Trump’s Mexico speech a win on style

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John Sexton:

Today, Trump took a risk and won. He traveled to Mexico and gave a joint press conference with President Enrique Peña Nieto in which both parties appeared respectful of each other despite some obvious differences.

“Mr. Trump and I had an open and constructive discussion,” President Peña Nieto said. He added, “The purpose of our meeting was to get to know each other and to exchange ideas and visions about bilateral relations of our countries.” For his part, Trump described his visit to Mexico as “a great honor.”

One of the obvious areas of disagreement is how to handle the border. President Peña Nieto said the number of illegal immigrants crossing into the United States had peaked 10 years ago and declined ever since but he acknowledged, “the increasing number of non-Mexicans who cross through our country in order to reach the United States, therein creating serious human crises.”

Peña Nieto said immigration was just one part of the bigger picture at the border, one which did not take into account, “the illegal influx of weapons and money.” “Every year, thousands of weapons and millions of come into Mexico illegally from the north, strengthening drug cartels and other criminal organizations that generate violence in Mexico,” he added.

There was an implied rebuke of some comments Trump made during the primaries. Peña Nieto said, “Mexicans in the United States are honest and hardworking people. They’re persons that are decent, that respect family life and community and that respect the law. As such, Mexicans deserve everyone’s respect.”

Trump then spoke and expressed his love for the United States and his respect for the Mexican people. “The United States’ first, second and third generation Mexicans just beyond reproach, spectacular, spectacular, hard working people,” Trump said. He added, “I have such great respect for them and their strong values of family, faith and community.”

Trump then offered a series of five goals, the first of which was ending illegal immigration. However he framed this goal in humanitarian terms as well as economic ones. “This is a humanitarian disaster,” Trump said. “The dangerous treks, the abuse by gangs and cartels and the extreme physical dangers—and it must be solved.”

Point two on Trump’s list was to recognize, “the right of either country to build a physical barrier, or wall, on any of its borders to stop the illegal movement of people, drugs and weapons.”

Point three was to stop the flow of drugs across the border and to take down the drug cartels. Point four was to improve and update NAFTA and to keep “industry in our hemisphere.” Finally, point five was to “keep manufacturing wealth in our hemisphere.”

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Yes a win on style because he was able to read and stick to his TelePrompTer. If this had been Obama we would have making fun of him because of the Telepromter. No love for Obama but the low expectations for Trump are amazing.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/01/the-most-unhinged-liberal-reactions-to-trumps-immigration-speech/

Liberals go nuts when Trump shows them exactly what a leader looks like. Just like the criticism of his visit to Louisiana when Hillary and Obama couldn’t be bothered, the left criticizes proper behavior because they don’t really know what it is supposed to look like.

@Bill: Did anyone notice that in Mexico and in Arizona he never mentioned the Prez. by name? ” Loves” the guy but doesn’t even know his name. Shmoozes him then makes a teleprompter speech filled with hate.

The base loved it. His two top Hispanic advisors quit the campaign in protest. Nothing has changed, Trump gets 5% of African American vote and approx. 18% of Hispanic vote—White males love his rant 75%
It comes down to white females–he needs 60% recently polled at 51%–doubtful he can pull it off but it could be close—E.C FAVORS HRC

@Richard Wheeler: Did you notice that Trump was the only one of Trump, Hillary and Obama that showed up to help in Louisiana? Did anyone notice that of Hillary and Trump, Trump was the only person to accept the invitation to go to Mexico? Did anyone notice that Hillary is dropping like a corrupt rock in the polls?

@Richard Wheeler: A member of Donald Trump‘s National Hispanic Advisory Council resigned following Trump’s Wednesday night speech …….Two other Hispanic Trump advisors also told Politico they were considering pulling out the campaign……Leslie Sanchez reported that a Hispanic Trump advisor had tipped her off that half of Trump’s Hispanic advisory board [15 out of 30] was expected to resign.

“A” means ONE.
”Two others,” means two but they haven’t left, as on today.
15 out of 30 according to an anonymous source, also hasn’t happened yet.

And, you want to know what?
IF these advisers actually expected to get amnesty instead of endorse what Donald Trump had been saying all along, so be it.

This is what Trump has been saying from the start and it is his 10 point plan:

1. Building a wall along the border between the United States and Mexico. Trump emphasized that this would be a physical wall, albeit bolstered by technology.

2. Ending “catch and release,” a term often broadly used to refer to practices under which not everyone apprehended by immigration agents is necessarily deported.

3. Immediate deportation of undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes. Trump has promised to begin these deportations on his first day in office. Going forward, undocumented immigrants arrested for committing a crime would be placed into immediate deportation proceedings.

4. Blocking funding for “sanctuary cities,” places that limit, to differing extents and through different methods, how much they help immigration officials in the apprehension and deportation of undocumented immigrants.

