“The picks say something profound about Obama: For all his self-confidence, the 47-year-old Illinois senator worried that he couldn’t beat Republican John McCain without help from a seasoned politician willing to attack.” Ron Fournier, Associated Press

What Biden REALLY thinks:

‘Just Words’ That Joe Biden Would Like To Forget
The curse of a loose mouth and Nexis.
By Jim Geraghty
National Review
August 20, 2008

On McCain:

The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who…”

Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.”

On Obama:

New York Observer interview: “But — and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable — he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy [Obama] who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”

interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”

Biden said in a campaign ad, “When this campaign is over, political slogans like ‘experience’ and ‘change’ will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.”

On Iraq:

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security… “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”

Biden in October of 2002: “We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.”

Biden, on Obama’s Iraq plan in August 2007: “I don’t want [my son] going [to Iraq],” Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. “But I tell you what, I don’t want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.” Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war. “There’s no political point worth my son’s life,” Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. “There’s no political point worth anybody’s life out there. None.”

Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: “We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out — equally a mistake.”

Analyzing the surge on Meet the Press, September 9, 2007: “I mean, the truth of the matter is that, that the — America’s — this administration’s policy and the surge are a failure, and that the surge, which was supposed to stop sectarian violence and — long enough to give political reconciliation, there’s been no political reconciliation… The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no, no real security in Baghdad and/or in Anbar province, where I was, dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence. Sectarian violence is as strong and as solid and as serious a problem as it was before the surge started.”

And it seems not every political analyst thinks Biden was the best pick:

Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence
Aug 23, 2008
By RON FOURNIER
Associated Press

DENVER (AP) – The candidate of change went with the status quo.

In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness – inexperience in office and on foreign policy – rather than underscore his strength as a new-generation candidate defying political conventions.

He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate – the ultimate insider – rather than a candidate from outside Washington, such as Govs. Tim Kaine of Virginia or Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas; or from outside his party, such as Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska; or from outside the mostly white male club of vice presidential candidates. Hillary Rodham Clinton didn’t even make his short list.

The picks say something profound about Obama: For all his self-confidence, the 47-year-old Illinois senator worried that he couldn’t beat Republican John McCain without help from a seasoned politician willing to attack. The Biden selection is the next logistical step in an Obama campaign that has become more negative – a strategic decision that may be necessary but threatens to run counter to his image.

A senior Obama adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity, said his boss has expressed impatience with what he calls a “reverence” inside his campaign for his message of change and new politics. In other words, Obama is willing – even eager – to risk what got him this far if it gets him to the White House.

So the question is whether Biden’s depth counters Obama’s inexperience – or highlights it?

After all, Biden is anything but a change agent, having been in office longer than half of all Americans have been alive. Longer than McCain.

Yep, even with all the “reverance” for empty slogans about “change” what does the Obama campaign do when it senses trouble? It goes out and picks another old white man to help out!

Then there is this:

The Case Against Joe Biden
By Chris Cilliza
Washington Post Blog
August 14, 2008

Joe Loves Joe

One of the most overlooked episodes during the 1987 collapse of Biden’s campaign was a snippet of footage captured by C-Span in which the Delaware senator, in response to a question about where he went to law school and what sort of grades he received, delivered this classic line: “I think I have a much higher IQ than you do.”

While any human being — especially a candidate for president who is constantly being poked and prodded — can be forgiven a momentary flash of temper, Biden’s detractors point to that incident as evidence that the senator thinks he is the bee’s knees and doesn’t care who knows it.

Biden, by his own admission, has the capacity to fall in love with his own voice and wander off on tangents about his life that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

During the 2006 confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, the Post’s Dana Milbank wrote this of Biden’s performance:

“Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., in his first 12 minutes of questioning the nominee, managed to get off only one question. Instead, during his 30-minute round of questioning, Biden spoke about his own Irish American roots, his “Grandfather Finnegan,” his son’s application to Princeton (he attended the University of Pennsylvania instead, Biden said), a speech the senator gave on the Princeton campus, the fact that Biden is “not a Princeton fan,” and his views on the eyeglasses of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).”

Ouch.

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Mark Kraft
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What the McCain campaign forgot was the full, very embarrassing context of the quote.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=125441&title=Joe-Biden-Pt,-2

…basically, Biden told the Daily Show back in 2005 that he urged John McCain to switch parties and run as John Kerry’s running mate.

To make matters worse for McCain, he denied this fact initially when asked by the NY Times only to completely blow up at a NYT reporter when confronted on his lie, finally admitting it, and claiming that it was common knowledge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg2NxBCFr84

The video of this is very embarrassing for McCain, and reenforces a lot of the negative perceptions people have about him.

