions, and not worry about being the “cool” guy.

He said that he’d taken a lot of heat during his tenure and was under a lot of pressure to do what’s politically expedient, but was proud to say that he never sold his soul. Sometimes he laughed, and at others he teared up. He said that what he’ll miss most after leaving office will be his role as Commander in Chief.

One of the somber moments was when he thanked us for the opportunity to meet, because he feels a heavy responsibility knowing that our son died because of a decision he made. He was incredibly humble, full of warmth, and completely without pretense. We were seeing the man his family sees.

We couldn’t believe how long he was talking to us, but he seemed to be in no hurry whatsoever. In the end, he thanked us again for the visit and for the opportunity to get off his feet for a few minutes. He then said, “Let’s get some pictures.” The doors flew open, Secret Service and the White House photographer came in, and suddenly he was the President again. We posed for individual pictures as he gave each of us one of his coins, and then he posed for family pictures. A few more thank yous, a few more hugs, and he was gone.

The remarkable thing about the whole event was that he didn’t have to see us at all. If he wanted to do more, he could’ve just given a quick handshake and said, “Thanks for your sacrifice.” But he didn’t – he put everything and everyone in his life on hold to meet privately with the family of a Private First Class who gave his life in the service of his country.

What an incredible lesson on service. If the President of the United States is willing to drop everything on his plate to visit with a family, surely the rest of us can do it. No one is above serving another person, and no one is so lofty that he or she can’t treat others with dignity and respect.

We often think of service in terms of sacrificing ourselves for someone in a position above us, but how often do we remember that serving someone below us can be much more important? If you’re in a leadership capacity, take a good look at how you’re treating your people, and remember that your role involves serving the people you rely on every day.

@David:

*yawn*

90% of young Americans of the time, never served in Vietnam. If one wanted guaranteed avoidance of serving in combat, joining the Air National Guard as a fighter pilot would hardly be a smart move. W. Bush joined the Guard for a 6-year term. If you are drafted, you only had to serve 2 years. Pilots from the unit that he joined were being sent to Vietnam.

Letter by Col. William Campenni Ret. published in the Washington Times:

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and I) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren’t getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys. The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush’s tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one’s life.

From aerospaceweb:

we have established that the F-102 was serving in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush enlisted to become an F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a program called ”Palace Alert” from 1968 to 1970. Palace Alert was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots from the ANG to bases in Europe or southeast Asia for periods of three to six months for frontline duty.

Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush’s who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush inquired about participating in the Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a superior, MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at the time, told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was winding down and not accepting new applicants.

