Newsweek Compares Obama To Lincoln

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Perfect timing from Jonah:

You and I read a Lincoln biography and conclude that Lincoln was great. Obama reads the same book and concludes that he is Lincoln.

Not only does Obama conclude that he is Lincoln, so does Newsweek:

Funny, I recall a few things about Lincoln. He saw this country through a devasting civil war with massive casualities and saw it through to the end. He did not concede defeat, nor tuck his tail and run.

Obama saw his country defeating a foe, and demanded we turn tail and run.

Lincolnesque he is not.

Also recall how Lincoln suspended the writ of habeus corpus, seized people and tried them without due process. Something the left and their mouthpieces at Newsweek rail against.

But somehow, someway, Obama is comparable to Republican President Lincoln.

But hey, keep on with idol worship. The high expectations they are putting in place for the messiah is setting Obama up for a huge failure.

I absolutely love it!

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Unfortunately that isn’t how liberals think. If Obama is Lincoln and he fails, it doesn’t mean he’s not Lincoln, it means the problems were so intense that not even Lincoln could have solves them. Therefore, we need to elect more Lincolns and spend more money. Being a liberal means never having to say you failed, you just didn’t spend enough.

Obama is an elitist. He thinks he is the best. Even though he has nothing to show for… lol
He will probably govern like a statue in a park… doing absolutely nothing like his voting record “present” showed. In that way he could resembles Lincoln… I believe Lincoln has a statue of his own somewhere in a park.

Oh please! Can’t “Newsweek” tell the difference between something and nothing?

Newsweep is infiltrated by the likes of Fareed Zakaria, a Muhammedan agit-prop. We need to expose Zakaria for what he is: an enemy agent for the Muslim Brotherhood.

And though shall make a golden calf and pay homage to it…..and God was angry.

These comments miss the key points about Lincoln. For two excruciating years, Lincoln had to put up with George McClellan, you know that dude who graduated first in his class at West Point, but who never won a major battle during the Civil War. When Lincoln started to take notice of Sam Grant, who graduated at the rock bottom of his class at West Point and who had a drinking problem, Lincoln calmly asked what brand Grant drank so he could send some of it to his other failing generals in the Army of the Potomac.

But Lincoln was more than that, he was the Lincoln of the Gettysburg Address. At that affair, he wasn’t even the keynote speaker, but what he said rings loud, clear and true today. Barack Obama and his media apologists need to take a while to understand what happened in 1863, but don’t hold your breath folks. Remember, the Democrats at that time were the Democrats of secession, slavery, the KKK and a whole host of other evils that ripple into today’s politics!!! Barack Obama will never be the equal of Abraham Lincoln, not now, not ever!!!

I don’t think Obama would want “In God We Trust” on a coin with his profile on it. I think he would want it to say “In Obama We Trust”. This is the only change I want from him…and even with this I wouldn’t be thrilled carrying it in my wallet.

When people start thinking they are Napoleon we lock them up in mental hospitals.

When Obama starts taking on the mantle of Lincoln we celebrate him?

The inmates truly are running the asylum.

I apologize in advance. I know this is a really dumb question. But, I’m not sure I get the connection between Lincoln and Obama. I mean, we’ve a lot of Presidents. If you look at policies or accomplishments, why in the world would you automatically say, ‘Oh, of course, Abraham Lincoln?” It makes no sense. But, then again, neither does anything else here in Alice’s Wonderland.

Wait, now this is really out there but, I guess, you could go: Slavery + Freed Slaves + Slaves were Black + Obama is sort of Black …. therefore >>>> Obama = Lincoln.

These people are aware that Lincoln was not actually black, right?

I mean, comparing Obama to Lincoln because Lincoln had something to do with freeing slaves and Obama knows some people who had ancestors who were once slaves.

Pardon me, but isn’t that sort of racist?

I’m very confused.

[Yes, that’s all sarcasm up there. I know Lincoln was not black. I think he was Asian, actually.]

In case folks don’t realize it yet, I’m an unabashed MedHead:

Fair to Compare Obama and Lincoln?
Michael Medved
Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Does it make sense to compare Barack Obama to Abraham Lincoln?

