That’s it. That’s what all the hysteria is about: A president talked to a foreign leader about a problem/shared interest. Like all presidents do.But Trump isn’t a president in the eyes of the left and the NeverTrump rump (but I repeat myself), so things other presidents are allowed to do without question are impeachable offenses if he does them.
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1176885508678438912
We are now in the stage of grief on Twitter/media where the media and other Resistance folks are realizing that their assertions without evidence that the transcript is "bad" are not being bought by people who don't share their extreme anti-Trumpist bias.
— Mollie (@MZHemingway) September 25, 2019
It’s “sickening” to ask about the origins of the Russia Hoax endlessly pushed by NeverTrump fey urban liberals, says a NeverTrump fey urban liberal:
Care to explain why discussion and request for cooperation with a DOJ investigation into the origins of the Russia hoax and its known intersections with Ukraine is not in our interest? Why it's "sickening"?
— Mollie (@MZHemingway) September 25, 2019
One analyst says this of the NeverTrump rump:
Russia hoax made them look stupid.
Ukraine hoax exposes them as complicit.
Meanwhile, the “whistleblower complaint” the left and NeverTrump rump (but I repeat myself) have been saying is where the real action is will be a dud as well:
@retire05:
Him or his staff probably wrote the complaint. This POS needs to be investigated to see who is pulling his strings. He is damaging the country.
@Deplorable Me:
Whoever it was was just caught in another lie. The State Department just revealed that the State Department official the “whistleblower” claimed was in on the phone call wasn’t in on the phone call.
Republicans want whistleblower’s sources, as inconsistencies in complaint emerge
Seriously? Did these questioning republicans take note of Trump’s comment earlier today?
Maybe they need to be asking themselves some different questions, unless they’ve all decided to go down with the ship.
The whistleblower complaint, read in its entirety. It’s presented as a free streaming audio file.
@Greg: We simply cannot have some lame liberal one world order deep state clown that doesnt like a Presidents foreign Policy filing complaints, then they get to be anon? Are you drunk? They dont get to choose policy or tone they are not elected.They dont have to name sources? Are you HIGH?
10 pages of BS for a 30 minute call created by a lawfirm expressly paying for dirt on the President.
You must be drunk and high you can read an audio file.
How desperate they are they know not one of the candidates can beat Trump in an election no matter how much candy the offer they have NO platform just empty promises.
Are you aware that the tale that Ukraine was behind the 2016 election meddling rather than Russia is being promoted by the Russians? They’re also pushing the story that Zelensky is a Soros operative, working on behalf of the Democratic Party. Some of the b.s. conspiracy theories the right buys into are straight out of Pravda:
Who is going to crush Zelensky – Biden or Trump?
@Greg: We know the problems of Trump came straight out of the DNC and Barrys weaponized IC, same place its coming from now.
His UN speech this year is why.
@another vet: Like Schiff’s rendition of what Trump would have said if he was a Democrat, it appears NOTHING the whistle blower accused was true, aside from the accusation that there was a phone call.
@Greg:
Yes, because not only are they lying, but they are spying, serving enemies of the state and illegally exposing classified information.
Did you take note that EVERYTHING you, the whistle blower, the whistle blower’s sources (including the media) and Democrats (including the media) have LIED about every aspect of this situation?
Are you aware that no one says that is the case? Ukraine provided Hillary with some dirt to be used against Trump; they provided the discredited “black ledger”, which is believed to be a fabrication. But, apparently, you don’t CARE about foreign interference unless it helps Democrats. That’s pretty low.
Except we know the WHISTLE BLOWER is the Soros tool.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/26/dossier-2-0-whistleblower-complaint-relies-on-soros-funded-investigative-reporting-group-that-partnered-with-buzzfeed/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29
Biden was simply trying to protect a revenue stream. He was just trying to protect his son and some income by using the full power of the United States of America.
Did Biden, who’s son worked for a company that was being investigated by prosecutor Shokin, threaten to withhold US funds unless the President of Ukraine fired that prosecutor and ended that investigation? Think you can answer that question? YES OR NO.
@Deplorable Me, #57:
Trump is not the United States. He’s only a temporary office-holder. Some are apparently more loyal to the man than they are to the office and the people’s constitutional government that it’s a part of. Such personal loyalty is not an expression of patriotism. Who exposed classified information?
