The health “experts” and the media propagating viral panic porn think people like us don’t understand arithmetic. They think they can manipulate headline stories warning of increased cases of COVID-19 in order to push more lockdowns, ignoring all the ways that more cases are being discovered, while the percentage of positive tests, new hospitalizations and deaths, and the lethality of the virus are all waning significantly.
“Arizona’s COVID-19 spread is ‘alarming’ and action is needed, experts warn,” read the title of an Arizona Republic article on Wednesday. Yahoo News breathlessly warned about a “spike” in all the southwestern states.
As is always the case, there is a grain of truth that is hugely distorted by numerous obfuscations of important facts and context. The truth is that new hospitalizations of people coming in for serious coronavirus infections are actually extremely low. What they are actually counting are the extra people coming in for all of the delayed health care caused by the lockdown. But thanks to universal testing in hospitals, they are discovering more asymptomatic cases than ever before, which had nothing to do with the original purpose of the hospital stay. Thus, they are blaming the fallout of the lockdown on the easing of the lockdown!
This chart from Arizona’s coronavirus dashboard says it all.
Check out what happens in Arizona when you do a 7d rolling aver of hospitalization to case rate (using a 7-day lag), in Red, overlaid with 7d ave pct of cases to tests, Blue. Hospitalizations cut off June 6 (correspond to May 31). See how the rate goes way down with new tests. pic.twitter.com/DHSjKc8CcY
— Kyle Lamb (@kylamb8) June 10, 2020
As you can see, if you break down the new admissions by date of admission, as this chart does, the numbers are actually near zero over the past week. There was only one new admission on Wednesday, the last day of reporting. What the media is focusing on is the cumulative total of beds in use, reflected in this chart.
The total number of “positive” COVID-19 patients currently using beds in the hospital system is high. Now you might wonder how cumulative numbers could be so high if the new daily intake is so low? It’s quite obvious that the first chart is only counting those who actually come in with new serious cases of COVID-19, for example those who have trouble breathing because the virus attacked their lungs. Those cases are extremely low relative to April.The cumulative number chart, on the other hand, counts any “positive or suspected inpatient COVID-19 patients.” Now that the number of people coming into hospitals in general, for any reason, is much higher than during the peak of the epidemic and also testing has become standard, they are likely counting anyone who tests positive as a COVID-19 patient in that chart, even if they came in for chest pains or trauma. Which is why there is a note at the bottom of the chart observing that the numbers are very volatile. Obviously, if the same number of patients of all conditions had come in to hospitals six weeks ago and we had had the rapid testing capabilities, the number of positive cases would have been recorded as even higher than they are today.
This dichotomy is likely reflected in the following chart of COVID-positive patients admitted to the emergency rooms.
How can it be that the same government website showing literally no more than five new COVID-19 admissions a day this week also shows record emergency room COVID-positive patients? The answer is that the virus is much more widespread, asymptomatic, and less deadly than it was before. The ER patients are coming in, as the Arizona state health director, Dr. Cara Christ, said, because of the bottleneck of much-needed care and serious ailments that were ignored during the lockdown. All but the few who actually came to the ER because of COVID-19 symptoms likely never knew they had it. This is why we are not seeing a big spike of deaths in any of the states where the media is warning about an increase in detected cases.The very states that are seeing increases in hospitalizations are the ones that barely had patients – COVID-19 or otherwise – for six weeks because the virus didn’t hit hard but the panic and suspension of certain procedures caused the admissions to plummet (unlike in New York, for example, where there were enough COVID-19 patients to fill hospitals). Now that the lockdown is over, states like Texas, Arizona, California, and North Carolina have many more people coming in to hospitals than in April. Paradoxically, it makes sense that there will be more people testing positive now than even during the peak, especially because testing is universal and rapid.
It’s hard to measure a curve when we didn’t have the full data during its peak. Had we been testing every person in March and April, there likely would have been many more cases.
Hence, the dichotomy between those “hospitalized with COVID-19” and those hospitalized because of COVID-19 is very similar to the inflation of the death toll we’ve seen, where the number of those who die with COVID-19 but not because of it get conflated with those who die of the virus itself.
