Ace of Spades:
Sorry, I was on Twitter. I felt it was necessary to dispel the widely-held myth, adored by #NeverTrumpers, that somehow attacking Trump relentlessly does not aid Hillary Clinton, and that they are not choosing Hillary Clinton by choosing to be NeverTrump.
All choices have consequences. By supporting Trump, I am responsible for the consequences of a Trump victory — and those consequences could indeed be dire.
But a childish morally-unserious fantasy has infected the #NeverTrump not-so-intellgentsia, that they can agitate for Hillary Clinton — by relentlessly disparaging Trump — and somehow, they arenot responsible for the consequences of the Hillary presidency they are bucking for.
They’ve dreamed up this self-pleasing, responsibility-evading dreamscape in which those who plump for Trump are responsible for the outcomes of a Trump presidency, but, for no explanation thusfar discoverable, they are not responsible for the outcomes of the Hillary presidency they’re agitating for.
I tried to explain to them that there is no such thing as a consequence-free choice — all choices have consequences, both on the upside and the downside — and both the upside and downswide consequences must be considered by any adult, intellectually-serious person in making his choice.
But they like this idea that, like little children, they are free to gambol and play in the fields and this does not even perturb the leading edge of a butterfly’s wing, and so they just keep teling me “No you’re wrong” without saying why I’m wrong.
Which, seriously, is a rather important part of any argument beginning with the words “You’re wrong.”
I ask people: When you knocked Obama in 2012, and wrote posts and comments noting his flaws, did you think you were doing nothing to improve Mitt Romney’s chances of winning the presidency?
If so– why the fuck did you bother?
Of course, this is silly; everyone knows that when one buys ads attacking a candidate, one is helping that candidate’s opponent win.
The #NeverTrumpers are filling their blogs, magazines, and Twitter timelines with nonstop political advertising (free) against Trump, and maintain, just because they say so and because it pleases them to think so, this does exactly nothing to help Hillary, and they are therefore not responsibe for her election.
Or let me put it this way: I am not hoping for Trump to get into some serious international snafu by supporting him. Yet I know that is a very real possibility if he’s president.
Should this happen, I can’t just say “But I didn’t want trump to screw up so badly.”
People would say — no, but you knew the risks in supporting him, and you supported him anyway; you are therefore morally responsible for this.
Yet the #NeverTrumpers claim that the obvious, inescapable outcome of their position — that Hillary Clinton will be the president — is not their responsibility, just because they didn’t intend that as a pirmary matter.
No, but they were completely aware it was the natural and inevitable consequence of their position.
So why would a Trump supporter be responsible for a foreign policy catastrophe he didn’t even know for a fact would happen, when a #NeverTrumper claims to be innocent of the Hillary Presidency they know beyond a shadow of any doubt is the direct and inescapable consequence of the NeverTrump posiition?
Ace is absolutely correct. Trump won the vote, and “the Donald” IS The Republican Nominee. Either get with the program or STHU. If you are a Republican out there still bashing Trump now that the RNC Convention has ended, they you are a de facto Hillary supporter.
Last night Breitbart News streamed the entire movie, Clinton Cash, for free for anyone.
How anyone could claim to be ”conservative”
yet allow this woman to gain even one vote by either staying home or voting some protest vote, is now well beyond me.
Yet, I have seen, this week, at least two different National Review writers stump for Hillary.
( David French: ‘Donald Trump Is Not a Republican’ Premium. and Jonah Goldberg’s ‘I Choose Ted’. )
Toward the end of his campaign for the nomination the rigging of the election delegates was getting so bad that Donald Trump warned his supporters that he’d need to win by an overwhelming margin in order to not see this nomination stolen away from him.
We saw at the RNC convention what would have worked had the margin be slim.
It did NOT work because there was such a chasm between him and 2nd place.
Now the same is going to happen in the General Election.
Obama played the corners.
He won because he only cheated small, a precinct here and precinct there. Even though he got over 100% of the possible votes in a few precincts people didn’t squawk because it was only a few precincts.
Hillary could pull off the same thing in a close election.
Thankfully Jonah and David are not very influential.
