Report To Show Iraq WMD In Syria

Condi may or may not have “opposed” the air strike as the article says.

There is no statement there from her one way or the other. I tend to not believe the things that the MSM wants to feed me.

My belief is that there may have been public statements of “opposition” but wink and nod support behind the scenes. If my memory serves me there was the same sort of reaction when the Israelis bombed the Osirak facility in Iraq in 1981.

Remember that Israel is a staunch unwavering ally of ours and we are theirs as well.

We may claim “opposition” in public but in reality we are glad Israel is doing the dirty work that needs to be done.

Such is the nature of international diplomacy.

Color me highly skeptical …as well as Allahpundit over at Hotair.

I don’t trust the MSM either. BUT, when a hostile witness testifies against something they themselves otherwise might approve of, I take notice, especially when it is consistent with what I’ve come to expect of her.

If that were the only data we had, one might be able to justify skepticism. However, we have some other facts…

Here’s one, now…

“FROM DEBKA.COM: (not exatly the MSM)
Condi OKs Hi Tech to Syria
December 15, 2007, 9:38 PM (GMT+02:00)
In line with the thaw in Washington-Damascus relations, the state department has permitted Cisco Systems to ship routers, switches and hi-tech equipment to Syria. Israeli military officials told DEBKAfile’s sources that the shipment of items with military uses was approved, although the Bashar regime is far from mending its ways and continues to meddle in Lebanon.”
http://songdongnigh.blogspot.com/2007/12/condi-oks-hi-tech-to-syria.html

Although most of my criticism of her stems from her foolish ideas about the “palestinians” and their motives, and how Israel should accommodate the most savage people on the planet when that will only continue to cost Jewish (and Arab) lives.

What WMD? I mean really, let’s be specific:
-500 mustard gas shells-recovered in Iraq
-illegal missiles-fired by Saddam at US forces, and recovered in Iraq
-VX-turned out a truckload had spilled and everyone was afraid to tell higher ups so they kept it on paper and inspections could never have convinced those involved of their safety (though some could still exist and it only takes a few gallons, and there are reports that the gas used by AQ to attack Jordan and endanger 70,000 people involved leftover VX from Saddam)
-anthrax-Dr Germ later admitted that she’d poured it out accidentally too close to one of Saddam’s palaces and was terrified to let anyone know lest Saddam think she had tried to kill him=inspections couldn’t prove this was a safe issue, but there’s no doubt a few ounces could have made it out of Iraq and a tablespoon can kill 100k-250,000 people (something inspections could never confirm had been destroyed)
-chlorine-found en masse by UN, but described as dual use despite the later discovery by US troops of “civilian, dual use” chlorine plants surrounded by tens of thousands of empty artillery shells waiting to be filled
-sarin and other nerve agents-discovered by US forces, pics in Duelfer report of it being prepared for use
-SCUDs-24 never accounted for
-chemical cluster bombs-illegal cluster bombs discovered during invasion, pictured in Duelfer Report and special bomblets for chemical dispersal discovered by US troops, but not yet installed in the bombs themselves
-UAVs-discovered by US troops (successfully hidden from UNMOVIC), pictured in Duelfer report, while made to be recon drones (just as helos sold by US to Saddam were recon helos) they had payload capability as claimed by US and UN
-nuclear-lots missing, plans to remake their 1992 bomb found by US troops successfully hidden by Saddam’s regime

Lots of “stuff” went to Syria per the UN and ISG, but specifically, what “WMD” are we talking about? Opponents of the invasion fall silent to this one.

yonason, I’d be very careful about quoting ANYTHING from Debka, they’re notorious for being wrong. Their “reporting” isn’t much removed from The National Enquirer.

I keep having problems posting. My comment #9 above was supposed to have links. It didn’t go thru, so I took the links out and reposted in order to add them in afterward, but that didn’t seem to work. I navigated away and when I came back, the post that didn’t seem to get added was now there, but it’s too late to edit in the links. frustrating it is.

O.k, so here are the links for #9, #9, #9, #… in the places they should have been.

FIRST SECTION:
“you will recall that…”

“…the latest “fruits” of following her [rice’s] directives (demands)…
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@Scott Malensek SECTION

“Here’s a link you may want…”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4066462/

“..and another good reference…”
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/kay.report/

BTW, Curt… I posted what I’m repeating below last night… never showed up. So if it shows up in the spam filter, you can delete. Don’t know if it was a IE6 seucurity update I did yesterday or what.