The same trend we see in Arizona is playing out in Texas and likely in other states that had both low COVID-19 numbers and very few general patients in hospitals during the peak of the epidemic.
Thus, the dichotomy between patients who are actually being driven to the hospital by the virus vs. those who are there for other purposes and just test positive is huge and did not exist during the peak.
It’s not that the virus doesn’t exist any more, it’s that it has either become less potent, has already attacked those who would otherwise get seriously ill from it, or a mixture of both. This is why Dr. Donald Yealy, the chair of emergency medicine at UPMC, who’s been responsible for 30,000 tests in Pennsylvania, recently observed that those with the virus appear to be carrying lower viral loads and aren’t getting as sick from it as they did in March and April.
Reopening the economy, recovery and lower harmful effects of COVID19 are all bad for Democrats. Just think about THAT.
June 12, 2020 – Larry Kudlow: Health Experts Say There Will Be “No 2nd Coronavirus Spike,” Not Going To Shut Down Economy Again
Which health experts, Larry? All of the experts I’ve heard seem to be increasingly worried that a second wave may already be beginning.
How could it be that the Johns Hopkins doctors tabulating national COVID-19 deaths by state, the doctors following the progress of the pandemic at the CDC, more and more governors and state public health officials AND virtually every doctor and public health expert that Donald Trump has HIRED to inform him AND the public are ALL in on some sort of right-wing conspiracy to whip the public into porn panic directed at Orange-Daddy?
Isn’t that a bit much to swallow?
Does anyone honestly believe that, back during the “Black Plague” that wiped out a quarter of the population of Europe over the course of a pretty impressive run that lasted DECADES, if MOST people had worn pretty little face masks and “socially distanced” themselves from others for a brief two months, the responsible virus would have simply “gone away” like Trump thought COVID-19 would, and they would all have lived happily ever after?
We need to wake up and smell the coffee. This is a PANDEMIC we are in the midst of, not a bout of the hiccups. No matter if Curt and his silly sheep keep alive their wishful thinking that this is all just an ugly joke. It isn’t, but as long as a significant fraction of the population thinks that’s all it is, the deaths will keep piling up at Trump’s political doorstep, and if you think that voters in November won’t by then see through this nonsensical notion that this virus is all a just a fake-news dream, well, KEEP DREAMING.
We will be rid of the most powerful perfect stable genius potty-mouthed stumble-bum we’ve ever had the misfortune to put into the White House for four years.
@George Wells: Keep dreaming Trump is letting States handle the pandemic with federal aid, blame your Governor or state health agency. For the small percentage of serious cases they shut down the entire health care system. Just a stupid way to handle a crises. If you have a drippy faucet you dont shut off the main waterline to the city. You are an adult make your own decisions. Keep everything sanitary avoid all germs ruin your immune system, its all up to you. If I see the store is crowded I wear a mask or if the store requires one. We are still getting shit information about the germ, asymptomatic people will only rarely infect anyone then the next day WHO walk that back. Wear a mask, a mask is only symbolic from faux xi. Im just going to live my life as normally as they allow. Ignore the silly fear porn but listen to information, under 2% positive here so I wont look at everyone as a covid carrier keep taking my vitamins.
@Greg: @George Wells: The tens and tens of thousands of tightly packed, screaming, spitting, looting, rioting virus incubators that the Democrats unleashed have made keeping the economy anything but wide open pointless. We will simply have to deal with the effects of this ongoing insurrection stupidity.
What the renewed calls from the left to shut the economy back down clearly shows is that they want the shut down for political reasons, wanting as much economic pain to be felt by citizens so they can exploit it.
@Deplorable Me:
The film footage I’ve been seeing of the protesters AND the looters is that a majority of them are wearing masks. Maybe it’s to prevent their identification, or maybe it’s to prevent their infection, but either way, their example is safer than the Trump crowds who stand behind the president with virtually no masks and no social distancing to be seen.