Its all up to Trump to lose this election. His actions and those of his primary voters will poison the chances of his winning. Agitating just double down on JFK and the lies, dont go after Hillary. But you have someone else to blame for his failure so no problem set up Trump as the victim. pffft.
Its really funny when this guy has a better attack line than Trump who might or might not shoot her with a nerf gun, but takes an ax to a republican.
So easy and Trump and Trump alone will blow it.
Like it or not, voting against one is a vote for the other. Advocating the defeat of one is abetting a victory for the other.
But realistically either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton will become Commander in Chief, head of the most powerful military in the world, in charge of the financial backbone of the world.
That’s a very scary and nauseating concept but it’s going to be one or the other.
Hillary will likely be an Obama third term. We’ve survived that and will survive another. I’m not sure we can survive from an egotistical maniac with a long history as a con artist who often protects his own interest at the expense of those most loyal to him. I’m not sure we can survive from someone admitting to loving economic downturns while hinting at defaulting on our debt. I’m not sure we can survive from someone who’s thought process so closely parallels with the likes of Hitler and Mussolini. I’m not sure we can survive from someone so open to trashing the Constitution, disregard of due process, advocates torture, makes military leaders cringe, has a long history of racism, sexism, unbridled vulgarness, and the list goes on and on.
Electing the likes of this dangerous charlatan just because of your hatred of the left, just because the thought of Obama makes you want to puke, just because of a ginned up Benghazi incident (yes, a political scam as such attacks happened 14 times under Bush yet,, well, that’s different or, something) irrelevant emails (which also occurred with Colen Powell), or because her husband was such a whoremonger is self defeating. It’s simply letting your own vile bigotry and hatred conquer you.
There will be another election in 2020 and 2024 and so on. The GOP should take their lumps, regroup, come back to fight again on another day, and never ever let this disastrous trianwreck of a failed con man anywhere near the White House.
No we won’t. Look at the supreme court. Scalia is dead, and the court is 4 liberals, 3 conservatives, and 1 switch-hitter. If Hillary becomes President, that becomes 5-3-1, and at that point we can say goodbye to any pretense that the US government is still limited in any way by the Constitution.
So we can’t just come back in 2020. It will be too late.
@Dreadnought: I can agree, from a conservative perspective, that Clinton would bring a rather dynamic change to the court and I understand that concern. I would say, from a conservative perspective, that’s really the only rational argument you have in voting Trump. And yes, that change could very well linger for decades.
But again, we’re not talking about a conservative here. We’re talking Trump. It’s hard to phantom what kind of con man he’d nominate.
From a democratic perspetive, that’s more of a reason for Hillary hating Ds to vote for her. I’m certainly all for it. I’m not at all impressed with the conservative Roberts court. I’d like to see CU v Feds reversed. They’re not very working folks friendly.
I would also point out that Ds are likely to flip the Senate making Trumps pick harder and Hillary’s a cake walk.
He made a commitment regarding the judges that he would nominate. If he nominates from outside that list, he can count on zero support from all sides in Congress and becoming a complete lame duck president through his entire term. He would not do that.
Look, Trump was not my first choice. My choices were 1) Scott Walker, 2) Rubio, 3) Cruz. But we are now left with a choice between Trump and HRC. Trump may be a loose cannon, but he is one hell of a lot better than HRC, who is 100% committed to making her wall street pals richer while reinforcing the social divisions that fuel the Democratic party today. The interests of the United States or its people, generally speaking, is not even on her radar.
PS: One last thing. Trump is a businessman. Making deals is what he does for a living. Being an ideologue who insists on winning 100% of what his opening position is not how you make deals. You compromise. I think that Trump would be a lot more successful in actually getting some things done in Congress than any president in recent history, and certainly better than HRC.
‘Vote Your Conscience!’ Anti-Trump Protesters Channel Ted Cruz
As these people are more willing to support a known corrupt radical progressive politician who, (with her husband,) has conspired to sell out the voters in order to further the globalist agenda for the elite class and their own personal profit, I don’t see how any Conservative or Republican can support Hillary over Trump. We know that the establishment globalist path will lead to the destruction of this nation and our Constitutional rights and the enslavement of the people, but these useful idiots (the #NeverTrumps) would prefer that the nation go down the path to socialist totalitarianism and ruin, than take a chance that Trump means what he says. No, you #VoteYourConscious fools are not thinking of what is good for the nation, it’s citizens or our way of life, so you might as well quite giving us that line of bull crap.
