Hang Sarah Palin in Effigy and It’s “Art” Hang Obama and It’s RACIST!

Well, it is okay because she is white see, a throw back to the days when blacks were hung for being black. A part of reparations. So it is justified. That and because she hunts. She kills animals. My God, the horror. And she is Republican. This can be justified by the left from any angle you look at it.

Keep it classy Liberals, as usual!!!

This is the future for conservative women under a Obama totalitarian state.

A foreboding future indeed.

I see it as violence against Republicans in general. A party of people, regardless of their race. If a black guy was to go and yell “I am a Republican!”, I’m sure that he’d be shot on the spot on the belief that there’s something mentally wrong with him.

Obama, “The One”? Well, look what your savior has brought upon our society. You don’t have to search far and wide, just take another good look at that picture on the top of this post.

Disgusting.

It just goes to prove you how POWERFUL Sarah is. She really bothers them… lol
Sarah will win this election and they know it. Go Sarah, Go!

And if it was BO (aka: hanged in Effigy, the MSM would go BERZERK!!!!

[Craig:
It just goes to prove you how POWERFUL Sarah is. She really bothers them… lol
Sarah will win this election and they know it. Go Sarah, Go!]

I totally agree with you, Craig…you hit the nail on the head.

Oh! I did not realize that it was art. Now I get it. Just ask Chad and Vito…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhLVdH3btMg

People are not create equal. Some are healthy, beautiful, intelligent and rich. Others are sick, ugly, stupid and poor. They are only equal in rights and liberties.

So therefore, the MSM are not being fair because the do not give the same rights and liberties to Sarah and Obama.

Seeing as how the residents of this particular house seem to be seeking as much attention as they can get, perhaps they would appreciate a postcard or two letting them know exactly what the rest of America thinks of them.

That would be the residents of 1253 N Orange Grove Ave, West Hollywood, CA 90046. (Thank you, Google.)

Just FYI.

@McPiglin: WTF

@Ms. D. Cantrell:Is there even one piece of article that connects the Palin effigy and religion? NO, and the fact that they have a McCain effigy on the roof as well, debunks your theory about “hatred against women”. Is it a classy, or even mature act? Of course not. McCain’s entire campaign is based on FEAR, and you are just feeding that fear, projecting frivolous arguments based on hate and fear. This is just a stupid prank, done by attention seekers, nothing more nothing less. There are people doing it on the other side as well, only they are more along the lines of the lynchings black people endured, so if you want to talk hate crimes, look more en-depth. Look at the symbols that are included. I see no symbols of a hate crime in this particular incidence. The only symbol I see, is the dislike for the republican party, and what they stand for. If they are in fact gay,then I put my money on that.

@voter: What are you talking about fear and hate??? Show me one instance that McCain has instigated hate??? Unlike Obama telling people to get into our faces. Please show me proof that McCain has done anything if what you have said????

And guess who did those lynchings????? It was the Democrat’s KKK.

@stix1972:

Careful there hoss.

She’ll turn on ya and start callin’ you names and stuff if you ask her to actually present facts to support her statements.

@stix1972: You’ll notice, I said the McCain campaign is based on FEAR. In this day and age the mere mention of terrorist, instills fear. McCain’s running mate, every chance she gets, tries to make the connection with Obama and terrorists. He’s a US senator, if he is a terrorist, then how many other terrorists have infiltrated our government? What does that say about our system? All that does is instill fear, and it won’t stop in 6 days whether he wins or loses, people are still going to have that in their minds, doesn’t do much for a UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Now does it? And McCain has followed in her footsteps. If you need a specific instance for your fact book, the final debate is one example.

Does it really matter who did the lynchings, to determine if it was a hate crime?

If a black dummy, Barack Obama, was lynched for Halloween,
cries of racism would be dominating the mainstream media!!!

@Howard: The problem is everyone is giving too much attention to single acts of stupidity or what ever you want to call it, some how ON BOTH sides, small minded people are trying to connect these acts to the campaign trail. Little ridiculous, don’t ya think? Guess we are in desperate need for an October surprise, we’ll grasp at anything we can, to make a headline.

Times running out.

