sundancecracker:
While we are still waiting for the toxicology reports, lets discuss….
WHY THE FUNERAL DIRECTOR LIED
A WFTV report shows some aspects of the autopsy performed on Trayvon Martin. FULL AUTOPSY REPORT HERE – The autopsy revealed bruising and cuts to the hands of Trayvon Martin consistent with the statements and accounts of George Zimmerman. The autopsy also revealed that Trayvon had THC in his blood and urine consistent with marijuana use.
In addition the autopsy report revealed moderate beginning signs of brain damage, and mild liver damage associated with prolonged use of DXM or in street lingo “Lean “ in an otherwise healthy young man. 2006 ABC NEWS – It’s more than a drug; it’s a culture. It’s what’s known on the street as “Lean,” a highly addictive cocktail of cough syrup, Juice or soda, and candy (see Watermelon Juice, Skittles, Robitussin) so potent it makes you “lean” over when high.
We have previously outlined extensive research into Trayvon’s well known drug use as discussed with his peers, and the well documented social converstions with his friends about his drug lifestyle. These are not subject to interpretation. They are factual and truthful.
In addition, it should also be noted this is the same autopsy Trayvon Family Attorney Benjamin Crump filed previous court orders (March 6th-7th) to keep out of public review. Crump filed filed injunctions to seal school records, attendance records, disciplinary records, and law enforcement contact records as well as the autopsy.
We have outlined the lies, falsehoods and specific manipulations by various parties associated with the false narrative. For this update, against the backdrop of the autopsy discovery, we will revisit the lies by Trayvon Family Funeral Director Richard Kurtz, and show the agenda driven intent.
SANFORD, Fla. — WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.
The information could support George Zimmerman’s claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.
The autopsy results come as Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.
O’Mara wouldn’t comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it’s better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.
WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.
When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman’s bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.
“It goes along with Zimmerman’s story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin,” Sheaffer said.
The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman’s story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk. (read more)
This is important because Funeral Director Richard Kurtz specifically and intentionally injected himself into the Scheme Team narrative as an advocate by providing them support, and cover, with his declaration that Trayvon’s body showed no visible signs of a scuffle.
These guys like Richard Kurtz are all providing media fuel, and cover, for the initial Benjamin Crump and Natalie Jackson created storyline. And when I say created, I do indeed mean created; as in intentionally false, intentionally misleading, and totally made-up.
All.Of.It.
It is unlikely that this young man had a future that did not include a difficult journey through drug rehab.
Moreover an amateur might well expect such findings as these based upon fair observation of Martin in the 7-11 video, Martin’s long slow meandering 1/2 mile journey from the 7/11 to his sad fate and rom the description of him Martin Zimmerman provided to the police.
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Why Did Trayvon Martin’s Funeral Director Lie? I’d expect he lied for reasons of racial solidarity and for the prospect of business referrals.
I’m so glad to see that the folks over there at The Conservative Treehouse are continuing on their quest to post whatever wild theories may pop into their heads regarding the Zimmerman case.
They go on and on in this most recent post about how the funeral director supposedly “lied” yet there they are… lying in their very own post.
The writer claims that the autopsy report documents “bruising” on the hands when, lo and behold, no such bruising is noted at all.
Furthermore, the writer walks himself out to the end of a limb claiming that Martin had brain and liver damage.
The writer makes no effort to demonstrate any sort of medical training which would lead him/her to said conclusion, choosing instead to just throw it out there for public consumption. In fact, in the comment section of the post linked above a person presenting himself as a medical professional cautions the writer about leaping to unfounded conclusions about these issues.
It will be interesting, once all is said and done, to see how many people on the Interwebz have exposed themselves to civil claims due to the things they’ve written about this case.
…“moderate beginning signs of brain damage”?? LOL
I gotta say, he sure lost me there, save to note that Conservative Bird House must be getting seriously desperate for more mudraking on the a dead teen. Losing his loyal following to other news, perhaps? Funny how that allusion to “brain damage” leads to no supporting medical examiner material… but it seems an appropriate ailment suffered by the penner of this yellow journalism. Brain damage indeed.
Naturally it’s a real inconvenience that the appearance of the liver was normal, mild fatty metamorphisis is not uncommon and does not have to be alcohol related (there is a NAFLD, ya know…), but can also be attributed to poor diets including an imbalance of high sugar and cholesterol foods to healthy foods like fruit, nuts and veggies.