Your argument leaves the impression that Trump is the opposite of “totalitarianism and ruin”, and would divert “the destruction of this nation and our Constitutional rights and the enslavement of the people”, would never “conspired to sell out the voters”, and would never consider an “agenda for the elite class and their own personal profit”.
There seems to be an amnesia of precisely who Trump is and of his history. This is the same guy that bankrupted 4 times and at the expense of those most loyal to him only to save his own hide. He has made an art out of it, exploiting the court system for his own profit while leaving those that helped him in ruin. And with that knowledge, has stated how he likes financial downturns as they are profitable for people like him-while also saying if we go into a recession, we can default on our debt. So this perfected conman actually admitted to crashing the global economy because it’s profitable for people like him. I’m not making this up.
And this is the very same Donald Trump that chose to have his “Make America Great Again” ball caps and other apparel made in Chinese factories rather than here in the USA. He is the very same Donald Trump that has utilized and exploited cheap Mexican labor to clean his motels and casinos.
So it’s rather unimaginable that you can actually type your hyperbole of Hillary with a straight face when in fact, she is a novice of all of these compared to Trump. Even when it comes to honesty, integrity, or being truthful, the “crooked Hillary” or “lying Hillary” doesn’t hold a candle to Trumps profound dishonesty and abject lying. She isn’t even in contention.
And we’re just scraping the surface of the many many many problems with a Trump president with unity here at home and our global standing.
To think that Trump is “not good for the nation, it’s citizens or our way of life” is not as you say, a “line of bull crap”. That argument indeed has merit.
Then vote for Hillary if you want. You are free to do so. You can also waste your vote by voting Johnson or any of the other small party candidates who don’t have a hope in hell. But then don’t complain about Hillary effectively relegating the Constitution to the Ashheap of history – because that is surely going to happen once the Supreme Court goes 5-3-1. The Democrat Party of today is nothing like the Democratic Party of FDR and JFK.
You have a choice – Vote for Trump and hope that the Republicans on his team manage to keep him more or less on a reasonable path, or help Hillary by either voting for her or wasting your vote on a 3rd party, where you know that pretty much everything she does will be counter to the interests of the country.
It’s not a choice we wanted, but that’s what we have. So stop the whining and make your choice.
I doubt you’ll find many here giving a full-throated defense of Trump. I certain cannot, though I’m afraid I have to vote for him in November. You list many of his deficiencies. Valid points, all. Yet for all of Trump’s shortcomings, his opponent is the most corrupt public official in politics today. Probably for the last century. Moreover, she is completely ruthless in exercise of whatever power and authority she may wield, casually ruining lives and careers for her own benefit. Forget her enemies, look what happens to her friends; Webb Hubbell, Susan McDougall, Vince Foster…
You want to argue that Trump is just as bad as Hillary? Okay, for the sake of argument, let’s grant that. Trump is just as evil and nakedly self-interested as Hillary.
But there are still substantive differences between them, and not just the Supreme Court picks. Their biggest difference? Trump is a political neophyte. I don’t think he truly understands how our government works, about checks and balances among the three branches. It’s not a business. Getting the Congress to do what he wants will be a heavy lift every time. Hillary, on the other hand, has the benefit of eight years in the White House. She knows which levers to pull and which buttons to push. For all we know, she still has copies of those 600 FBI files that Craig Livingstone pulled for the White House. How many of those are on people still in positions of power? And she’ll have a Congress in which nearly half the membership will be actively pushing her agenda. Lord help us if she gets a Democrat majority in the Senate.
Not to mention the media. The mainstream media will be watching Trump like a hawk, eager to pounce on any mistake or misstep. Eager to create a controversy even if none exists. (Melania’s “plagarism”, for instance.) He won’t be able to get away with anything. Contrast that with the fawning coverage and support Hillary gets from the Washington Post, the NYTimes, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc. etc. Everything she does will be presented with the best possible spin, while everything he does will be presented as the Death of the Republic.
