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Aug

Consequences Grow as Russia’s Invasion of Georgia Continues

Posted by: Mike's America @ 9:30 pm in Uncategorized

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As Russian troops continue to violate the cease fire agreement (photos here) and push deeper into areas of Georgia previously unaffected by the war, the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov defiantly sneered:

“One can forget about any talk about Georgia’s territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state,” Lavrov told reporters.

This was on the same day that both Lavrov and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev met at the Kremlin with the leaders of Georgia’s two separatist provinces; a clear sign some analysts believe that Moscow could absorb the regions.

Consequences of Russia’s action continue to grow as Poland declared on Thursday that it had agreed to a long stalled deal with the U.S. on basing missile defense components on Polish territory.

U.S. and Poland set missile deal
By Thom Shanker and Nicholas Kulish
International Herald Tribune
August 15, 2008

The deal reflected growing alarm in countries like Poland, once a conquered Soviet client state, about a newly rich and powerful Russia’s intentions in its former cold war sphere of power. In fact, negotiations dragged on for 18 months — but were completed only as old memories and new fears surfaced in recent days.

Those fears were codified to some degree in what Polish and American officials characterized as unusual aspects of the final deal: that at least temporarily American soldiers would staff air defense sites in Poland oriented toward Russia, and that the United States would be obliged to defend Poland in case of an attack with greater speed than required under NATO, of which Poland is a member.

Polish officials said the agreement would strengthen the mutual commitment of the United States to defend Poland, and vice versa. “Poland and the Poles do not want to be in alliances in which assistance comes at some point later — it is no good when assistance comes to dead people,” the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, said on Polish television. “Poland wants to be in alliances where assistance comes in the very first hours of — knock on wood — any possible conflict.”

Meanwhile, the Kremlin appears to be dusting off it’s Cold War playbook as it responds with the laughable propaganda that so many of us remember from earlier days:

Kremlin dusts off Cold War lexicon to make US villain in Georgia
by Charles Bremner in Moscow
London Times
August 15, 2008

Russians were told over breakfast yesterday what really happened in Georgia: the conflict in South Ossetia was part of a plot by Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, to stop Barak Obama being elected president of the United States.

The line came on the main news of Vesti FM, a state radio station that — like the Government and much of Russia’s media — has reverted to the old habits of Soviet years, in which a sinister American hand was held to lie behind every conflict, especially those embarrassing to Moscow. Modern Russia may be plugged into the internet and the global marketplace but in the battle for world opinion the Kremlin is replaying the old black-and-white movie.

The Obama angle is getting wide play. It was aired on Wednesday by Sergei Markov, a senior political scientist who is close to Vladimir Putin, the Prime Minister and power behind President Medvedev.

“George Bush’s Administration is promoting interests of candidate John McCain,” said Dr Markov. “Defeated by Barak Obama on all fronts, McCain has one last card to play yet - the creation of a virtual Cold War with Russia . . . Bush himself did not want a war in South Ossetia but his Republican Party did not leave him any choice.” The Americans were now engineering an armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia, Dr Markov added.

That silly attempt to blame the Bush Administration for the war in Georgia is one that instantly gained credibility among the Bush haters in the U.S. who even at the worst of times are willing dupes for Russian propaganda.

But that notion is put to rest by the following excellent analysis offered by Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor in the Carter White House and professor of National Security topics in courses I took at Columbia University in the late 1980’s.

The lefties who so loved Brzezinski these past few years when he was criticizing President Bush won’t be so eager to praise him now, but Dr. Brzezinski is right on target:

Staring Down the Russians
By ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI
Time Magazine
Aug. 14, 2008

The end of the Cold War was supposed to usher in a new age in which the major powers would no longer dictate to their neighbors how to run their affairs. That is why Russia’s invasion of Georgia is so tragic and so potentially ominous. Russia is now on watch: Will it continue to rely on coercion to achieve its imperial aims or is it willing to work within the emerging international system that values cooperation and consensus?

Moscow’s ruthless attempt to suborn, subdue and subordinate this tiny, independent democracy is reminiscent of Stalin’s times. The assault on Georgia is similar to what Stalin’s Soviet Union did to Finland in 1939: in both cases, Moscow engaged in an arbitrary, brutal and irresponsible use of force to impose domination over a weaker, democratic neighbor. The question now is whether the global community can demonstrate to the Kremlin that there are costs for the blatant use of force on behalf of anachronistic imperialist goals.