Shokin wasn’t actually conducting an investigation of Burisma. There was no such investigation to be stopped. The generally recognized problem with Viktor Shokin was his failure to actively investigate. This wasn’t only the U.S. government’s view; it was the prevailing view among western European governments and of the International Money Fund. Pressing for Shokin’s removal was an openly acknowledged part of official U.S. policy, which Biden was openly pursuing in his official capacity. There was nothing for Biden to hide about his part in Shokin’s ouster. In fact, he publicly claimed credit for it in 2018 at a Council on Foreign Affairs event.
In Ukraine, Trump’s allies are corrupt oligarchs and Russian stooges
@Greg: Enemies of the state will do great harm to the nation in order to dispose of Trump because the more they try, the more they are exposed. It has become existential; them or the country. They serve the Global Community, not the United States; they want the wealth of the US to support their global socialism.
Well, at least you keep your record intact…. 100% wrong all the time.
See #8.
He was investigating Burisma and Biden DID extort his firing. But, this is the sort of corruption you are fine with because, well… Democrats.
There is a very good reason why the whistle blower account in no way whatsoever matches what was actually said on the phone conversation; Democrats are liars.
@Deplorable Me, #59:
John Solomon’s “evidence” against Biden showcases a statement by Viktor Shokin, who was ousted for failure to investigate and prosecute corrupt Ukrainian figures—as if he were a trustworthy source. We’ve also got a translation of an undated statement from Ukraine’s Prosecutor General. Guess who that is. Then we’ve got a Human Source Validation Report purported to refer to Christopher Steele that’s so heavily redacted that it can’t be determined who its about, or what’s being said about them. There’s no meaningful content at all, and it’s so poorly reproduced that it’s probably an enlargement of a document that appeared elsewhere. What the Samantha Powers email has to do with any of this is anybody’s guess. It seems totally irrelevant to the matter at hand. The next document is funnier still. It’s 100 percent redacted. A header, a closing, and a big white rectangle hiding everything else. And so on.
So, we’ve got Solomon waving this trash around on a FOX News Alert with Hannity looking, asserting that it actually means something, and Gateway Pundit picking up on that and proclaiming “BREAKING: Solomon Bombshell — Ukrainian Prosecutor Shokin Details BIDEN’S SHAKEDOWN — WILL LIKELY END BIDEN CAMPAIGN!”
It’s ridiculous. It distraction. And it’s wearing very, very thin. The Trump administration’s three-year cover up is going to come down like a house of cards. It’s getting closer with every passing day. And it’s his own fault. No lessons were learned anywhere along the way.
@Greg: You would need to have followed the coup revelation from the beginning not sucked koolaid for nearly 3 years. We know the players, Soloman has been the journalist following clues revealing the connections to the DNC and Stinkys attempted theft of the election. Dealing with Bernie was easy, he saw what happened to JFK jr.. He chose the lake house and fancy car.
Biden will be collateral damage they can blame on Trump.
@retire05:
I have no doubt Schiff is in this up to his creepy pencil neck. (I fixed it for you)
Fox host Stuart Varney insists Trump has never lied to the American people
WALSH: Stuart, do you believe this president lies?
VARNEY: No.
WALSH: You don’t believe he’s ever lied?
VARNEY: He exaggerates and spins.
WALSH: OK. Do you believe he’s ever told the American people a lie?
VARNEY: No.
Seriously, Varney is either lying to himself, or he’s completely nuts. I’ll go with lying to himself. I think his problem is a common problem. If he admits Trump has lied about anything, the dam will crack and burst, and then he’ll have to deal with everything, including the extent of his own delusion. That’s enough to scare anybody. Walsh, at least, has acknowledged that he was wrong.
Nothing is so threatening to cult members as ex-cult members.
@Greg: A talking head said something you dont agree with. BFHD.
Soloman uploaded over 400 documents he knows where the bodies are buried. JW also uses Declassified documents, FOIA baby.
@Greg:
YET, what we have here is a very credible accusation, backed up by the idiot Biden’s own bragging, that extortion was used to end the investigation that COULD have ended up focusing on Hunter Biden. So, therefore, Trump requesting Ukraine complete the investigation is completely proper and logical.
Now, compare that to what the impeachment hysteria is based on; a guy says some people told him they heard something, and then they saw some liberal media reports that alarmed them, and Trump is real bad so he PROBABLY did something wrong. It’s all based on hearsay. NOTHING is based on evidence.
Now, which scenario has more of a basis in fact? (note: that’s not a trick question)
Then, you have the ENTIRE LEFT screaming about accusations that have no basis in fact and which not a single detail aligns with the actual phone call the complaint is about. You people a pitifully desperate. It is embarrassing. You should be embarrassed and ashamed.