So, from my perspective, this election won’t be about who can “make America great again”. It won’t be about who can improve our lives or the national economy. I have no confidence that either candidate can do that.
It will be about who will do less damage.
To begin with, the complaining and/or whining should and will continue regardless of who someone votes or doesn’t vote for. Either should be held accountable and kept on a very short leash. Each are dangerous and destructive and the criticism and/or complaining/whining needs to persist.
You are correct on one hand that there is no good choice but you become somewhat erratic in your Hillary bashing. To say vote for Trump and pray like hell the legislative bodies can contain him or vote Hillary as if she would have unbridled power doesn’t add up.
Aside from the reality that there is no such thing as a Democrat Party, it’s remarkable that you only look at Democrats as the changing body. What precisely are today’s so-called conservatives or republicans or GOP or teabaggers or whatever in the hell they are today? They damn sure aren’t Lincoln Republicans, not Eisenhower Republicans, not even close to Reagan Republicans. And even your idolized Reagan was more of today’s Democrat as he raised taxes 8 times, gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, bloated the size of government, was even pro union before he wasn’t and anti abortion before he wasn’t. Hell, even Nixon and the predominantly conservative Berger Court brought us Roe v Wade.
Was GWB a conservative? Did he and his supermajority lapdog congress promote conservatism? Do you expect conservatism from a Trump administration?
If anything, the Democratic party has leaned right. Look at Hillary, a corporate suck up or as more defined by today’s standards, a Republican. Look at her running mate, pro life and pro right to work.
I’ve made up my mind who I’ll vote for and I don’t like it, not at all. I’m more of a down ticket advocate as that’s all we have to help us.
Firstly, I said “the Republicans on his team”, not legislative bodies. He’s going to have mainly GOP’ers on his staff and Cabinet. They are the ones who are going to do the bulk of the work and can influence him.
Exactly why Trump won the primary, and why I left the GOP 5 years ago. The mainline GOP has become corrupted. They seem to be quite happy with the size of government – they just want to be the ones pulling the strings. They don’t actually want to do anything about the border because the US Chamber of Commerce likes the super-cheap wages. I could go on. Trump is someone who will upset the apple cart on so many vested interests. And that is definitely what is needed.
GWB was never a conservative. He was a Neo-conservative. He called it “compassionate conservatism”. Look it up. It’s basically a progressive who believes in strong foreign policy.
Excuse me while I wipe the drink I just spewed over my screen. WTF are you smoking??? An open socialist came damned close to getting the nomination, and and the Democratic Party platform now contains a lot of his crap. The Dems have definitely moved left, and so have the Republicans on many issues.
Basically, you have the GOP whose priorities seem to be “Maintain the status quo”, and do some work when not on the golf course to ease the ability of entrepreneurs to start new business. The Democrats’ priorities is to ensure that the poor remain poor, and remain bitter. Enhance the “Us vs them” mentality among all minorities, to keep them voting democrat. Hillary’s corruption is a side note. She can do all these things and still make herself more rich and powerful.
To be clear, I don’t ” want to argue that Trump is just as bad as Hillary”. My point is that he is much worse, on most any front.
The biggest point I’m hearing from you and many never-Hillary people is she’s “the most corrupt public official in politics today. Probably for the last century. Moreover, she is completely ruthless in exercise of whatever power and authority she may wield, casually ruining lives and careers for her own benefit”. That in itself just rings hollow and if compared to Trump (albeit he hasn’t been a public official in politics) she’s a mere amateur. Most of her so-called dishonesty and greed and such has come from repeated hype from the right, mainly to discredit her anticipated run for the WH. Consider the emails and Benghazi, nothing unprecedented here other than the constant drum beat of the GOP machine. Colin Powell did the same, as did Kerry. We saw 14 similar Embassy attacks under Bush with over 60 dead. None were considered presidential contenders.
Now I’m not trying to exonerate Hillary or put her on a pedestal. But there just isn’t a realistic comparison of her and Trump. I understand and hear the never Hillary people but there has to be a question of “never against who?”. If it were Hillary Clinton v Kim Jong, which would you choose? Or Mao? Or Hitler?