This conflict has been brewing for years. Russia has deliberately instigated the breakup of Georgian territory. Moscow has promoted secessionist activities in several Georgian provinces: Abkhazia, Ajaria and, of course, South Ossetia. It has sponsored rebellious governments in these territories, armed their forces and even bestowed Russian citizenship on the secessionists. These efforts have intensified since the emergence in Georgia of a democratic, pro-Western government. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s resentment toward Georgia and its President, the U.S.-educated Mikheil Saakashvili, has seemingly become a personal obsession.

The international community has not done enough to push back. In recent weeks, a series of incidents along the fragile cease-fire lines that cut across Georgian territory helped prompt the escalation of violence, including Georgia’s abortive effort to remove the “government” of South Ossetia, a small region with a population of about 70,000 people. That rash action was perhaps unwise, but it is evident from Russia’s military response that Moscow was waiting for such an act to provide a pretext for the use of force. Large Russian contingents quickly swept into South Ossetia and then into Georgia, sending tanks to Gori and bombing Gori and the capital, Tbilisi.

Russia’s aggression toward Georgia should not be viewed as an isolated incident. The fact is, Putin and his associates in the Kremlin don’t accept the post-Soviet realities. Putin was sincere when he declared some time ago that in his view, the dissolution of the Soviet Union was “the greatest geopolitical disaster of the [20th] century.” Independent democracies like Georgia and Ukraine, for the Putin regime, are not only historical anomalies, but also represent a direct political threat.

Ukraine could well be the next flash point. The Russian leadership has already openly questioned whether it needs to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity. Russian leaders have also remarked that Crimea, a part of Ukraine, should once again be joined to Russia. Similarly, Russian pressure on Moldova led to the effective partition of that small former Soviet republic. Moscow is also continuing to try to economically isolate central Asian neighbors like Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. And the Baltic nations of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have been the object of various threats from Russia, including economic sanctions and disruptive cyberwarfare.

The stakes are high. Ultimately, the independence of the post-Soviet states is at risk. Russia seems committed to the notion that there should be some sort of supranational entity, governed from the Kremlin, that would oversee much of the former Soviet territories. This attitude reflects in part the intense nationalistic mood that now permeates Russia’s political élite. Vladimir Putin, former President and now Prime Minister, is riding this nationalist wave, exploiting it politically and propagating it with the Russian public. Some now even talk of a renewed Russian military presence in Cuba as a form of retaliation against the U.S. for its support of the independence of the post-Soviet states.

For the West, especially the U.S., the conflict between Russia and Georgia poses both moral and geostrategic challenges. The moral dimension is self-evident: a small country that gained its independence only recently, after almost two centuries of Russian domination, deserves international support that goes beyond simple declarations of sympathy. Then there are questions of geostrategy. An independent Georgia is critical to the international flow of oil. A pipeline for crude oil now runs from Baku in Azerbaijan, on the Caspian Sea, through Georgia to the Turkish Mediterranean coast. The link provides the West access to the energy resources of central Asia. If that access is cut, the Western world will lose an important opportunity to diversify its sources of energy.

The West needs to respond to Russia’s aggression in a clear and determined manner. That doesn’t mean with force. Nor should it fall into a new cold war with Russia. But the West, particularly the U.S., should continue to mobilize the international community to condemn Russia’s behavior. Presidential candidates Barack Obama (whom I support) and John McCain should endorse President George W. Bush’s efforts to oppose Russia’s actions and form a bipartisan stand on this issue. It is unfortunate that some of the candidates’ supporters are engaging in pointless criticism of each other’s public statements on the Georgia crisis. This is too important for that.

It is premature to specify what precise measures the West should adopt. But Russia must be made to understand that it is in danger of becoming ostracized internationally. This should be a matter of considerable concern to Russia’s new business élite, who are increasingly vulnerable to global financial pressure. Russia’s powerful oligarchs have hundreds of billions of dollars in Western bank accounts. They would stand to lose a great deal in the event of a Cold War–style standoff that could conceivably result, at some stage, in the West’s freezing of such holdings.