@voter: So let me get this straight. Palin and McCain saying that Obama has been friends with a Terrorists is based on fear. Did they ever say Obama was a terrorists????? They are questioning his associates. Which I think every American would want to know about. Do you want a President that worked with a man that bombed the Pentagon and wanted to bomb a Military dacne that probably would have killed more people that wer killed in Oklahoma???? DO you want a President that went to a Black Liberation Theology Church for 20 years???? Look up Black Liberation Theology. It is not a Christian religion, it is a Marxist front. Do you want to have a President that went to a going away party for a memeber of the PLO, and said that “Israel has no right to occupy Paslestine” and cheered an anti-Semite poem???

That is not fear that is information that Americans should Know before they elect someone as President.

I think that Obama will change the United States of America into something we will not recognize as the United States of America. We will turn into a EU state that has the government run every part of our lives. And do not even think anout making it, you will just get taxed to death.

Socialism has never worked and will never work. it only created poverty and despair.

And do not even tell me Obama is not a Socialist in the mold of France or any other Eurabian country. it will not work. he has said enough to me to see what he wants to do to our country, and with Pelosi and Reid, we will be in serious trouble. Our 401 ks will be used to fund welfare and other social programs. And the Global Poverty Act will send money to the UN to fork over to tyrants and thugs that wish us harm.

@Aye Chihuahua: Nice trick only highlighting a portion of my argument, but if you had read on, the fact that McCain was also displayed, kills that theory.

You sure you don’t work for the McCain campaign? Picking apart someones sentence to make it sound the way you want it to.

You miss the larger point, Erika. You said it was McCain basing a campaign on fear….

Yet you can see that people feel free to hang anyone BUT a black man in effigy for entertainment. You can see Obama himself played the race card with his “doesn’t look like other Presidents”.

Now we have warnings of riots if we *don’t* vote in Obama…

I guess the fact I can’t stand the guy is I hate socialism… silly me. I must be a racist, eh?

And you accuse McCain of the FEAR FACTOR!

Explain, please.

@MataHarley:

Don’t go asking Erika any tough questions now Mata.

You’ll get her apple cart all upset and she’ll tell you that you’re being “hateful” and “antagonistic” or some such drivel, and even if you aren’t doing those things, she’ll lie and say that you are.

Then, the best part is, she’ll want you to apologize for doing something that you didn’t do that she lied and said you did.

@voter:

Let’s look at this a little bit:

So let me get this straight, there’s a phantom tape,

The tape exists. The LA Times admits they have it, thus it’s not a “phantom”.

that no one has seen,

Again, the LA Times has it. Multiple people there have viewed it.

that supposedly has Obama saying something about Isreal,

Those who have seen it have confirmed what is on the tape and have given the damning contents as the reason for the LA Times to embargo it’s release.

(I don’t know what because there’s no evidence of a tape),

Again, the LA Times says that they have it.

if that’s not propaganda, what is.

What makes it propaganda?

Now, to you, my friend, Erika. Your #43. Is this what’s called a “distraction”? Were we not discussing the “fear” campaign tactics??

BTW, the LA Times tape you are discussing is sorta semantics at this point. Obama has already been on record in past instances as saying he enjoyed many a dinner at the Khalidi’s… another “hood” dude. Makes me wonder if I should be looking twice in my rural ‘hood for those bizarre types.

So the tape of him proving he is close friends with an anti-Zionist is really just icing on the cake. The fact the tape exists is not interesting

The fact the tape exists, and the LA Times *won’t* release is is far more interesting….

Now… back to the fear campaign and away from your “distractions” please?

@voter:

Now I see where your logic is going.

If I were to go out tomorrow and put up a display of a black man (Obama) hanging from a noose with a white man (Biden) sitting on the roof that would be a “political statement” and would have nothing to do with race?

Riiiight.

BTW, Erika… those “skin heads” would kill me just as fast for Jewish blood in my veins… even tho I’m white.

Wackos exist on both sides. Plots to kill POTUS and candidates exists on both sides. Let’s face it. There’s a large segment of humanity that is severely screwed up. And guess what… they aren’t only GOP. Now…

Back to the FEAR CAMPAIGN! Hellooooooooooo?????