More info below, with the interview transcript, supporting links, etc. Feel free to yoink at your leisure…

http://insomnia.livejournal.com/823964.html

August 23rd, 2008 at 11:09 am
Marion A. Valentine
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It doesn’t matter that Jo Biden is the VP pick, it doesn’t matter about race, religion or gender. Obama is a SOLICIAST, tutored in Marxist idealogy at the feet of Frank Marshal Davis from the time he was a young lad till he moved to Chicago. And that scares the hell out of this 67 yo disabled Navy Cryptologist. I gave up too many years of my life and my health breaking the codes of Socialist enemies of freedom and Democracy not to be afraid of Obama.

August 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
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There was a question on a local radio program, Roger Hedgecock (San Diego based), regarding the citizenship of John McCain. The link below features U.S. Senate resolution 511, passed on April 30, 2008, which resolves that, “John McCain is a natural born citizen.”

John McCain Senate Resolution 511

As to the idea that Joe Biden could possibly be an asset to Obama’s campaign; check out the liberal MSM (and other liberal blogs) and note that even they have their reservations about the V.P. choice.

View Ron Rosenbaum http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2008/08/23/a-huge-mistake/

Obama has flip-flopped again. No change for Obama.

August 23rd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
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Marion: It’s a shame you missed the exchange we had on here a while back with a commenter claiming to be Frank Marxist Davis’s son. After attempting to distract the discussion by refuting some over the top comments about about his father he admitted that yes, he was a radical and did have close ties to communists (though whether he actually worshipped Josef Stalin in person remains doubtful.)

You are correct that we often do get off the main track here which is to focus on the radical policies Obama would enact if he were elected. But we do have to start laying the foundation to present that contast so questions of character and those Obama chooses to surround himself with are important.

Adrian: Thanks for sharing the link to the Ronsenbaum piece. I’ve checked at the Daily Kooks and they were less than thrilled too. The Hillaryites are also going to be disappointed that once again, women are excluded.

Here’s an excerpt from the Rosenbaum piece:

Biden’s sagacity and earnestness act would only go over in the class of dummies that is the U.S. Senate..

But a huge mistake by Obama in choosing a self-important clown for vice president, a choice that is the gift that will keep on giving to his opponent throughout the rest of the election. Biden has proven himself incapable of opening his mouth without making you cringe at his self-congratulatory pretentiousness.

But why? One thing I always felt about Obama was that he wouldn’t be rolled, played, by traditonal pols. And yet there is evidence that’s what happened. It turns out he surrounded himself with top staffers from loser hacks like Dick Gephardt, the kind of people who are revered in the Senate “class of dummies” I referred to. Beltway brilliant. Smart only in sucking up to reporters. The only kind of people who could take Joe Biden seriously and don’t realize how they’ve betrayed the trust of Obama supporters who believed that he was something different. Not only betrayed his supporters, betrayed Obama.

And he seems to have listenened to them. What other explanation for picking a fool who tried to pander to southrn racists in the primaries by calling his own state, Delaware, a “former slave state”. Which he somehow seemed to think would give him common ground with voters proud of their former slave state status. [corected error here:Delaware, a former slave state was not a Confederate state, which led to confusion on my part. Mea culpa]. Sorry, this man is a shameful blowhard. Anyone who watched him ask his painfully obvious attempts to show-off phony constitutional erudition at a Supreme Court nominee’s hearing could tell you this.

Doesn’t it count that he used an unmistakable racist slur to describe Obama (He’s “clean” unlike I guess, all the other people of color Biden has encountered in his “former slave state”. The people of color who didn’t work in 7-11s which is apparently all Biden knew of his state’s Indian citizens).

The guy is a walking gaffe, and not innocent gaffes but one that reveal a confused dim witted persona inside.

I have to admit I’m in a state of shock.

August 23rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Marion A. Valentine
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Mike, i’m sorry I missed that exchange too, but am new at this.Something just didn’t seem right about Obama, so started digging, and with help from some old Naval Cryptological Veterans started sharing what we could find. Especially his connection with Frank Marshal Davis, whom I remember reading a file on while i was in Navy Intelligence, (I served from 1958-1967) and still had a top secret clearence.
Now i’m just a UFOF (ugly, forgetful, old, fart) without the “need to know”

August 23rd, 2008 at 8:05 pm
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Marion: Here’s the link to the Aug. 12th post on the subject of Obama’s associations:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/12/%e2%80%9cbarack-guilty-by-association%e2%80%9d-reader-post/#comments

You might find Mark Davis’s transparent attempt to obfuscate the issue of his father’s radicalism very interesting.

One source I found useful was this academic paper which nonetheless confirms Davis’s ties to radical labor leaders with strong ties to the Communist Party:

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~takara/frank_marshall_davis.htm

It’s clear from Obama’s own writings that he was profoundly affected by the anti-imperialist, “progressive” radical left mentality that Davis represented.

August 23rd, 2008 at 8:22 pm

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