But the ultimate clue for the clueless who quit reading is at the end of the the autopsy report summary (pg 6 of 23)… simple language for amateurs:
BTW, also from the autopsy? There are no gross pneumonic lesions or abnormal masses identified in the lungs, either. Guess all that heavy MJ use didn’t manifest in some magical onset of future lung cancer either. Surprised that, since he was in the business of hyperbole and tabloid news, he didn’t tag on that accusation as well.
Speaking of self-admitted “amateurs”, it was already noted by Dee in her prior phone call with Martin that he said he had waited out some of the heavier rain during his trip out. But I guess it’s downright criminal not to rush directly home in a downpour. Oh wait… according to Zimmerman, it is criminal activity, worthy of profiling.
And had Martin been stoned, the levels… which the stubborn and dedicated amateurs refuse to absorb.. would not be below most state’s levels of intoxication, even *after* the common post mortem spike in those same levels. What it notes is that he used marijuana… but not in the recent hours before his death.
Then, of course, there’s the solemn and ominous prediction that a dead teen had no future. Well hallejuah.. thank heavens that Zim was around to do God’s work, ridding the world of one future criminal. /sarc
But no future… really? Another three marijuana users went on to become POTUS,. Yet another marijuana user became the Governor of Alaska and a Veep candidate. As a matter of fact, 40 politicians (including governors, Congress members, various high level admin members), 16 of them Republicans, have admitted to smoking the evil weed post prohibition.
No future? LOL
So what’s next? A piece from The Onion? At least it would be good for a genuine laugh.
@Aye, apparently it was a two second “google education”, and he stopped when he saw fatty liver and alcohol. It was a connection of convenience for his purpose.
But then, when it comes to education, you gets what you pays for… especially when one spends so little time on it.
Actually, Hopkins had released a report about the NAFLD last fall, giving plenty of debunking for the hype that the medical profession has been applying. Liver disease is the 3rd largest killer of those aged 24-59, so it’s getting up there into the nanny government regulation press as well. But not all things are created equal. And as the med examiner noted, there was no abnormality found in the slide examinations of the hepatic parenchyma.
But it sure gave the gullible amateurs a happy few moments…. easy to do since fact checking and reading/learning is a lost art.
BTW, the med examiner did document an injury on his hand.
Yup. That’s it. Man.. didn’t even get injured giving Zim “the bird”…
Well Mata I would have a little more sympathy had they not lied from the start of the investigation to the medias outright mischaracterization of a 12 year old, the picture they kept posting of him, being murdered by a white man. The report clearly shows THC in his system and I personally know a number of people and our jails are full of violent pot smokers. Care to dispute that?
@Aleric, who is “they”? The medical examiners did not lie. The funeral director also didn’t lie.
INRE photos, Aye’s posted various years of Martin, and defied anyone to identify his age, but the blame needs to be placed on the media – not the investigative officials or the funeral director – searching for any available photos of the subjects. Zimmerman had an arrest record, so his mug shot was a piece of cake. Not so easy with Martin, since they needed family or friends to provide personal photos. If you are looking for me to disagree that the media is filled with inept idiots with an agenda, you won’t get one. And, in fact, ConservativeTreeHouse is one of those inept media types in the blog world.
Don’t know what you mean about knowing “a number of people” or what context that is. But the amount of people that not only smoke pot, but also that do not disapprove (save for wanting it to be treated like alcohol when driving, etc) far outnumber those that don’t in this country.
So lets go to your comment about “violent pot smokers” that are filling our jails. I don’t know what your measure is of this as fact, save for some personal poll amongst people you know. I’d be willing to wager that you probably know, come into contact with, and/or do business with far more people that smoke than you could guess. But this “violent pot smokers” stuff is simply fantasy.
The FBI 2010 annual Uniform Crime Report is one of the few ways to attempt to track this. It documents that, to pot specifically, the vast majority of those arrested are incarcerated for possession. After simple possession (smallest amounts determined by state law, but we’re not talking poundage here), it’s the sale and/or “manufacture” (i.e. growers) that make up the rest.