I wold also be in the crosshairs. I am a Catholic, and have some Jamaican blood in me, along with every other ethnicity you can think of.

Erika… slow down for a minute. First of all, there is no contest that Rashid Khalidi and Obama are close neighborhood friends. That is documented in many news stories already. As I said. The big story about the tape is not that LA Times has one from Khalidi’s farewell dinner, as it’s been reported before. The big story is why they feel like they shouldn’t release it.

But that’s not a story I’m interested in. And it’s not the story you and I are discussing… in case you forgot.

I’m more interested in why you feel McCain is running a “fear” campaign.. based presumably on you disputing Obama is socialist. (which is actually pretty easy to document)

Instead, I want to know why YOU… Ms. Erika… Obama supporter… do *not* feel that Obama and his supporters, claiming that if he loses it will be because of race and riots will happen, is *not* a FEAR campaign.

Helllllllooooo….. come back on on topic PLEASE! And if you can’t. Just say so. I promise that after you say “I can’t”, I will not rub it in.

Any boys and gals here? I suggest you do the same. I’m just trying to get to a realization here, if you please.

Gateway Pundit is a good source for the “phantom” tape

According to Wallsten the evening not surprisingly turned into a classic Jew-bash:

“During the dinner a young Palestinian American recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, “then you will never see a day of peace.”

One speaker likened “Zionist settlers on the West Bank” to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been “blinded by ideology.”

@MataHarley: This is the first I’ve heard of Obama being close “neighborhood friends of Rashid Khalidi” and as much as McCains campaign likes to point out his acquaintances, as well as everyone here on flopping aces, I’m surprised I haven’t heard about this, before the LA times said something about this tape. I don’t believe everything I hear. I haven’t seen or heard the tape, or any proof of the tapes existence, therefore I am weary of the whole story, sounds suspect to me. I’ve also never heard OBAMA say there will be riots if he is not elected. You can’t hold him and his campaign responsible for others actions or statements. So that would not be his camp spreading that fear. I am being as “on topic” as I can be, Ive given the reason for my statement about McCain’s camp using fear tactics. #43 perfect examples of fear.

From the outside looking in, it looks like the right will believe anything negative about Obama, without any proof, just because they don’t like him or his policies. If there were a tape of some sort about McCain, that cast a negative shadow, the right would be saying, “wheres the proof?”, “wheres the facts to back this up?” Does Obama not deserve the same? If not, WHY?

@voter: Because the MSM is in the tank for Obama, they are looking at history not what is best for the country. they are not giving the full story of who Obama is, but went gang busters after Palin

@voter:

This is the first I’ve heard of Obama being close “neighborhood friends of Rashid Khalidi” and as much as McCains campaign likes to point out his acquaintances, as well as everyone here on flopping aces, I’m surprised I haven’t heard about this, before the LA times said something about this tape.

There’s such a tangled web of seedy characters surrounding this charlatan that you need a flow chart to keep up with all of them.

So that would not be his camp spreading that fear.

Two words:

James. Carville.

#43 perfect examples of fear.

What?

#43 is your post.

You working for the McCain campaign?

@Aye Chihuahua: You make absolutely no sense whats so ever. You have the comments mixed up.

James Carville? Whats that supposed to mean, GIVE ME THE FACTS, AYE. Or is this to tough of a question for you? You love to ask for facts so give them to me.

Just for you Erika Voter,

“In Chicago, the Khalidis founded the Arab American Action Network, and Mona Khalidi served as its president. A big farewell dinner was held in their honor by AAAN with a commemorative book filled with testimonials from their friends and political allies. These included the left wing anti-war group Not In My Name, the Electronic Intifada, and the ex-Weatherman domestic terrorists Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers. There were also testimonials from then-state Senator Barack Obama and the mayor of Chicago.”
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1590

@stix1972: Thats a stretch, I didn’t see the word riots being used. I agree, it would get dramatic out there, because we are sick and tired of the elections being stolen. Am I saying I’m going to riot? NO. And thats not what that quote was saying, not to me anyways.