Now… as to “skeptical” on the WMDs and Syria. An excerpt from Georges Sada’s book, Saddam’s Secrets:

In June 2004, Demetrius Perricos, who serves as president of UNMOVIC, confirmed these and many other facts in a report to the UNSC. He made it clear that Saddam had smuggled WMDs out of Iraq before, during, and after the war. In his report, Perricos provided evidence that documents recovered in Jordan, Turkey and as far away as the Netherlands, revealed that thousands of tons of biological warheads ahd been shipped out of Iraq to other countries in the Middle East. And along with chemical and biological components there were nuclear reactor vessels and fermenters for preparing chemical and biological warheads.

Perricos didn’t mention the Syrian connection, but field reports from Iraqi informants and information supplied by the Israeli intelligence service, The Mossad, confirmed that memebers of Syria’s Baath Party were very much involved. And two months prior to the UNMOVIC report, US officials received word from the Jordanian intelligence service that they had broken up a plot by Al Qaeda to explode a large chemical weapon in the center of Amman, Jordan.

The thwarted Jordanian plot mentioned by Sada above was in CNN news April 26th (duplicated here, approx 5th story down on this Emergency.com site)

I’ve blogged on, and had the link to, the UNMOVIC May 2004 quarterly report on my blog for years. Naturally the press doesn’t care to confirm that UNMOVIC documented much that confirms Sada’s later claims via UN sources. That’s to inconventient as it doesn’t fit with their indoctrination of misinformation over the years.

So color me not so skeptical. But it matters whit. For after all this time of media propaganda and lies, it would be impossible to reverse the electorate’s beliefs. They’ve been told the sky is green by the media. No proof of it being blue will change that.

@Curt

THANKS

…and i noticed the increased editing time. That could be very useful for updates, etc., Nice.

…so, it occurred to me to go up to my previous post (#12) to change something, and … it can no longer be edited, and it’s not 6 hrs yet. Do you need to change some process other than the clock that shows how much time we should have left?

yonason,

I hope that you didn’t get the impression that I am defending Rice on every decision she has ever made. I am most certainly not doing that.

I am however pointing out that the MSM is deeply invested in making this administration look bad in any way they can, whether by printing accurate stories or by embellishing, twisting, stretching, or spinning.

Quite frankly if I don’t see a video tape or actually hear the person’s voice saying the words then I don’t readily accept it.

The Internet is full of false quotes and false stories all in the interest of shaping and molding the story.

Back to the WMD issue:

In the days leading up to the beginning of the invasion the news was full of stories regarding convoys and trucks scurrying about along the borders of Iraq.

There were recon photos from spy satellites which supported the theory that those weapons were literally being spirited away in the night. That info and those pictures were released long, long before we got in there and found basically zero.

“Quite frankly if I don’t see a video tape or actually hear the person’s voice saying the words then I don’t readily accept it.” – Aye Chihuahua

That is a good point, and usually a good idea to heed, even when the source is reliable if for no other reason than it is difficult to defend irrefutably. However, I have given other examples that are well documented to show she ain’t playin with a full deck. And, no offense taken.

As to the “convoys,” you will also note what I quoted David Kay, the lead investigator after the invasion. I repeat for your information…

“Baghdad was actually becoming more dangerous in the last two years than even we realized. Saddam was not controlling the society any longer. In the marketplace of terrorism and of WMD, Iraq well could have been that supplier if the war had not intervened.”
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2. Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict;
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4. Some WMD personnel crossed borders in the pre/trans conflict period and may have taken evidence and even weapons-related materials with them;”(see above for refs)

I’ve been following this and know that there is not enough information to give a detailed accounting of what happened, but Saddam DID transfer material out, and I think we can be pretty sure that he was not just trying to protect his stamp collection.

I have more links, but they are on my other computer which is down, probably for a while. Needless to say, Saddam was in bed with the terrorists, he had every intention to reaquire whatever weapons he had lost and had as many plans in place as he could to effect that as soon as sanctions were lifted. He did have and was trying to acquire more materials for WMD even up to right before the war. It’s a good thing he’s gone, and getting rid of him was the right thing to do.