And I’d sure like to see you cite some criminal defense cases where the accused went on a crime spree because he/she was on marijuana (i.e. as police who’ve shot criminals on the spot who are on amphetamines/crack). Get serious…
Of those arrested, the vast majority, if not close to all, are non violent convictions. Those more likely to have any violence associated would be sales/manufacturers and dealers. That’s not because of the use of the drug, but because dealers/distributors/manufacturers can end up in violence with other competing drug dealers… i.e. bad guy vs bad guy to protect product and turf. i.e. the violence associated with the Mexican drug cartels, the mafias, vs those that get in their way for profitability.
None of this relates to smoking pot as the reason for a violent nature. In fact, the 2003 study by Boles & Miotto note that the majority of pot smokers are not violent, and that it is one of the most popular illicit drugs which has been around for centuries.
If a personality is predisposed to violence or drug abuse, the actual drug abuse itself isn’t so much the problem as the predisposition and tendencies. Sort of a chicken/egg argument.
On the other hand, self-medicating with MJ is also used to calm aggression, as well as for pain and nausea. It’s not a stimulant, save for the appetite (thus the usual joke about being robbed of your Cheetos). Some of the above are reasons are why cancer patients, and those recovering with permanent damage from chemo, use it to stimulate their appetite and keep their nausea under control.
It’s neither an amphetamine or barbiturate. It’s not a physically addictive drug, such as opiates, but it can be a mentally addictive drug. Then again, so can anything else. You can be addicted to drinking cranberry juice each morning as a habit you enjoy and are adamant about doing, but you’re not physically addicted to the juice. You won’t be suffering from withdrawal by not smoking cannabis regularly.
The THC levels are a non issue. Not only because Martin had not smoked in the hours before his death, but because there is no paranoia due to drugs. There is ample reason to be feeling legitimately threatened when you’re walking thru a neighborhood, not doing anything wrong, returning home, and a stranger eyes you, follows you in a car, pursues you on foot, spends more minutes hunting for you, then when you meet “reaches” for something as a result of the verbal exchange. That is justifiable threat, no matter what your state of mind.
As I have stated before, Martin’s use of marijuana has nothing to do with the event. However Zimmerman’s regular drugs of Adderall and Temazapan might actually provide him with a medical defense for his own aggressive behavior and poor profiling skills. He was convinced that Martin was a criminal that he wasn’t going to let get away, as evidenced by his relentless actions, his “f*&ckin’ punks” and “they always get away” remarks.
Those remarks keep surfacing in his later variations, and still to this day, with no remorse or change of heart in finding out that Martin had every right to be where he was. In fact, Zim and O’Mara’s foolish choice to do the Hannity interview, to get the public donations flowing again, really don’t do him a lot of good. The confession that he didn’t regret anything, and would do exactly the same… despite the fact that he killed a teen staying in the neighborhood, and not a criminal… is not going to play in his favor. It seems that, even today in Zimmerman’s mind, Martin is still a “f*#kin’ punk”… but he seems to be content that he didn’t let this one “get away”.
Oh yes, before someone decides to link to the many “marijuana detox” business opportunities out there, the “withdrawal” from pot they discuss is like that of tobacco… mostly a craving. However nicotine is the addictive drug in tobacco, and unlike THC in pot. You’d have to smoke a heck of a lot of weed to have any nicotine withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, and it’s one of the reasons that marijuana is not seriously linked to lung cancers.
However, like all psychological effects and additions, there are plenty of programs that can address the mental addictions, as well as the physical addictions of the more serious drugs like opiates, barbiturates and amphetamines.
“They” are the parents of Treyyvon, the news media and the Liberal Left who tried and succeeded it seems in getting people like the president to believe that the picture of the 12 year old was the person that Zimmerman shot. Not the gold toothed, tattooed up, thug gangsta wanna be drug buying and selling teenager that he actually was. I deal with his type every day, they walk thru my neighborhood scoping out houses and cars to try and break into. I have fought pot heads of all color and ethnicities who are violent before during and after their daily tokes. So for someone to say they rule out Pot as a deciding factor in any encounter is not only a key factor in that persons mindset but smacks to me of someone who is also a smoker. Making excuses for Pot use is a dead giveaway that the person is now or has been a user of cannabis.
Aleric, this isn’t a left/right issue. Jeralyn over at TalkLeft is a hard core leftie that usually no conservative would give the time of day to. She’s busy after the Aurora shooting, moaning and groaning about the sale of body armor. Oh wait, drj is doing that here too. Guess that’s not a left/right issue either.