When I hear Trump saying how he likes recessions because it’s profitable for people like him while advocating we default on our debt in an economic downturn-which would crash the global economy, that in itself disqualifies him as leader. And that’s just one of many many reasons.
Granted, the Dems leaning right argument might be a bit overwhelming but you need to read my actual argument rather than cherry pick context. Today’s republicans have only 2 agendas of relevance. 1) Lower taxes for the wealthy and 2) less regulations for the wealthy. That’s it. Nothing else. And most anything else would ultimately create opportunities to lower more taxes for the rich or less regulations on the rich. So Hillary fits that criteria. Her running mate does as well. Dems have conceded on taxes for the wealthy, conceded on MW, cuts on social security, and on and on.
As far as Trump tipping the apple cart by closing the boarders, you’ve obviously swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. For one, he has utilized that very cheap labor for his motels and casinos. Why would he even want to? And he’s a proven liar on every front so there’s no reason to believe him. And he can’t do it. We don’t have the resources to remove that many people. And Mexico is not going to pay for some damn wall. So you regurgitating his incoherent and dishonest babble does not give credence to anything you say.
We will have to agree to disagree on this subject.
I’ve been watching closely for the past 30 years, and no one comes close to Hillary. There’s nothing “so-called” about the dishonesty and greed that’s been part of her make-up from the very beginning. Starting with her lies about making $100,000 trading cattle futures over three decades ago, every project she’s involved herself in has been for either her personal enrichment or her pursuit of political power. She enabled her husband by helping to destroy innocent women whom he could not keep his hands off. She could have simply fired Billy Dale from the White House Travel Office, that would have been her privilege. But the optics would have looked bad, since Democrats are supposed to care about the little people. So she chose to attack his character and destroy his life instead. She’s been alongside Bill, trading political influence for cash, for 30 years, and neither one cares how much damage it does to individuals or national security.
She may well have the best of intentions. She may truly think that she knows better than we, so if we would just let her run things, life would be better for everyone. With that mindset, it’s easy to see how she would see herself being above the rules that the rest of us must follow. To me, Hillary is the living embodiment of the brilliant Daniel Webster quote:
“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
I just really felt the need to reiterate that statement I made in comment #13. It just really makes a $100K cattle trade deal look like small potatoes. And it makes Trumps University scam look like nothing.
Yeah, they’re both after their own best interests. But which will do the most harm to me, or my family, or hell, everyone?
And I’m going to bounce back up to my very first comment on this thread:
If you spend a little time on Google and look up what he actually said, your summary is an extremely warped version of it. He did not advocate a default on our debt. nor that he wanted a downturn for the country – that’s just propaganda.
I’d rather be held accountable for the consequences following the election of Hillary Clinton than for those that might follow the election of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump, the Siberian Candidate
This was written shortly before Russian hackers released emails in an effort to influence the outcome of a U.S. presidential election.
@Greg: You are a true lefty. You will never hold yourself accountable for anything. Look how many times you have been found wrong on FA. You never once held yourself accountable for being wrong.
So, why do you think Russian hackers have attempted to turn the presidential election in favor of Donald Trump? Or would you rather not think about it at all?
Why would Vladimir Putin prefer a guy who thinks the NATO treaty is a joke and the European Union is primarily about making money to be in the White House instead of Hillary Clinton?
Well, yeah, he actually did say it. And I didn’t manipulate it to give it a different meaning.
He said that recessions were profitable for people like himself. He said that in the event of a recession, we can reset the terms and conditions with our creditors or in simple English, default.
The fact that you claim that can be so easily debunked while offering nothing of substance is telling.
@Greg: You have no idea what Donald Trump thinks. You are guessing like everyone else. If you had the capabilities to read and reason, you would know that in his book, one of his strategies is to keep his opponents guessing. Putin has already bought Clinton. He would like to get on the good side of Trump. See strategy is not your strong point. Putin wants to own everyone.
@Randy: Using your very own logic, you know what Putin thinks precisely how?
Spoken like a true Democrat.
My thoughts exactly. But this absurd claim by Ajay is not at all a surprise to me.