In order to answer widespread objections to the Democratic nominee’s lack of leadership experience, his supporters have developed the annoying habit of citing the sainted sixteenth president as another titanic, world-shaking and divinely anointed figure who ascended to the presidency after few prior accomplishments in politics. According to this misleading analogy, Lincoln lacked an appropriately presidential resume, just as Obama does, and shocked the political establishment of his time in much the same way that today’s Democratic candidate threatens business-as-usual in Washington. True believers feel confident that the absence of qualifications for Barack will block his path to glory and greatness no more than Honest Abe’s shortage of pre-Presidential accomplishment kept him off Rushmore.

SUPERFICIAL SIMILARITIES

This argument relies on a few purportedly “haunting” resemblances between The One and the Rail Splitter —

· Both men came to Washington to represent the state of Illinois, though both were born and raised elsewhere (Lincoln in Kentucky and Indiana, Obama in Hawaii and Indonesia)

· As boys, the two future candidates yearned for absent parents—Lincoln for the kindly, illiterate mother who died when he was nine, and Obama for the self-destructive father who abandoned him when he was two

· They each worked as lawyers, and each served 8 years in the state legislature in Springfield

· They each expressed impassioned opposition to controversial wars (the Mexican War in Lincoln’s case, the Iraq War for Obama) at a time when most of their fellow citizens supported those conflicts

· They each lost races for the House of Representatives early in their careers (Lincoln in 1843, Obama in 2000)

· Both men became nationally famous on the strength of one eloquent and celebrated speech — Lincoln’s “House Divided” speech of January, 1858, and Obama’s Keynote Address at the Democratic Convention of 2004.

· They both ran for President with a bare minimum of Washington experience (Lincoln had served only two years in the House and Obama announced his candidacy after serving only two years in the Senate).

· The two Illinoisans both qualify as skinny and tall – Lincoln was 6’4” and under 180 pounds; Obama is nearly 6’2” and about 160.

PROFOUND DIFFERENCES

While Obama’s acolytes love to cite their man’s superficial parallels with Lincoln they pointedly ignore the far more significant differences –contrasts that serve to highlight the truly unprecedented flimsiness of the current candidate’s qualifications..

Yes, it’s true that Obama has actually served more time in elective office than Lincoln before his Presidency– nearly 12 years for Barack to Abe’s 10 full years. But you can’t compare the depth or duration of their involvement in politics: Lincoln became a Presidential candidate 28 years after his first run for public office; Obama announced for the White House a mere twelve years after his debut candidacy for state legislature.

More importantly, Lincoln spent the better part of three decades deeply involved in party politics, working passionately for other candidates and causes even when not a candidate himself. At age 23, Honest Abe labored tirelessly to try to elect Henry Clay as president, and he toiled prominently in Clay’s two subsequent White House campaigns as well. In 1840, he traveled throughout the Midwest, stumping for William Henry Harrison for President and stood as a Harrison elector. In 1848, he ardently backed Zachary Taylor for President and traveled more than a thousand miles (including visits to Massachusetts and Maryland) to campaign in his ultimately successful race. As a loyal Whig, he played an influential role in dozens of local and statewide races, winning respect as a sagacious, wily electoral operator.

In contrast, Barack Obama played no significant role in any political campaign until he became a candidate himself at age 35. Unlike most budding politicians, his student years at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard provide no evidence of enthusiastic involvement in the partisan battles that raged throughout the era, no desire to do battle for Mondale-Ferraro, or Michael Dukakis, or Bill Clinton, or Al Gore. He did participate in a successful voter registration drive in 1992, but the only candidate who ever managed to inspire his personal commitment or dedication was himself.

Moreover, the young Obama never tried for a leadership role in his own party, as Lincoln did from the beginning of his career. After his arrival in the Illinois legislature in 1834 (at age 25) Abe became floor-leader for the Whig Party and chairman of the powerful finance committee. After leaving the U.S. Congress in 1848 (he faced a daunting fight for re-election), Lincoln received an offer of appointment as governor of the new Oregon Territory but turned it down because of his political ambitions in fast-growing Illinois. As the Whigs began to collapse over the slavery issue, Lincoln played a leading role in organizing the new Republican Party in Illinois. He returned briefly to the legislature in 1854, then ran for the U.S. Senate – withdrawing at the last moment before the legislature’s final vote for a new Senator in order to preserve party unity. He ran again for the Senate in 1858, challenging the nation’s most prominent and powerful Democrat Stephen A. Douglas, electrifying the public in every corner of the nation with their famous debates. By contrast, Barack Obama waged his one U.S. Senate campaign against a carpet-bagging embarrassment and fringe candidate (Alan Keyes) who took the Republican nomination after the formidable prior contender withdrew in a divorce-related sex scandal.