Actually, people have been pointing out matters of urgent concern having to do with the Trump campaign and the Trump administration every step of the way for well over three years now. Red warning flags were flying about Trump’s character, his shady past, his questionable business practices, and his gutter-politics modus operandi early on during the primaries and the republican debates, as he methodically picked off each of his republican opponents one by one, by way of insults, personal attacks, outright lies, and character assassination.
More than half of the voters had seen through this “billionaire” shyster long before election day—nearly 3 million more, to be specific. That didn’t matter, and why it didn’t matter remains the subject of ongoing debate. Because of the electoral college is really only part of the answer, completely ignoring the question about how the electoral college system might have been played by a foreign power via highly sophisticated, carefully targeted social media manipulation. That manipulation actually did happen. There’s no question about it. No one can fully quantify the effect, but that doesn’t mean there was none. We can only observe that there has never before in American history been so great a lack of correspondence between the popular election result and the electoral college result. It’s a totally unprecedented anomaly.
The latest development has only brought the entire situation with all its many facets to a head. It looks for all the world like a second attempt to use a foreign nation to rig an election, following on calculated efforts to set a president above the law, to break the law to nullify congressional oversight, and to obstruct any investigation at any level that might provide evidence leading to impeachment.
That last point may turn out to have been the last straw, but there have been enough straws before it to fill a hay wagon—all of which have been ignored by people who think each and every one has been some minor, isolated, or fabricated event. In fact, they’re all pieces of a single picture puzzle.
@Greg: Trump never gives in on deals, this is proof there was no deal with Ukraine they got the 250 million in military aid.
Al Green spouted off why they are out to impeach Trump, ” If we don’t impeach this president, he will get re-elected.” Green was running his yap before this latest bullscat.
Fabricated or orchestrated events there is zero evidence for, wild conspiracy theory built on accusations only. Nothing new same techniques.
We really dont care if 2 states with high population chose a different evil, you spout off about the constitution the electoral college vote is in the constitution to prevent the mob rule you wish for.
The recycled arguments you post have been debunked.
Hillary simply was a crappy candidate she was beat by a 1 term Senator in fact he never completed a full term as senator.
@Greg: “I think I heard some guys talking about something” is not an urgent concern. It’s gossip. A rumor. And that’s what it STILL is.
Just THINK for a change, Greg. You fully believed golden showers… nothing. (by the way, so did I… that’s where I learned my lesson. I’m smart.) You FULLY BELIEVED collusion… nothing. You fully believed obstruction…. nothing. You fully believed emoluments… nothing. Now, despite the accusation not matching the FACTS, you fully believe more bias-driven conspirators. ALREADY we know what is there… NOTHING. When will YOU learn? When will YOU become smart?
I still strongly suspect there was collusion, even though Mueller couldn’t find evidence that would nail the case for it down beyond a shadow of doubt in a courtroom; I know there have been numerous efforts made to obstruct of justice, some of which have entailed breaking other laws to achieve that end; I know Trump lies constantly, because he says things that simply are not true, and I’m neither one of his hypnotized sheep nor a person incapable of recognizing glaring contradictions between words and realities. I also realize that there are few things more dangerous than a person like Trump in a corner, when they still have enormous powers to create distraction, confusion, and general havoc at their disposal. I think he might launch missiles to change the subject, and then set about convincing people it was done out of necessity. That’s where my level of confidence in this administration presently is.
There is absolutely nothing I like about the situation the nation finds itself in at the moment. I look forward to impeachment proceedings and/or the 2020 election with about the same degree of enthusiasm and optimism with which I would look forward to painful, dangerous surgery. But that apprehension isn’t sufficient to make me prefer accepting what I think might be a fatal affliction. I think this guy would set the divided halves of the country against one another to further his own ends, even at the risk of destroying the whole. This is how he has done politics, right from the start. Anyone not for him is the enemy.
@Greg: If you still believe in collusion by anyone other than the Democrats then you are a fool. Sorry. That’s just a fact.
November 5, 2019 – Key diplomat changes testimony and admits quid pro quo with Ukraine
What I believe is that Donald Trump was withholding military assistance from Ukraine, a nation resisting armed territorial incursion by Putin’s military forces, in an effort to bully the Ukrainian government into drumming up an investigation he could use to discredit Joe Biden. That’s what the whistleblower reported, that’s what the telephone “transcript” shows, and that’s what multiple credible witnesses directly involved in the situation have testified. Rudy Giuliani, who has no business whatsoever meddling in U.S. foreign affairs, was actively working to undermine State Department policy with respect to Ukraine pursuant to that objective. It isn’t clear who was paying him to do so, but disturbing possibilities exist.
