“Settled science”? 31,072 American scientists
just say NO to AGW “concensus”

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The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine – an organization poo poo’ed by AGW proponents as insignificant, ties to “big oil”… the usual mantra – has released the results of their petition drive to American scientists. 31,072 of them who reject the assertation that global warming is a crisis, or that it is caused by human activity.

The release of the list has managed to elude most MSM outlets, but can be found reported in Heartland Organization’s July 2008 newsletter, Environment & Climate News.

Tho SourceWatch has a less than complimentary review of both the OISM and it’s head, Arthur Robinson, the petition has garnered the support of credible scholars.

The current list of 31,072 petition signers includes 9,021 PhD; 6,961 MS; 2,240 MD and DVM; and 12,850 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.

All of the listed signers have formal educations in fields of specialization that suitably qualify them to evaluate the research data related to the petition statement. Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.

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Outlined below are the numbers of Petition Project signatories, subdivided by educational specialties. These have been combined, as indicated, into seven categories.

1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences includes 3,697 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.

2. Computer and mathematical sciences includes 903 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.

3. Physics and aerospace sciences include 5,691 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties of gases, liquids, and solids, which are essential to understanding the physical properties of the atmosphere and Earth.

4. Chemistry includes 4,796 scientists trained in the molecular interactions and behaviors of the substances of which the atmosphere and Earth are composed.

5. Biology and agriculture includes 2,924 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of living things on the Earth.

6. Medicine includes 3,069 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of human beings on the Earth.

7. Engineering and general science includes 9,992 scientists trained primarily in the many engineering specialties required to maintain modern civilization and the prosperity required for all human actions, including environmental programs.

The following outline gives a more detailed analysis of the signers’ educations.

(continue reading the qualifications here…)

The Salem-News weighed in on the petition’s progress back in June, saying:

As the Senate prepares for floor debate on global warming legislation, the list of scientist signatories to the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine’s petition against global warming alarmism is growing by about 35 signatures every day, announced OISM’s Art Robinson.

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Signatories include such luminaries as theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson, MIT’s atmospheric physicist Richard Lindzen and first National Academy of Sciences president Frederick Seitz. More than 40 signatories are members of the prestigious national Academy of Sciences.

The purpose of the Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of “settled science” and an overwhelming “consensus” in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climatological damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.

The petition was mailed out, along with a cover letter from Professor Frederick Seitz – former President of the Nat’l Academy of Sciences.

Elected to the National Academy of Sciences in 1951, Seitz served as president on a part-time basis for three years before assuming full-time responsibilities in 1965. Among his numerous honors and awards, Seitz received the Franklin Medal in 1965; Stanford University’s Herbert Hoover Medal in 1968; the United States Department of Defense Distinguished Service Award in 1968; the National Aeronautics and Space Administration’s Distinguished Public Service Award in 1969 and 1979; the Compton Award, the highest award of the American Institute of Physics, in 1970; and the James Madison Medal of Princeton University in 1978. Rockefeller University awarded him an honorary doctor of science degree in 1981 and the David Rockefeller Award for Extraordinary Service to The Rockefeller University in 2000. In addition to Rockefeller, 31 universities in the United States and abroad awarded him honorary degrees.

Seitz was a member of numerous scientific organizations, including the American Physical Society (president, 1961), the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the American Philosophical Society, the American Society for Metals, the American Institute of Mining, Metallurgy and Petroleum Engineers, the American Crystallographic Society, the Optical Society of America, the Washington Academy of Science and a number of European scientific academies. From 1978 to 1983 he served as vice chairman of the board of trustees of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center.

Robinson, himself a biochemist specialist, is described by SourceWatch as an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for “parents concerned about socialism in the public schools” and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war. The entire history by the site offers the usual progressive “snear” in flavor, but provides a career overview that reveals a man with a more than interesting past.

SourceWatch’s dated commentary on the petition, states:

When questioned in 1998, OISM’s Arthur Robinson admitted that only 2,100 signers of the Oregon Petition had identified themselves as physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, or meteorologists, “and of those the greatest number are physicists.” This grouping of fields concealed the fact that only a few dozen, at most, of the signatories were drawn from the core disciplines of climate science – such as meteorology, oceanography, and glaciology – and almost none were climate specialists. The names of the signers are available on the OISM’s website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all.

What a difference a decade makes, along with the AGW religion shoved down the world’s throats. A settled science and consensus? Not by a long shot. And as time marches on, the temperatures fall, the JPL’s Auru satellite measuring systems start filling in stratosphere data not previously measured, the numbers of skeptics grow.

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I think it must be quite obvious to everyone by now that all 31, 072 scientists are shills for Big Oil. What I want to know is: how do I get on that payroll? Is there some kind of secret handshake or mailing list? Does the money transfer have to take place in a darkened alley in the dead of night, ’cause I’d rather meet in a public park or a cosy bistro. If truth be known, I’m a little paranoid of dark alleys since that unfortunate PETA incident. Anyway, I really want to know. I could use the cash.

Signed,

Hopeful Skeptic

I have been trying to tell people about the non “consensus” for a while now, where is my big check from the “Big Oil” comapanies?????