Voter,

Obama Served On Board That Funded Pro-Palestinian Group

By: Aaron Klein
Date Posted: February 27, 2008

JERUSALEM – Democratic presidential frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director on the board of a nonprofit organization that granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a “catastrophe.” (Obama has also reportedly spoken at fundraisers for Palestinians living in what the United Nations terms refugee camps.)

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/obama-serves-with-terrorist-on-anti-israel-board/

How old are you voter?? just wanting to know.

Erika, I provided hotlinks to Carville’s statement alluding to unrest, as well as Obama’s original statements about not looking like ‘other presidents’ on a dollar bill. That you haven’t heard about it doesn’t surprise me, nor will I judge it. Many cannot follow news… what little they report.

However, as I said, you will see the original starting point of Obama’s race based statement… CONFIRMED BY HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER, AXELROD… linked in my previous posts.

Also please note I provided James Carville’s transcripts in my hotlinks.

HINT: Hotlinks are in RED

Now, I have not included ALL the recent media “warnings” of race riots in the wake of an Obama loss. THIS IS A FEAR TACTIC! If you do *not* vote for Obama, you are voting for race riots.

Nice, eh? But no pressure… no FEAR…

But I will say this. You have been blind – for whatever reason – to Obama’s statement about his face being “different” on a dollar bill, his campaign manager’s statement confirming his original “dollar bill” statement was about race, and some of the many “race riot” warnings.

Now you have no excuse.

You’d disavowed knowledge as a reason for your opinion… now you can’t disavow knowledge … assuming you have the capability of clicking on a link.

As to Khalidi… this account of the dinner you want to disavow is actually covered in the SAME MEDIA THAT REFUSES TO RELEASE THE VIDEO TAPE! Excuse me for shouting, but I suspect you have been blind for not noticing, or not wanting to notice. This does, after all, go back to APRIL of this year.

CHICAGO — It was a celebration of Palestinian culture — a night of music, dancing and a dash of politics. Local Arab Americans were bidding farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights, who was leaving town for a job in New York.

A special tribute came from Khalidi’s friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi’s wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.

[Mata Note: sound local "friendly" enuf now??]

His >b?many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been “consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases. . . . It’s for that reason that I’m hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation — a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid’s dinner table,” but around “this entire world.”

Today, five years later, Obama is a U.S. senator from Illinois who expresses a firmly pro-Israel view of Middle East politics, pleasing many of the Jewish leaders and advocates for Israel whom he is courting in his presidential campaign. The dinner conversations he had envisioned with his Palestinian American friend have ended. He and Khalidi have seen each other only fleetingly in recent years.

Interesting… Obama stopped frequenting Khalidi’s home in 2003? Gee.. that was not long before he started running for the US Congress Senate seat. Hummmm…. Politically motivated? Obama? No, of course not. He doesn’t throw friends under the bus for politics (yes… deservedly snarky here…)

Now that you *know*… WITHOUT HEARING THE TAPE… from the same source that REFUSES TO RELEASE THE TAPE… that Khalidi and the Obamas were “frequent dinner companions”… perhaps you will be less likely to disbelieve in the tape’s existance, and wonder why the heck the LA Times refuses to release the tape of a farewell dinner of documented friends.

Is there not one curious bone in your body???

I hope Ericka that you have watched this video. Because if you did not, you will convince me, that you do not want to KNOW, you just want to KEEP BELIEVING what you already wrongly believe.

“hinting” at race riots… So sorry…. you don’t believe that do you? Even from James Carville?

How about other stories?

The UK Telegraph 10/24/08

The Hill, 10/21/08

Huffington Post, 10/16/08

The UK Daily Mail, 10/24/08

Rep John Murtha doesn’t predict riots, but calls his own district racist INRE Obama… Gee… no pressure. If Obama’s not elected, it’s just a racist nation, eh?

…… catching on to the scam being run on your mind yet?

I have a question to all

WHY, IF THESE MEN ARE SO DANGEROUS AND ARE TERRORIST, THEN WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THEM TO EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN? Or is that Obama’s fault as well?

I think we need to really look at the whole picture here. There’s something wrong, if we are allowing our children to be around and learn from these “terrorist”.

