And That Data Is From Only Half The States
Ace:
The other half haven’t provided data yet.
Democratic Representative Steve Cohen tells everyone who’s been lied to to “Get over it.”He also adds that Heathcare.gov isn’t like ordering a “Tickle Me Elmo” doll from Amazon.com — which is strange, because President Obama promised the website would be just like ordering a TV off Amazon.com.
Of course everyone getting his insurance cancelled is now facing much higher rates.
The Griffins are among millions of people nationwide who buy individual insurance policies and are receiving notices that those policies are being discontinued because they don’t meet the higher benefit requirements of the new law.
They can buy different policies directly from insurers for 2014 or sign up for plans on state insurance exchanges. While lower-income people could see lower costs because of government subsidies, many in the middle class may get rude awakenings when they access the websites and realize they’ll have to pay significantly more.
Yeah, this part about “because the new policies don’t meet the higher benefit requirements” is flat-out untrue, and the media keeps repeating Obama’s spin. In most cases, people are being offered less generous insurance at higher rates — because the main increase in cost (and raising of deductibles) comes from a forced subsidy to the uninsurable, not from an increase in benefits.
It’s scandalous that the AP and other outlets can keep claiming this even as their own reportage in the same article contradicts it. For example, just before claiming this guy was getting his policy cancelled because it wasn’t good enough, AP actually revealed his old policy was strictly better:
The Griffins, who live near Philadelphia on the Delaware border, pay $770 monthly for their soon-to-be-terminated health care plan with a $2,500 deductible. The cheapest plan they found on their state insurance exchange was a so-called bronze plan charging a $1,275 monthly premium with deductibles totaling $12,700. It covers only providers in Pennsylvania, so the couple wouldn’t be able to see the doctors in Delaware whom they’ve used for more than a decade.
So let’s check:
Old premium: $770/month. New premium: $1,275/month. Old is better.
Old deductible: $2500 — a pretty darned low deductible. Ne deductible: $12,700 — a pretty high deductible. This is basically catastrophic coverage at very high comprehensive coverage rates.
Old network of doctors: The client had his pick of all the doctors he wanted. New network of doctors: He doesn’t have his pick of the doctors he wants.
How can the media continue claiming, again and again, that the new insurance is “better,” just because it offers maternity care and substance abuse counseling to 65 year olds?
When are we going to see some pushback against this ludicrous water-carrying by the media on Obama’s behalf? I want to see advertisements all over the airwaves directly contradicting this risible claim, comparing Old vs. New, just as I did above.
It’s not just that “If you like your policy, you can keep your policy” that was a complete lie. Also a gigantic lie: “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”
What really matters is what happens to the people who are receiving those cancelation letters that congressional Republicans have been parading in front of the cameras?
The bottom line: Almost all of them are going to receive the same or much better coverage, and many of them are going to receive financial help to purchase it.
About 80 percent of people, those who receive insurance through their employer or are already enrolled in a government program, won’t experience any change at all, Gruber said. (The Kaiser Family Foundation puts the number at 79 percent).
Another 14 percent are currently uninsured people who will now be able to get covered because of the Affordable Care Act, Gruber said. (Kaiser pegs it at 16 percent uninsured). How many of those actually get covered depends on a few variables — like whether Republicans states come around and expand Medicaid — but that’s the share that stands to gain.
So then you have 6 percent who might receive a cancellation letter (Kaiser says the individual market is 5 percent). Of those, Gruber argued, about half aren’t really going to see a change: They’ll technically enroll in a new plan, but it’ll be very similar to what they already had.
That leaves 3 percent who will have to buy significantly different plans, some of whom might have to pay more for them (at least before the law’s tax credits and other financial assistance kick in).
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/what-happens-to-people-whose-insurance-is-cancelled-because-of-obamacare
@This one:
This one, your lies do not improve with age.
Lies do not improve with repetition.
These people obviously didn’t want insurance or they would have it. If they couldn’t afford it, they could sign up for free Medicaid.
This lie will not become true just because you repeat it.
do you honestly believe 60 year old women need maternity insurance?
If you like your plan you can keep your plan. PERIOD.
To any liberal reading that sentence you cannot get around the fact that it is a bald faced LIE. Obama said it over and over. There is no getting around it. No ifs ands or buts. It’s a lie. It’s cold comfort to come along and try to justify what is happening as this will lead to something better for millions of people, when that too is also going to be shown to be another lie. So you lie to us and lie to yourself. This is why your words mean nothing because we know you lie as well.