It is obvious that the Disciples of the Goracle poo poo anyone that does not go along with their “consensus” and say that it must be “Big Oil” behind them. Well, who is behind Goracle’s Church????? “Big Environmentalist” and governments.

There appears to be a real lack of independent verification in the petition’s history; if you couple that with its association to oil money you end up losing verification and objectivity …two traits in the history of science so esteemed, without their practice, judgment and guidance we would still be doing alchemy.


Because of various criticisms made of the two Leipzig Declarations, the Oregon Petition Project claimed to adopt a number of measures, though none of these claims have been independently verified:

* The petitioners could submit responses only by physical mail, not electronic mail, to limit fraud. Older signatures submitted via the web were not removed. The verification of the scientists was listed at 95%,[18] but the means by which this verification was done was not specified.
* Signatories to the petition were requested to list an academic degree. As of 2007, about 2400 people in addition to the original 17,100 signatories were “trained in fields other than science or whose field of specialization was not specified on their returned petition.” The petition sponsors stated that approximately two thirds held higher degrees, but provided no details confirming this claim. [18] As of 2008, the petition’s website states that “The current list of 31,072 petition signers includes 9,021 PhD; 6,961 MS; 2,240 MD and DVM; and 12,850 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.” [2]
* Petitioners were also requested to list their academic discipline. The petition sponsors state the following numbers of individuals from each discipline: 1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences: 3,697; 2. Computer and mathematical sciences: 903; 3. Physics and aerospace sciences: 5,691; 4. Chemistry: 4,796; 5. Biology and agriculture: 2,924; 6. Medicine: 3,069; 7. Engineering and general science: 9,992.[2]
* The Petition Project itself avoided any funding or association with the energy industries[18].

The term “scientists” is often used in describing signatories; however, many of the signatories have degrees in engineering or medicine. The distribution of petitions was relatively uncontrolled: those receiving the petition could check a line that said “send more petition cards for me to distribute”.

The Petition Project itself used to state:
“ Of the 19,700 signatures that the project has received in total so far, 17,800 have been independently verified and the other 1,900 have not yet been independently verified. Of those signers holding the degree of PhD, 95% have now been independently verified. One name that was sent in by enviro pranksters, Geri Halliwell, PhD, has been eliminated. Several names, such as Perry Mason and Robert Byrd are still on the list even though enviro press reports have ridiculed their identity with the names of famous personalities. They are actual signers. Perry Mason, for example, is a PhD Chemist.[18]”

In May 1998 the Seattle Times wrote:
“ Several environmental groups questioned dozens of the names: “Perry S. Mason” (the fictitious lawyer?), “Michael J. Fox” (the actor?), “Robert C. Byrd” (the senator?), “John C. Grisham” (the lawyer-author?). And then there’s the Spice Girl, a k a. Geraldine Halliwell: The petition listed “Dr. Geri Halliwell” and “Dr. Halliwell.”

Asked about the pop singer, Robinson said he was duped. The returned petition, one of thousands of mailings he sent out, identified her as having a degree in microbiology and living in Boston. “When we’re getting thousands of signatures there’s no way of filtering out a fake,” he said.[19]”

In 2001, Scientific American reported:
“ Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.[20]”

In a 2005 op-ed in the Hawaii Reporter, Todd Shelly wrote:
“ In less than 10 minutes of casual scanning, I found duplicate names (Did two Joe R. Eaglemans and two David Tompkins sign the petition, or were some individuals counted twice?), single names without even an initial (Biolchini), corporate names (Graybeal & Sayre, Inc. How does a business sign a petition?), and an apparently phony single name (Redwine, Ph.D.). These examples underscore a major weakness of the list: there is no way to check the authenticity of the names. Names are given, but no identifying information (e.g., institutional affiliation) is provided. Why the lack of transparency?[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_petition

Citing wikipedia as a source Doug? And your point is that the petition is suspect?

Pot, meet kettle.

P.S. I haven’t gotten my check from big oil either. Fortunately, Halliburton and Blackwater’s checks roll in right on schedule.

Yes and yes, Mike. I’m sourcing their citations, too.

Rubber, meet road.

MH, I don’t understand your second paragraph.

If you want something to stand as legitimate, then you must defend it; this is standard practice in logic. This petition is questionable. Therefore, as it is suspect, it cannot count as disqualifying the present consensus.

I don’t need to delve into the wiki citations. Why? The Or. petition has a history of a lack of disclosure, verification, objectivity, and methodology; theirs is the scientific position that is attempting to dislodge current scientific practice in understanding global warming. Until their practices, in this petition, are open, subject to independent verification, then their practices are said to be under scientific community suspicion.

However, if they were providing complete and full disclosure of the above, then I would have to tackle the wiki citations.

31,072, not enough. If it had only been 31,073 the brain dead liberals may have woke up, slapped themselves on the forehead and said, I still don’t believe it, Algorbage would never lie for $100 + million.

“The Or. petition has a history of a lack of disclosure, verification, objectivity, and methodology;” -dougy

Give it a rest Doug.

view signers here…
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p41.htm

more info here…
http://www.petitionproject.org/
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1635/2/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/05/are_32000_scientists_enough_to.html

Just because people like Doug don’t want it to be true, doesn’t make it false.