Or maybe, just maybe, this is being blown out of proportion. Don’t we kick terrorists out of our country? Then why are they not only in our country, but walking free, shaping the minds of our young?

I have to go to bed. I’ll be back in the morning.

Good night, don’t let the terrorists bugs bite. (they seem to be everywhere)

Erika… when you wake up, try to be alert and read this time.

INRE your comment:

About the “look different then other Presidents” statement.
That was taken out of context, he was explaining, McCain wants voters to FEAR Obama, because he doesn’t look like other Presidents,

I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT AXELROD CONFIRMED OBAMA WAS TALKING ABOUT RACE WITH THAT STATEMENT! First they denied it was about race, then admitted it. The problem was, McCain never mentioned anything about Obama’s race or fear of him being black to warrant that comment.

Repeated here… yet one more time… FROM THE SAME MEDIA THAT REFUSES TO RELEASE THE KHALIDI TAPE (in other words, an Obama supporter)

Advisor Axelrod admits Obama was referring to race

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With not much else going on in midsummer, the media pounced, and we had a full-scale flareup. On Thursday, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs denied Davis’ accusation and said Obama was simply referring to the fact that he didn’t come into the race with the history of others. “It is not about race,” Gibbs claimed.

Obama has since called the race charge “a typical pattern” of the GOP campaign.

But now Obama’s chief campaign strategist, David Axelrod, admits that the candidate was referring in part to his race when he suggested that the McCain campaign wants voters to fear Obama because he doesn’t look like other presidents.

“He’s not from central casting,” Axelrod told a national TV audience Friday, “when it comes to candidates for president of the United States. He’s new to Washington. Yes, he’s African American.”

This is an admission of Obama speaking of his race. It is NOT OUT OF CONTEXT. His campaign manager confirmed Obama was referencing his race while accusing McCain of invoking the fear of race.

McCain never had.

It all started with Obama himself playing the race card.

I said this to you once before, and this evening you have proven it. Obama could commit a murder before your very eyes, and you’d figure out a way to justify it.

He started the race baiting. He is running a campaign that includes a fear factor of NOT voting for him can start race riots.

And you go to bed and sleep quietly.

All I can say is pleasant dreams. If your guy wins, have them while you can. Because life around you is going to change faster than you can say Johnny Appleseed. And it wil not be for the better…

Voter:

@MataHarley: Okay, Mata we are not seeing the same thing. I see something totally different. Obama is not saying, vote for me because I am black. He is addressing just a couple of the fear tactics that his opponent will use against him. It’s almost like an opening statement, of what we can expect to see in the course of the race. (he is after all an attorney) He also mentioned that “I’ve got a funny name”. You can’t deny the use of his Arabic sounding name, being used to plant a seed of fear. During the primaries McCain realized Obama was going to be the Dem Candidate, and did a preemptive strike, throwing out his middle name. (trying to tell people, you can’t trust him, he’s one of THEM) Since then people throw his middle name around like its a dirty word. When have they ever used McCains middle name? And so what, who cares, whats in a name, I knew a John, when I was a child who was a pedophile. Does that mean McCain is one too?
I’m getting off point, I think it was taken out of context, and with the “threat of riots”. Show me one thing with OBAMA’S campaign actually saying there will be RIOTS if he is not elected. If all you have is someone saying it will get dramatic out there, you’ve got nothing. I will be angered, and it will be intense in my own home if McCain wins from stealing it. That does not mean I am going to go out and riot. Now if McCain wins fair and square, I won’t be happy, but at least our system worked and the American people were heard. I think that is how the majority of Obama supporters feel. I’m not saying Obama is perfect, no one is. Has he made some questionable acquaintances? Sure, but he hasn’t been caught giving money to terrorist organizations, or supporting them in any way. This can also be seen as the ability to connect with all kinds of different minded people, and isn’t that what we need in order to build our allies abroad? We can disagree with someone and still find a common ground, that is where McCain doesn’t get it. He wants to ignore hostile countries, while Obama wants to keep the flow of communication open. If we just write off countries that we don’t agree with, for what ever reason, we will further alienate ourselves from the rest of the world. I do respect your opinion, and what you are trying to say, but it just doesn’t add up for me. It’s propaganda, just like that tape, why would someone say they have a tape,say what is on it, but not show it. Sounds to me like someone is just trying to create doubt in someones mind. That is propaganda at it’s finest.