@Greg: Did you read Transcript of testimony by former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch in House impeachment inquiry? I did I have no clue why they would give her such a position. She has memory issues, was unable to grasp what was going on. Her speech mannerisms the transcript could have been pages shorter if she just could for more than 1 sentence refrain from using “You Know”. Circumstances of her being briefed on a classified call before it was declassified after she was canned and given a teaching job at a university, just flittered out of her memory.
What we need is the testimony of the previous Ambassador when Soros puppet Prez Poroshenko was in power squashing all investigations into corruption.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/interview/618506.html
Sean Hannity got her fired? Bwahahaha page 117
@kitt, #72:
For whatever it’s worth, Interfax-Ukraine is owned by Interfax, a Moscow-based Russian news group.
@Greg: Funny, but Schitt’s lame excuse for all his secrecy was so witnesses could not hear other testimony and fashion their own testimony on that. Yet, this appears to be exactly what Sonderland has done. And he still maintains Trump EMPHATICALLY stated no quid pro quo, but the Ukrainians must address corruption.
It was simply Biden’s and the DNC’s bad luck that the corruption includes Biden’s ADMITTED actions.
We now know Burisma invoked Hunter’s name to Obama’s State Department in asking they stop the corruption investigation into their company and then Biden scurried over to Ukraine and made them stop. Clear and documented.
Democrats have NOTHING and their actions confirm this.
@Greg: Does that change facts?
Read the transcript, the Ambassador said the prosecutor Joe Biden said was “solid” wasnt any different than the one he got fired.
@kitt, #75:
It should make you wonder how factual Andriy Derkach’s “facts” actually are.
Derkach’s Ukrainian political orientation has been pro-Russian. His father was a KGB officer, and he himself is an elected delegate of the Russian Orthodox Church, which is generally viewed as politically pro-Russian.
Derkach claims Joe BIden received one million dollars in consulting fees from Burmisa through Rosemont Seneca Partners, but there’s no evidence that Rosemont Seneca Partners ever paid Joe Biden a nickel. Joe Biden’s only connection with Rosemont is that the investment management firm was co-founded by his son, Hunter, who quite possibly gained credibility with potential investors by way of his father’s name and reputation.
There’s no evidence that Hunter Biden has seen any financial return from his involvement with Rosemont, either. He announced in October that he was resigning from his position with the firm.
@Greg:
Yet, even after he promised you he had a mountain of evidence proving Trump colluded with the Russians, which just went up in a puff of smoke when Mueller’s report came out, you still believe every word Schitt tells you.
@Greg:
Biden has invested about $420,000 into the firm for a 10 percent equity stake in the company. a company worth now 2.5 billion, do the math.
10% * 2.5 billion = 250,000,000 smackers.
Big joe lives in a pretty big house.Joe Biden is renting a lavish, multi-million dollar mansion in the Washington, D.C. suburbs as he seeks the 2020 Democrat presidential nomination. Biden, who pitches himself as “Middle Class Joe” on the campaign trail, has resided in a 11,750 square foot Georgian-style mansion since departing the vice presidency, according to the Washington Post .20K a month rent what is that guys government pension? The Bidens reported adjusted gross income of $392,233 and paid $91,546 in total federal taxes. rent 240K utilities? he must clip coupons.
I believe what the witnesses are saying. Schiff and others are only making certain that they’re going to be heard. Why would anyone trust those who are trying to prevent that?
@Greg: If you believe them, then you believe there is no impeachable offense. For, they all say they don’t have any first hand knowledge of any quid pro quo.
Schitt is an absolute incredible liar and a weasel to boot. Just the type to excel in the Democrat party.
@kitt, #78:
It isn’t worth $2.5 billion. That’s the size of the investment pool the company hoped to manage. It wouldn’t belong to the company any more than your 401K balance belongs to the investment company, or your savings account balance belongs to the bank.
If Biden invested $420,000 of his own into the company, he was betting his personal wealth on the company’s success for its investors. Essentially, he’s sharing their risk. That’s part of how capitalism works.
@Greg: Point taken but How does Big Joe live so large? Did he write a book and have a huge bribe laundered through a publisher?
@kitt, #82:
People actually buy his books and pay him for appearances. He routinely makes $100K for a speaking appearance. (Don’t look at me… I mostly read fiction and have only paid for concert tickets.) His tax returns show he and his wife have made over $15 million since he left office, and paid $5.2 million in federal taxes.
65 million seriously there are not that many outhouses left.