On the flip side, another left leaning criminal defense attorney, Masoninblue over at Frederick Leatherman Law Blog, views the evidence we’ve seen, as well as the professionals involved, much like Aye and myself. It really depends upon if one wants to step back and look at the stories told by Zimmerman himself, the time line of events and the evidence – or whether you want to assign a personality or character to one party or another in order to form your opinion. I do the former. As far as character, I’ve said here often enough that I probably wouldn’t want to hang around either Zimmerman or Martin. Doesn’t matter to me what they were like personally. It matters to me what happened that night.
Why you can chastise those you call “they”, then turn around and form opinions about the life and personality of a teen you don’t know, doesn’t strike me as a balanced or unemotional view.
And I’m laughing at all these “violent” encounters you have with “potheads”. If you want to compare which drug is more likely to contribute to violence, it would be Adderall/Temazapan over marijuana. And the other pesky reality is that while Zimmerman WAS on those drugs (by his own admittance), Martin was not stoned that evening. So it’s not a contributing factor to Martin’s behavior… who was the one being threatened that night, not Zimmerman… despite your personal assertions that pot is drug that causes the user to be violent. Nor have you provided any statistics to support your personal opinion. On the flip side, the jails are filled with non violent potheads for possession, and most of the dealers/distributors are also there not for violent behavior while under the influence, but for dealing.
Personally, I’m not willing to throw most of the Vietnam vets of my generation, and those I still know today, who smoked pot then (and many still do now), and consider them degenerate citizens because they like to inhale. I know you are a veteran, and I find it hard to believe you’d consider any of those you know that do smoke are violent simply because they do. Those with violent tendencies will exhibit those traits whether they smoke, or not.
BTW, in your litany about a “thug gangsta wannabe”, I notice you included a trait of negatives – being tatooed up. I find this ironic, considering your gravitar. I also find it ironic considering that Zimmerman also has tatoos. Or are tatoos only a negative for a young black teen that you feel the personal need to demonize so that you don’t have to pay attention to the actual Zimmerman accounts, and the evidence that contradicts those accounts?
@Aleric:
How old was Trayvon in this picture?
@Aleric:
Sort of like making excuses for vigilantes with delusions of grandeur who stereotype urban youths as criminals on sight is a dead giveaway of… what pray tell?
Aleric, is this where you got all your information on the effects of Marijuana? Please tell us more about pot heads. I haven’t had a laugh like this in a while. and I’m a crazy violent stoner who loves to laugh!
ALERIC
I think it tell us about the unmanagable sudden explosive behavior, of TRAYVON MARTIN,
IF WE READ OF WHAT HIS LIVER HAD BEEN TRANSFORMED IN A STAGNANT
MORE THAN NORMAL AMOUNT OF THAT GREEN BILE,
IT WOULD ALSO PUT YOU ON ALERT TO WATCH THE MOVE OF THOSE THUGS YOU SEE ON YOUR STREETS, WHICH AT ANY SECOND COULD BE INFLAME WITH HATE MAKING THEM DANGEROUS AS THE DRUG THEY TAKE IS POISONING THEIR LIVER.
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Seriously Bees? Seriously?
Come on now… you aren’t allowing yourself to get suckered into every wild theory that is placed before you? Are you? Surely not.
From Mata’s post #3 above in which she quotes the autopsy report:
There was no bruising on Martin’s hands.
There was nothing wrong with Martin’s brain.
There was nothing wrong with Martin’s liver.
The author that posted this pile of dog crap over at The Conservative Treehouse is a liar. I’ve commented on the thread over there calling the author out on his dishonesty but he doesn’t have the courage to confront me. Nor does he have the courage or the decency to correct the record.
Bees, don’t let these sideshow barkers fool you into buying what they’re selling.
Their interest is not in the truth but, rather, an agenda.
AYE
YES, THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE.
BYE
@Tom:
And there is the race card. Yep. but of course you might want to look a little closer at those you seem to think are racist, sort of like those in the media who called George Zimmerman a white guy.