Aside from the vast differences in the scope of their political involvement, Lincoln and Obama followed sharply divergent paths in pursuit of their private sector careers. Obama chose to devote himself principally to the non-profit world: spending years as a community organizer, lecturer at the University of Chicago, and civil rights lawyer. Lincoln, taking a break from full-time politics in 1849, aggressively built up his reputation and personal wealth as a business lawyer, particularly for railroads. He handled more than 5,000 cases, and became known as one of the top corporate attorneys in the state, if not the nation.

Lincoln also compiled another experience that Obama never approached. In 1832, he responded to the governor’s call for volunteers and enlisted in the militia to battle a bloody Indian threat in the Black Hawk War. He quickly won election as captain of a company of volunteers, and years later said he “cherished that honor…more than nomination for the presidency.” Though he never experienced a major battle in his ninety days of service, Captain Lincoln learned the responsibilities of command and the need for quick decisions and adaptability in dangerous situations.

Finally, Lincoln displayed admirable consistency in his approach to the issues of the day throughout his political and business career. He remained a proud American nationalist determined to strengthen the union, as well as a dedicated foe of the extension of slavery. He pursued these goals relentlessly on the state and national level and the same commitments, obviously, animated his eventful presidency.

Obama’s career, on the other hand, shows no evidence of long-term engagement with particular issues or even broad aims. Hillary Clinton could boast of her leadership for more than sixteen years in efforts to reform the health insurance system but Obama (beyond eloquent backing for a deliberately vague concept of “racial justice”) can point to no lodestars that guided him in his wanderings and adventures, no national controversies that consistently engaged his attention. The backtracking, revisions and gauzy evasions characterizing the nineteen months of his presidential campaign look anything but Lincolnian in terms of predictability.

In short, the dramatic contrasts with Lincoln reveal far more about Obama than do the strained efforts to recast him in the sixteenth president’s image. At the time he announced his presidential candidacy, Obama remained so little known, so novel and exotic and unprecedented, that his campaign itself claimed to deliver some sort of radical change. Lincoln, on the other hand, had become such a familiar fixture (and fixer) in American politics by the time he ran for president that his campaign took on a reassuring, well-worn aura: they called him “Old Abe” despite his relatively youthful age of 51. No contemporaries questioned Lincoln’s candidacy on the basis of lack of experience while all impartial observers of the contemporary season note Obama’s absence of preparation for the world’s most challenging job.

Today, of course, Old Abe’s immortal words and deeds remain so compelling and fresh that even 143 years after his death, they seem perpetually young. For Obama, on the other, the gimmicks and platitudes (“We are the ones we have been waiting for!”) that seemed so fresh and vital a year ago have already begun to wear out their welcome and seem increasingly stale, tarnished, tired – and old.

This part of the Newsweek article turns my stomach ill:

To a public thoroughly sick of partisan bickering, these words rang with hope as Obama spoke them on election night before a vast crowd in Chicago’s Grant Park. If there was any one message that defined the Obama campaign from the beginning, it was his promise to rise above the petty politics of division and unite the country.

Obama successfully created the persona and facade of someone who rose above partisan division and someone who reached across the aisle. Yet from the beginning, he engaged in negative attacks yet wasn’t called on it. His 100 years charge against McCain, tying him to Bush, claiming “let’s talk about the issues”, then proceeds to talk about Bush and 8 years of failure (am I supposed to unite behind that message? Is that supposed to make us “come together”?), “get in their face”, pulling out the race card, bitter folk clinging to their guns and religion.