Look for yourself at the “red” crowds versus the “blue” crowds. The Dems take Fauci about 1000% more seriously than the GOP sheep who take Trump at his irrational word. In case you failed to connect the dots, that’s why the virus is spiking in so many more Republican states than in Democratic ones. (Check if you don’t believe me.) Not enough data to convince you YET? Well, just keep watching. Those RED states that will eventually HAVE to shut back down because their ERs and their ICUs are all full and they have to open tents out in the hospital parking lots won’t be shutting down because liberals WANT them to. They’ll be doing it because it’s the only thing left they CAN do.
And NO, Kitt, it isn’t a matter of shutting down my own immune system. I’m outside in the REAL world all day, every day, crawling around in my garden on bare wet knees, rubbing faces (without a mask) with my cat. It’s just that I wouldn’t CHOOSE to expose myself to the Ebola virus OR the Black Plague for the sake of fire-testing my immune response… And the same goes with this virus. With my having four of the most critical COVID-19 co-morbidity factors, carelessly exposing myself to it would be the height of stupidity. But you go right ahead and do what you want. Oh, yeah, that’s right. You DID say that you ARE taking precautions. Well, you see? You’re not so stupid after all!
@Greg:
The one’s that support the Democrat narrative, such as rallies bad, protests good.
Welcome back, greg. I see you have a new batch of topics to focus on, such as the coronavirus “second wave”.
Hope they give you air conditioning in your Beijing cubicle.
@George Wells:
Because his advice furthers unemployment and race riots, which is what Democrats want.
A strong economy and strong record of helping blacks (which Trump has), is the bane of their election hopes.
It’s almost like the coronavirus and false “BLM” movement were orchestrated just to hurt Trump, since he’s done in a few years what the Dems have promised, and failed, to do for blacks for the last 50 years.
No systemic racism. No systematic racism. Best and most free country on the planet. Fact.
But the masks: that’s a broad stroke your painting, red vs blue. We have just as many little proof points of Democrat not observing social distancing or protocols, so it’s just partisan rhetoric to say “red” states don’t give a fuck.
And the “spikes” are conveniently covered by Left-wing media as being only in red states (A lie), because they need to divert from the fact that the majority of deaths happened in Democrat States, also due to bad Democrat decisions.
But yeah, it’s spreading a little in the open states so let’s say it’s because Republicans are sheep.
The sheep are the pandering white idiots pretending racism is an issue in the US, and handing over more rights and protections to usurping Democrats….because Dems can’t win in November and they know it.
We are in a true civil war, at this point: Dems succeeding from the Union, using fake race narratives to dupe white people into being their foot soldiers….
….the only ones who will suffer from this are Blacks. The cost of the riots, in the name of some bad cops, was more black deaths.
@George Wells: If the left actually believes (or cares) that ignoring the self-quarantining will further spread the virus, they would not have promoted and supported the totally out of control masses of screaming morons, HALF of which wore no masks and certainly did not worry about social distancing. So, the jig is up; the Petri dish has been sneezed in.
@Deplorable Me:
Dear Child!
Surely it hasn’t escaped you that half of the thousands of “our-of-control, screaming Trump supporters at Trump rallies WON’T be wearing masks, because NONE of them will. Ditto social distancing. All because Orange-Daddy sets the worst possible example for his flock of sheep to mindlessly follow. Talk about sneezing in the petri dish!
Nathan Blue understands that this IS a civil war in the making. Sad, too, since there will be no winners if it comes to that.
P.S. Thanks again, SCOTUS, for another good decision. America once again protects Trump’s victims!
@George Wells: The civil war is that Leftists don’t apply the same standards to everyone. The Left are rather notorious for being “sheep”, as we see with the support of terrorist organizations like BLM and Antifa.
The coronavirus only is the threat when it’s advantageous to Leftists, and not when mobs of elite unemployed white people are out rioting and getting more black people killed.
So…if you hate Trump and all his voters are sheep…because they vote for him (won’t say that about Obamatons, will you?)…are you also concerned about the 1 million person BLM crowd tomorrow?
ANSWER THE QUESTION!! ARE THE BLACKS AND ELITE WHITES AT THE BLM RIOTS, FOLLOWING THE GAY/TRANS/RACE-BAITING DADDYS’ EXAMPLE, DUMB F*CKING MINDLESS SHEEP LIKE TRUMP’S SUPPORTERS?