The other mantra was “choice and competition” That was part of the sales pitch. It also is a LIE.
Found this interesting article. After reading it I believe they,Obama admin, had to know and decided to lie.
http://www.healthpocket.com/healthcare-research/infostat/few-existing-health-plans-meet-new-aca-essential-health-benefit-standards/#.UnlIR3D7K-m
IT’S inconceiveble to see those prices of OBAMACARE,
DOES HE REALLY THINK THE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT ALL THE TIME?
HE HAS TO BE NUT TO THINK SO,
OH YES HE HAS THE PENDULUM PENALTY HANGING OVER ALL THE PEOPLE’HEADS
WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT ONE,
COUNTING ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE USA AND WORK ABROAD,
DOESN’T FIT WITH THOSE PRICES WHICH SHOULD BE A LOT LESS EVEN CUT IN HALF,
OTHERWISE IT LEAD ME TO THINK THAT THOSE LEADERS AND FRIENDS WILL BECOME FILTHY RICH ON THE DOLE OF THE PEOPLE,
AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG IN THE LAST 5 YEARS,
SOCIALIST EMPOVERISH A WHOLE SOCIETY WHILE THE LEADER GET RICH BEYONG HIS WILDEST DREAMS,
What is as amazing as 0-blam’s lies upon lies regarding 0bamacare, now reality becomes even more disgusting. If you think your information on this sight is secure your even more a fool than believing Obama did not say you could keep your insurance and doctor.
What asshats like This One are either too stupid to comprehend, or so evil that they KNOW this and are doing all they can to obfuscate, is that adding untold layers of government bureaucrats automatically increases the cost of delivering healthcare – and in the most inefficient manner imaginable…just look to the obamacare website fiasco as a shining example of government efficiency.
In addition, this financially idiotic idea that obamacare is better for people because those who cannot afford to pay these outrageous insurance premiums for obviously worse coverage (just look to the deductibles going up as much as 6 times higher) will get SUBSIDIES to cover their insurance premiums completely ignores the facts that:
1. Our nation is already $17 TRILLION in debt
2. Those subsidies have to be paid for by people who don’t have extra income just sitting around for the government to steal to pay some one else’s outrageously high insurance premium.
Where does all this extra money come from, leftists? Is the Fed going to simply print even more paper money to provide the brief illusion that we can afford this insanity?
Or do you leftists support the odious drivel coming from that Virginia democrat candidate about forcing doctors to take medicaid/medicare patients at whatever bankrupting low level compensation crumbs the government deigns to toss at us? Tell me, how would you like to be told you are required by law to provide services at your job for compensation less than it costs you to perform those services? Think you are gonna keep plugging away out of some sense of do-gooderism? Yeah – see how long that lasts when you are unable to pay your employees, your suppliers, your mortgage, your household bills and such.
There are two primary reasons medical care costs have skyrocketed since the 1960s. First, is the medical legal lottery system encouraged by the craven contingency fee legal system. The second is the dirty little secret of the effect of the medicare/medicaid do-gooderism garbage of the 60s. The government has never paid under medicare/medicaid what it costs the doctor or hospital to treat the patient. So in order for doctors and hospitals to remain fiscally solvent, they have to jack up the prices for private insurance to make up the losses for government medicare/medicaid patients. The government insurance plans have become increasingly toxic over the years with added pointless paperwork and continually decreasing reimbursement rates such that in many areas private physicians have stopped accepting new medicare/medicaid patients.
Changing directions here – after seeing the pathetic politicization of the IRS against the various conservative groups during the last 2-3 years – do not be surprised when the medical system is contemptibly politicized by these leftist thugs. Yeah – you might think you have a right to your knee replacement, or your dialysis, but your need will absolutely be trumped by the need to fund abortion, birth control, sex change/mutilation procedures, and drug/alcohol rehab.
The alleged leftist concern for the poor manifested as the dubious “we all need to pay a little more to help the less fortunate” might have the tiniest sliver of validity/integrity had the scumbags in the democrat party not lied so brazenly about the effects of obamacare…and had they not exempted themselves from the effects by producing regulations that require congress members and their staff members to have the gold obamacare plans – paid for completely by the taxpayers
There is no more true life example of the closing scene of Orwell’s Animal Farm than what the federal government – particularly democrats – are doing with obamacare national socialism.
HE does not care about it and what it does TO THE PEOPLE, some few weeks ago he said
i want to see the cash register ring, IT’S a money grab with total control he was dreaming of since he was elected.
make them pay or punish them,