On June 12, a Muslim terrorist attacked a gay night club called Pulse in Orlando, Florida, killing 49 and wounding 53 in a three-hour ordeal that was the nation’s most drawn-out mass killing, and the deadliest domestic terror attack since 9/11.
This past Sunday, exactly two weeks to the day after the Pulse attack, there was a mass shooting outside a night club in South Carolina. I’m sure you haven’t heard about it, and for two good reasons. The first reason is that the attempted murderer was unsuccessful in killing any of his victims. The second reason is because the attempted murderer was stopped by a concealed carrier at the club drawing his weapon and putting a bullet into the bad guy.
Shots rang out at the Playoffz nightclub at 105 B Little Mountain Road before 3:30 a.m. Sunday, according to an incident report from the Spartanburg County Sheriff’s Office.
Deputies believe Thompson got into an argument with another man and began firing into a crowd of people outside the club, Lt. Kevin Bobo, a Spartanburg County Sheriff’s Office spokesman, said in an email.
Three people were shot. Another man who was shot at returned fire with his own handgun and struck Thompson in the leg, he said.
He acted in self-defense and has a concealed weapons permit, so he’s not being charged, Bobo said.
Thompson is facing four counts of attempted murder, and one of the people he shot—a mother of three—is still in the hospital as doctors attempt to try to figure out how or even if they can safely extract the bullet lodged in her pelvic area.
It probably won’t surprise anyone that Thompson has a criminal record dating back to 2003, and that he’s a felon who has used a gun illegally before.
So many “experts” have opined that armed citizens cannot carry in a bar or night club responsibly, arguing that “guns and alcohol don’t mix.”
You know what? I agree, as that applies as a general rule, even though there are no reports of “wild west” shootouts in states where having a drink while armed is perfectly legal as long as you don’t get drunk.
But just as we have promoted the idea of having a responsible designated driver for groups of friends who go to bars and clubs to imbibe, we should also encourage responsible concealed carry, either from another non-drinking member of the group, or from that same designated driver.
There were an estimated 320 people inside Pulse when the Islamic terrorist launched his attack. Florida has a population estimated at just over 20 million in 2016, with more than 1.4 million concealed carriers, or roughly 1 concealed carry permit holders per 20 people. In other words, there were possibly as many as 16 people with concealed carry permits inside Pulse when the Muslim terrorist launched his attack, but they were all disarmed by Florida law, just because they wanted to have a good time.
Dont expect the media vultures to be circling overhead like it was in Sandy Hook and Orlando becuase no one was killed no blood stories for them to tell to the public and the mass shooting was stopped by a armed citizen dont wait for aany big headlines in the New York Slimes.Washington Compost, and ATLANTA URINAL/CONSIPATION and no story for SLIME magazine to carry
It was a gunfight outside a nightclub, not a thwarted terrorist attack or planned mass shooting. Maybe that’s why there was no national story concerning a citizen with a lawfully carried handgun stopping a mass shooting—because such a tale would be a total fabrication.
@Greg: Right, my 98 year old grand mother in a nursing home might believe that!
@Greg: Hey look! Waffles!
You’re an idiot…er…I mean, paid lobbyist.
Either way, it’s not working.
@Randy: Believe what?
Sounds like a bunch of alcohol fueled idiots .Nothing good happens at 3:30 AM outside a bar.
I am a CCW holder (and beer lover) and am opposed to the idea of people carrying in a bar when they are drinking. People drinking alcohol and firearms don’t mix, especially considering how it affects people in different ways. Alcohol has a tendency to make supermen out of some people and it can cause tempers to flair for stupid reasons. Not only that, someone who has been drinking may go from being a good shot to a wild one if they are impaired. Not good in crowded spaces.
@another vet: #6
How about the bouncers, bartenders, servers and designated drivers present in the bar? None of them drink. The chance of losing their permits and going to jail if they did would be a great incentive not to.
Pretty little squirrel you’ve got there, Greg.
Nobody called it a terrorist attack, and yes, it started out as an attempted mass shooting. It only became a gunfight when one of the would-be victims returned fire. Which ended it.