You either have a consistent standard or you don’t. CNN was caught faking coronavirus infections of it’s high-profile staff. Dem Governors were caught getting privileges that they denied their people.
But Trump supporters are sheep?
The only sheep right now are black people, slaughtered in droves by the Leftists and their policies.
The Democrats are willing to kill people to beat Trump.
@George Wells:
Not “in the making”. The Dems/Leftists like you are trying to take over the f*cking country.
You get to vote in November. Do that. Don’t foment a faux race riot because you can’t find a real candidate.
You got Obama. I get Trump. You think we’re sheep. I thought you fucking idiots who sucked on Obama’s knob where sheep, too. I waited 8 years. You get to wait, too.
Vote. Don’t commit coups using information monopolies that lie. That’s evil.
@George Wells: You, of course, miss or actively ignore the point. That ship has sailed. The left-wing pogrom of protests, riots and looting not only erased any benefit derived from the economically crushing shutdown, but has made further efforts absolutely pointless. In addition, it shows the left never really subscribed to the notion of masks and distancing to control the spread of the virus, but more as a means to damage the economy so Trump can’t continue to celebrate his tremendous accomplishments.
Who are “Trump’s victims”?
@Deplorable Me:
“Protesting” is a right every American has.
“Rioting” and “Looting” are crimes against everything American and SHOULD be aggressively stopped as soon as they start. Unfortunately, the more aggressive the remedial action, the more lawlessly the mob responds, and I see no solution on the ground in front of that problem. That doesn’t mean that I give up looking for one.
Your solution is to vote out every Democrat, but even if that WOULD fix the problem, it would take more time to accomplish than we have before us, and in the mean time, the angry mob could effectively dismantle everything and deposit us squarely in a state of profound anarchy. Depending on lawful citizens armed with their home-kept weapons to take law enforcement into their own hands would precipitate essentially the same anarchy. There isn’t the thickness of an angel’s wing of difference between enacting a bad solution and doing none, since each takes us to exactly the same place. I’m not willing to go there in either case, so I’m still looking for something that will make a lasting peace. But as long as some people aren’t looking for it above all else, we will never achieve peace.
Look at how Nathan Blue, an occasional “friend” of mine, waxes profane in his last post. Do you think “peace” is something he is really interested in, or is he simply out to exercise his potty mouth in public?
@George Wells:
Lawlessness should be met with the law. If rioters and looters are met with overwhelming force, it WILL end. Destruction of public and private property for the sake of a tantrum has been tolerated for too long; it only means that it will require MORE force to deliver the message it will not be tolerated.
By the way, living your life is ALSO a right. No additional “rights” are bestowed simply because one chooses to be a pawn of a political party.
It WOULD solve the problem because these incompetent, amoral, America-hating Democrats are the SOURCE of the problem. Following the legal process always takes longer than the fascist use of political violence. You simply have to decide which method you prefer.
Well, this is where the Democrat party is leading us.
I see nothing profane in Nathan’s citations. I see frustration in left wing hypocrisy. Maybe you should address his questions.
@Deplorable Me:
I agree. But doing it that way has lost favor because it hasn’t ever been done consistently. Inconsistency teaches children to constantly test the system to find out when the rules apply and when they do not.
If you find nothing profane in Nathan’s suggestion that I fellate Obama, you have a more liberal definition of profanity than I do.
@George Wells:
I’m not afraid of using a few fucking “F” bombs, George, if it gets the point across. Your understanding of race in America is wrong, and a lot of people are going to get killed….have already been killed…this systematic hoax of systematic racism.
The “peace” was maintained by the police which is now being hobbled or outright dismantled.
The “peace” has been ended by domestic terrorists (BLM and Antifa) and the Democratic Party.
We had peace, now we have rampant lawlessness and the destruction of those who are there to keep the peace…you know, Peace Officers.
The situation in America is that I CAN’T exercise my right to have my own opinions and voice them without getting fired, marginalized, beaten, or even killed.
You say “peace”, but when I watch the Dems kneeling and BLM/Antifa saying “fuck” cops and rioting, I kinda think they mean that other thing.
Don’t blame this on me. I’m interested in keeping the USA the Constitutional Republic it is. I’m interested in not getting killed because I’m not a Dem/Leftist.