At some point, the West should consider the Olympic option. If the issue of Georgia’s territorial integrity is not adequately resolved (by, for example, the deployment in South Ossetia and Abkhazia of a truly independent international security force replacing Russian troops), the U.S. should contemplate withdrawing from the 2014 Winter Games, to be held in the Russian city of Sochi, next to the violated Georgia’s frontier. There is a precedent for this. I was part of the Carter Administration when we brandished the Olympic torch as a symbolic weapon in 1980, pulling out of the Summer Games in Moscow after the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The Soviet Union had planned a propaganda show reminiscent of Hitler’s 1936 Olympics in Berlin. America’s boycott delivered a body blow to President Leonid Brezhnev and his communist system and prevented Moscow from enjoying a world-class triumph.

The Georgian crisis is a critical test for Russia. If Putin sticks to his guns and subordinates Georgia and removes its freely elected President — something Putin’s Foreign Minister has explicitly called for — it is only a question of time before Moscow turns up the heat on Ukraine and the other independent but vulnerable post-Soviet states. The West has to respond carefully but with a moral and strategic focus. Its objective has to be a democratic Russia that is a constructive participant in a global system based on respect for sovereignty, law and democracy. But that objective can be achieved only if the world makes clear to Moscow that a stridently nationalistic Russia will not succeed in any effort to create a new empire in our postimperial age.



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Victoria
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your beloved Brzezinski is a vile liar!
“Large Russian contingents quickly swept into South Ossetia and then into Georgia, sending tanks to Gori and bombing Gori and the capital, Tbilisi.”
If he is so ignorant about the fact that Tbilisi and Gori was not bombed at all, I can make only one conclusion: he gets his facts from CNN, where I’ve heard a lot of nonsense! If he lies about this, undoubtedly he lies about the rest.

August 15th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Victoria
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and if he says about the false Russian propoganda, I can say without any hesitation that the US has it’s own inveracious propoganda!

August 15th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Caucaus
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Mike;
You must not take a stand on a subject you know very little about. First of all there is more to this defensive of Russia than you are educated about. I am from this area
The Georgian army teamed with Israeli military advisors assisted in invadsion of S. Ossetian on 8/8/08. S. Ossetian has been a seperatist/independent area with it’s OWN government and capital/president. The 98% of the citizens of S. Ossetian are Russian.

The Georgian Army and the Israeli advisors bombed, raped, burned the capital of S. Ossetian
performing ethinic cleansing on Russian citizens. In addition to 1500 civlians that were butchered by the Georgian Army, they killed 18 Russian Peace Keepers.

Yes, Russia retaliated into the interior of Georgia. Yes, Georgian troops were more concerned about the pipeline being bombed. Russia cannot and will not give in to terrorist actions of invasion. When the Checyna Moslems took over a Russian School 4 years ago, the Russians piped in Gas where the terrorists were. They killed them all but unfortunately a lot of innocent people were killed. But as a result, Russia doesn’t have the issues many other countries have with terrorism.
The president of Georgia (not a stranger to violence, remember Stalin was Georgian) has long disputed with this independent section and wants this territory within the controls of Georgia. Crying to the USA (because of our OIL investment and to Europe that it is now supplying)

The other important fact here is OIL, OIL OIL< Caspian Oil with investments from the USA, BP OIL, Turkey, Azerbaijan and Israel was formed to drill for oil in Azerbaijan running a pipeline through Georgia to Turkey’s ports to supply Western Europe. 4 weeks ago Kurds sabotaged part of the pipeline.
Traditional the majority of fuel and energy had been supplied to Europe by Russia. This deal cut Russia and Iran off.
Georgia the second country to adopt Christianity prostituted themselves off to Moslem countries and America/UK for pipeline money. They have long had strains with the Russians because of their inability to be loyal to any one country. Even a fellow Christian Nation.

Georgia needed to be brought under control, if you knew how much of your tax dollars went to support this pipeline and how much went into military supplies for Georgia you would cringe at this back room deals fellow Texans and oil people like Bush and Hunt have made.