@voter: How many 4 or 5??? Mainly because they are Washington insiders and hang out with the MSM.

Not the millions of PUMAS that will never votefor Obama.

@voter: Do you really think if we sit aroud with Iran and sing Kumbaya they will see the light and stop building Nukes. Just ask North Korea. Open to talking with rougue nations only gives them creedence. It isw no way for foreign policy. A couple weeks after JFK talked to the Russians is when we had the Cuban Missile crisis.

@voter: You mean Madelein Albrightthat madea deal with the North Koreans, then the Bush white House did also, they North Loreans actually blew up one of its reactors. But as this shows, you cannot trust anythingf these rougue states say and what is the use of keeping the flow of info,when all they do is lie to you.

Yes JFK handled it, but pretty much screwed the pooch to get us there. Russia never would have moved missiles into Cuba if JFK would not have stuck his head between his legs and went and saw Russian officials w/o preconditions. Big difference when Reagan went and actually left the Russians and told them to pound sand.

@Mike’s America: I think you are the one with a reading disability, anyone can say they have a tape, I can say I have a tape of McCain having an affair with a teen boy, that still doesn’t make it so. UNTILL THERE IS PROOF

@stix1972:

She’s had all night plus half the day.

You’d think that the examples she alludes to would be easy to come up with.

@Brian Miller: So I am sperading hate because I am stating facts. that is a new one to me. So showing who someone associates with is spreading hate and fear. Another new one to me. Don’t you want to know this kind fo stuff or are you too blinded to see what Obama is????

Yeah, I’m blind and I don’t want to know the facts, that’s why I’m reading these comments, checking out viewpoints I might not agree with, reading, all the kinds of things that are considered subversive by the true believers. Yeah, this old kettle is black and blind by some standards. Stating that predictions for the future are facts is dishonest, can’t you see that? Are you so blind? Is it a fact that you can predict 100% all the horrors that are supposed to happen once Obama gets elected? That’s a new one to me. I don’t think so, but if faith based politics is all you got, might as well call it facts. But at least we can be adult about it.

@Brian Miller: If they don’t like your answer, they will skip past it, and say you haven’t given an answer. Some on this post like to ask for facts, but wouldn’t know a fact if it slaped them in the face. You’ll find on this blog site,(with most, not all) McCain can do no wrong, no scratch that REPUBLICANS can do no wrong. You’d think they could walk on water.

@voter:

No Erika. McCain has done a lot of of stuff wrong. McCain-Feingold, Manbearpig (Global Warming), Illegal Immigration, and many other things I am disgusted with McCain about. But I am not going to let a Chicago Thug get into the White House. We are already seeing the Chicago Style Politics spread across the nation. Just ask the Hillary supporters at the cacaii.

@voter:

If they don’t like your answer, they will skip past it, and say you haven’t given an answer.

You know Erika that response is more than just a bit amusing.

Ever since your post #26 several of us have been trying to get a straight answer out of you.

You made the claim that McCain’s entire campaign has been run based on fear.

Over and over and over again since then you have been asked to provide proof of your claims.

You should be very hesitant to point a gnarled finger at the rest of us when you are the one who is guilty.

@Aye Chihuahua: I’d really like to know where you work, they must be very nice. You know to let you blog on their dime. Model employee.

@voter:

I’d really like to know where you work, they must be very nice. You know to let you blog on their dime. Model employee.

Being a self made business owner has its’ advantages.

The only person I have to answer to is my wife and as long as I keep the grass mowed and my socks picked up she’s very easy on me.

Strange, still no straight answer from you to the questions that are looming.

You’d rather create another distraction about what someone else is or is not doing.

Seems you should have learned about false accusations by now.