Your invocation of “peace” isn’t even relevant to the discussion.
I want peace. They don’t. At some point their movement shows up at my doorstep and I have to make a fucking decision.
And you know we’re friends, George. We can agree to disagree. I’ll admit much of piss and vinegar isn’t directed at you, but at the Left and this issue of using race to take power. I am indeed sorry if I’ve offended you. But I know you can take it and dish it out, so that makes you a good man.
@George Wells:
More of my thoughts on Leftists in general. You’ve always been more objective, so once again I offer an apology.
@Nathan Blue:
Accepted.
You might notice that I attempt to remain civil in my FA communications and would hope to be accorded the same respect from those with whom I disagree, though here I rarely find myself on the receiving end of that Golden Rule.
Legal challenges to the Trump rally in Tulsa have all lost.
Now, the Mayor of Tulsa has lifted the curfew for Trump supporters in line for one of the 19,000 seats inside.
Whether or not at risk people attend is up to them.
This rally is not mandatory.
It is voluntary.
Masks and hand sanitizer are being handed out to all attendees.
No one will be allowed to enter if he/she is running a fever as their temperatures will be taken before entry.
99 years ago something violent happened near there.
But, look at your own towns and cities.
I bet something violent happened in them even more recently.
@Nan G:
Cities and states that were distant from the main arteries of international circulation remained for some months mercifully spared from the suffering and death brought on by the coronavirus. That respite gave their citizens a false sense of safety, immunity, or whatever else lulled them into their current complacency as the virus wrecked havoc in the more immediately connected population centers.
But now, those initially spared places are making up for lost time. Their people believed Trump when he announced that this virus would quickly disappear, and they take as false news any reports to the contrary. And they will retain their denial, ignoring the now-rising numbers of infections and deaths, perhaps out of a sense of guilt over their complicity in those same deaths. After all, a couple hundred thousand dead Americans are just a drop in a vary large bucket. You just have to hope that there is no profoundly morbid delayed consequence of COVID-19 infection, as such a phenomenon could devastate both our economy AND our population.
@George Wells: Enforcement needs to be MADE consistent. You have it right, left wing punks know where to cause trouble and where they will get away with lawlessness and that is the fault of weak Democrats.
Maybe you need to be specific about WHICH post.
@Deplorable Me:
My #18 answered your #17.
Your #24 does not ask a question.
Sorry.
@George Wells: In regards to Nathan Blue’s remarks, I meant.
@George Wells:
I agree you should be treated better by most on FA. I also agree that you seem to slip into standard Left-wing hysteria, and coupled with my real frustration with current events, makes for a f-word rich environment…*laughs* But we’re good. Respect accorded.
I am very concerned with things in our country. A statue of George Washington was torn down in Portland.
This was the caption from the guy posting the pics:
How did we get to this level of ignorance?
Please note he said “no peace”. This is on the Left, not people like me.
@Deplorable Me:
His comment was in post #13, where he said:
That was unnecessary, and he apologized.
@Nathan Blue:
I agree that this anarchy is a dangerous problem. A statue of a conquistador was pulled down somewhere, I read, and there is no end to how many greatly accomplished figures in History would have pissed off someone in the course of doing what they did. People should live with that. Despicable Me points out that the fact that some people are gay offends some other people. Does that mean that no statue of a gay person should ever be erected? I have no objection to a statue of Robert E. Lee, though I can understand that his legacy is disturbing to some people, and perhaps his statue should not remain in so celebrated a location as to send the message that his support of slavery is also celebrated by implication. Surely some sort of compromise in such cases is possible?
@George Wells:
The primary problem I have with you is you tend to render other people’s thoughts into what you want them to be. That was never what I said. So, deduct some respect points.
@Deplorable Me:
You pointed it out by implication. I did not quote you directly, because your implication, while not allowing a quote, required identification.
Was it NOT you who explained to me how gay people, by the mere fact of their sexuality, could offend other workers, and that such offense was actionable by Human Resources?
You brought that to my attention, remember? So what did I misstate?