Actually, the Newsweek comparison is such a stretch, I can draw correlation between its points on Lincoln, to Bush:

During the Civil War, Lincoln was able to brilliantly manage his team of rivals. His secretary of state, William Seward, came into office thinking “he would actually be controlling Lincoln,” notes Goodwin, but Lincoln was able to sit Seward down, remind him who was president—and ultimately make him his close friend.

Note Bush picking one of the most over-qualified vice presidents in history whose counsel he respected and wanted, but from accounts I’ve read (aside from that of BDSers) Bush was always in the driver’s seat- not Cheney.

Lincoln surrounded himself with advisers who were better educated and more experienced and who made no secret of coveting Lincoln’s job. Obama has yet to announce his cabinet, but he is clearly looking at some strong personalities, such as Larry Summers at Treasury, and he is considering keeping on Bush’s secretary of defense, Robert Gates.

Note that Bush, in the spirit of “bipartisanship”, kept Clinton holdovers such as George Tenet. Same as how he governed Texas, which is why he thought he could be a “uniter and not a divider”. It was partisan Democrats who sabotaged Bush’s attempts at setting aside partisan differences. Note his graciousness toward Pelosi during the 2006 election loss and his graciousness and class in helping the transition process be as smooth as possible for the sake of the county.

The most important quality may be humility, which both Obama and Lincoln repeatedly refer to as an essential virtue. Humility in this case is not to be confused with meekness or passivity. Rather, it comes from confidence.

Sounds like Bush.

Bush’s circumstances have similarities every bit as much as trying to draw correlations with Obama and Lincoln:

As with the late Lincoln, so with the present Bush — once the right general was found and the right strategy adopted, victory became possible and a beleaguered president’s fortunes were restored. Doubtless President Bush is aware of the parallel, and, perchance, he will avoid Ford’s Theatre.

A curious inhibition shared by both Bush ’41 and Bush ’43 is to downplay their interest in reading. Actually both are hearty readers, certainly as compared with the general public.

Earlier this year I attended a luncheon that the president hosted at the White House for the distinguished British historian Andrew Roberts, whose 736-page volume, “A History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900,” the president had polished off months ago, even before the book was released in America. He had been talking up the book to his staff, and when I heard that my friend, Mr. Roberts, was going to be in town, I passed that intelligence on. Mr. Bush invited Mr. Roberts in, not only for lunch but also to lecture the White House staff. This president knows his history and its significance.

Through the last three years of gloomy news he has been called “bull-headed,” but the evidence from Iraq, the economy, and various other precincts, for instance, advances in stem-cell research, suggests a different adjective, to wit, “resolute.” Moreover, in Iraq we see not only a resolute president but also a flexible president. Last spring, he changed his tactics in Iraq and the change has been successful.

Historians studying Lincoln’s war have concluded that the gravest challenge facing him was to find an effective general. In fact, one of the most authoritative early series written about the war was titled “Lincoln Finds a General,” by Kenneth Williams.

From the successful way things are going in the Iraq War today, it is clear that Mr. Bush has found his general, David Petraeus, and that this general has implemented a strategy effective across an array of problems that had heretofore made a hash of our post-invasion presence in Iraq.

General Petraeus’s “surge” has pacified once violent neighborhoods and effected, in the provinces, alliances with otherwise warlike sheiks who have turned on Al Qaeda’s brutes and apparently beaten them. The surge has even suppressed incoming weapons from Iran.

And now Rep. John Murtha, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, who in July called the surge a “failed policy” and the president “delusional,” has returned from the battlefield and admitted that the “surge is working.”

The economy is strong with steady growth, low unemployment, low inflation, low interest rates, and only one sector in doubt, housing, which in an economy as enormous as ours can be endured for a while. If there is a doubt on the economy, it arises only from the threat of the Democrats.

The president’s reluctance to fund federal research on embryonic stem cells has been vindicated with the announcement that scientists have discovered how to use normal skin cells to serve their research purposes. And now comes a National Intelligence Estimate, concluding that Iran decided to abandon a 15-year program to develop nuclear weapons just months after our invasion of Iraq. At the time, Libya too gave up its nuclear arms program. What desert potentate wants to suffer the fate President Bush arranged for Saddam Hussein?