Lastly, President Bush has no room to tell anyone or any country to back off. Look at the slaughter we have done to the innocent people of Iraq? Over 150,000 civlians dead, 4,500+ American soliders dead and about 600,000 people injured. Not to mention the 3 million refugee Iraqis Christian ARmenians, Assyrians, Moslems, Yedzjis, Kurds that have had to flee their country because of our stupidilty and hunger for OIL< OIL< OIL.
And YOU THOUGHT NONE OF THIS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH OIL?????read sources below
http://debka.com/article.php?aid=1358
Hebrew Israeli paper and their involvement in the ethnic cleansing and pipeline
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_georgia_middleman
US Economic Stake in Georgia

August 15th, 2008 at 12:45 am
yonason
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The fuit of “a dangerous precedent”
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“Brzezinski is a vile liar” — Victoria

So I’ve heard. Actually, I prefer “pond scum,” myself. I mean, he is an Obama adviser and an ex-Clintonista (co-author of the loss of Iran to the Islamists).

I have no idea how Brzezinski has become such a neocon of late, though I would suspect it’s a cynical attempt at making Obama look tough, which neither one is, at least not ever in the right ways in the past. I don’t trust him, or his opinions, and even if I hear him say things I might otherwise agree with, he would not be one of the “authorities” I would rely on to make my case. It has to do with his lack of credibility, and so not wanting to give credence to his other crackpot notions.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2007/08/zbignew-brezezinksi-barack-obama-and.html
“”Obama is clearly more effective and has the upper hand,” Brzezinski…said. “He has a sense of what is historically relevant, and what is needed from the United States in relationship to the world.” “ — (excuse me while I hurl)

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2008/02/just-4-years.html
“The Carter Administration weakened the Shah and opened the door for his overthrow. With the Shah overthrown, the Carter Administration favored the Ayatollah Khomeni under Brzezinski’s green belt policy (Brez is back as Obama’s foreign policy advisor) and his failure to react usefully to the hostage crisis solidified Khomeni’s power. The Iranian threat today and the rise of Shia terrorism can all be traced back to the Carter Administration.

Brzezinski and Carter also began backing and funding Islamic terrorists in Pakistan via ISI. Indirectly this led to the growth of Islamic terrorism operating out of Pakistan, that continues to be a second home for Al Queda.”

http://www.mmisi.org/ir/21_02/eidelberg.pdf
“That is why Marxism … represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man’s universal vision. Marxism is simultaneoulsy a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief:…” — Professor Paul Eidelberg quoting Brzezinski

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/27/top-obama-adviser-accuses-jews-of-mccarthyism/

Using Brzezinski’s thoughts in an attempt to bolster any argument is what I would call another “very dangerous precedent.”

August 15th, 2008 at 4:33 am
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Yonason: Next week when Zbig praises Obama Victoria will be hailing him as a hero.

As for Caucaus, I’d say he flings that “ignorant” label around with the same zeal and towards the same purpose as Victoria.

Both of them willing dupes for the Soviets Russians.

As for Brzezinski, I don’t hold him in the disregard that you do, or that the left does when it’s convenient. I don’t agree with him when he’s bashing Bush. He does that to sell books and try and remain relevant as turned 80 years old in March. But, I learned first hand that he understands the issues of Eastern Europe very clearly and as someone born in Poland he has a strong attachment to their sad history.

And it’s that experience we are focusing on today with the resurgence of an aggresive imperialist Russia threatening it’s neighbors.

Both Caucaus and Victoria would like to take our eye off that problem, but it’s one that’s not going away and has only gotten worse the longer we have avoided dealing with it.

P.S. I’m surprised that neither Victoria nor Caucaus went after the Missile Defense agreement with Poland. Along with controlling energy supplies to Western Europe, preventing U.S. missile defense in Europe is their next objective.

August 15th, 2008 at 7:20 am
William C.
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I see the Pravda disinformazia team and its amen-corner are out in force.

Denials of the smashing of Gori are especially stupid now that the press and NGO’s have got in there and reported on- the smashing of Gori.

Russia has been preparing this invasion for months: there’s nothing spontaneous about it. Georgia took the bait, true- but it *was* bait: the Ossetian separatist’s shelling of Georgian towns, cynically designed by the Kremlin as a pretext for the conquest they have been setting up since April.

Meanwhile, Russian claims of ‘genocide’ and ‘ethnic cleansing’ in S Ossetia have been completely debunked- but the Ossetian militias moving in the wake of the Russian coumns are most assuredly engaged in scorched earth and ethnic cleansing against Georgians.