The information I have on the effects of pot on people comes from first hand experience. I don’t need a study by academia to tell me what I have witnessed in my life. From the ex friends who dealt pot from their homes and living it up until getting busted and doing jail time for dealing. To ex girl friends who lied and stole while sleeping with dealers to get their weekly delivery. Or having people think that because someone stayed with you it gives them the right to come demanding money until a .45 shows them the error of their thought process. How about living next to the local section 8 housing and seeing all the do rag wearing wanna be’s on the corner all hours of the night talking to cars pulling up and then away. We know they are simply expressing their urban culture and spreading the good word.
Sell it to a Liberal, dude, some of us are not buying the BS anymore.
It’s terribly sad if funeral directors, like this one, have to see many teenage dead bodies.
But I think back to my teenage years and that of my brothers and think to myself, we were all covered with cuts and bruises from playing all summer.
My speed skating kept me fairly bruised up all year round.
Two of my brothers payed baseball, the other liked boxing.
All got broken bones, bruises, cuts and scrapes.
For Trayvon to only have a tiny cut on one knuckle might as well be ”nothing,” compared to the stuff we had every day!
I don’t fault the funeral director for his statement.
That little cut was insignificant EXCEPT as it related to being in a recent bare-knuckles fight.
@Aleric:
There you are, bringing up race again, yet I can’t find exactly where I mentioned it. Are you conflating the word “urban” with the word “black”? Not a surprise, since imprecision seems to be one of your hallmarks.
You know someone who slept with a dealer for pot? Are you sure you’re not getting your drugs mixed up? I also can’t help but notice how your sample is composed entirely of “ex-friends”. That wouldn’t be reason to call your impartiality and judgement into question, would it?
Since you’ve pointedly ignored the information placed before you in prior posts, and we’ve now descended to the realm of anecdote, I could very well point out that in my travels I’ve known dozens of people who have used Marijuana at one time or another. The only things they all have in common is none of them were ever arrested while using; none of them were ever violent or got into anything resembling a brawl under the influence; none of them fell into financial difficulty because of it; in fact, none of them ever displayed any sort of negative addictive behavior of the kind you’re alluding to. Yes, it is a vice, but a relatively benign one. Simple research, available even to the willfully blind, will show that recorded instances of violence or anti-social behavior directly attributable to marijuana use are extremely rare in relation to its overall usage, not in the same ballpark, say, as alcohol. A good 90% of the people I knew in my youth and early 20s who smoked pot eventually one day just stopped, no struggle, no physical withdrawals, no big deal. They lost interest, or didn’t have the time, or didn’t have an easy source, and they moved on without thinking twice. I can’t say that about alcohol. I can’t say that about tobacco. I can name ten people off the top of my head right now who are still occasional users and also have things like PHDs and MBAs. They’re people who are very successful in their communities, in business, in the academic world, in the scientific world. Some of them even go to Church! And you’d never have a clue if you saw them, because they don’t fit your stereotype (not a “do rag” among them). Because they’re not “expressing their urban culture”. Yet these are people I actually KNOW use it, not people I see on the street that I point at and say “pot head” without a shred of evidence.
Now your ignorance doesn’t personally offend me. But I can’t deny that to the extent it amuses me, there’s a counter-currant of sadness and disgust knowing that it’s people like yourself , people who come to a conclusion before weighing any facts or doing any research, who contribute to the spreading of further ignorance. You’re like a carrier of a disease in that regard. And that’s too bad, when you think of the difficulty and misery that can attend a cancer patient who can’t obtain Marijuana, even when it’s recommended by his/her physician, largely because of a social stigma with no scientific grounding that’s intentionally propagated by people like you. And why? I assume for some political “cultural warrior” type of BS, or some weird baggage that your posts more than hint at.
@Tom:
You understand Tom that your individual life observations do not necessarily falsify those of Aleric. You and Aleric might move in substantially different social circles. Moreover Aleric might be a more keen social observer than you. My family and I came from working class ethic neighborhoods in America’s Northeast urban corridor, neighborhoods that were besieged and overwhelm by the Underclass. My observations are more akin to those of Aleric.
@Mike O’Malley:
I do understand that, Mike. That’s why i characterized the swapping of tales as “descending” to anecdote. Let’s be clear though. Aleric has been offered plenty of pertinent information, which he’s chosen to ignore, trusting his own limited experiences over samples that one might actually draw conclusions from. I merely offered a different take, to illustrate to those who might be swayed by Aleric’s characterization that it’s one person’s take.