@George Wells: No, I pointed out that if people did things that someone considered offensive, they could be reported to HR and possibly fired. I CLEARLY pointed out this applied as much to hetero people as well as anyone else. But, for some, nothing around them exists unless it relates to their particular interest group.
@Deplorable Me:
Well, then, I guess that I’m not seeing your point, because if everybody is doing it and it’s bad no matter who is doing it, why are you complaining about it to me?
@George Wells: Really trying to turn YOUR original point of, “Poor me, I’m gay and everyone is mean to me because I’m gay.” around, aren’t you?
@George Wells: You misstate everything Georgie,
Its been months since the last Trump rally at that time Fauchi was lying and saying masks were ineffective even dangerous because it gave false security, he admits he lied so healthcare workers would get the masks. unforgiveable not to provide accurate concise information.
I wouldnt fret about population with well over 90 % survival rate of those with symptoms most dont even know they are infected. Since that is the case and has been since the germ was released as early as August of last year to sit and shiver in our homes only getting supplies from China (Walmarts and Amazon)and not opening our own manufacturing is totally mindless.
We can take the NE USA as a caution, protect our elderly and frail from murderous policies of democrats.
@Deplorable Me:
Don’t know where that came from.
I got gay marriage, and then the Bostick case Gorsuch wrote the decision for was icing on the cake. So I’ve won way more than I ever hoped to see in my lifetime. Nothing “poor” about that.
And I’ve never really cared that Retire05 and Co. get pissy with me. If I did, I wouldn’t come here and take the abuse y’all love to heap my way.
You help me love where I am all the more, since you are not here, and we can all walk away from this whenever we like.
@George Wells: Frankly, I don’t know where it comes from either… but YOU brought it up.
@Deplorable Me:
As in where did:
come from, since I have never made that complaint.
Like I said, I’m happy AND gay!
@George Wells: So, there’s no need for extra protections and “rights” for LGBT then. Fine.
June 20, 2020 – 6 Trump campaign members in Tulsa test positive for the coronavirus ahead of rally
They’re dodging the point. The point being that no one will be testing any of the estimated 15 to 19 thousand closely packed rally attendees.
@Greg: Your looting, rioting pogroms made worrying about the spread of the virus a moot point.
@Deplorable Me:
There won’t be when it becomes a perfect world. Are we there yet?
Awwww, too bad.
So we DO need protections for people who would otherwise be persecuted unfairly.
Isn’t that basically what ALL laws seek to do?
If there wasn’t a law that punished murder, do you think that people wouldn’t murder each other over every trivial disagreement?
When people won’t do the right thing without legal encouragement, they have to be convinced to do so under the threat of legal punishment.
The only thing that the Bostick decision decided was that gay people can now sue employers for firing them for being gay. That right was concluded as a consequence of the text of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There was no “legislating,” no mention of fines, jail time or any other punishment guidelines to fit the crime. Just a right to seek damages, based on a plain-English reading of that act of Congress. Without that decision, gays had nothing but the absurdity of their predicament to point at, and the law doesn’t accept absurd predicaments as justification for legal action.
I retired in 1996. The law doesn’t affect me. The marriage decision did, but the Bostick decision is the more important of the two. Because of it, gays will have a legal status more in line with other minorities that would otherwise be subject to discrimination at will. And since you made the very correct observation that people should be judged on how well they do their jobs instead of who they love or the color of their skin, you should celebrate this step in the right direction toward that goal.
Peter Navaro, spouting lunatic conspiracy theory: The Chinese hid the virus, they created the virus, and they sent hundred of thousands of Chinese nationals to the United States to spread it. The Chinese, he goes on to say, killed over 100,000 Americans.
They’re totally incompetent, they’re bat shit crazy, and they’ve been put in positions of power and authority where their craziness can be extraordinarily dangerous. We’ve got to get rid of these idiots. Ejecting them from office should be considered a national health and safety priority by every rational voter.
@Greg: Well, that is actually all factual. That’s what happened. And the Democrats helped them.
@George Wells:
Have you looked at college acceptance and scholarships lately?
I hope your minority just wants equal treatment not extras.
Doesnt so far seem to be the case.
@kitt:
You have me at a disadvantage. I haven’t a clue what you are calling my attention to.