As he was completing training and being certified as a qualified F-102 pilot, Bush’s squadron was a likely candidate to be rotated to Vietnam. However, the F-102 was built for a type of air combat that wasn’t seen during that conflict, and the plane was withdrawn from southeast Asia in December 1969. The F-102 was instead returned to its primary role of providing air defense for the United States. In addition, the mission of Ellington AFB, where Bush was stationed, was also changing from air defense alert to training all F-102 pilots in the US for Air National Guard duty. Lt. Bush remained in the ANG as a certified F-102 pilot who participated in frequent drills and alerts through April of 1972. … By this time, the 147th Fighter Wing was also beginning to transition from the F-102 to the F-101F, an updated version of the F-101B used primarily for air defense patrols. Furthermore, the war in Vietnam was nearing its end and the US was withdrawing its forces from the theater. Air Force personnel returning to the US created a glut of active-duty pilots, and there were not enough aircraft available to accommodate all of the qualified USAF and ANG pilots. Since USAF personnel had priority for the billets available, many of the Air National Guard pilots whose enlistments were nearly complete requested early release. The ANG was eager to fulfill these requests because there was not enough time to retrain F-102 pilots to operate new aircraft before their enlistments were up anyway. Bush was one of those forced out by the transition, and he was honorably discharged as a first lieutenant in October 1973, eight months before his six-year enlistment was complete. Bush had approximately 600 flight hours by the time he completed his military service.

~~~

While Bush did not see combat in Vietnam, it is also obvious that he was not seeking a way to avoid the risk of being sent to Vietnam. At the time he was training to be an F102 pilot, ANG units and that aircraft type were based in Vietnam.

Wordsmith: That post will make a fine contribution to our Bush appreciation week in January.

Excellent post, Word.

David said:

What a farce, President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld sent our brave men and women into harms way without enough body armor and unarmored Humvees.

Anyone here remember that fact?

Why as a matter of fact I do, David. Just like in WWII, and other wars, our military wasn’t fully equipped for the type of warfare they encountered. In WWII, they were often training with broom handles instead of rifles, as there weren’t enough to go around. Anyone remember that “farce” from the Dem/Obama hero, President Roosevelt…? The man who had a war plan in place prior to Pearl Harbor, but for the Euro front against Hitler and not the Pacific against Japan?

But speaking to the body armor and unarmored Humvees (and the fact they didn’t know those not on the front line would be encountering IEDs…), I remember very well that appropriations bill… most famous for the John F. Kerry statement “I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it”

This was $300 bil to support the Iraq operations (plus other stuff), and provide the better grade armour to those not in the front lines (the frontline troops had state of the art at the onset).

Naturally, no equipment can be ordered until Congress doles out the cash. Congress, however, didn’t address the needed appropriations until after their summer vacation, not voting until October, and getting signed into law on Nov 6th.

Then, of course, it’s not like the additional up armoring was ready to go, waiting at the docks. It took another six months after that before substantial equipment was built and being shipped overseas.. almost a year and a half after we went in.

Why? Because Congress sat on their duff and didn’t rectify providing the back end troops their equipment because they were disgruntled sons of bitches. But *you*, David, thinks that the military should be have been ready to go, and fully equipped… omnipotent to the style of warfare they would be encountering.

Well gosh darn… wouldn’t that mean Clinton and Congress shouldn’t have been slashing the military and intel budgets in the 90s, and we’d have been better equipped… plus had better intel? But of course, to you, it’s Bush’s fault.

Careful… your next door neighbor farted. Must be that darn Bush’s fault again… da Bush Beans, of course.

Damn history challenged bozos are really getting on my nerves of late. Apologize for the terse temperment to the rest of you.

BTW, David… another of your deficient information points… the Mission Accomplished banner. It was requested by the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln as their deployment – 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history – had ended.

The White House complied, and had it made for them… they put it up. Their mission was accomplished.

Or perhaps you’d have the sailors busy making the banner themselves to appease their own request?

Idiots… we are surrounded by sound byte educated idiots.

Mata, I’d bet money that even if those idiot leftists read your post, it won’t change their thinking at all. That’s why I stopped trying to educate them and decided to give them a dose of their own venom. They certainly don’t like it.

David,please give us the following info: When you served and what unit you served with.

Otherwise, you’re a so-called “chickenhawk” and you need to SYFM.

Waiting…

I agree. Notice that David didn’t come back to defend his fly-bys. Merely to throw out new ones to detract from Bush honoring our troops by visiting them. And BTW to also address them, not just merely as a photo op like the last time Obama was in theater visiting.

Where’s your counter-post with Obama’s message to the troops from his visit, hmm? I’ve seen the one Wordsmith posted on another thread from this visit:

Bush Makes Surprise Visit to Iraq

Oh that’s right, he ducked out on the hospital visit to play the “Rock Star” in Germany didn’t he? No such speech (tsk-tsk).

“Quid Pro Quo Clarisse (I mean David), Quid Pro Quo…”

I for one am quite happy to have had Dubya’s autograph on my discharge certificate rather than Clinton’s, Kerry’s, or Gore’s.

Hmm sounds sorta’ like the cliche’ from Wizard of Oz don’t it?

“Clintons & Kerrys & Gores. Oh my! Clintons & Kerrys & Gores. Oh my! Clintons & Kerrys & Gores, Oh my! ARRGH!!”

Suddenly Obama supporters leap from the foliage and growl menacingly.

Sorry lost my mind for a bit there… Must have been the lingering Kool-aid vapors.

David (the coward) didn’t come back. Shocker…

David;

As for WRAMC; Congress sets up the funding for military spending and housekeeping, not the sitting President. And the sad shape of quality of life with military facilities is a direct result of budget cuts; unfunded mandates for military spending in Congressional districts through pork-barrel politics for things the military neither wants, nor needs.; mandatory draw-downs, base closures, and cross-training, etceteras.

Even if a base is closed, spending does not stop there. It cannot be turned immediately over to the private sector for development, they must be manned with skeleton crews, costly EPA requirements must be met to clean up the property to render the land to a near “pristine” ecological state. With some bases, particularly with former airfields, this is impossible to do. Much of the soil is contaminated by fuel and oil from decades of use. EPA requirements prevent such airfields from being turned over to become local airports. Flight-lines and runways would have to be torn up to get to the soil underneath and all must be packaged and sent off to hazardous waste sites. Replacement soil would then have to be purchased and spread.

Because of those costs, many bases will never be turned over to the private sector. Which means they must be partially manned into perpetuity. At least with our bases overseas, we don’t have to go through the EPA nightmare we do stateside because to most of those countries they see themselves as inheriting “state of the art facilities” compared to their own technological levels.

Add to the expenses such things as OPERATIONS: NORTHERN & SOUTHERN WATCH. Those were different from Desert Storm, Desert Shield, and the Liberation of Iraq, for which funds were provided. Congress did not allocate additional funds to the military complex to keep those operations going because there was no timetable for them to end. So our military had to expend funds from their existing budgets for them. Nor does Congress usually grant additional funds to the military in support of U.N. military ventures. The Clinton years were particularly costly to America’s military operations.

“rat- and cockroach-infested, with stained carpets, cheap mattresses, and black mold, with no heat and water reported by some soldiers at the facility”;

Such neglect did not suddenly appear during the last 8 years. Those problems have been accumulating since World War II. Many of the hangers and shops I worked in, dormitories I lived in, and base facilities I’ve used, date to as far back as the beginning of the Cold War, 1940’s and even before. Some structures are pretty much death-traps of asbestos insulation. Yet as Congress is so tight on the military budget, the process of replacing these structures is extremely slow.

Do you even know when WRAMC was constructed? You are talking about a single building out of over a hundred.

In 1923, General John J. Pershing signed the War Department order creating the “Army Medical Center” (AMC) within the same campus as the WRGH.
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In September 1951, “General Order Number 8” combined the WRGH with the AMC; the entire complex of 100 rose-brick Georgian buildings was at that time renamed the “Walter Reed Army Medical Center” (WRAMC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Hospital