The nature of modern broadcasters and the present rancorous condition of partisan politics encourage a colossal din after a president undertakes daring endeavors. Today we forget the widespread contempt that surrounded President Truman’s last years in office as he contended with the Korean War and the early stages of the Cold War. Who remembers the sorry repute of Ronald Reagan a year before he vacated the premises? Former White House speechwriter Clark Judge, in one of the first newspaper columns to notice the Bush revival, wrote last week, “In 1987, President Reagan’s fortunes were down.” Mr. Judge noted the president’s loss of the Senate, the setback of the Bork nomination, and, of course, Iran-Contra. “But then,” Mr. Judge recalls, “the Soviets started to give way on arms and other agreements, the economy continued to grow despite the October stock market crash and Reagan began the long climb in the polls that helped put the current president’s father in the Oval Office.” Well, maybe the present president’s “long climb” has begun. From a lowly 29% approval rating in September, when General Petraeus was testifying before Congress on the surge, Mr. Bush’s approval has climbed to 36%. The Democratic Congress’s approval is but 22% and its leadership has undertaken no daring endeavors.

When President Bush finally retires to his ranch to continue his readings of history, quite possibly the books about contemporary Washington will make pleasant reading. Perhaps even a boulevard will be named after him in Baghdad.

Comparisons between Obama and Lincoln are as premature and hyperbolic as the recurring theme on this site that Obama’s election represents the death knell for American democracy. The strained attempt to compare Bush to Lincoln is equally untenable.

Bush humble, yet confident? Cocky and incompetent is far more accurate. Yes, George Bush is humble, Sarah Palin is eloquent, and Barrack Obama isn’t really all that smart. Who are you going to believe – me or your own eyes and ears?

I note in passing that Lincoln vehemently opposed a foreign war that he believed had nothing to do with the actual security of the United States.

Whenever I read or hear Hussein’s name mentioned in the same sentence or breath as President Lincoln’s my blood pressure rises . This is the most asinine claim to date and there are so many. Thank you for your comment and references Wordsmith.

After reading the entire Newsweek piece, I liked the ‘disclaimer’ near the end:

Though Obama likes to model himself on Lincoln, or perhaps FDR, another close comparison can be made to Lyndon Johnson. Like Obama, LBJ closely questioned his aides and wanted to hear the truth. “He would cross-examine you,” recalls Francis Bator, LBJ’s deputy national-security adviser. But then it was very hard to tell what LBJ was really thinking or what he’d ultimately do. Some Obama advisers have noticed the same trait in the president-elect. He can be hard to read; he is, in the end, a very self-contained and rather solitary figure. With luck, he will not be confronted with lose-lose decisions like LBJ, who had to choose between the Great Society and the war in Vietnam and ultimately lost both. Obama will surely face some hard choices, and possibly all at once. He may not wind up as a tragic figure like LBJ, but he may also disappoint the expectations of his vast legions of believers. He will not be “the One”; he will be human like the rest of us.

From what I know of Lincoln, Barry is certainly no Lincoln. LBJ? Okay I could live with that. Johnson was a shifty, untrustworthy S.O.B. too. However, Lyndon didn’t come in at the tail end of the Vietnam War. So how about “Tricky Dick” Nixon?
http://www.lonelyconservative.com/2008/10/11/will-obama-be-the-next-nixon/

Election corruption with Acorn and DNC primaries compared to Watergate spying on the opposition party to get hedge his bets before the debates?

Refusal to take responsibilities and hiding of the past; “I am not a crook.” & 18 minutes of missing tape recordings vs “Ayers was just a guy in my neighborhood.” & denial of access to past records.

Wanted to bring a losing war to an early conclusion vs. wants to lose a war by pulling out too soon.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/865754.html

Both men, faced with a key group of voters who stood between themselves and the presidency, used television in creative ways to try to win them over.

In 1968, the Nixon campaign produced 10 hour-long programs and paid to put them on TV stations. On Wednesday, the Obama campaign produced a half-hour program and paid to air it on three networks and select cable channels.