The *one* area where the Russian tale has any force lies in the comparison with Kosovo. They’re right. The EU and US were fools (and it was obvious at the time) to recognize Kosovas sovereignty.

August 15th, 2008 at 7:23 am
yonason
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Mike’sAmerica

My feelings for Brzezinski are mostly based on his blatant anti-Semitism, …and a close second is his support for Islam and love of Communism (see quote from Prof., Eidelberg, above). His “expertise” is so compromised by his biases that I don’t feel comfortable using him as a reference when that could imply that I might agree with him on his other really really bad ideas (that’s why I don’t use Bush’s statements; or, if I do, not without adding a cautionary, “BUT only in this case, and not necessarily for the same reasons…”

If a company has an employee who regularly starts fires by trowing lit matches in trash cans, endangering the company and all it’s employees, you don’t give him a reward just because he happened to put one of those fires out once.
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“Yonason: Next week when Zbig praises Obama Victoria will be hailing him as a hero.” — Mike’s America

A perfect example what why I won’t be quoting Z.B. this week, when I’ll only have to be trashing him next.

It’s like that nut Barry Chamish who may actually be accidentally right about 1 or 2 things, but is wrong on everything else. I refuse to use him as support for anything, because it poisons the case.

August 15th, 2008 at 8:25 am
yonason
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That’s odd - Is my response to William C. in the Spam bin? (In short, I agreed).

August 15th, 2008 at 8:47 am
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I found Zbig to be a neocon before being a neocon was cool. Now that’s it not cool to be a neocon anymore, he’s morphed to something else.

I never found him to be anti-semitic and we spent hours discussing the Middle East peace process.

And as for communism, I couldn’t disagree more. He profoundly understood the problem, even as the rest of Columbia University was caught up in Gorbachev worship.

I knew all I had to do to get an “A” for the day in doctoral level seminar on National Security (ten grad students locked in an windowlesss oak paneled room with Zbig for an hour a week) was to relate how the Soviet problem and issues of Poland were not going to go away no matter what new face was in the Kremlin.

August 15th, 2008 at 9:23 am
yonason
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Fascinating, Mike!

(note that I reserve the right to retain my negative impressions of him until I see the evidence for myself, but I certainly can’t accuse you of not having what to rely on.) Anyway, so perhaps with the caveat that he’s a reliable expert on Russia, I might be able to buy it (with money back guarantee?), especially if you are selling.

Thanks

UPDATE: “Obama has received generous support from billionaire George Soros. In recent years, Soros has devoted himself to replacing politicians who support fighting the forces of global terror and supporting Israel with politicians who support appeasing jihadists and dumping Israel.
As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama opposed defining Iran’s Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist group. He calls for the US to withdraw from Iraq - only to return if genocide is being carried out
[Like that's not one of the major things we were fighting against for the last few years?] and then, only as part of an international force [Riiight, like that's going to happen!]. He also supports opening negotiations with Iran even if the Iranians continue to enrich uranium. In forming these views, he is assisted by his foreign policy team which includes ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI, Mark Brzezinski, Anthony Lake, Susan Rice and Robert Malley.
All of these people are known either for their anti-Israel views or their pro-Arab views - or both.”

August 15th, 2008 at 9:30 am
yonason
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I just found this, from Caroline Glick, whose attention to detail and devotion to truth place her among the very best journalists writing today.

“In their statements Wednesday on Russia’s invasion of Georgia, both US President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice openly acknowledged that Russia is the aggressor in the war and that the US stands by Georgia.

This is all very nice and well. But what does the fact that it took the US a full five days to issue a clear statement against Russian aggression tell us about the US? What does it say about Georgia and, in a larger sense, about the nature of world affairs?

Russia’s blitzkrieg in Georgia this week was not simply an act of aggression against a small, weak democracy. It was an assault on vital Western security interests. Since it achieved independence in 1990, Georgia has been the only obstacle in Russia’s path to exerting full control over oil supplies from Central Asia to the West. And now, in the aftermath of Russia’s conquest of Georgia, that obstacle has been set aside.

Georgia has several oil and gas pipelines that traverse its territory from Azerbaijan to Turkey, the main one being the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. Together they transport more than 1 percent of global oil supplies from east to west. In response to the Russian invasion, British Petroleum, which owns the pipelines, announced that it will close them.