5. Cancellation of executive orders and enforcement of immigration laws. This point would particularly hit two of President Barack Obama’s executive actions, known by their abbreviations: DACA and DAPA. The actions gave a certain legal status to certain undocumented immigrants, such as those brought to the United States as children or those who now have American children.

6. Suspending visas to immigrants from parts of the world where screening procedures are deemed inadequate. Trump singled out Syria and Libya as two countries from which immigration would be suspended.

7. Ensuring that other countries take back their citizens when the United States moves to deport those immigrants. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that these people cannot be detained indefinitely, but without a country to which to return they often are simply released from detention. Trump said he would force the immigrants’ home countries to take them back.

8. Completing a biometric entry-exit visa tracking system. Many undocumented immigrants enter the country legally, and then overstay their visas. In those cases, this kind of system would be more effective than a border wall. While such a system has been discussed for years, the logistics remain a major challenge. Putting in such a system would likely require major overhauls of U.S. points of entry, such as airports and ports.

9. Making it harder for undocumented immigrants to get jobs and benefits. Trump specifically cited the E-verify system as part of this. That system allows employers to check whether their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States. Trump also mentioned ending access to benefit programs such as public housing or food stamps.

10. Serving the best interests of American workers. Trump’s final point serves as something of a catch-all for his immigration proposal. But he also mentioned a few specific goals here, such as limiting immigration. He also talked about being more selective about who gets to enter the country, for example limiting immigration to people who can be financially self-sufficient.

So, whoever is opposed to all this has been opposed to Trump since the start.

And, OF COURSE, Trump lied about talking with Nieto about Mexico PAYING for the wall. His “I-love-these-people”/ “I-hate-these-people” schizophrenia is getting old, don’t ya think? Why does he believe that Americans can’t see and hear what he’s saying differently from one day to the next? Is he REALLY this stupid, or is all this just some elaborate joke to him? (I can’t tell…)

@George Wells:

And, OF COURSE, Trump lied about talking with Nieto about Mexico PAYING for the wall.

And, OF COURSE, you know this… how? By convincing yourself to satisfy your bigotry?

When has Trump said he hated “these people”? Please provide substantiation.

What I wonder is when someone will wonder, exactly what kind of person is against controlling illegal immigration and perpetrating the ongoing flood of illegals into our country? What, exactly, is the point?

Why would Hispanics opposed securing out border? Could it be that they are looking to swell their numbers to the point that they can control the political stage in the United States? Do Democrats support illegal immigration because they hope to convert illegal immigrants into more dependent, loyal Democrat voters, as they have done with the blacks they condemned to permanent poverty? Or do they wish to dissolve the United States into nothing more than the northern-most territory of South America?

If it is actual compassion that drives the aversion to upholding our immigration laws, this could be expressed in aid to nations to reform their economies and create societies which benefit more of the population… in their own countries. I doubt this is the motivation, though.

No matter how you look at it, there is no valid reason to support illegal immigration, wide open borders and ignoring immigration laws. None. Only selfish, self interest drives this and this generates the kind of dishonest, vindictive attacks on anyone that sees the cost, danger and harm of continuing to allow unfettered illegal immigration into our country.

@Bill #7:

There’s NOTHING wrong with controlling our borders, Bill. What is WRONG is what Trump has actually SAID about what we should do – SPECIFICALLY – and how it should be paid for. You, I, and EVERYONE else UNDERSTANDS that Mexico will never PAY for Trump’s Wonderful Wall, yet Mr. Bombastic continues to SHOUT about how HE’S going to MAKE them pay for it. That sort of blusterous lie is simply insulting, insulting to Mexico, insulting to Mexican Americans, and insulting to rational Americans who understand it for what it is: inflammatory rhetoric with no purpose other than to rile up a political base the same way Hitler riled up HIS supporters with anti-Jewish hate-speech. “Mexico is sending us their criminals, their rapists,” same thing. This doesn’t rise to any standard of political discourse. It is nothing but intentional race-baiting, and Trump is using it to INSURE that he DOESN’T get elected, because he NEVER wanted the job in the first place.

You are right, there is no valid reason to support illegal immigration. But this isn’t about illegal immigration. It is about WHAT Trump is saying, and why he is saying it. If YOU are happy with what came out of Trump’s much-heralded “immigration speech,” well, more power to you, and it’s nice that you got what you were looking for. But the country didn’t get the same thing, and Trump did Republicans no favor by mixing up his messages on the issue to the point that NOBODY knows what he really means, which is all well and fine so long as Republicans DON’T want the White House in November. Democrats love Trump in a perverse sort of way, because he’s the gift that keeps on giving.

“dissolve the United States into nothing more than the northern-most territory of South America”

FYI: South America isn’t a political entity, and thus has no “territories,” “colonies” or “dependencies.”