I don’t think I’ld want to buy a used car from either administration.
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-obama-new-nixon-and-same-old-new.html
http://tdg.typepad.com/democrats_for_principle_b/2008/10/nixon-obama-take-three.html

Obama Like Nixon backed out of public campaign financing.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/10/chuck_hagel_wil/

http://www.nextleft.org/2008/11/bipartisan-obamas-nixon-moment.html

I wonder if he intended the allusion to Richard Nixon: when he promised his daughters they could take a puppy to the White House, it reminded me of (in very different circumstances) the famously slippery Checkers speech.

More from:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/barack_obama_richard_nixon_sou.html

Barack Obama & Richard Nixon: Soulmates?
Ralph Alter
Obama’s campaign and persona bear a striking resemblance to a recent Republican President: Richard Milhouse “Tricky Dick” Nixon.

There are a few minor differences among the remarkable similarities: while Nixon spent months trying to overcome the issue of an 18 & ½ minute blank spot in the middle of a tape recording of his activities in the Oval Office, Barack Obama has shrugged off an 18 & ½ year blank spot in the middle of his resume. Both were trained as lawyers and served as U.S. Senators.

Both rising young politicians resorted to a bit of unsportsmanlike conduct in the campaigns that jump-started their careers, with Nixon dumping Helen Gahagan Douglas while Obama jobbed State Senator Alice Palmer to shoehorn himself into the Daley Machine.

Once elected, possible signs of Nixonian megalomania became apparent and he is now credited with greatly enhancing the Imperial Presidency. At one point he proposed dressing White House guards in uniforms ridiculed as coming out of a comic opera, hastily dropping the plan. Nixon surrounded himself with a tight coterie of loyalists, whose allegiance was strictly to the President. These sycophants hastened the dissolution of the Nixon presidency with their secretiveness and dissembling. Tricky Dick even had elaborate “Palace Guard” uniforms designed for the White House Police that were eventually laughed off the scene.

Obama’s regal sense of himself is redolent of Louis XVI, as he surrounds himself with Greek Columns and stages his speeches in front of huge suppliant crowds both here and in Europe. His campaign plane has a seat reading “President” on it. Tricky Barry’s presumptuous almost-Presidential seal was likewise laughed off the campaign trail.

Both men have had their problems with plumbers. While Nixon’s plumbers were in his employ, Obama’s experience was more of a plumber ex-machina, with America finally provided with an honest answer from the Great Dissembler extracted by a humble plumber, with Joe never having to wield his trusty pipe wrench.

The media mavens of the day were shocked to discover Nixon’s “Enemies List.” I suspect many of them were even more surprised to find their own names prominently displayed therein. John Dean was the recipient of the list compiled by John Erlichman & Co. and described it thusly:

“This memorandum addresses the matter of how we can maximize the fact of our incumbency in dealing with persons known to be active in their opposition to our Administration; stated a bit more bluntly-how we can use the available federal machinery to screw our political enemies.”

Barack Obama hasn’t bothered to wait until he is elected to start screwing his enemies. Joe the Plumber has been on the receiving end of a through examination of his marital, tax and employment history and who knows what else at the hands of Obama plumbers in the Ohio State Government. The latest additions to the Obama Enemies List are the members of the press from The New York Post, The Washington Times and The Dallas Morning News who were unceremoniously dumped from Obama’s campaign plane. Fortunately, this was not done in mid-air, but it seems the fact of their parent papers endorsing John McCain for President may have had something to do with it. This follows a week of tough interviews for Blatherskite Joe Biden, Obama’s VP nominee. Of course the stations who conducted the interview were cut off from future interviews and access to the Obama campaign.

Am I the only one who sees a pattern here? Nixon’s penchant for secrecy was well known. Thus far, Obama has kept his medical records, his high school, college and post-graduate records, his job history, his publishing history, his birth certificate, the videos of his endorsements and praise for radicals, criminals and terrorists (Oh my!), his church attendance and just about every other facet of his life a secret from the American public.

We really haven’t seen this dangerous combination of paranoia and megalomania since the fall of the House of Nixon. Can Tricky Barry’s demise be far behind?

Comparisons can be a bit fun eh? hehe.

I note in passing that Lincoln was probably right about the Mexican-American War while Obama was wrong about Iraq.

Obama is smart? What are you going to believe, his teleprompter-less speaking or his undisclosed college grades?

If you wanted to ruin America, what three things could greatly help to accomplish this goal?