The word “consensus” is being used by AGW believers merely as a means to prevent people from thinking and prevent climate rationalists from talking: “this subject is settled, all scientists agree”.

Using the “consensus” argument, then, is not scientific at all. On the contrary, it is typically totalitarian, closing the debate without having to debate at the same time.

The people that talk about “settled science”, simply don’t want to talk about science. It’s easy to understand: most people with whom you discuss about AGW, just “repeat” things that they have watched in the news; they don’t know a figure; they have never watched a graph. And if they know figures and are really informed, then they will never use the “consensus” argument (this species is really hard to find).

So, the “consensus” argument is quite pathetic, just for lazy people that don’t want to know or don’t want to do their homework or both.

Do we really need to say that there is not such “consensus”? It is useless. Thirty thousand or thirty hundred thousand. They will come up with something, anything, to say that the important ones are the IPCC guys; or they will say that the oil companies are paying, or God knows what.

The way all this AGW debate is happening is suspicious itself. While the climate rationalists try to CONVINCE through arguments and data, the AGW believers try to IMPOSE their faith, using not scientific arguments like “consensus” or demonizing the opponent: “scientists agree, so you have to believe in this”. They don’t want to convince; they try to impose, and that is closer to fanaticism than to science.

Doug, you cited this:
In May 1998 the Seattle Times wrote:
“ Several environmental groups questioned dozens of the names: “Perry S. Mason” (the fictitious lawyer?), “Michael J. Fox” (the actor?).

It was likely the Seattle times (in the rush of course, to try to declare something bogus) confused Michael J. Fox, the actor, with Micheal “R.” Fox, the scientist. He currently writes for the Hawaii reporter, I’ve read a few of his articles and he is decidedly an AGW-skeptic.

Of course, whenever I come across claims such as the above I check them out for myself. I find that unlike some rather lazy journalists, true ‘skeptics’ do that, it comes naturally. I find that proponents of co2 emissions causing unstoppable global warming will swallow anything that supports their existing view, completely uncritically.

Among proponents I find the same claims over and over again, as Richard Lindzen put it, “there is little question that repetition makes people believe things [for] which there may be no basis.” People see these claims, they repeat them and spread them, but they never really look at them critically. And it is this very habit, this sloppy thinking that turns people away from the climate alarmists’ side (among other things).

Mata, et al.

This petition was cited repeatedly by different posters in previous threads on global warming.
It has also been analyzed and discussed in detail by others, including me. Respectfully, this is old news.

“This petition was cited repeatedly by different posters in previous threads on global warming.
It has also been analyzed and discussed in detail by others, including me.”
— Dave Noble

And you were then, as you are now, wrong

Another Global Warming Lie Bites the Dust

Besides, if AGW fanatics are still trying to trash that, and other proofs that there is no consensus, then it’s an ongoing story, and hence not “old news.”

MH, if anybody is a geocentrist, it’s those that deny that climate scientists agree that global warming is primarily caused by humans burning fossil fuels.

The conclusion that global warming is primarily caused by humans and that it will continue if greenhouse gas emissions are not reduced has been endorsed by at least 35 scientific societies and academies of science, including ALL of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries. Even the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Joint Science Academies of the major industrialized and developing nations explicitly use the word “consensus” when referring to this conclusion.

You and yours are in the minority here. We are standing with Descartes, Galileo, and Copernicus.

Lastly, are you telling me that the petition has now been fully examined by independent objective bodies? If so, pls. provide a link.

“MH, if anybody is a geocentrist, it’s those that deny that climate scientists agree that global warming is primarily caused by humans burning fossil fuels” — Dougy

Is his head as dense as a rock? Or, is it as empty as a Vacuum?

T-H-E-R-E I-S N-O C-O-N-S-E-N-S-U-S!!!

“We are standing with Descartes, Galileo, and Copernicus.”

Yeah, . . . Leroy Descartes, Bart Galileo, Steve Copernicus, Marie Kerry, and Gomer Einstein. You stand with them, then, and I’ll stay over here “in the minority”.

Bozo!

Check out the language:

“those that deny that climate scientists agree that global warming is primarily caused by humans burning fossil fuels”.

Check how subtly the word “deny” conveys all the ideological content of the message: “those that deny…” (We have heard the word “negationist” also, somewhere, sometimes).

Also: “climate scientists”. All of them?

Nobody “denies” that SOME (many?) climate scientists agree that global warming is primarily caused by humans burning fuels”. Everybody knows that.

And as today, only a mind hopelessly lost for common sense and truth, can “deny” that SOME (many?) climate scientists agree that global warming IS NOT primarily caused by humans burning fuels”.

Minority? Even if it was only ONE scientist, he has to be proved wrong for what he says, not for being the only one.

Send in the clowns.

Yes he still does not get it. Not every scientist believes in AGW.

Thanks yonason. I knew of the Climate Skeptic but not all of the others

I don’t remeber which comment thread the whole thing about “peer review” was on so I am putting it here. Here is a post about what “peer review” is all about