And just to refresh your obviously defective memory, I already gave you a perfectly rational solution to illegal immigration:

First, you agree with your right-wing-Texas-wacko Retire05 that illegal immigrants pose an immediate and financially catastrophic threat to our national security… and that includes CHILDREN.
Then, you declare that this extraordinary threat justifies the capital punishment of illegal immigrants.
Then, you deputize by decree every gun-toting CITIZEN, and instruct them to summarily execute any of these enemy combatants such as they locate on our soil.
Once the news of this change-of-weather gets out, 11 million illegals will self-deport in a heartbeat.
Then, when the industries that depend on the labor of those inexpensive workers (not rapists, not criminals) COLLAPSE, there will FINALLY be enough political pressure brought to bear on Congress that it will FINALLY come up with an appropriate way that WORKERS can be LEGALLY brought in to do the work that needs to be done that Americans WON’T do.
How many illegals will need to die?
Maybe two or three.
Far less that the number that die trying to reach economic sanctuary the hard way.
A humane solution.
And since we write out own laws, perfectly legal as well.

So stop with your crap about supporting illegal immigration.
YOU are the one who supports it, by NOT supporting any REAL solution to the problem, by instead supporting a candidate who DOESN’T now want to “deport” anyone “except criminals,” and who would have us all BELIEVE that he went to Mexico to talk with THE PRESIDENT OF MEXICO, and that in said talk, the key topic of his immigration policy – that Trump would MAKE Mexico pay for a wall – never even came up.
LOLOLOL!
What a rash!

@George Wells: I think Mexico WILL pay for the wall, one way or another. Either through aid we send them, fees on the billions sent home by illegal immigrants or savings from taxpayer money used to support illegal immigrants.

Beyond that, how can I intelligently argue Trump’s positions if you are going to repeat the lies about what he has said? The fact that MANY of the illegals that come here are criminals is backed by FBI data; why try to lie about it?

End of discussion.

@Bill #9:

I wasn’t THERE, Bill, and neither were you.
I didn’t SAY what EITHER party SAID, I simply pointed out how impossibly incredible it is to imagine that Trump would go to Mexico, and meet with Mexico’s president, and the singular most insulting part of Trump’s immigration “policy” would NOT come up in the course of that conversation. Trump’s ASSERTION that it did not stretches the imagination beyond the breaking point, while President Nieto’s ASSERTION that he DID bring up the topic rings true, especially considering that he had ALREADY publically stated, EMPHATICALLY, that Mexico would NOT pay for Trump’s silly wall.
I have repeated no lie. I DID point out that Trump’s speech in Mexico sounded like it came from someone other than the one who gave his so-called “immigration speech,” while “immigration” was the essential topic of both speeches.
Trump said he was going to deport 11 million illegals, and now he says he’s only going to deport the criminals, which, by the way, is exactly what the Obama administration has been doing all along. So how is Trump’s NEW immigration policy different from Obama’s? As far as 11 million illegals from Mexico are concerned, I can’t see that it is.

Your belief that Mexico CAN be forced to pay for the wall is based on what calculations? Trump admits that his wall (the part of it he says NEEDS to be built) will cost at least 10-12 billion dollars, while out total foreign aid to Mexico is only around 5% of that estimate, and Trump’s estimate, like ALL such estimates is likely to be optimistically low, while what we GIVE to Mexico is a known-certain figure. And much of what we “give” to Mexico ends up paying for things that we will NOT stop paying for, so getting that wall paid for out of the foreign aid purse gets further and further away.
And any attempt to place fees on money sent to Mexico is about as hopeless as getting drug smugglers to voluntarily pay a percentage of their haul to the federal government out of the goodness of their hearts. If you place a fee on Western Union transfers, for example, Mexicans will simply use some OTHER means of conveyance. Money isn’t difficult to move around – certainly it’s MUCH easier to move than human beings, yet 11 million MEXICANS have slipped INTO this country in spite of our efforts to stop them – so if you think we can stop MONEY from getting into Mexico, well, don’t hold your breath. And I’m not sure what taxpayer money supporting illegal aliens you’re talking about, but I suspect that whatever you ARE talking about is something that our laws at the local, state AND federal levels would have to be changed to prevent, and considering that Republicans ALREADY control the majority of state legislatures AND governorships, I’d have to ask you why this hasn’t ALREADY been done?

No, if Trump’s silly wall gets built, the US taxpayers will pay for it, like they pay for Israel’s walls, and South Korea’s walls, and so on. We’re just too F’n generous.

@George Wells:

I didn’t SAY what EITHER party SAID

Oh?

And, OF COURSE, Trump lied about talking with Nieto about Mexico PAYING for the wall.

Gee, I don’t know. That sounds pretty definitive, as if you were certain what was said.