There’s another important distinction however. I know what the people I described ingested. Does Aleric? Did he take samples from the people on the street whom he claim’s he witnessed smoking and then being “violent”? I bring this up because his characterization of the effects of Marijuana just don’t compute. But know drug that behavior might describe? PCP. Do you know how PCP is administered? It’s a liquid into which a cigarette or “joint” is dipped and then smoked. I have a close friend who was on the narcotics unit of a small City with a bad PCP problem and he said it could take three full grown men to bring down someone on that drug. My point: Aleric is probably spreading false information based on his perception of the events he’s described. But unless he’s privy to exactly what these people are smoking, it’s all speculation on his part.
@Mike O’Malley:
Exactly Mike, Tom is one of those people who buys from a local dealer or friend and never sees the people who smuggle in the drugs or set up grow sites with booby traps like they have in my state. To him Pot is a funny drug to sit back and get high with and laugh with his friends about the people that dont do it. Never mind that those who grow and sell it have and will deal in violence and most deal in more than just pot. Or the ones that get kids to sell for them so they can keep from going to jail while they try and rob the occasional person they sell to when they get low on funds. Never mind that it fuels cartels and most criminal organizations across the world.
It appears that ignoring facts are the hallmark of those trying to kid themselves that pot use is a larger crime.
@Tom:
The only person spreading false information is you.
I have many friends in the law enforcement and also the DEA in my state. But obviously if someone doesnt believe the way you do then they are somehow delusional as to what is happening 5 feet in front of them. Because pot doesnt have a smell that you can tell from a long way off.
@Mike O’Malley:
I should also point out, Mike, I came from a middle-class upbringing in the Northeast corridor and grew up in a very Urban environment. I have seen a lot, good and bad. I am not trying to white wash drug use. Perhaps you have chosen to carry your experiences and allow them to inform you in a different way than I have. My choice was, to the extent it’s possible (no one is perfect), not to stereotype anyone, nor hold a grudge against any particular group. To judge each person separately. When you talk about your experiences in the past, I don’t see what that has to do with any particular person whom you don’t know, say, Trayvon Martin. If you’re seeing him through a lens other than what you specifically know about him, you are opening yourself up prejudgement.
@Aleric:
Interesting, Aleric. I thought your contention was that this drug caused specific behavior, violent behavior, but here you have me and my friends just sitting around, having a laugh. So which is it, the drug or the person, that’s responsible for the antisocial behavior? Now are you going to tell us it causes negative behavior in some, but not in others? A rather curious drug. Are you trying to advance a consistent argument, one that might apply to this case, or just whining about your neighbors?
You can count on it 😉
That is an admirable but neigh impossible goal. We all stereotype to some degree because it helps us navigate through life and it works. At times it might not be fair and this may be one of those times as you seem to be stereotyping Aleric the individual.
By the way the race card would never be thrown unless the thrower expected it to be effective. Effective it is. Why? Because American Blacks and American Progressives stereotype those ordinary Americans from whom they are alienated; and American Blacks and American Progressives are therefore susceptible to demagogic appeals based on those stereotypes.
Again an admirable goal, although one wonders whether it should be amended so: … nor hold a grudge against any politically protected group. Interminable interpersonal grudge matches accumulate and displace into group grudge matches as a matter of human nature. The webs of conflict and grudge are ever shifting but they are ever present.
A lot of things fuel criminal organizations across the world and if you are more astute than you seem to have been so far you might well find that a goodly part of the world’s petroleum reserves are controlled by criminal organizations operating under the guise of sovereign states.
@Mike O’Malley:
It would be helpful if you clarified whom you’re responding to, since those quotes are not all attributable to me.
@Tom:
Opps I was responding to and quoting you Tom.
We are fallen creature Tom, you and I. Oft we are can find the speck in our brother’s eye yet miss the plank in our own. It is when we are most confident in our own purity in this regard that we (you and I) are most dangerous.
@Mike O’Malley:
Yes, Mike, I know that one. Believe it or not, I have a passing familiarity with that book. The protagonist is my favorite advocate of wealth redistribution. But all kidding aside, my point was not to point out fault, but to help you clarify whom you were responding to.
