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Outstanding post highlighting the REAL difference between a brutal prison and the clubmed we give to some of the worst of the worst in our war against terror.
Richard Romano
16 years ago
I’m a graduate student at a so-called ‘enlightened’ university — my professor seems to think that Gitmo is a concentration camp. I often wonder what he thinks of Cuba — is that a concentration camp? Na, he thinks it’s the epitome of civilization if only the US would back off.
It’s pretty sad how leftists get to spread rubbish and illogic with impunity (to think, he spent years earning his PhD). I wanted to challenge him, but I figured it wasn’t worth it. My dad once told me, “if someone acts like a complete fool, to correct him would be the greater fool.”
Scott Malensek
16 years ago
Gitmo:
1) send em all to the Afghan authorities with a wink wink nudge nudge. End of US problem
2) Shoot everyone (caught on a battlefield with weapons and no uniform=”spy”, they shoot spies)
3) Put em in San Fran as official POW’s, make internal security light, and shoot anyone attempting to escape
4) Keep it going-terrorists need something that terrorizes them
Your professor and the left generally enable REAL evil by their nonsensical twittering about Gitmo.
Richard Romano
16 years ago
Hi Mike,
I agree with you wholeheartedly — but it’s an academic no-no to embarrass your prof in class like that (and he is espousing morally foolish views). If I do challenge him, and win I will, then he may take it out on me personally and cause me unnecessary grief. I figure that I can make more of a difference with hearts and minds that are open, than hearts and minds that are morally blind (enter my dad’s pithy saying).
I just let him spout on — the other students look bewildered too at this middle-aged guy who seems clearly out of touch with reality…they really do live in this hermetically sealed ethos, meaning, they are essentially unreachable…which is sad.
winter360
16 years ago
Was the gist of this post really “Cuba does very bad things so why are people complaining about the bad things *we* do, possibly in Cuba?” I fail to follow the logic here. “Hey, Cuba does bad things too!” is also a head shaker. Maybe you should stick with “Didja know Cuba’s done bad things?!” And I challenge you to find someone to whom this is news.
winter
“Hey, at least we’re not as bad as Cuba!” American citizen.
ChrisG
16 years ago
Winter.
No, I believe the point of the post was that we treat the detainees at GITMO FAR BETTER than mandated for illegal combatants in international law and the methods we use for interrogation are far more humane than the Cuban gulags 20 miles from GITMO.
The US facility is quite possible the most open and overwatched detention camps in history. But it does not matter to the left how we treat these illegal combatants, all that matters is that we dare have the gaul to stand up to these genocidal maniacs with delusions of a global whabbahist Islam.
Some of the Prisoners dont even want to leave Club Gitmo.
bbartlog
16 years ago
enable the evil in Cuba by this false moralizing about Gitmo
The evil in Cuba would continue regardless of the moralizing of the left here. It would make as much sense (which is to say no sense at all) for a lefty to say our operation of Gitmo enables the Cuban government’s oppression by allowing them to spout off about moral equivalence. Both cases conveniently ignore the part where the Cuban communists have been murdering and oppressing people for fifty years, without any particular attention to what people here say or do.
But I’ll agree with winter that the ‘look how cruel they are compared to us!’ argument is thin. Yup, they’ve got us beat for barbarity! And the North Koreans are even worse! This isn’t a good way to calibrate your moral compass.
ALL these moral equivalence arguments are FALSE and PERVERSE.
There simply is NO comparison between U.S. treatment of detainees captured on battlefields in the act of trying to kill Americans or civilians and Cuban prisoners of conscience.
The effort here is not to excuse U.S. treatment, because we need NO excuse.
I’m wondering why that isn’t so perfectly obvious to some of you.
bbartlog
16 years ago
Who was arguing moral equivalence?
And how can you say there’s ‘NO comparison’ when your whole post is devoted to comparing (and contrasting) the two?
And if we need no excuse, what exactly was the point of your juxtaposition here?
“NO VALID COMPARISON?”
Thank you, that was exactly my point. If you want to talk about GITMO prisoners being treated in accordance with international law in a way that furthers US security, that makes sense. Talking about the horrors that exist in Cuba interests me too. The comparison makes no sense to me. And what would a lefty protesting our own Gov’t policies have to do with protesting Cuba’s policies? I’m an isolationist myself, so in the interest of staying out of other countries’ internal matters, I don’t like that comparison either. As for what I’ve done? Outside of not having had a good cigar in some time, I advocate keeping American politics focused on domestic issues.
Thanks though for clarifying your own position. You isolationists are living in a fool’s paradise.
Nature abhors a vacuum and should you ever succeed in withdrawing U.S. leadership from the world that vacuum will be filled by others less disposed to tolerate your eccentricities.
winter360
16 years ago
Ah, what’s the alternative, American hegemony? I don’t wanna join the NWO yet. Just hand me my tin foil hat, please. 😉
Even when we had nearly the entire world in our military control at the end of World War II we couldn’t wait to rid ourselves of the responsibility fast enough.
Still, we learned very quickly after the end of WW2 that we couldn’t just retreat to fortress America and expect the world to leave us alone. Sane minds prevailed and we did our best to build a network of alliances around the globe to counter threats to our freedom, security and prosperity.
Outstanding post highlighting the REAL difference between a brutal prison and the clubmed we give to some of the worst of the worst in our war against terror.
I’m a graduate student at a so-called ‘enlightened’ university — my professor seems to think that Gitmo is a concentration camp. I often wonder what he thinks of Cuba — is that a concentration camp? Na, he thinks it’s the epitome of civilization if only the US would back off.