That’s the point of the story, Greg. That’s also the point of being an armed citizen.
@Petercat: That’s not a problem. The radical Islamic terrorist who shot up Orlando would have probably killed even more if it wasn’t for the off duty cop in there who returned fire. Naturally, that part of the story received little attention by the gun grabbing MSM or the pols they cater to.
@Greg: I’m pretty sure terrorism or planning was never mentioned. However, multiple people were shot and the criminal still had ammunition left.
Why did the media not cover it?
@another vet: My brother in law (now deceased) would never allow drinking while hunting on his place… and he was an alcoholic. The mane problem with the gun control issue is that the left never gives gun owners the credit for being responsible; they transpose the irresponsibility of criminals (who are NEVER affected by their “common sense gun laws”) upon the law abiding gun owner.
@Bill: Your brother in law–now deceased–“a responsible alcoholic.”
Humor for today?
It’s all about controlling people. Gun control is just part of it. Heavily progressive taxes, the “Fairness Doctrine”, manmade global warming, political correctness, government control of health care, government control of the economy, centralized control of education, etc. It all boils down to control of the people to force them to get in line with left wing ideology. If the left doesn’t like it, it needs to be heavily taxed, regulated, or banned. Succumb to their way of thinking or else. Kind of sounds like we are gradually sliding down the path other countries in history took, doesn’t it? One we fought a hot war with and the other we fought a cold war with.
@another vet: Controlling people? IMO That would be The Evangelicals.
Do we want the mentally ill having weapons? criminals? responsible alcoholics?
Re the purchase of semi automatic firearms. Do you consider the current laws too lax-too restrictive-just about right?
Don’t believe off duty cop at Pulse saved anyone—Think negotiating team took too long to act
Yes, they can be controlling too. I slam the door in their faces when they try to preach to me. But since you bring up religion, I notice you left out Muslims. Very PC of you. Does that mean they aren’t controlling? I didn’t know Hitler, Stalin, and Lenin were Evangelicals. I thought they didn’t preach any type of religion but were all influenced by the likes of Marx kind of like some others in this country. When the Evangelicals, or any other group for that matter, run our government and run roughshed over the Constitution the way the left has, I will oppose them just as vigorously.
@another vet: No doubt Muslims worse than Evangelicals but they are not the base of a major American Political Party–yet lol
Is retaking Fallujah significant? Do you think many on Right actively root against Iraqui/BHO efforts against ISIS–not very patriotic of them.
“responsible alcoholics” see #10
Have a great 4th weekend Thank you for your service
@Richard Wheeler: Your thought process if there is one is extremely warped. You profess to have been a Marine. Did they have to perform a lobotomy before you could become a flaming liberal?
Have you checked out who makes up the base of the other major American political party? People who embrace Marxist ideals. That’s the philosophy that has formed the basis of governments responsible for enslaving hundreds of millions of people and murdering tens of millions more. Their quest for their little utopia has failed every where it has been tried.
Hopefully, but it depends. If the gains stop there, not really. If it is built upon, yes. Until ISIS is defeated, we are just re-gaining territory that we already had, defeating an enemy that was allowed to morph into something it shouldn’t have. Like Patton said, he didn’t like fighting for the same territory twice, which is exactly what we are doing thanks to putting legacy and politics first. Given that the Secretary of State came out and made another ignorant comment about how the terror attack in Instanbul is proof of ISIS losing, I guess the best indicator of them being defeated would be a mushroom cloud over NYC.
Provide some specific examples. For instance, the dems actively supported Code Pink and Moveon.org, two organizations that did their best to undermine the war effort under Bush. Has anyone on the right called a U.S. general commanding the troops, “General Betrayus”? Have there been any anti-war protests by the right? Has anyone on the right called Obama a “war criminal” and demand he stand trial for “war crimes”? Has anyone on the right called ISIS “freedom fighters”? No one can get any lower than the left when it comes to not supporting a war effort. Remember their behavior during the war you put your ass on the line for? They pulled the same crap with Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush as well. They seem to have chilled out under Obama. I guess we’ll have to wait for the next Republican to get in there before it starts to “bother” them again.