Back to stereotyping, Mike, I don’t think I claimed I was immune or above it. I merely disagree with you that it’s helpful. While I don’t know this for a fact, I think it’s fair to wonder how much stereotyping of appearance played into Zimmerman’s evaluation of Martin on the night in question. You claim it “helps us navigate through life and it works”. There are two great flaws with that reasoning. One, a stereotype as it applies to any specific individual simply works or it doesn’t work. It’s right or wrong, but never always right. Therefore, unlike a fact, it is a flawed device. Two a stereotype is not static. Those who contend that Trayvon Martin, for example, was dressed in a certain manner that invited suspicion were trading on a stereotype. But it is not unheard of for me to see a young man dressed in baggy pants and/or a hoodie on the bus reading The Economist, or Plato’s Republic. This is how many, many young people in high school and college dress now. So it is equally flawed in that regard. There are many factors that contribute to how I perceive a person, and dress certainly comes into it. But any codified set of rules that take into account appearance is doomed from the start by imprecision and time.
Perhaps now you can point out specifically how I stereotyped Aleric rather than just accusing me of doing so?
TOM
what you have dscribed with your group of friends, remind me of a picture of young OBAMA
among his friends he was so happy to be among them having drug together and all of them have that same gaga smile of drugs users , it tell you what their future endeavour will become, nothing but a robotic
inane stunt human with a brain scar stopping their judgement to evaluate a complicated problem which even a young student can find.
sad if they are seeking position which at the end make other see their inability to think on a straight line
which they always want it crooked.
You mean all those “robotic” humans with little hope for notable “future endeavors” because they suffer from “brain scars”, and are are unable to “think on a straight line” like George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Sarah Palin and Obama… along with 36 other Congress members, federal and state high level admin members… who also have publicly admitted to smoking the evil weed?
Get a grip.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Thank you for the compliment. Please do me a favor though and point our exactly where I described personally using Marijuana.
TOM
I did not say the word MARIJUANA, I USE THE WORD DRUGS,
MATA
SH SH, I was trying to scare the young people who want a bright future,
could probably not stand the pressure involved on the job, and default miserably. if they touch that stuff, as we witness now.
bye
@Aye:
The report does mention a wound on the left hand fourth finger. In order for bruising to occur it is necessary for the circulatory system to be working. This ceased to be the case when he died.
Aleric
now I remember you from far, and you know what?
I believe your story now.
I was disappointed when I read the autopsy, only a scratch on one of his left hands but you won’t always have bruises or excessive cuts when punching someone and the kid is black. Is it harder to see bruises? Well, I guess you can’t believe anything on the internet. Everyone has an axe to grind. This site obviously does as well.
The only thing you can believe is source documents. I have read Huffington post articles and they quote someone or tell me what is in a bill and lo and behold, when I read it, it did’t say what they said it all in the yellow journalistic headline. I’m afraid the credibility is gone once you claim the autopsy says bruising and you have placed yourself in a really bad category, that of Huffington post, a filthy rag.
At any rate, no one can deny that he was beating Zimmerman’s ass and slamming his head into the concrete. Really, the only theory that works is that Trayvon, for whatever reason, scared or paranoid, wailed on Zimmerman. And got the upper hand, attempting to beat him into unconsciousness, whereupon Zimmerman retaliated with force. Why he followed him is really irrelevant. It was a guy in a hoodie walking around his neighborhood in the dark. Don’t hoodies hide your face? The theory that Zimmerman decided to simply kill a black kid for racism’s sake is a joke.
Karl Disher
welcome,with us,
here we start last year, when it happen and came out on our authors making their POST STORY,
we really got in the subject, POST AFTER POST, SOME WHERE ON EACH SIDE,
IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO DEBATE EACH OUR SIDE, ABOUT AT LEAST 10 POSTS
we had experts on figuring the road and their walk toward the last activity,
if you want to check just click on: CATEGORY AND ARCHIVES AND CHECK ON THE TITLE BY THE NAMES
OF TRAYVON OR ZIMMERMAN, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR TIME,
THERE ARE MANY DETAILS ON THE CASE MORE THAN NOW ALSO, BECAUSE IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING,
AND HERE NOW ANOTHER SET OF AT LEAST 10 WHICH WE FOLLOW LIKE TAME ANIMALS
WITH OUR OPINION, and no one has been kill or injured within our group yet,
but it came close to confrontation at hot times,
best to you