It’s pretty sad how leftists get to spread rubbish and illogic with impunity (to think, he spent years earning his PhD). I wanted to challenge him, but I figured it wasn’t worth it. My dad once told me, “if someone acts like a complete fool, to correct him would be the greater fool.”
Gitmo:
1) send em all to the Afghan authorities with a wink wink nudge nudge. End of US problem
2) Shoot everyone (caught on a battlefield with weapons and no uniform=”spy”, they shoot spies)
3) Put em in San Fran as official POW’s, make internal security light, and shoot anyone attempting to escape
4) Keep it going-terrorists need something that terrorizes them
Me, I like option 1 and 4
Richard:
It’s a shame you didn’t take that professor on. You can ask two simple questions if you ever have the opportunity:
How many inmates at Gitmo have died?
Then ask how many died in Soviet or Cuban Gulags?
Years ago I visited Dachau, the very first Nazi concentration campe near Munich Germany and saw the face of REAL evil first hand:
http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2005/06/left-perverts-meaning-of-evil.html
Your professor and the left generally enable REAL evil by their nonsensical twittering about Gitmo.
Hi Mike,
I agree with you wholeheartedly — but it’s an academic no-no to embarrass your prof in class like that (and he is espousing morally foolish views). If I do challenge him, and win I will, then he may take it out on me personally and cause me unnecessary grief. I figure that I can make more of a difference with hearts and minds that are open, than hearts and minds that are morally blind (enter my dad’s pithy saying).
I just let him spout on — the other students look bewildered too at this middle-aged guy who seems clearly out of touch with reality…they really do live in this hermetically sealed ethos, meaning, they are essentially unreachable…which is sad.
Was the gist of this post really “Cuba does very bad things so why are people complaining about the bad things *we* do, possibly in Cuba?” I fail to follow the logic here. “Hey, Cuba does bad things too!” is also a head shaker. Maybe you should stick with “Didja know Cuba’s done bad things?!” And I challenge you to find someone to whom this is news.
winter
“Hey, at least we’re not as bad as Cuba!” American citizen.
Winter.
No, I believe the point of the post was that we treat the detainees at GITMO FAR BETTER than mandated for illegal combatants in international law and the methods we use for interrogation are far more humane than the Cuban gulags 20 miles from GITMO.
The US facility is quite possible the most open and overwatched detention camps in history. But it does not matter to the left how we treat these illegal combatants, all that matters is that we dare have the gaul to stand up to these genocidal maniacs with delusions of a global whabbahist Islam.
winter: I’m glad Castro’s gulag and the REAL human rights horror that happens there is not news to you.
So what have you done about it?
There are a lot of other photos of Gitmo showing rows of barbed wire. It’s to keep the detainees in, but it might also serve to keep the Cubans out.
Ever notice how many Cubans risk their lives attempting to escape to the United States?
And yet lefties continue to enable the evil in Cuba by this false moralizing about Gitmo.
Some of the Prisoners dont even want to leave Club Gitmo.
enable the evil in Cuba by this false moralizing about Gitmo
The evil in Cuba would continue regardless of the moralizing of the left here. It would make as much sense (which is to say no sense at all) for a lefty to say our operation of Gitmo enables the Cuban government’s oppression by allowing them to spout off about moral equivalence. Both cases conveniently ignore the part where the Cuban communists have been murdering and oppressing people for fifty years, without any particular attention to what people here say or do.
But I’ll agree with winter that the ‘look how cruel they are compared to us!’ argument is thin. Yup, they’ve got us beat for barbarity! And the North Koreans are even worse! This isn’t a good way to calibrate your moral compass.
ALL these moral equivalence arguments are FALSE and PERVERSE.
There simply is NO comparison between U.S. treatment of detainees captured on battlefields in the act of trying to kill Americans or civilians and Cuban prisoners of conscience.
The effort here is not to excuse U.S. treatment, because we need NO excuse.
I’m wondering why that isn’t so perfectly obvious to some of you.
Who was arguing moral equivalence?
And how can you say there’s ‘NO comparison’ when your whole post is devoted to comparing (and contrasting) the two?
And if we need no excuse, what exactly was the point of your juxtaposition here?
OK nitpicker… amend my previous comment.
How about “NO VALID COMPARISON?”
“NO VALID COMPARISON?”
Thank you, that was exactly my point. If you want to talk about GITMO prisoners being treated in accordance with international law in a way that furthers US security, that makes sense. Talking about the horrors that exist in Cuba interests me too. The comparison makes no sense to me. And what would a lefty protesting our own Gov’t policies have to do with protesting Cuba’s policies? I’m an isolationist myself, so in the interest of staying out of other countries’ internal matters, I don’t like that comparison either. As for what I’ve done? Outside of not having had a good cigar in some time, I advocate keeping American politics focused on domestic issues.
winter: You’re being a nit picking ninny!
Thanks though for clarifying your own position. You isolationists are living in a fool’s paradise.
Nature abhors a vacuum and should you ever succeed in withdrawing U.S. leadership from the world that vacuum will be filled by others less disposed to tolerate your eccentricities.
Ah, what’s the alternative, American hegemony? I don’t wanna join the NWO yet. Just hand me my tin foil hat, please. 😉
American hegemony?
Oh PLEASE!
Even when we had nearly the entire world in our military control at the end of World War II we couldn’t wait to rid ourselves of the responsibility fast enough.
Still, we learned very quickly after the end of WW2 that we couldn’t just retreat to fortress America and expect the world to leave us alone. Sane minds prevailed and we did our best to build a network of alliances around the globe to counter threats to our freedom, security and prosperity.
You would apparently toss all that away.
Yes indeed, get your tin foil hat!