Thank you for your service and have a good 4th. Hopefully the yahoos in my neighborhood don’t get too crazy with their fireworks and homemade bombs and drive my two mutts crazy..
@another vet: Sorry Vet I can not be nice to such ignorance. The lefties think everyone thinks and acts as they would under the same circumstances.
@another vet: I’ve got 3 dogs They hate the 4th as well as all sirens.
Our country is badly split—“leaders” like DT and HRC CAN’T CHANGE THAT.
We must find a way to unite—The moderates among us must bring others to common ground through our own actions. The far right and far left should never gain control.
@Randy: Col I fought with a great Marine war hero Jim Webb–like me he does not support Trump or Clinton.
It’s a shame he did not run as an indie—He understands the dangers of extremism from the right and the left.
Your insults—I find them foolish and unbecoming an Army Officer
@Richard Wheeler: The fact that you would believe that any of us would act like Code Pink against the best interests of our country is unbecoming of a US citizen. Some of us fought with those Iraqis who pushed ISIS out. Most everything you think is foolish Rich. My comments addressed your loyalty oath as a Marine. You must have forgot it was a life time oath when you had your surgery or you are violating your oath.
How about carrying in a bar if they’re not drinking. While all of that is good ‘in theory’ people such as the nut that pulled out his weapon and started firing into a crowd was likely not concerned with what the law is/was. I think his intent was for the bullets to hit someone. I think the intent of the CCW carrier was to shoot the person that was shooting into the crowd. Which situation do you ‘really’ prefer? The shooter shooting into a crowd and wounding 3 or the other person, who shot only the shooter? One of those is the ‘preferred’ situation.
@Richard Wheeler: I’ve never heard you mention before that you were in the same unit with Webb. Has he changed since then? Would he wear a uniform again?
@another vet –
I don’t know if an off-duty cop engaged the shooter inside the Pulse nightclub, but the 3-4 off-duty ones working security outside the club did exchange fire with him outside the club before he went inside.
I do have concerns about someone with a CCW engaging a shooter firing at a high rate in a crowded, confined space. Again, in SOF, we are constantly trained in being very judicious in firing while in close quarters – a clean, single-round kill shot. The Pulse nightclub had something like 300 patrons inside. The Bataclan concert hall in Paris had 1000+. In San Bernardino, there were 75+ at the Christmas party. It is not about being overly cautious or non-responsive, but it is about making sure only the bad guy(s) is/are down.
@Rich Wheeler –
Is the re-taking Fallujah significant? It is only significant for Iraq and for their security forces. For the rest of us, not really. ISIS is largely operating at will in Europe and the UK, and looking for an opening for a mass casualty attack here on the level of Sept 11, or greater.
I do wish the both of you a Happy 4th.
No, because he doesn’t have any efforts against ISIS. He’s never even said that word. I doubt he knows what/who they are.
Reasonable people would say that if Trump wins, it will not be a win for the far right. Most Reasonable people would say that if Crooked Hillary wins, it will be a win for the far left.
What about the lib Senator from N C that shot intruders in his home? This is a politician that has voted against citizens owning guns every time he has voted on the issue. For some reason, he thinks it is OK for him to own a weapon but not for anyone else. I’ll think the president is serious when his bodyguards quit carrying weapons.
Sometimes I seriously question the conservatives commitment to the bill of rights when reading these comments.
I think you all have been watching too many hollywood westerns, and cop shows.
Concealed carriers are most often the most lawful citizens.
@Redteam: I said I was opposed to someone carrying in a bar if they are drinking. The CCW holder in this case wasn’t. He was able to hit the target. I would not want someone who has been drinking to start shooting in a bar, especially a crowded one. The odds of hitting anyone BUT the target are increased. Now you have two people firing with no fire discipline. Also, I’m sure you’ve been around people who after a few drinks get a little belligerent. Do you want them picking a fight or a gunfight?