Brian, you said:

Okay, McCain/Bush are not responsible for what their followers say. But the followers are.

~~~

As I said, McCain is not running a campaign based on fear and hate… it’s based on fools.

If that’s the case, Brian, then the Obama campaign is one based on hate, sleazy tabloid accusations and lazy Americans who prefer the government decide their future and support their families.

Are you saying there is no difference between facts and what economist have told us?

The Goldman Sachs ex CEO… an Obama supporter, I believe… was on Charlie Gibson last week and stated unequivocally that raising taxes in this economy is one dumb move.

The Tax Policy Center has evaluated Obama’s overall tax plans, plus 77 of the 170 some off government programs he wants to start. Even their low estimate is that Obama will increase the debt to $4.3 trillion… and remember, that doesn’t include over 100 programs that were not included in their financial evaluation.

Obama claims the Heritage Foundation supports his tax plan. They’ve sent two letters from their legal counsel asking him to pull the ads as they misrepresent their position. Obama’s campaign ignores them. All he needs to do is push the propaganda campaign to the legal limits in order to brainwash the faithful into his deficient math.

It is true that you will never get “all” of anyone to agree on the financial analysis. Then again, that doesn’t seen to stop the AGW crowd from pushing their agenda. The point is, Brian, that many Obama supporters come here with their talking points as the absolute “truth”. And to that, I can only repeat your own words right back at ‘cha:

You know, just because you say it’s a fact, or you hear something you want to believe, inspite of your most heart felt desire, that does not make it a fact. You call them facts, I call it faith based.

I’d say you’d better halt the rock throwing from your own glass house. And generally, this crew here backs up their comments with informational links. Which is more than I can say you contributed to this thread.

You truly are comprehension challeneged, Brian. Actually, the Goldman Sachs was in deference to you and your guy. He’s the one with the Countrywide/Fannie/Freddie types in his back pocket, and this guy liked Obama… save that tax raising bit for the economy.

Wall Street is mixed on their support. Then again, what have they got to lose. A GOP POTUS, along with his banking Treasury Secy’, and backed by the DNC Congress and Obama 100%, are more than willing to bailout the banking industry. The latest bailout is for Umpqua here in the NW. Wasn’t even in trouble…. I guess the trend now is to bolster the banks in good standing so they can buy out the banks in trouble. That way we’ll have just a few banks, and evidently an end to monopoly laws as we know them.

Me personally? If you went to the $4.3 trillion link I put in there, that’s from the Tax Policy Center. And I place more faith in that than all others I’ve read.

But what alot of these comparisons are missing is the government expansion that Obama proposes, compared to McCain’s promise to take a much needed hatchet to the federal behemoth.

Frankly, I’m not sure if I can believe McCain will do that, and that makes me nervous. But I am 100% sure Obama will provide a government sponsored answer for your every need. Therefore his policies will not only be more expensive, but expand government control.

I’m not sure what you call Obama’s “social and economic justice” agenda for education, taxpayer funded health care, taxpayer funded work programs, taxpayer funded college and preschool, taxpayer funded energy programs, and so on down the line…. but that’s socialism. Don’t like the label? That’s your problem. Than call yourself a European social democracy advocate instead. You’ll feel better about yourself.

And considering what a rude SOB you are, I suspect you could use a bit more self esteem.

BTW, Brian… I gave you that link to the Business and Media org that you quoted. But I suggest you put the entire quotes in.

The entire passage from the misleading Obama
advertisement read as follows:

“Mr. Hederman said the middle class would likely pay less under Mr. Obama’s plan than Mr. McCain’s but that the Democrat was excessively reliant on complicated tax breaks that would make the tax code more confusing. ‘Instead of a grab bag of tax credits, lower the marginal rates,’ Mr. Hederman said.”

So you again do an Obama ad replay here, and pass that off as the Heritage’s position? Had you not done a selective lift/paste, looking for the highlighted words that suit your candidate’s position, you’d figure out you were doing nothing more than continuing the ad lies.

INRE the Weekly Standard, the economy was in a different status than today. So if you’d like to “contribute”, something that isn’t eight months old and outdated for today’s morphed proposals would be more appropriate.

Of course it’s not a “violation” to use the link, Brian. Be nice if you read them before the cut/paste trip tho. Let’ me try to make this more clear. You said:

And the Heritage Foundation says what? That the middle class would likely pay less under Mr. Obama’s plan than Mr. McCain’s but that the Democrat plan was excessively reliant on complicated tax breaks… http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20081029170224.aspx

It’s fine with me that Obama and the Coors-booze funded elitist Heritage Foundation aren’t soulmates- http://www.heritage.org/Support/about.cfm

The point of the Business and Media article I provided, and you excerpted, is that Obama is using the exact same quote that you repasted above as some sort of “truth”.

That’s the bloody problem! That is *not* a quote of Heritage’s Hederman, but a quote of the NY Sun’s Russell Berman. The journalist, according to Heritage, has erroneously encapsulized Hederman’s statement. The Obama campaign ran with Berman’s misinterpretation of Hederman, and then credited the journalist’s erroneous conclusion to Hederman.

Thus the letters. Berman got it wrong. Obama’s repeating Berman and attributing it to Heritage.

INRE links. Maybe I’m missing where you supposed linked to McCain’s site. In your post #123 – the only posts you provided any hotlinks – go to the Business and Media article I provided and discussed above, the Heritage Foundation itself, and an old Feb 2008 Weekly Standard article.

So what McCain webpage have you provided?

INRE “using an Obama supporter when it suits your needs”, if you go back thru any of my authored posts here, you’ll find I use pro/con sites in all or most. My use of an Obama supporter was in response to your comment above in #115:

Facts, or what some, not all, economists have supposedly claimed? Which is it? You know, there is a difference between facts and your opinion.

You’ll also note I stated in my response #122 that you’re never going to get 100% agreement from any analyst. I’m pointing out that even many Obama supporters find flaws with his notion that raising taxes in an economic downturn is just idiotic.

I derived my own opinion by the Tax Policy Center’s analysis, combined with Obama’s plans to expand the federal gov departments (at least he’ll create jobs…. paid by the taxpayer, of course) that were only partially included.

Then I took into consideration that when both candidates were asked what would they cut in today’s economy, McCain had a more realistic outloook that his plans from 8 months ago aren’t likely applicable today. Obama, however, constantly answered with the programs he would *not* cut, and that he would use a surgical “scalpel” with existing programs.

If Obama’s costs more than McCain’s with only 1/3 of his proposed programs included, and he’s not willing to cut wasteful government programs completely, then he’s already a more expensive POTUS.

The problem is Obama creates more departments than he will cut (if any….). The places he will reduce expenses will not provide the rate of return his economists say they will. Not to mention his ways of saving may cause unintended/ill thought consequences. i.e. on prescription drugs and cutting costs of Medicare, he wants to rely in importation of drugs from other countries.

This leaves us with two potential problems… either quality control. Or the loss of US pharmaceutical company jobs bcause of “outsourcing” the drug supply. But yet he whines about NAFTA/GATT/CAFTA?

And don’t even get me started on that one. You’re probably a Libertarian, and we could be here all night.

But no one wants to talk about this stuff…. all they hear is “tax cut for 95% of Americans”… and then? yada yada yada

After the Secret Service did a thorough investigation, they found the “kill him” remark unfounded. Never happened. You do know there are Secret Service members spread throughout all the crowds at all the events, or don’t you?

GFRR said:

Nonetheless, there is still a difference between individuals doing that and people in political office allowing that. If someone had yelled “Kill Her!” at an Obama rally against Palin, Obama would have to respond to earn respect. Palin lost respect because she didn’t do it. That’s either because she is ok with her rallies being hate parties or she just doesn’t want to step in as a leader.

The option you left out is the one that is fact… it simply never happened.

Instead you’re continuing to spread what is tandamount to another one of those media exaggerations, trying to be passed off as breaking news. Rather like that idiot Ron Paul supporter who claimed to be a McCain supporter and carved a B in her cheek?

Missy is unquestionably correct. Update your talking points, GFRR. Or go spread your lies elsewhere to those who don’t stay abreast of stuff.

Violence against ANYONE is wrong. Stop crying out against violence angainst women or blacks. Cry out against violence against anyone. Besides, we are guaranteed the freedom of expression by our constitution. You have the legal right to hang an effigy of anyone in your yard. It’s these PC liberal nazi college students that are the biggest threat against our freedom. Why don’t we just hang them?