1) Support policies that would likely lead to failure in Iraq. Obama — Check
2) Raise taxes during a recession or near-recession. Obama — Check
3) Be the single most divisive president-elect and soon to be president in American history. Obama — Check.

Thanks Wordsmith, love your post.

Our area is steeped in the history of the Blackhawk War, our former home was located near Stillman Valley, IL where the battle of Stillman Run took place. Passed the cemetary everyday where those who died fighting it were buried.

“……The presence of the Soldiers, Statesman, Abraham Lincoln, assisting in the buriel of the honored dead has made this spot more sacred.”

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilogle/battleground.htm

Lincoln not only was a Statesman, I believe he was a Captain in our military when he toured the battlefield and participated in the burial.

Comparing Obama to Lincoln is absurd, crazy-talk. Most people in the rural areas of Illinois still think of him as a carpetbagger, we thought the same of Alan Keyes during the Senate campaign. Although Lincoln came to us from Kentucky, he more than qualified himself as a true Illinoisan, Obama is nothing more than a Chicagoan, big, big difference. Now that Chicago runs the state, seen how well that goes for us lately? Their politics and way of doing things will be moving into the WH in January.

And yes, the Lincoln/Bush comparison is more fitting.

I’m in the filter again, please and thank you.

@Rocky_B:

Now that’s a credible gathering of undeniable facts. Both you and Wordsmith are pretty perky this morning, made my day!

Braininahat,

No teleprompter at the debates. Sounded pretty good to me.

Here – it’s real simple. If you make it onto an NFL football team, you’ve got a good 40-yard dash, a good bench press, and a good squat. If you get into Harvard Law School, get chosen president of the law review, and then get hired to teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for 12 years, you’re pretty smart.

History has proven Lincoln right about the Mexican War. At the time he was excoriated for his position. I’m content to let history judge Obama’s position on the Iraq War.

“Be the single most divisive president-elect and soon to be president in American history. Obama — Check.”

Not sure where to start. How would you substantiate the first claim? And the second claim is redundant. The President-elect is the “soon to be president” You’ve failed to establish your credentials as a prophet. Short of that, I think you should wait and see. That’s what a prudent person would do.

Correct em if I’m wrong, but I think you guys have missed the point of the article, which is titled “Obama Looks to Lincoln”. Although some cursory similarities are acknowledged in the beginning of the article, I believe the point being made is that Obama is looking to draw from the experiences of Lincoln in his own Presidency, rather than that Obama considers himself to be, or that the authors consider him to be, President Lincoln. Surely you wouldn’t object to that.

Curt: “… The high expectations they are putting in place for the messiah is setting Obama up for a huge failure.”

SG: Actually this last point worries me a bit, ’cause Failure is somethin’ y’all know about. In fact after ’06 and now ’08, y’all (R) Failure experts.

Look … The truth is, we all know whatever obstacles Obama runs up against, he can lay them off on “W” and 80% of the population will accept it. ‘Coarse’ if’n “W” hadn’t screwed up so bad, Obama couldn’t do it. But …. “W” did and so Obama will be able to …

Snerd

Misty: “… And yes, the Lincoln/Bush comparison is more fitting.”

SG: AGREED! The (R) both dead from the neck up!

Snerd

And yet he’s still smarter than Gore, Kerry, and obama. Doesn’t say much about the dems, does it?

Reasic: “… I think you guys have missed the point of the article, which is titled “Obama Looks to Lincoln”.

SG: Look Reasic, thems just words … and maybe nuance too. Anywayz … in Belief-Empiricism, we jest look fir associations, no matter how tenuous and we call it “Faith …. Built by Association”

Snerd

Lincoln? I guess no one wants to hang the closer comparison of Carter on him…

But I agree with Dave Noble’s first comment (and not the rest… LOL)…. comparing Obama to anything or anyone is premature. The guy’s not even POTUS yet, fer heavens sake. He’s done nothing yet, but talk a big game, and give a few people new jobs.

Mata,

And how in “talking a big game” is Obama any different than any other President-elect? You can’t play the game until the kickoff. And what President ever got elected by saying “I don’t really expect to do much.”