Except Tim isn’t pro life anymore. He changed his mind to become Hillary’s
V.P.Pro-abortion Yes Man. But you must have missed that while you were attending your candidate‘s “talking point’s for trolling” meetings. (You are after all pulling out all the left’s anti-Trump propaganda) like a typical Shillery parrot.
Yes, I’m sure you have. So I suppose we’ll just have to note down that you will be voting for Hillary Clinton who you seem to think is a ‘true right-wing Republican’. You can take off that elephant mask now. You aren’t fooling anyone. I expect you’ll be right behind the rest of the establishment traitors, “pulling the lever” for Hillary like a good progressive stooge.
Of course it is Dreadnought. Everything Ajay is parroting is straight from the radical leftist press and DNC campaign propaganda machine. You will note that even after he claims to be quoting Trump verbatim, that he doesn’t provide a link to prove it. You don’t really think Ajay is really a “conservative base Republican”, do you? At best, he’s a establishment troll like Tor. At worse, he’s one of the many pretender’s that Obama, Hillary, DWS and the DNC sent to disrupt Republican blogs.
@Ajay42302: I didn’t pretend to know what Putin is thinking. I just showed how the Russians bought the Clintons.
It has to get down to a binary litmus test doesn’t it? There can be no moderation, ever and you cannot put partisanship aside for any rational discussion. Anyone not marching to your exact ideology (again, whatever in the hell that is these days) must be some howling leftist with no mind of their own and actually works for for the other side and infiltrates the likes of FlaoppingAces with an orchestrated plan of changing the election outcome.
Do you realize how bigoted (not to be confused with racist) that is? Do you realize how little sense that makes? Do you realize that your entire response was no more than a copy paste of my words with an only answer of “Spoken like a true Democrat”, “Ajay is parroting”, “this absurd claim by Ajay is not at all a surprise to me”, “you are a leftist”, “At best, he’s a establishment troll”, ect. Nothing of substance but rather the usual attempt of changing dialog to diatribe.
But as I’ve said man times, Trump lickers don’t even care how asinine or nonsensical their gibberish is. You can’t have an intelligent discussion with them because they are so full or rage. And that anger only intensifies at the thought of any success of the present administration or of a continuation of it (read my very first comment here). And this anger that has possessed the Trump lickers allow them to side with the modern day George Wallace/Adolf Hitler.
I may not agree with much of what today’s Republicans are selling but it might surprise you that I’m very pro 2nd Amendment, very pro-life, and have been an entrepreneur most of my life. I don’t blindly follow any party nor do I kowtow to them (and I think I’ve touched on that on this forum).
Do you even realize that you are going to vote for a serial liar with a long history of scams after scams, a man who admitted to enjoy profiting off of others misfortunes (and has), has said defaulting on U.S. bonds is a good way to handle our national debt, a promoter of violence at his rallies, an advocate of bypassing due process (“just beat the hell out of em”, “punch them in the face” “they should be roughed up”, an xenophobe, a totalitarian, an abject racist, an undisciplined and unqualified loose cannon, a birther, a man who scares the hell out of our military leaders, a man who has significant business failures, one who’s financial plans would cause a massive recession and countless loss jobs (and the credible links are endless on this), a birther, a draft dodger who now wants to go to war with Mexico to build his wall, a sexist, a fraud, and just a generally immoral piece of sleaze, under the some concept of of party loyalty (or that you just hate the other party) all while chastising me for ““pulling the lever” for Hillary like a good progressive stooge”?
You take the cake on naming the kettle.
Ajay, apart from some of your list being outright distortions and lies (like the defaulting on debt thing – as your own link shows), How about Hillary? Serial Liar? BIIIIIIG Check. Scam after scam? Check. Profiting off of others’ misfortunes? Check. Promoter of violence – not directly, but she did not complain when her Boss Obama did (they bring a knife, you bring a gun), and the fact that the only violent protesters so far have been leftists. I could go on and on. Hillary makes Trump look like an Eagle Scout.
That’s true. Other than knowing that he has a very high opinion of Donald Trump, no one knows what Donald Trump really thinks about anything.
@Dreadnought: Yes, I’m sure you could go on and on but your on and on doesn’t hold a light to your con man in Chief. Not even close.