That was based on one of the initial reports I read about an off duty cop working security engaging the terrorist. It could have been bad info at the time.
And that concern is based on someone who has not been drinking. Imagine if they have been drinking which is my original point. That reduces the odds of that one clean hit.
Another concern is that while ISIS has been making gains, so has AQ. Right now ISIS is getting all the attention and is the talk of the town. As you pointed out on the other thread, it is now trying to outdo their last attack. As such, AQ may try something very grand to take center stage again in order to upstage ISIS and become the big kahuna of the terrorist world again.
@Randy: Never suggested YOU weren’t onboard with efforts to defeat ISIS. Referring to clowns like Hannity.
@Richard Wheeler: Maybe you should read your post again!
The countless times a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy is of no interest to liberals it doesn’t play to their gun grabbing instincts.
Authorities have determined that Mateen, 29, walked to the club at 2:02 a.m. armed with a semi-automatic long rifle and a Glock handgun.
An off-duty police officer working security at the club was outside investigating an underage drinker when he heard gunshots inside the club. The off-duty officer then proceeded to run inside the club and exchange gunfire with Mateen, with three additional officers soon arriving to back up the off-duty cop, law enforcement sources told WFAA-ABC 8. As the officers fired at Mateen, he retreated into a bathroom toward the rear of the club with a number of hostages.
“Those additional officers made entry while the suspect was shooting,” Mina said. “They forced him to stop shooting and retreat to the bathroom where we believe he had several hostages.”
While in the bathroom Mateen called 911 three times, pledging his allegiance to the Islamic State during one of the calls, although currently he has no known affiliation with any specific terrorist group. Mateen has been linked with American suicide bomber Moner Abu-Salha — who drove 16 tons of explosives into a Syrian government facility on behalf of Al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front in late May of that year. The men had also attended the same Eastern Florida mosque.
But he was not a terrorist, that cased the club for months, he was a closet self hating gay..right?
@Richard Wheeler: How did my question to AV in #10 involve you specifically. Was questioning the “loyalties” of some right wing pols and pundits. Most of whom never served. Do you doubt that there are those rooting for BHO to fail? Same motivations as those on left who rooted for “W” to fail.
A pox on both their houses Wouldn’t you agree?
Sounds like a conservative, most likely a Christian, who also happened to be member of the NRA.
@another vet: Ahh yes, not just any Christian but a thumping Preacher, stinking right wing republican voting tea bagging militia member.
@Richard Wheeler: No one needs to hope Obama fails. He is doing a great job of that with out help. No, I do not believe any conservative would want him to fail in his efforts to rid us of terrorists. The issue here is he will not follow the advice given to him by his advisors. You do know that the oath you took to become a Marine is a life oath? You do realize that when you support criminal behavior in another that can damage our country you are violating that oath? When that happen, you become a John Kerry. You should also beware of coining a Marine in a bar and indicating your support for someone who is or can damage our country. They would take back your right to claim yourself a Marine.
@kitt: You left out: racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, and the current number one hit- Xenophobic.
@Randy: Talk to Marine Captain Jim Webb.
IMO There isn’t any politician out there that could damage our country more than draft dodging flim flam man Donald Trump–As a New Yorker I’ve been watching his “act” for over 30 years.
Word recognizes he’s a phony Curt’s “Hell No’— the same–why are you so gullible Col?
BTW No one can take away my right to claim myself An Officer Of Marines.
@Richard Wheeler: violate the oath and see how you are treated! Real Marines take the oath seriously.
Why do you persist in using that lie? Do you think the truth is not good enough? You certainly know, by now, that Trump was refused for military service due to medical reasons. You have never had any problems being a supporter of a certified felony draft dodger in Slick Willie. You seem to prefer the saying, why use the truth when a lie serves me better.
He has been quite a spectacular failure all by himself. He’s needed no help in failing.
@another vet: That is completely understood, if they are different the embody evil ya know.
I give a sh!t this is WW3 it began in 2010, I will not be disarmed by paranoid, suicidal, far left, loonie toon, anti-American, tyrants.