This means that Russia has won. In the future that same oil and gas will either be shipped through Russia, or it will be shipped through Georgia under the benevolent control of Russian “peacekeeping” forces permanently stationed in Gori. The West now has no option other than appeasing Russia if it wishes to receive its oil from the Caucasus.

Russian control of these oil arteries represents as significant a threat to Western strategic interests as Saddam Hussein’s conquest of Kuwait and his threat to invade Saudi Arabia in 1990. Like Saddam’s aggression then, Russia’s takeover of Georgia threatens the stability of the international economy.

The rest of the article goes into details you won’t find in any of the MSM rags. (The end is more pertinent to Israel than the US, but it does show the consistent pattern of betrayed promises to all. - I.e., Georgia, your screwed, too!)

And Pelosi is still on vacation, and still opposes drilling here and now, preferring to be at the mercy of the Arabs and the Russians. I would ask, “How stupid can they be?” but I know better. They are only Democrats, after all.

August 15th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Bubba Thudd
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“One can forget about any talk about Georgia’s territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state,” Lavrov told reporters.

Russia was able to “persuade” Chechnya to be forced back into the Russian state. Why can’t Georgia do the same with its rebellious provinces?

August 15th, 2008 at 11:15 am
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Bubba: Georgia’s ill considered action regarding S. Ossetia was response to the baited trap Russia had set. Too bad the Georgians fell for it, but if it they had not, Russia would have tried something else. They’ve been planning something like this for a while now.

Yonason: No problem with me if you don’t have the same regard for Zbig that I do. I was disappointed that he seemed to go off the reservation these last few years. It’s probably because he, like Scowcroft and others are sooooo 20th Century and feel left out of the game now that they are very senior citizens.

This is not to say they cannot make vital contributions. But it’s they can’t go back to their glory days and they know it.

Besides, if you want to know who really messed things up in the Carter Administration, you don’t need to blame Zbig. He was one of the few voices of sanity. Jimmy and Cyrus Vance were idiots by comparison.

P.S. I like Caroline Glick!

August 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
yonason
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“Jimmy and Cyrus Vance were idiots by comparison.” — M.A.

No argument there! After all, if Z.B. did offer good advice, how would we know it with Carter in charge, eh?

“P.S. I like Caroline Glick!” — M.A.

I’ve had a “crush” on her writing since I first read it. It’s the way I would wright if I could - everything fits together so well, it’s almost “archatectural” in design. That, and she’s almost always right! (… much more so than the vast majority of others who cover the same topics).

…..and she can spell, too.

August 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Neo
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it is no good when assistance comes to dead people.

That about says it all.

August 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Scrapiron
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Caucaus, Comparing a war to liberate 50 million people to a war to put 50 million people under communism is a trait of an anti-american democrat. I know you got that comparison from the retards on CNN as I was visiting (CNN never graces my home) and saw some nut as he was spouting what you copied and spewed on here.

The U.S. can only look from the sidelines since Slick Willie destroyed the U.S. military during the 90’s. Due to the destruction of the military we are now and always be another ‘weak’ country watching from the sidelines. The Russians have been watching with interest as the cowards of this country attempted to surrender in Iraq (as they did in Vietnam with the loss of 3-5 million lives, blood on all democrats hands then and today), and they knew the time was right to start putting the USSR back togather. I’m 67 and will live through it but the young people in this country will pay, and pay dearly for the acts of the cowardly democrat party. Give people like Hussein O and the current democrats time to ‘disarm’ the American people, and the military as Hussein O has vowed to do, and the U.S. can and will be another Georgia.

“…I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” B Hussein Obama,

page 261 of his book, Audacity of Hope…

Based on his actions and words the past few days he also stands with the communist. He had a great communist teacher (mentor) at one time and after years of lying, finally admits it.

August 15th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
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Oh my! I thought the Soviet Union had been defeated without firing a shot. I guess the shots are being fired now.

A few hours ago, Russia warned Poland they risk attack, possibly nuke, over the antii-missile system the US and Poland have agreed to. The Russian Black Sea fleet is ignorring Ukrainian orders to stay out of Ukrainian waters once they’ve sailed for Georgia and are threatening aggression there, too. Threats and/or agression against Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia can’t be too far off.

August 15th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

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