Of course, Nieto, who was taking a lot of political criticism for meeting with Trump, wouldn’t lie about discussing and rejecting paying of the wall. Nooooooooo……

I fully understand your bigotry and bias against Trump and anything to do with him. Corruption, incompetence which gets a consulate sacked and 4 Americans killed, the lies about the incompetence, incompetence in handling national security…. you can accept all of that. Obama bowing and kow-towing to Muslim leaders that persecute Christians and gays, then talking about how he respects the rights of everyone over here… you have no problem with that.

But Trump declaring he is going to uphold and enforce immigration laws and FINALLY secure the border which Democrats have promised to do for decades is somehow racist or insincere or just wrong. That is the direct result of bigoted bias and liberal willful ignorance.

You discount Trump getting someone else to pay for the wall because all you know is failures at foreign policy. You grovel over Obama, Hillary and Kerry and all they have done is give away the farm at every turn. The Iran deal is but one example, but Obama’s dealing with Russia, China, Egypt and Iraq are all proof that Obama has no ability to negotiate a deal beneficial to the United States. You think failure is normal. Well, it is for liberals that don’t respect our country.

@Bill #11:

I still don’t see what your beef with Obama and illegal immigration is. Obama has CONSISTANTLY deported more illegal immigrants that George Bush EVER did. There are LESS illegals here now than were here during the Bush administration. Were you making all this fuss when YOUR GW held the White House? Or are you simply applying your usual double standard?

“But Trump declaring he is going to uphold and enforce immigration laws and FINALLY secure the border which Democrats have promised to do for decades…”

And yet again your double standard. Were you so vehemently opposed to Bush during HIS eight years in office? Did HE build a wall? Did HE uphold and enforce immigration laws? Evidently less than Obama has, by the numbers. And in spite of Bush’s FAILURE (compared to Obama’s record) you worship him and chastise Obama? Odd…

There has NEVER been a president OR a congress that has really had the stomach to deport our cheap labor pool for OBVIOUS reasons, and now Trump is promising exactly the same thing – no more stomach. Those “Laws” on illegal immigration were enacted for political reasons, not for reasons in the best interest of the country at large. Obama deports illegal CRIMINALS in higher numbers than any other president EVER did, and now Trump promises to do exactly the same thing and nothing more. So explain what difference there is between Obama and Trump on immigration, OTHER than Trump’s silly wall and his promise to make Mexico PAY for it, which any SANE person understands will never happen for the precise reasons that I listed in #10. Those points are not “failures in foreign policy.” They are real numbers and real facts that demonstrate how and why it WON’T happen.
And the United States’ lack of international leverage in this, or in the Syria/Putin/Iran situation, has nothing to do with our foreign policy either. It is simply a consequence or our sanity – that we are unwilling to nuclear-bomb our adversaries every time one of them acts against our wishes – and the reality of the international theater, in which we are NOT the largest population, NOT the fastest-growing economy, NOT the most desperate regime, and NOT the owner of IRAN’s money that we held confiscated in an effort to extort Iran’s reluctant cooperation in the Middle-East. It didn’t work, and STILL it wasn’t our money, so we FINALLY gave it back. And if there WAS a quid-pro-quo regarding hostage release, all the better, as it means that we gained something, FINALLY, by wrongly holding someone else’s money.
Our willingness to freeze Iran’s assets is one of the contribution factors in the decline of America’s dominance in the world financial market, by the way. Can you imagine how Switzerland’s banking reputation would tank if Swiss Banks suddenly started to lock accounts when their customers engaged in politically incorrect rhetoric or activity?

But I respect your simple-minded perspective. You haven’t the capacity to actually see anything as other than black-and-white. I’m sure it helps you sleep soundly at night, secure in your binary dimension as you are. The problem is never “you,” and never even “us,” but always “them,” and from there, hate comes so easily and feels so good.

@George Wells: No he hasn’t. He has manipulated data, counting those turned away at the border, as “deported”. There’s a reason he has to lie and manipulate like that.

Why won’t he acknowledge the problem? Why won’t he address sanctuary cities and the crimes committed guy illegal immigrants? Why won’t he admit to the failure of his “catch and release” policies?

THAT’S my beef with Obama; he encourages and enables illegal immigration and lies about it. Of course, he lies about anything and everything.

@Bill #13:

Oh, so THAT’S why you aren’t voting for Obama in November!
Glad you cleared that up…

Now all that remains for you to explain is why you still support Trump, who gained the Republican nomination largely on the promise to deport 11 million Mexican workers who are in the United States illegally, now that he has “evolved” on that promise to the point of offering to do exactly what Democrats have been promising to do all along. Once offered 11 million deportations, how happy do you think The Donald’s “base” is going to be with the deportation of just “criminals?” And if you can’t trust him on THAT promise, which of his OTHER promises CAN you trust?