You seem to be grasping by comparing Trump’s many occasions of inciting violence to Hillary simply because she “did not complain” of Obama’s paraphrasing a quote from the 1987 mob movie “The Untouchables.” Yet, even you can’t bring yourself to “complain” or even acknowledged that “just beat the hell out of em”, “punch them in the face”, “I’ll pay your legal fees” and on and on might be a bit over the top for Trump. So your standards are contingent on which party says or does it.
That’s the problem with Trump lickers. They don’t see it and even if they do, they don’t care. And the very same Trump lickers who now have their heads shoved deep in the bowels of their hero are the very same people that could see no wrong in GWB (at the time, sure you cry now) and see nothing right in Obama-regardless of anything. Nothing matters to people like you other than which ticket one is on. You cherry pick my writings but was too much of a chicken shit to answer my question of who you would vote for if it were Hillay v Kim Jong or Mao or Hitler.
And if elected, unfortunately you will be the very same blind ass lickers protecting this egotistical con man while he rapes the country, consistent of his history and his promises.
There is a huge difference. And you have to make up incredibly weak tea comparisons that don’t stand to scrutiny to try to save face from that reality.
LOL, you are right. I really don’t care is someone who went INSIDE a Trump rally trying to pick a fight (and frankly, that’s why the protesters are there – you don’t think the protests actually change minds do you?), get punched in the nose. Serves them right.
I’ll answer it. Aside from policy issues which you might be for or against, in order of levels of evilness, I’d rank Kim and Mao worse than Hillary. But Hitler was not out to enrich himself at the cost of the country. He lived quite frugally. He did not mislead anyone in terms of what he intended to do – all his plans were laid out in Mein Kampf for anyone to read. Everyone was shocked when he invaded the USSR and slaughtered the Jews – well duh… he said he’d do it. Hitler genuinely thought he was doing the right thing for the country, in his warped Hegelian/Nietzschan mindset.
Hillary is no better than a tinpot dictator who served primarily their own interests and only the interests of the country if they happened to coincide with hers. Look at what she did in Libya – perfect example. I think she is a classic sociopath.
@Dreadnought: You admit that Kim and Mao would be worse than Hillary yet cannot bring yourself to saying you’d vote against her if they were on the opposite ticket. Telling.
I’ve mentioned a few times how the rabid right have actually sweetened their tune towards Hitler lately, that maybe he wasn’t all that bad, that you know, that “at least he wasn’t out to enrich himself” and we’ll, things like that.
And you don’t even see it. And if you do, you don’t even care.
@Ajay42302: The right respects “strength”. They actually think Putin,Hitler,Gadaffi not all that bad.
@Richard Wheeler: Yes, as I mentioned, there seems to be a new respect for those types ushered in by Trump.
Looks like you’ll see a lot more coddling up to Putin. Sounds like Trump may have run up a tab.
You asked a question and I answered it. Hillary might not have the same murderous impulses as Hitler, but her self-serving nature is far worse than his.
The Right has always been naturally skeptical of strong government. All the world’s most murderous regimes over the past century, Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung etc were all progressive leftists – every single one.
And before you say “Hitler was far-right”, that is BS propaganda by the left. He was a full-on progressive. He wanted a strong state that would shape society to its wishes, and control all aspects of the economy. That makes him a leftist progressive.
@Randy: Russians are probably in bed with Trump–he should release tax returns.
Dreadnaught Discussion is not about right vs left governments. It’s about the current “REPUB.PARTY’S” love affair with “strongmen” like Putin, Gadhaffi, Mubarek and Trump—-Hitler and Stalin probably fare better than softies like Obama, Jeb Bush, Kasich etc–Rightists see compassion as a weakness.
@Dreadnought: No, you didn’t answer the question but rather reiterated that Hillary is bad.
As to this “self-serving” or self enriching goals of Hillary, you seem to be missing the entire argument and ignoring my most every accusation of Trump. Again, Hillary is a mere novice compared to Trump.
As far as your Hitler etc progressive babble, by your very own argument, Con Man Don ain’t exactly no conservative.