If it has something to do with college admissions, is there a case before a court somewhere that I should be aware of?
The Bostick case just decided was really a very simple example of cut-and-dry employment discrimination against gay and trans employees who had done their jobs quite well. So I am at a loss concerning what “extras” you may believe they sought, as I saw them only asking for equal treatment.
“Equality” means virtually nothing if you attach conditions to it that exclude entire classes of citizens. Yet historically, we have done just that with Biblically sponsored excuses for not giving Blacks, women and gays the same rights that straight White males have enjoyed for millennia, and in our United States, with its proud statements of all men being created equal, it has taken an embarrassingly long time to correct some of those inequities in our laws.
That is what I was referring to.
If you are hinting at an attack on religious freedom, remember that Gorsuch specifically alluded to those fears, saying that religious issues were independent of the Bostic employment decision (as religion did not enter into the arguments at hand) and if they ever DID come before the Court, they would be dealt with on their own merits. Justice Kennedy promised the same thing when Justice Scalia raised the specter of a “slippery slope” after the “Same-Sex Marriage” decision.
That said, recall that since the Bible discussed at least in passing the proper treatment of slaves, it has long been inferred that this was and still is scriptural justification for discriminating against previously enslaved races, opening up the prospect of that continued discrimination being a right of religious freedom.
It doesn’t work that way.
We don’t view slaves who sought their freedom to have wanted “extras,” now do we?
Similarly, the Old Testament proscriptions against homosexuality have long been at the root of our Judeo-Christian justification of discrimination against gays, but that, too, has now been up-ended.
Sure, as one oppressed minority gains its equality, the oppressor loses what was never rightfully his. That’s not the same as “extras.”
Biblically sponsored ?
Anyway I dont know of any people ever fired at anywhere I worked for being gay. I have seen really stupid comments made to those suspected, seems to be in mostly male dominated work places. Funny when I told the worst of them them they were real safe cause they were not cute enough for another guy to be even slightly interested. The victim was a very nice guy that picked up a job because his business wasnt thriving.
I saw nothing wrong with the court ruling. Having to specify every possible social misfit and give them victim class how exhausting.
@kitt:
Good.
That pretty much means that you are OK with protecting the employment rights of about 10 million Americans.
Before the Court decision last week, it was open season on those folks’ jobs if an employed felt like screwing with them.
Were they what you call “social misfits?”
That term suggests a nasty bit of blond-haired-blue-eyed heterosexual Christian Arian Master-race preference when handing out civil rights, doesn’t it?
Just wondering…
Wouldn’t it be more humane if you just exterminated people who have a high probability of ending up being “social misfits”? Because their lives will be miserable if you exclude them from equal treatment just because they are in one minority or another that you would become exhausted giving equal rights to.
(That’s the “Tyranny-of-the-majority” scenario, in case you missed that.)
Wouldn’t it be better if our fine nation sought to treat EVERYONE by uniform application of THE GOLDEN RULE?
@George Wells: You make it so much more complex than meant, we now have people with clinical lycanthropy, if a person thinking themselves a dog insisted on sniffing your ass everytime you greeted wouldnt that be a workplace disruption, should those physically attracted to children be protected from being fired from daycare settings?Should womens sports be protected from birth assigned males joining team
Do we need to add all these misfits to the courts rulings?
mis·fit
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noun: misfit; plural noun: misfits
a person whose behavior or attitude sets them apart from others in an uncomfortably conspicuous way.
I have brown eyes the other part of your poorly aimed insult is nothing but liberal psychobabble with no real life application, apart from a weak attempt at controlling language.
@kitt:
You’re wasting your time. How can you argue with a person who has these opinions:
You see, immoral people find excuses for their immorality by claiming that everyone else is (really) immoral, as well
and
Of course, in that case, in a representative republic, you have to rely on hoping that those in control of making laws are not oppressive. Not to mention that every dictator in history had the same opinion that people had to be convinced to do what was right at the threat of “legal” punishment because they were so much smarter than the people they governed.
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There was a lot wrong with it. The meaning of a word was bastardized in order to reach the decision that was made, just as the left is trying to bastardize the First and Second Amendments.
Stop wasting your time and quit feeding the troll.