How is Obama NOT Lincolnesque!? … A ‘penny’ for your thoughts …

Snerd

Obama sure did say he was going to do a lot………of tax raising and industry destroying.

He said he would, “spread the wealth around.” He said he would raise the capital gains tax even that would reduce the governments income because, “it is the fair thing to do.” He never did say to whom it would be fair.

He sounds more Marxist than Lincolnesque

Snerd Gunk: Lincoln said, and I am paraphrasing because I do not have the exact quote in front of me, “You do not build up a man’s house be destroying another’s.”

Obama wants to take from those who work hard, study, save, sacrifice, pay taxes, send their kids to school, and give it to those who do none of these things.

He sounds more Marxist than Lincolnesque.

Lincoln was right about the MexAm War? Didn’t we get the West from that war, including California, Washington, Oregon, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado?
Oh, well maybe he was right.

As for Obama being Lincoln, hogwash (and my apologies to the hogs). Obama being humble?
Did Lincoln have a faux West Wing built for his inauguration? Did Lincoln create his own faux Presidential seal and logo? Did Lincoln claim to be Messianic? Even the Son of God did not go to the lengths of Obama in promoting Himself. Yet, Obama is ‘humble’?
Did Lincoln write an autobiography before he accomplished anything of note? But Obama did, and yet Obama is ‘humble’. No Obama is humbug. He is Reagan without substance, all surface, little substance. That’s why Obama had to hire all Clinton aides (even Clinton had more substance than Obama will ever have) because Obama’s an empty suit.
Did Lincoln pal around with Confederates? Did he think secession was a good thing?
Did he pal around with Indian revolutionaries and their apologists? No, but Obama had comparable friends and allowed them to his Eleciton Night party in Grant Park.
One man had principles of Country First, the other man always puts himself FIRST above his Country.

The media and country should let the left-wing illuminati actually get in and attempt to do something before they start giving them credit or making comparisons.

President Lincoln and President Obama share ancestors!

How cool is that.

President Lincoln and President Obama share ancestors

Wishing the best for our new President on the eve of his Presidential Inauguration.

Aloha!!!!!!

He’s also related to the Cheney’s, how cool is that?

I guess he’s going to have a hard time changing that.

Hi all;
Back from the holidays. Hope you all had great time during yours.

Alexis;
I daresay Obama’s ancestry is much closer to the Bush & Cheney family trees than Lincoln. It took me a while following your link to find what Family Forest might be referring to. Granted many of our presidents were related, but in tracing Lincoln’s tree back to the 1500’s, I fail to see this common ancestor they allege, nor do they provide the Lincoln connection in their PDF link of Obama’s ancestors, nor do any of the other names given there crop up. Ref:
http://familyforest.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/family-forest-kinship-report-of-barack-obama4.pdf

I do see Herbert Hoover, G.W. Bush, and a link to the Cheney family listed. Family Forest does not show exactly how he is supposedly linked to George Washington, as the various stories also claim. I do see an Elizabeth Washington listed, but I also see a lot of Hinckley’s. It doesn’t mean anything unless you can actually make the connections. But how funny is that? Obama could be related to the guy who attempted to assassinate President Reagan?

The only name I see that comes close to the family tree is Elizabeth Boone, who if she was perhaps a descendant of Daniel Boone would connect Obama through our Berry line to the Hanks, but only by marriage, not by blood. Sorry, not close enough by genealogical standards to call a common ancestor.

Regardless, you are of course touting the very same “white” heritage of his family tree that he long ago threw under the bus in his efforts to ignore his elite white heritage to politically exploit his lesser black heritage. How cool is that? What’s more, BHO is only; what 6% black? And as has been pointed out, his black family tree comes directly from his connections to his father in Africa and has no relationship to any American ancestors who were enslaven.

It’s easy to create unsubstantiated rumors as to who one might be related to. In the Family Forest link you provided, they admit their information hasn’t been confirmed. It means nothing in genealogy unless you can back the claim up with documentational evidence. Besides, his heritage has no bearing on how Obama will lead this country. Lincoln was second-third cousin to several members of Quantrille’s Raiders, a band of Confederate border raiding outlaws whose surviving members would later join Jesse Jame’s gang. That didn’t effect how Lincoln ran his administration, now did it?