You are the one who has been continually bashing Republicans ever since you appeared on this website. Your political stances have continually made it quite clear that you are a progressive. You’ve made it it very clear where your politics stand, and it has not been with the Republican party. You’re voting for Hillary. I never expected anything different from you, nor RW, nor Greg, nor any of the other leftist trolls. This entire thread was not for you rabid Hillary supporters, It was for Republicans.
You can’t even get your descriptive terms right. It is not “bigoted” to be opposed to someone one’s political positions. You progressives always want to pretend you’re victims. Grow up.
So what? Many other Democrats can say the same. That doesn’t make them “Republican.”
Why do you progressive leftists always insist on using such lame adolescent insults? Grow up.
The fact that the majority of Republicans are standing behind their nominee, doesn’t mean that they agree with everything Trump says.
As Dreadnought point’s out. Hillary has much of the same “qualities” that you assign to Trump. On top of that, Hillary has a long history of corruption, she has total disdain for our military, and she is a loyal follower of Saul Alinsky. What’s more, the DNC, MSM and Hillary’s campaign had to conspire to cheat so that she would win the Democratic Party nomination Again, I never had any doubt that you would be pulling the handle for crooked Hillary “Rotten” Clinton.
The entire point of this thread seems to have been lost on both you, Greg and RW. It was a message to Republicans, not you diehard progressive Democrats.
Let’s look at that question:
Why should anyone answer such an asinine question? The fact that you have to compare Hillary to two of the biggest pieces of sh*t in history to make her sound good says it all.
I suspect you know perfectly well what that last question is really asking: Do you detest Hillary Clinton enough to overlook the fact that Donald Trump shouldn’t be allowed any closer to the Oval Office than the fence surrounding the White House lawn?
The guy is a snake oil salesman, and so inconsistent it’s not even possible to determine what brand of snake oil he’s selling. If you don’t like his position on something, just wait a day or two, and then stop listening once you’ve heard the one you like. You can then imagine he’s anything you want.
I’m going with Obama’s opinion: America is already great, America is already strong, and Clinton has already been tested under fire and been found to be capable and up to the job. I totally reject Trump’s dark, pessimistic vision of America, his divisive, angry rhetoric, and his total lack of any detailed solutions. I’m not much reassured by the Russian connections of his top advisers, either. That calls is judgement into serious question, if nothing else.
At the very least, Clinton is a known quantity who would stay a course that’s demonstrably been working, promoting stability rather than risking total chaos. I don’t like her the way I like Obama, but that isn’t my top priority.
I posted precisely what his question is and it bears no resemblance to your just as asinine question. I think that Trump’s own ego will motivate him enough to help return the American Dream to this nation. I do believe that he want’s to return this nation to a manufacturing economy, which creates both goods, jobs and wealth for the majority of the people, not just to enrich a select few at the top.
All the globalist Clinton-Bush-Obama service economy has succeeded in, is wage stagnation, shipping our money and jobs overseas, increasing joblessness, poverty and crime, and making it necessary to heavily tax the few remaining workers to give entitlements to an ever expanding class of poor and slackers. Hillary will continue that unbalanced status quo, and she will do her best to finish transforming this nation from a free republic to a Socialist-fascist oligarchy.
Thanks to the crooked establishment-progressive globalist agenda politicians and their corrupt MSM cohorts, America has been in decline for decades and can no longer be considered as “great” as it once was. It is useful idiots like you who have helped them to bring us down. You are an insignificant loyal slave to your plantation masters, who play you and your fellow sheep like cheap fiddles. Sadly, you are just too damn partisan and stupid to pull your head out of Hillary’s ass to see it. Screw your progressively-programmed, blind socialist-utopian propaganda and your foolhardy cheering of your own enslavement.
That’s why the majority of the public are no longer buying into the MSM/Washington D.C./Wall Street/Progressive Talking Head bullshit. They have finally awoken, removed the blinders and recognize what our would-be overlords have been doing. Trump is not perfect, but he is many times better than that malodorous, conniving, cackling harpy that conspired to steal her way into the Democratic Party nomination. I was not a Trump Supporter, but I support the movement to overthrow the corrupt oligarchy. If we have to have someone like Trump to do it. So be it. This is the last chance the people will have to use the system to take this nation back to one by the people, of the people and for the people.